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Varg Vikernes To Be Released From Prison
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After his four applications for parole were denied, Varg Vikernes (Count Grishnackh) formerly of Burzum was finally told he will be released from prison after 16 years incarcerated.
Vikerenes was serving a 23-year sentence for the murder of Oystein Aarseth (aka Euronymous), guitarist of Mayhem and owner of Deathlike Silence Productions record label that Burzum was signed to. Varg was also convicted for setting fire to three churches.
Varg says that he is "...ready for society..." and has been for many years. He told Dagbladet newspaper, "I have learned from my mistakes and become older. Now I just want to be together with my family...I have barely seen my [18-month old] son since he came into the world. Even though I hear his voice on the phone almost every day, it is very tough to not be present while he is growing up." Varg regularly left the prison for the past couple of years to visit his mother, wife, 16-year-old daughter and young son in Tromso, Norway, the town where the prison is located.
While some, like the Justice Ministry, fear that he will not be able to adjust to life on the outside, Vikerenes said, "I look forward [to] the day that I could work on my farm, create music, write books and be with my family around the clock---and live a normal life." When asked by VG newspaper about if a "normal life" involves communication with Neo-Nazi groups he formerly endorsed, Vikernes said he "...[hasn't] been in contact with them for a long time."
Varg may have been paroled earlier, but was denied the second time he applied because the Justice Ministry claimed he escaped prison in 2003.
Varg will join his family in Bo, Norway, where he recently purchased a farm. Once he has been released, he is required to check in with the authorities every two weeks, and then after some time, every month.
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6. writes:
I wouldn't call em a hero. Either way, he's done his time, This is shocking news! I jerked back when I saw his picture there haha. I've been wondering when he would be released for awhile now...hopefully he won't do anything to get himself locked up again.
P,S. Varg, grow your hair out again!!!
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I read somewhere a while ago that varg has said that when he gets released he is going to move into a secluded area, away from people, and that he will not be making any more black metal albums. If this is true i dont know, but if he doesnt want to be killed this would be a very good plan. I love burzum but i hate that he murdered euronymous and burned churches. There are a lot of mayhem fans that hate varg and if he is seen in public someone will beat him up or kill him unfortunately.
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I was just reading about him and Euronymous, as far as I can tell they're both as bad as each other. I have no sympathy for either.
Apparantly when he gets released he's going to write some books though he said he might use an assumed name and he's going to do some more Burzum albums. He said that he doesn't want to do any more Black Metal albums but they probably will be Black Metal since he doesn't know how to do anything else.
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14. writes:
To post 5, this is actually what they sing about with black metal, or is it not? He actually just went out and acted upon his lyrics in my opinion. I can't remember, but is Mayhem the band where many of the original members ended up killing each other? Like the singer killed the guitarist...or something like that. I remember hearing about it from my guitar teacher.
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17. writes:
IWABO, Varg was the bassist for Mayhem for a little while if I'm right and is in prison for killing the guitarist Euronymous. Their singer, Dead, lived up to his name and killed himself where the guitarist who Varg killed took pictures of the corpse and according to folklore made a necklace out of bits of his corpse.
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19. writes:
And then was promptly put in jail for 16 years. Let's not forget that. I've listened to some of his music, more Burzum than anything else, and read about him and the circumstances leading up to his encarceration. Throughout it all though, all I could really think about was
"This guy lost almost a quarter of his life from doing dumb sh**."
I honestly believe that's the message one should take from all this. If he decides to live the rest of his life peacefully and in relative obscurity, maybe that's what he learned as well.
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23. writes:
Wow big news!!
MetalFan420: If you knew anything about black metal then you'd know how important he is.
dontbombme: As in this article and more recent places he's said he will continue making music.
Diamond Oz says: "I was just reading about him and Euronymous, as far as I can tell they're both as bad as each other." - This is such a good point, ever read an Euronymous interview people?
IWrestledABearOnce: *facepalm*, you need a black metal 101.
Finally! Hope Varg continues to make more of the genre defying earth shatteringly bleak music that was Burzum. Peace.
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26. writes:
Parole is usually what happens when you get released from a prison term. You have to check in when you are told, usually accompanied by drug or alcohol testing and an interview. After a certain amount of time decided upon by a judge, the meetings are fewer until you are no longer required by law to have them. You didn't think they just pat you on the back and send you off into the world, did you?
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32. writes:
mmhmm ya,i thought murdering people to become a hero was left back in the medieval times... how is this guy a hero? he murdered an innocent co-worker and for what reason? because he didn't believe in Satan? lol
oh, but the burning churches thing is cool. i think everyone should do that haha!
Now listening to: Impending Disaster - DevilDriver
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you guys are talking copious amounts of sh** about a man you know nothing about. go read the actual story and make a judgement. He killed Euronymous because he had told many of his closest friends that he had plans to abduct Varg and torture him to death in the woods whilst video taping the whole event. When Varg went to Euronymous' home to sign a contract he confronted him about what he was up to regarding plotting to kill Varg. He panicked and attacked Varg and as he was running for a knife in the kitchen Varg stabbed him. After a long altercation Varg finally got him down and stabbed him through his skull.
http://www.burzum.org/eng/biography.shtml
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34. writes:
"If we have a positive relationship to our homeland, to our blood, to our race, to our religion and to our culture we will not destroy any of this with modern "civilization" (id est capitalism, materialism, Judeo-Christianity, pollution, urbanization, race mixing, Americanization, socialism, globalization, et cetera). The "nazi ghost" has scared millions of Europeans from caring about their blood and homeland for sixty years now, and it is about time we banish this ghost and again start to think and care about the things that (whether we like it or not) are important to us."
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Yep he definately sounds like a cold blooded murdering satanist...
35. writes:
First of Kali...you are a f***ing a$$hole. EVEN MAKING A STATEMENT LIKE THAT IS FOOLISH, YOU CANT ON THE ONE HAND SAY ITS BAD TO MURDER SOMEONE THEN SAY YOU WOULD DO IT YOURSELF....GO DO IT p***y...YOU HAVE NO BALLS....ALL f***ING TALK! Secondly, Euronymous got what he deserved for being a f***ing douchebag, and Third the real story behind the murder was on television recently and Varg may have actually been defending himself. There was a fight between the two and of course the winner of the fight goes to jail....and for all you haters out there, you are not metal...you are p***ies...go listen to more slipknot and join PETA you f***ing posers!
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36. writes:
Varg killed him out of self defence. Euronymous had been planning amongst his peers to abduct Varg and take him out to the woods and torture him to death whilst video taping the whole thing. But alas, people just eat up whatever the media feeds them..
http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/a_burzum_story01.shtml
http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/a_burzum_story02.shtml
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37. writes:
yeah Tim I agree, I tried to post the links to burzums website but for some reason this site is blocking the links? People should go read Varg's account of the events and actually pay attention to what he's saying. The killing was not pre-meditated and occurred out of self-defense.
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46. writes:
Yeah, thats kinda obvious lol, twuld be strange if Kali did have balls...
Anyways, if only Jsin was still here, he could probably offer the most accurate statements of anyone. I don't much care for either of them, Varg was a strange attention wanting dude, but Euronymous was not much better.
I got my info from Satan rir media by the way, pretty good documentary
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56. writes:
f*** that. this is why I hate the justice system.
Varg should rot. The whole sentence. and then some. He only had 23 years sentenced anyway, unless they added time for the church burnings; but none of that matters, because, despite escaping prison at one point, he's suddenly a "reformed individual".
I dont care what he's contributed to music or blcak metal or anything, f*** this guy.
and Kali has huge balls, I've seen them; they're twice the size of my ego, so they're f***in HUUUGEEEE.
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I think one thing people are missing in the Varg/Euronymous debate is that they pretty much lived outside of normality, they had their own rules, culture. Deserving to live, jail, justice etc. all these things had different meanings to the western ones. Much like the animal world differs from our with respect to the right to kill and defend, so it. It just happens Varg couldn't escape our idea of justice.
IWrestledABearOnce: Lyrically Burzum/Varg did not deal with killing, or violence like death metal does. For example, from Hvis Lyset Tar Oss (dealing with the final emptiness of Christianity as his ancestors were slaughtered or converted)
"Between misty vales
Between gloomy mountains
Under gray clouds
In the black night
On a proud horse
In black clothes
Strong weapons at hand
The infinity with dead trees
An eternity of cold
Over stone and wood
In the shadows
Out from the mist
Out from darkness
Out from the big shadows of the mountain
The castle of the dream...
So ends the ride
That lasted a lifetime
For the master goes (in the castle of the dream)"
The other reason I responded to your post is that the story of Mahem and Burzum is fundamental knowledge for anyone who even knows the word black metal, it's like if a Christian came up to you and went "Jesus? Isn't he that guy that got fed to the lions or something? And like all the Jews got nailed on crosses? I remember hearing about it from my Sunday school teacher" - lol, I had fun just writing that.
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Vikernes did change his story a lot of times. first euronymous fell on a lampshade and managed to get some 20 stab wounds in his back, managed to get up and fall down 3 flights of steps, and the knife embedded in his skull was because he tripped and fell in the kitchin!
Then...Euro plotted to kill him, so he goes to sign a contract, brings up the rumor he heard, euronymous runs for the kitchin (probably running to get a knife out of self defense, haha!), and gets stabbed multiple times, falls down 3 flights of stairs, and then varg imbeds the knife in his skull because euro's lifeless body made a gurgling noise that startled him.
Euronymous is a martyr for black metal. I'm not sure that he deserved to die, i didnt know him.
But i dont know Vikernes either, so its not my place to judge him.
Long live the cult of black metal, however.
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63. writes:
"Vikernes did change his story a lot of times. first euronymous fell on a lampshade and managed to get some 20 stab wounds in his back, managed to get up and fall down 3 flights of steps, and the knife embedded in his skull was because he tripped and fell in the kitchin!"
It's not very nice but I laughed my arse off at that! Reminded me of Family Guy when they're watching d*** Van Dyke.
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68. writes:
IN, the sentence was such because Norway is astonishingly liberal despite having such a Judeo-Christian religious system. I thing all of the little church burners are petty and ignorant. I say that not because I am a Christian, but just because it's dumb. Just my 2 pesos.
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69. writes:
Hey man I'm an Atheist and I agree with you, AP. I just think that f***er should be left to rot and die in jail. If you kill somebody for reasons such as why Varg killed, in my eyes you don't have a right to your own destiny. You decided it's going to be behind a set of bars.
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70. writes:
There are shorter jail sentences and parole for a reason, maybe you should look at the crime rate in Scandinavian countries and rehabilitation procedures before you judge. Compared to good ol' electric Texas, there's an obvious and proven difference.
*More facepalming at people calling Varg a Nazi*
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71. writes:
Hey man I'm an Atheist and I agree with you, AP. I just think that f***er should be left to rot and die in jail. If you kill somebody for reasons such as why Varg killed, in my eyes you don't have a right to your own destiny. You decided it's going to be behind a set of bars.
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I must have missed the reason for the murder. But in my opinion, they should've put a bullet in this guys head about 15 years ago.
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78. writes:
I'm late to the party since I can no longer get MU at work. Oddly I tested the waters and was able to get to Metal Hammer. What?! Maybe American I.T. teams aren't concerned with foreign music sites? Don't know.
Anyway, why does it seem like Black Metal has these crimes against others? While the members of other forms of metal seem to have crimes against themselves (typically drugs). I'm not pointing fingers at anyone or any genre, I'm just asking if this is just my perception or if others have it too? This is the first I heard of this case, but it follows very shortly on the heels of that Gorgoroth case.
P.S. Kid Rock punching Tommy Lee in the nose doesn't count as either metal or as a crime.
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and in response to Kali's latest post, I think that anyone who is a firm lover of the death penalty should also be a firm lover of the 'try-before-you-buy' philosophy.
It is not yours to decide upon the value of a persons life: even be it that that person has made irrevocable mistakes. Even be it that that person has zero chance of rehabilitation. The past is forgivable: the future is still foreign. You who would judge do not know the quirks of change and consequence.
Murder is against the law, yet the law can do murder? Gimme a goddamn kitkat, man.
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80. writes:
BoltThrower, it could be perhaps because Black Metal is one of the few genres out there that do not exist for fame or fun. It's not about snorting coke and drinking a bottle of whiskey before performing in front of a sold-out stadium full of screaming, head-banging fans. It is about the removal of systems (ie Christianity) in favour of cultural heritage (ie paganism), and often almost solely about this.
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82. writes:
When the "law" murders, it's really the community saying, "We don't want you alive anymore." When a person murders, it's a single individual attempting to state the same. I'm not saying one is better than the other and I'm probably as individualistic as there can be, but even I realize that man is a social creature. So there's a difference between a social creature saying, "I don't want this person alive" and the community saying, "WE don't want this person alive."
The community reserves the right to rid itself of its heinous members. This right does not transfer to the individual. But the community also has the obligation to ensure that they are correct before carrying out the ultimate punishment--death.
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83. writes:
Psythe, you might have hit on something I never considered. I've always thought of all forms of music as merely human entertainment. I never really thought it was an alter call. Even when I was a fan of Christian rock and metal, I always thought the alter calls at the end of the shows were very shallow and rang hollow.
If I read you right, are you saying that Black Metal has taken the Christian altar call to the next level and become a form of social propaganda?
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84. writes:
Psythe, I dis-agree. I am very much an eye for an eye. I could never accept a try before you buy mentality. If a person wants to live, then they should let others live too. If one is too stupid to think of the future the death penelty is simply Darwinism at work.
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86. writes:
I can't argue that but I don't think the church has had the power over life and death since the Inquisition except for small pockets of aberration like in the Salem trials. The American founders knew that fervor could overtake reason and so sought to put American law ABOVE religion and attempted to set up a barrier between the two.
The American experiment has been a triumph over religious zealotry and maybe uniquely found a way for people of all beliefs to live with each other peaceably. Lex Rex--Law is King: do as you will, just let others do the same.
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88. writes:
This is getting off topic but I can't help but respond: America as some sort of religious utopia? Are you kidding? Your country is still debating whether evolution should be taught in schools, where Christianity is practically a litmus test for presidency, where zealotry is still well in root - if I had to list countries where there has been a triumph over religious zealotry USA would not be on the list. Don't get me wrong, I consider anyone from the USA an ally and I'd quite like to visit some day, but the religious atmosphere doesn't seem very peaceful to me.
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89. writes:
well the dude should stay in prison to complete his prison term
i am confused
how can he be a hero for the black metal sceene
he did not do that much
and by the way is there still a real black metal sceene going on?
i dont know to me it was allover when bands like venom mercyfull fate witchfinder stept out of the lime light
to me killing in the name of black metal kind of stupid
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90. writes:
I have to chime in my 2¢ on the criminal justice front. I'm all for the death penalty in principle. But a little known fact is that is costs more to put someone to death in the US (all the appeals and legal costs) than to keep them alive - and possibly study them - for their entire life. So it's impractical. Second, there was a mention of deterrence above and it's been proven that deterrence does not work. In fact, if you're too aggressive with the death penalty it can have the opposite effect. Think rape is horrible? Want the death penalty? You'll have a lot more dead rape victims. People don't usually make the connection. Just some food for thought.
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norways prison system is one of the best in the world. they're prisons are 100% different from american prisons and focus more on rehabiltating the criminal than putting him in lockdown. where as american prison systems have turning in the a how you say "crime school" where criminals strengthen there criminal ties and abilties, norway focuses more on changing them from there ways. and a country with the lowest murder rate in the world probobly has a good idea about how to deal with prisoners seeing as none of the prisoners released come back a second time. if you watch sicko by michael moore in the special features he has footage of norways prison system. im sure that he's different now than he was then. 16 years is a long time, plus there are hardcore criminals in the US that serve less time for worse b/c they get paroled, and then skip out on there parole. Alot of us criminals and gangsta's take pride in the fact that they have warrant for their arrest. i think he'll be just fine.
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94. writes:
i agree with cynic on the subject of religion, USA is defintially got a problem with christianity overstepping its bounds in government. scandinavia is one of the most unreligious areas in the world and they have the best literacy rates, health care, and crime rates, where as the US which is like cynic said "where Christianity is practically a litmus test for presidency" and we have more crime and illiterate people than most developed countries and our healthcare system is Horrible and is set up to feed dollars to corporations.
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After thinking about it a bit further, it's my opinion that he's earned the right to be released. He's been in prison for sixteen years, he's missed out on alot of time with his child and wife which is a hell in and of itself. I've long time been a believer in paying your dues in prison and to be completely open about my beliefs, I've supported and indeed continue to support, the release of some of the most notorious prisoners in the world. I've believed for years that Charles Bronson, the man dubbed "The most dangerous man in Britain" should be released from prison (a little sidenote he's up for parole today and there's a film about him coming out on friday) because he's been in solitary confinement for thirty years and has never actually killed anybody, even when he hurt people it was by accident. In the past I have also defended Charles Manson, though nowadays I don't as much. That said, Manson is a very old man now and I believe he's done his time. Then again, he'll be the first to tell you that he feels more at home in prison, so probably best to keep him there for all parties concerned.
Varg murdered someone. There's no denying that. But as has been very well written by Lord Assenfroth, Norway's prison system is very different from Britain's or America's and he seems to genuinly want to settle down, further proof that the Norwegian system works I believe.
Regarding the death penalty, I don't strongly believe it works. I for one would rather die than rot in prison and as Deathbringer said, it's more expensive to kill someone anyway. I think the "eye for an eye" mentality is rarely the best method to put into practice.
I'll finish on a question. Does anybody here actually know Varg or knew Euronymous? It's wrong to wish death on a man with a young child he wants to look after and has served sixteen years in prison, would you not agree?
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96. writes:
i know one thing...i agree! and thanks for saying what i said was well written, im from the country so sometimes i sound pretty f***ing po-dunk.
and i also agree about the death penalty. its wrong. and plus what would you rather do: rot in a cell for the rest of your life with no freedoms and be surrounded by the worst of the worst - murders, rapists, and child molesters or would you rather die? i think id rather not live then to never have my freedoms EVER again. life in prison is cheaper, and harsher in my eyes.
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108. writes:
Varg went to Euron's house to sign a contract that Euron sent him. He went there to sign the contract and leave Euron with no excuses to contact him ever again. Varg had heard rumors that Euron wanted him dead so naturally he asked Euron about his ideas when he got there. Instead of facing Varg, Euron just ran and tried to grab a knife. Varg stabbed him in the shoulder and finally chased him down and stabbed him through his skull with a dull blade. If he was really that sick and twisted wouldn't he have brought a SHARP knife and slit him ear to ear? And maybe planned the thing out a little better as opposed to finally killing him in the stairway of an appartment building for witnesses to see?! Get real!
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if people are doing this in their own band they should not f***ing make music at all. the #1 priority in having a band is having your sh** together, and an emphasis on mentally together, i cannot stress this enough. but i love metal, almost all types of heavy sh**. yeah he may be a black metal hero, but the guy is , oh, how do we say in the music industry, "nucking futs". i mean he killed off a member, and then they got to killing each other, one thing led to anther, they almost all died. i can see he probably changed, prison does that to most people
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110. writes:
that was a god damn interesting thread. i dont really see how a man could be forced to kill a FRIEND. even if euronomous (however you spell it) did talk sh** behind his back, and about the worst nightmare you can possibly imagine (tortured and being recorded for entertainment later), there is no way i could drive a knife into the skull of another human being. f*** that. what makes you so much better then the other guy (supposedly) wanting to kill you?
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androphobic ur right. i mean i could probably maybe kill someone under certain circumstances, but to deal with the pressure and guilt afterward, the thought of taking away another life, just like mine. thats why bands should have their sh** together. f*** it. ill stick to getting high and jammin heavy sh**
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115. writes:
Finally he is free!!! Now he can write some decent music. They would not give him a guitar in prision because he would make "unhappy music". So they gave him a keyboard to make "happy music". You can still make p***ed off music on a key board. He did his time let the dude be.
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whitey cannabis - you don't seem to understand the situation at all. Varg wasn't much of a band member, he was doing his own stuff at the time. There were many issues.
But besides that they aren't in it in the way you think as a band - more of them worked by themselves than not. Lrn2research just a bit more
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118. writes:
whitey cannabis writes - "sorry if i offended any true diehard fans. but all the majorly successful bands have NEVER gotten themselves into this sh**"
How does that even make sense? You think Burzum and Mayhem we're trying to be big and successful? Lol. And if you just meant successful within metal, well they've pretty much achieved that haven't they?
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120. writes:
what does him being a neo nazi have anything to do with the fact that he should stay in prison. freedom of speech people. If you all get that antsy because someone says that they hate jews then you should probably really relax. there is hatred in the world, and the sooner you sensitive folks get over that fact, the better off this world will be. Racism is not a crime. People believe what they believe and you can't take that away from people. Talk all you want.
what matters is that the norwegian government believes that Varg is ready to return to the outside world. How about any of you sh**dribbling f***tards spend 16 years in jail? I'm not defending Varg, I'm stating the obvious. I like mayhem's music more, but i do like a little bit of Burzum as well.
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123. writes:
i doubt anyone will beat this dude on a regular basis he f***ing brutally murder someone and if u ask me thats the most black metal it gets without blazing up a church. but in fact he did that so why dont you try to beat his a$$ and im sure he will skin you alive
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126. writes:
Stabbing someone in the back doesn't make you tough or scary "guy". If you're going to fight someone you should man up and take them head on. So if he didn't stab him head on maybe it'd be different.
But I'm not scared of the drug dealers in my town and some of them have done worse sh** than Varg.
Also, if you believe in "eye for an eye" what makes you any better than the person you want to punish?
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127. writes:
varg should shoot himself in the face and then attila or necrobutcher should take a photo and put it on the next mayhem cover, in this way he could be of any use for the metal comunity and black metal culture,
His music sucks, I mean I anjoy burzum from time to tie but the sh** he has done in prison is just rubbish
and if I say "this fooking nazi shouls rot in prison" I emphasize that i would like him to stay there and nazi just expresses how bad as a person he is not that i would put all the nazis in prison :P
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131. writes:
Im glad to see many have come out so eloquently like Cynic, i have alot of hatred in my heart and cannot express myself as well as him, blackthecursedsun or dark funeral and a few others that truly understand the truth......but they prove my point for me without me having to have a swearfest against you idiots...thus i win and the truth always wins.
You can tell the difference between real logic and just spiteful bastards that want him to rot in jail, or die or kill himself....
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I know, I know. Now I gotta read a post about how I'm gay, he f***ed my mother, some uncomfortable details about my gay lifestyle followed by insinuations of paternal incest, then a racist rant ending with,
"You know I'm right".
Sorry, man. Didn't mean to subject all of you once again. My mistake. Next time I won't feed the troll.
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143. writes:
wiclo - Indeed Lita Ford is a great second choice \m/
However, the ultimate would be a fivesome with the band Drain sth ..!!
A game of Simon Says would be intense.... if only my name was Simon;-)
" Holy sh**! Cruor! Where have you been man?! "
I'll second that..!!
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148. writes:
This guy reminds me of a Charlie Manson type. However, he's not in America so they are letting him out of prison. Not a good idea. He won't be able to adapt to society because he still believes that stuff that got him there. You just don't forget about murdering your friend after 16 years. He will mess up, just you watch. Something wierd will happen with this!
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150. writes:
I still don't believe that he'll do anything bad. I doubt he'll get involved in any dangerous groups again and I'm sure he doesn't wanna go back inside after so long. Some people never truely get accustomed to the prison lifestyle and others like Manson prefer it.
Free Charles Bronson!
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152. writes:
i think varg has changed. its society that hasn't in my opinion. always wanting to condemn something or contradict something. when a murderer vows his changed ways, theres always a mass of people saying he is full of sh**. what can we do about it? nothing. its the way of the world.
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sometimes the way of the world is being so quick to the jump, or the fact that they always assume the worst. or maybe that they just assume what goes on in their own head. in some cases u have to excuse the human nature. although what he did was a little wacko, on both of their parts
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154. writes:
well im sure stranger things has happened. human nature also includes forgiveness does it not? if human nature involves damnation and persecution along side discrimintaion, how is change so absurd? its what the prison system is for is it not? f***ing stupid. but dying from a knife to the head is better then dying from 50 hours of a computer game. hahah (really happened to a guy in china)
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i think the logical side of this conversation has hit this nail right on the head. that the nazis are pretty much the latest witch hunt for the rest of the world, for apperently if ur a nazi u are the spawn of satan.... and that america IS dominated by the christians, so we cant have things like, a lower drinking age, gay marriage, stem cells, abortion, or any other things that arent really a big deal but all these conservatives gotta b**** about everything. and for those wishing varg death and misfortune, u dont know him, and wishing him dead makes u as bad as him, so dont. and i disagree with the nazi philosophy tainting our religion and our music. even if varg is/was a nazi, doesnt mean that prison doesnt change a man. i mean, 16 YEARS! u hosers try being away from ur kid for 16 years, that'd change me.... but i think varg has done his time and all we can do is hope that he turns over a new leaf, but if he doesnt, its still kinda metal. and odin see's fit to put his destiny in his hands once more, its all on him now.
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Sixteen years imprisonment is an awfully long time and I hope that this musician will keep to his word of wanting to do something more with his life that he is now a "free man" spending time with his beloved family and hopefully his close friends are not into a life of mischief/crime 'cause that will only lead him right back to prison. Sorry, to hear about a vital life (the Mayhem music artist taken away) for "all" lives are vital rather we have the same Faith or not...'who knows what drove the young musician Burzum at that time to take action into his own hands/it was said he reacted in defense for his own life when their quarreling went way out of hand. As for the Church burnings that's pretty "serious" too: arson is no joke & a innocent by standand could of been trapped in the blaze/the burning of churches is not the answer to ending a particular Religion(s) because those sacred words are held in your heart not in a building. Those buildings that were built were old Ancient Nordic foundations that's heavy...'heart warmingly built by the Pagans, it is said. So it is sad that such treasure is not longer there but it was said that some of those old Ancient foundations are being built, again. With all this said sincerely hope that Burzam learnt by his tragic mistakes and take "live" seriously for himself & those around him every breath is precious rather we have the same beliefs or not. Peace & the best to his new found life with his wife and children, parents, friends, etc.,. and new music endeavors. Cheers!
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166. writes:
Last I checked DK, gay marriage, stem cells, and abortion were all legal. While I abhore and don't condone these things, they are legal. As far as the drinking thing, if you are of legal military age, you should be able to imbibe. Not a drinker anymore, but I still feel that way. While abortion is murder, it is ultimately the woman's choice, but, after a certain time frame, they should be illegal. Partial birth abortions are just sadistic and wrong.
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" Holy sh**! Cruor! Where have you been man?! "
I'll second that..!!
I have been busy. Been working 30+ hours a week plus 15 additional hours in school. How is everyone here on MU?
Lol the last thing the threads on this site should get into are politics and social issues/controversies and about 50% of this thread has pretty much been that.
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168. writes:
"gay marriage, stem cells, and abortion were all legal. While I abhore and don't condone these things, they are legal"
SIGH. How hard are you clamping that third eye shut, man? I agree with your further points regarding abortion, but ain't nothin wrong with the other two. Forget the details and learn to love, brother.
*apologises for starting a religious argument (believe me, I've had enough of them too)
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170. writes:
Abortion is fine up to a point. Until a particular stage, the 'fetus' is nothing but cells multiplying. When it starts developing a brain and taking human-like shape etc, then by that stage the 'fetus' is a baby, and the pregnancy shouldnt be terminated. Matter of opinion, of course. And I havnt done any research into it exactly, so I don't know how far through the gestation period it is that the cells become something more life-like, if you see what I mean. I think the mother deserves to have a choice, but if she leaves it too late, she forfeits that privilege.
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Have you seen some of the dumb broads like Britney Spears lately? Do you really think they deserve a choice? Men should have rights in these cases as well, women are just walking incubators and should have more respect for there bodies by not putting themselves in the position in the first place t have to make a choice. Yeah yeah yeah, i know, but what about rape Tim?
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175. writes:
"women are just walking incubators and should have more respect for there bodies by not putting themselves in the position in the first place t have to make a choice."
I hope you never have a daughter. :/ I can't imagine you'd be able to possess a woman to create a daughter to begin with.
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Psythe, these are just my values brother, nothing more. Thanks for the hook-up on the abortion thing. For the first 9 weeks, you have the same appearance as most animals in the animal kingdom, but at 10 weeks, human features are discernible. For me, that should be the cut-off. Stem-cell research for me has it's pros and cons. I agree that the research benefits would be outrageous though.
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179. writes:
Fine, since this probably isnt going away I will put my 2 cents on the issues. Psythe earlier said "It is not yours to decide upon the value of a persons life" I will modify it so it is relevent to abortion. It is not anyones right to decide when the value of someones life begins. That really is my only problem with abortion is that it is not up to anyone, much less the government, to decide when anyone's life actually starts and is worth saving. I don't have any kind of problem with stem cells and all that seeing how it can save lives one day, and I thought that was a good thing. I really dont have any kind of opinion on gay marriage, but I will say if they are happy then let em live.
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Christian !!!!! i dont think he's Christian he was a Neo-Nazi set fire to three churches killed his band member WTF u call his man christain he was a hero when he burn down a church or two but thats it he should have stoped from there i say he whould be a kool person to meet, chil and have a beer with.
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194. writes:
Meh, even if it's after ten weeks it's still abortion. In my opinion your with it or against it. No fence sitting with that issue.
Although I could easily see it getting out of hand to the point where they have found some amazing use for fetuses and harvesting them like corn. That's pretty far out their I know, but everyone here knows how the human race loves to abuse privilege.
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I didnt say that abortion stem cells and gay marriage was illegal, im just saying its barely legal. for a whole lotta ppl are against it. although i stand firmly behind all of them. and AP1 u have a very good point, and although ur position is different then mine i still respect it. and abortion is just totally metal.
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Cynic--I never said that America was a religious utopia, just that all the divisions and faiths have found some way to live together without any one of them being able to takeover and persecute the others.
And your litmus test is merely political propaganda. None of the presidents really believe any of that, they just know that half of the electorate is easily swayed into voting for them after seeing them walk out of a church with a bible that they've likely never even read.
The debate on evolution in the schools is really an extraneous problem of government education. Once the populace decides that it's government's job to educate, every taxpayer starts arguing what should be taught. If the taxpaying electorate funds the education, they have every right to say what should be taught. And if over half of them want to bury the truth of evolution, they have that right since they are the ones funding it. The real question becomes, why must education be a government enterprise? The ideal would be private schools proposing curriculum and then students and parents choosing from a plethora of varying ideas and essentially voting with their dollars. The problem is that too many "Americans" have decided that the answer lies with government and not personal freedom.
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"The debate on evolution in the schools is really an extraneous problem of government education. Once the populace decides that it's government's job to educate, every taxpayer starts arguing what should be taught. If the taxpaying electorate funds the education, they have every right to say what should be taught. And if over half of them want to bury the truth of evolution, they have that right since they are the ones funding it. The real question becomes, why must education be a government enterprise? The ideal would be private schools proposing curriculum and then students and parents choosing from a plethora of varying ideas and essentially voting with their dollars. The problem is that too many "Americans" have decided that the answer lies with government and not personal freedom."
f***, that was awesome.
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The matter of whether evolution is science is not something up for people to decide any more than they can decide that the sea is now green. Teaching religious messages otherwise is as you said, a matter for private schools.
But I digress back to your original point that the religious climate in America is a "unique" and "peaceful" "triumph over religious zealotry." For a country that is so heavily Christianized, I find it hard to believe that all of your states so readily accept Wiccans, Satanists, Odalists, Pantheists etc.
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Varg says that he is "...ready for society..." and has been for many years. He told Dagbladet newspaper, "I have learned from my mistakes and become older. Now I just want to be together with my family...I have barely seen my [18-month old] son since he came into the world. Even though I hear his voice on the phone almost every day, it is very tough to not be present while he is growing up." Varg regularly left the prison for the past couple of years to visit his mother, wife, 16-year-old daughter and young son in Tromso, Norway, the town where the prison is located.
well, ill finally wade in on this one. this guy does not deserve to be let out. he killed some1 over something that he did not know for sure was true. boo fukin hoo about everything he missed out on. should have thought about that b4 you killed that guy over a rumor. just too bad the prison system there is a slack as it is. lets him leave to see his family? wtf kinda prison is this? fukin pansy a$$ prison i think. but thats just my opinion
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For a country that is so heavily Christianized, I find it hard to believe that all of your states so readily accept Wiccans, Satanists, Odalists, Pantheists etc.
its called a free society. as for being christianized, far from the truth. the christian church here is in decline. we are tired of the same ol bs that gets spewed from the mouths of the liars who use religion to get rich. CHRISTIANITY IS FAKE AND NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED! but thats just my opinion
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- "as for being christianized, far from the truth. the christian church here is in decline. we are tired of the same ol bs that gets spewed from the mouths of the liars who use religion to get rich"
I would LOVE for this to be true, but one needs only look at the size of the Republican constituency and the sheer volume of Christian spin-off churches (aka sects) that America houses to know that EVEN if Christianity IS in decline, it's a very slow fall from a very high point. I am glad, however, that some of you (the unknown, unidentified 'we' you mentioned) are coming around.
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210. writes:
This dude is fu**in ruthless. I think that he's ready to be out in the world but if someone or something ticks him off, he's going to go ballistic. Lol! Overall, it's great that he's coming home & he's going to be making gud music...........again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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^He wouldnt be getting out early unless he had proved that he was a calm, collected, model prisoner who never gave anyone any trouble. Plus he's now 16 years older, and time does soften the fiery passions of youth - that's nature. So I can't say I agree that he's going to go 'ballistic' if someone ticks him off. I'm sure other inmates wouldv been giving him sh** throughout his 16 year incarceration, and he's still getting out early, so... sure, he might get annoyed, frustrated, angry, etc, but I think he has at the very least learnt some self-control.
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I blame the random person for not getting to know his shooter. I mean, how rude is that? The guy took all these measures to buy, load and conceal a firearm and the victim doesn't even bother to ask how the shooter's day was going?! Inconsiderate.
^sarcasm...felt I should state that with all the TimWs around lately.
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220. writes:
man we are still at the fard thing
well maybe the dude learned his leson but he will fall back in the hands of the mighty lord satan soon and will takes is place while satan takes a couple of days off and will scuba dive with me
no i do think vard will be the next manson alldo manson rulles
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really i hav nothing against varg vikernes.. in fact i consider him influencial to me and others in metal... especially the european black metal scene... which i like to call (NEW WAVE OF EUROPEAN BLACK METAL) NWOEBM.... anyway, in my part, i hav no comment on varg... but i cant consider him god nor satan... if he was he could hav done something greater than church burnings, one murder, which was just about it from varg... but i hope he now rethought his life, mistakes, and success... and move on...
BURZUM, to me, is dead, and his legacy is fading... unless varg has made well thought out plans from his time in prison... but i feel that it is not gonna be good enough... cuz like i said... his legacy is dying...
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225. writes:
Like many of the other posters in this thread, I like Burzum's music, but I have to admit that I think Vikernes deserves every bit of trouble that's coming his way as soon as he gets out. And I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if the government simply turned its head, considering the trouble he's given them in the past.
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Lol Deathfreak, you think your justice system sucks? Come over to Britain for a bit. What kind of system gives paedophiles and child killers shorter jail time than a benefit cheat? I was reading recently about a guy who killed two young girls a few years ago (it was huge news at the time but I can't remember the killer's name) and at christmas time they gave him and the other inmates a kareoke machine and let them call themselves The Paedophilliacs. Meanwhile in the same prison, Charles Bronson, a man who robbed a post office in the mid 70s, has been doing 30 years of solitary confinement and has to suck on a small tube in the wall for fresh air.
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i don't know what to say, one this guy's a musical genius, one he's a racist who killed euronymous, so i have mixed feelings, i do surely hope he is ready for society, (and perhaps another burzum album), one great probability is that, if he gets mad, he's going to go insane, which i hope is behind him, me like varg, i have anger problems, and yes to wiggles what you said is correct, he tried to break out, his freedom didn't last, and he did get caught with army gear, medival weapons, and guns, anyway i miss burzum, and the old mayhem both, so i'm 50/50 on this, i don't judge anyone, even varg, hopefully, but doubtfully this will be his last time in prison
p.s. welcome home, varg
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231. writes:
^he didnt calm down in the first ten years, why does everyone assume another six will do the job?
the justice sytem sucks worldwide. Not just america, not just norway, not just britain, everybody. And there is nothing we can do about it. People run the justice sytem, so it is inherently corrupt. But you cant run the system without people, sooo...we're f***ed.
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oz, I feel bad for that dude that still in jail for robbing the post office. In prison you should only be aloud the bare essentials maby a radio or a few books for good behavior. Over in america some dude had money in his bank account and bought every cell in the prison an HD tv and stalls for the bathroom. Thats total bull sh**.
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Well i have been doing my studies on this guy since i have had no idea who he was i decided to listen to some Burzum music, even a little Mayhem, and to be honest i hate Black Metal. If im going to listen to anything from Norway it will most likely be Dimmu Borgir. But besides that.
Varg is lucky he lives where he does, i understand a lot of you live across the globe and i can only speak from my eyes and beliefs from the US. I love metal and i live for what it stands for, not a symbol of hatred but more or less of freedom. Its the only music ive ever found to pull out raw emotion and release it free, whether it be sorrow, anger, or so on. Everyone may idolize Varg because of the music that him and his band had maifested in the early 90s. The man most defonetly lives the lyrics someone would write into a black metal song.
Do i think he will live a normal life? maybe, but if i stabbed someone in the skull on purpose i would be incarcerated for a longer time than 16 years. i can do that by selling drugs.
Varg is not "fixed" nor ever will be. A man will remember the blood on his hands for the rest of his life, ask any soldier. He attacked a man who was "running for a knife" but took a detour out the door. Stabbed him in the shoulder a few times and then finished him off with one to the forehead. Burning Churchs and have Neo-Nazi ties. I am not a very religious person and i have never hated on anyone for thier beliefs, ive known a few Satanists even. But i do not think Varg should be let free.
And post 234, i dont know where your getting your facts but the only High def tvs in a jail system are rec. rooms. I understand some people hate america but if your going to be stupid, at least have a real comment to add, i know plenty of people who have been to jail and you cant just buy a tv for yourself and the rest of the jail system.
and for the record, f*** Black Metal, just keep it Heavy
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IBP: "and to be honest i hate Black Metal. If im going to listen to anything from Norway it will most likely be Dimmu Borgir. But besides that." Uh what? DB is black metal. Different from its origins a little maybe but black metal still.
"A man will remember the blood on his hands for the rest of his life, ask any soldier" And most soldiers, who have killed face-to-face, would prefer never killing again. Not sure this supports your argument.
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Hey Wiggles, instead of worrying so much about me, just continue to have sex with your pet animals and leave the real metal heads alone you tree hugging freak.
All in all he killed a fa**ot that was going to kill him. Whether anyone believes it or not, the saying goes kill them before they get you, obviously whether these rumours or facts can be proven, we may never know.
Ao do we throw every soldier in jail thats killed someone because they may do it again, what prevents the military from popping caps in our asses? Many soldiers i know have had to do things to defend themselves that they wouldnt do on an ordinary day. Obviously Varg isnt a Marine or member of the military, but be that as it may, when someone does something to defend themselves for the sake of there own life should be praised. If someone plotted to kill you or lets say a family member of yours, wouldnt you confront them and do what must be done, or do you choose to turn your Bon Jovi records on and cry like a b****? Your Choice.
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Deathineye your right, i do understand Dimmu is black metal, i dont own any of there records, ive jammed a few of there songs honestly. But i also slept threw there set at Ozzfest so im not exactly a big fan =P. I just appreciate the music, those soldiers however were forced into killing, not doing it out of pride, they did it for survival.
Varg chases Euronymous threw his flats staircase with a knife stabbing him as he ran screaming for help because he saw him as a coward for not grabbing a weapon when he could and then stabbed him in the forehead when he was cornered i guess would be a good way to put it.......thats a murderer, not a solider. There is a pride in his killing, you can see the smile on his court room videos haha.
And because you were cool about the approach ill take back my f*** black metal comments for ya =P since i guess i appreciate the little bits i do.
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So what if I think that the environment is more important that humanity? Also, I have a girl friend you hillbilly so I don't need animals.
Nothing wrong with gay people, if you were a "real metal head" you'd have an open mind, being a part of a sub-culture that is looked down on by the rest of society means you should open your mind.
But I guess and being an ignorant, racist redneck like comes first.
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Amen to that, Diamond! Furthermore, it is kinda un-metal to start with. Metal is about taking what the "normal" societies rule's, are, and tossing them out of the window. I also think that we should strive to be more welcoming to those who are cast out, much like we are. Besides, what does what one does in bed have anything to do with what kind of person they are? Nada, mi amigo!
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TimW, you could use the argument that having sex with another man is the manliest thing you can do because they're bigger and stronger than women.
Don't get me wrong, I don't really understand gay people, even though my gf is bi. But they aren't hurting anyone so I let them get on with it. Persecution for a persons chosen sexuality is retarded and outdated.
In the case of Gaahl, his gayness is just another affront to the god that he hates.
Lastly whats the difference between male-male anal and male-female anal? Or are you the kind of prude who only takes part in sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation and hates all other sexual activity because you aren't allowed to do anything else?
Oh and your views on Varg are based on the version you were told/read. One sided story, there were obviously other contributing factors. I don't know what happened, and neither do you. All in all you are a detestable human being.
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Oz - Partially, but they also did so to have the pleasure without the risk of getting a woman pregnant. Very strange hedonistic society by todays standards. Moralities change and things become taboo. Influences of the dominant religion take root in everyones mind.
And Layer Cake = awesome film, along with Snatch and Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels.
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Its amazing how freedom of speech is always so one sided, when someone takes a conservative viewpoint, im too burnt at the stake, but every foul sexual act that can be imagined is ok with this sick society? I dont go around bashing gays, but i hate the bullsh** taught to my children in school, no its not f***ing ok to teach my children the daddy/daddy story. My children are brought up with values and that marriage actually has some meaning, just because everyone else is a divorce freak and do not take there vows seriously, does not mean thats how i live my life. Whats so bad about actually having a mother and father that the children can love? Are we so far gone from reality we have to accept every depraved activity out there?
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From his posts and previous comments, I'm guessing TimW is actually Christian. Which is mind boggling. I can only hope TimW that you never spawn children as hateful as yourself.
"Are we so far gone from reality we have to accept every depraved activity out there?" - What are you smoking? Reality is cruel, depraved and in no way concerned about your outdated 1950 American morality.
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TimW: Some would say that your children are growing up in a sick and depraved environment (which is why I believe you complained that freedom of speech is one sided-yet you are still allowed to keep posting here aren't you?). It's all a matter of perception. Your ideals and values are obviously much different than most peoples. Don't take it so hard when people don't jump up to respect yours and offer criticism. Yours is a battle fought for many years on many different fronts, so it doesn't suprise me that you keep comming back for more. All I can offer is for you to look at what you can learn from and try to grow in learning.
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I was thinking about the teaching of the "daddy/daddy story" the other day actually. I had a little ponder about it and came to the conclusion that the world is changing, whether it's changing for the better or not is entirely upto you and your opinions, but all in all, I don't see a problem with introducing books about kids adopted by gay couples. It happens more often nowadays and without explaining it then it might confuse some children. Plus it's not like the books shows pictures of guys shagging or anything, so what harm can it do really? Gay marriage obviously means alot to gay couples or they wouldn't fight for it, so I don't see what damage it does to the sanctity of marriage.
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Post 257 was actually a fairly readable and therefore very commendable for yourself post.
I disagree with the depraved part, but yes you do have a point about children being taught this. I don't know which side of this issue I stand on because I don't have kids.
The whole gay couples being allowed to adopt issue... Some of them would make far better parents for a child than any heterosexual couple, but it could influence a childs world view I suppose in a "negative" way. Much as any child can be influenced - look at the Phelps family - Westboro Baptist church people are so full of hate that I'm surprised there haven't been lynchings of them yet.
Gay marriage issue - I am (perhaps surprisingly) opposed to it being called marriage because it just takes the mick out of the actual term from the bible, although my theologian roommate has told me there is actually nothing concrete in the bible that says same sex couple can't marry - which I doubt. Civil partnership is perfectly acceptable to my way thinking. Wanting to get married in a church I feel is hypocritical as they obviously go against the wishes of whatever God the church was built to... That's the relatively new religions at work, making it all taboo.
We just have to remember that gayness was not frowned upon early on in history, look at Ancient Greece as Oz pointed out.
I don't know why people have such strong opinion on what a person does in their own private life. I suppose it is because nowadays sex sells and people are becoming less inhibited in public as well, which is bringing homosexuality into the bright lights for the first time in many many years. But that seems to be the natural progression of society. As long as someone doesn't make a huge deal out of whether or not they are homo- or het- I don't give a damn. Sex is a nice thing to have, but it isn't the most important thing out there. I for one actually enjoy the feeling of just holding my girl in my arms afterwards, more than the actual physical act itself, call me a sap if you will.
TL;DR - TimW had a fair point, I admit it, but there are more factors to be taken into consideration. Also I am a sap.
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Modern America? Good society? Ha please.
If American society was "good" people with views like yours wouldn't exist.
The fact that a racist bigot can have kids and complain about gay couples adopting them is quite funny.
At least having gay parents will mean that they will be far more open minded when they grow up, they'll be decent people.
Are you going to teach your kids that there is nothing wrong with black people? Will you teach them about the Holocaust? Or will they end up being just as ignorant as you?
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"I also think that we should strive to be more welcoming to those who are cast out, much like we are"
Hypocrite. I agree with a lot of points in TimW's posts. Not all of them, but some. As a tax payer he should have the right to be concerned what his children are taught in schools. If he is against teaching the daddy/daddy story why can't he be. Gay people are always preaching open mindedness. Then why can't we do the same. lawl.
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Lots of good ones this go around. I agree with points from the last 8 posts. As far as the whole gay adoption thing goes, I have a problem with the process. Case in point, when we arrived here 4 years ago, we tried to adopt, because we thought we were unable to have children. My wife and I are normal taxpaying citizens with normal jobs and average salaries. We were disqualified because we didn't make enough money. Meanwhile, gay couples who, combined, make about the same as us were able to adopt with no problem. I just find that unfair.
Another note on the gay issue. If you are gay, I have no problem with it at all. I have a gay uncle, and I love him to death. What I have a problem with is the notion that it's perfectly fine to be the "diva" homosexual. It's getting more and more popularized and chic, meanwhile, the gay men I have been around were more like me than a "gay" man.
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Everyone should have the right to freedom of speech, but at the same time it isn't right that people can call freedom of speech when they say hateful things against other groups of people, have you not noticed all the things he says about Jews and blacks?
I'm a tax payer too, I pay taxes for a war I don't believe in anymore, I pay for drug dealer's welfare and I put in for corporate hand outs that the CEO's pocket and then sack the workers and go overseas.
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AP - I completely agree with you on that point, tis what I meant when I was talking about how if people keep things private its fine, but if they act completely different just because of their sexual preferences, then I have a problem with it.
They act like spoilt children with their breathy voices and b****y ways lol. I don't like those people in any capacity, gay or not.
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"What I have a problem with is the notion that it's perfectly fine to be the "diva" homosexual."
Gonna have to agree with you alot there AP. Last friday I went to pick up my sister from college and there was some guy there acting like that, before assuring me he wasn't gay, just really camp. I decided (because I'm a c*** at times) not to bother speaking to him and decided a snarl was sufficient. Anyone making a big deal out of whatever they are (or aren't) is f***ing annoying.
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"What I have a problem with is the notion that it's perfectly fine to be the "diva" homosexual." - I don't. I think it's ok to be who you want to be. You don't have to like them (as IrishMetal says). Perhaps what you mean AP1 is that you don't like the media's skewed view of gay people? Now that's some thing I can agree with.
Damn you Analguest! I have to wait ages to import cds... can't wait to hear Pestilence unleashed again, hopefully my Cannibal Corpse DVD will arrive soon too.
If TimW sets up any more strawman arguments he'll be able to start up a farm. In any case all of this is a bit off topic - Now Playing: Burzum - "Tomhet" (best ambient track ever?)
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I love how everything gets political around here...(yes, this is Christf***er/Sexbloodandmetal/other names I've assumed).
In MOST cases, I support the Death Penalty (The Ted Bundies and John Wayne Gacies of the world must be killed). Otherwise, I support Norwegian government stance.
I liked some of Burzum's work. But I'm a trve supporter of Mayhem (Mayhem hasn't been as good since Euronymous died). Rather, I'm partial to Euronymous because his style inspired mine musically. But we can't make our arguments based on which of the two we like better.
When you base your judgment on the facts, Varg changed his story, if I recall, THREE TIMES. First saying it was an accident, then saying it was in defense. Thats three strikes against him right there. Lets not forget that Euronymous died in his f***ing underwear UNARMED. That makes FOUR STRIKES. Right...I'm sure Varg really felt threatened, so threatened that he went to Euronymous' home in the middle of the night. And there, Euronymous answered the door, knowing it was the man he wanted dead, with NO WEAPON, and NO CLOTHES EXCEPT HIS BOXERS (I'm assuming boxers, since real men don't wear briefs). And so, Varg stabbed Euronymous 23 times IN THE BACK in self-defense...Oh please, Roman Senators felt more threatened by Caesar, and HE WAS EPILEPTIC!
But ultimately apart from the forensic science, dead men tell no tales, so we'll never know Euronymous' side. But again, Varg lies. And I barely believed "A Burzum Story" on his personal site. It somewhat mirrors O.J. Simpson's "If I Did It" and he took too much time bashing Euronymous. Those signs lead to a man who most likely killed Euronymous unprovoked and possibly out of jealousy.
But in either case. Varg will be released, much to my dismay, and we'll get to see what he'll be like on the outside. I can't say I know what I'd do if I saw Varg on the streets. I know what I'd want to do, but I guess I'd have to wait for the chance do as much...
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Also, off the subject I'd like to give my eternal hails to:
Kali/Kalis_Wrath, BLACKDOG, godlike, Diamond_Oz, slayerdisciple, War Ensemble, and everyone else here who I like and respect here. Its good to be back, I missed you all!
Stay trve, Stay brutal! Horns!
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Wow, like no one has ever walked around there own house in there underwear, such an argument. God forbid a man walks around his house and answers the door in his boxer briefs, so what the guy answered the door wearing absolves Euronafag from not starting crap first with Varg, wow im suprised i never thought of that. Yes your honor, i never intended to kill Varg but answered the door in my lingerie and sexily asked Varg to touch me in silly ways, oh thats right im dead now so i cant answer that question your honor, Varg killed me first before i could kill him...lmfao!
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Both sides of the story are kind of mute. Both have loopholes in them and ultimately it would be impossible to solve the case because of lack of forensic evidence. Varg did what he thought he had to do and It changed the face of "metal" as we know it. Everyone can sit here and play jury but fact is, you weren't their so your opinion is sh**. He served his time and now he's out. If you all are so passionate about this trial, you should probably head on over to norway and attempt place him under civil arrest. Just don't do it in your underwear :)
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Good luck on the surgery Oz! Good news: You're gonna get REALLY REALLY good drugs out of it!
I lost my Security job, I've been looking and looking, no luck. I picked the worst time to lose a job...I did some landscaping/yardwork over the weekend. Makes good money, but its not steady. Right now I'm gonna go to the corporate office of a company called SECURITAS, and hope they hire me. Wish me luck gents!
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Hell, I could totally go for a hard copy of those tunes I hear on that blindgreed myspace thing. But i dont like cd's. send me an 8-track version of your cd couldja BG?
no but seriously, soon as i get some cash I'm sending for a Blindgreed cd along with a Ted Maul t-shirt and the Machine Head dvd and probably a mail-order bride or two.
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^thats awesome, thanks then, I'll send you whatever info you need via myspace(dont want all those internet metalhead predators to get ahold of my address on here lol)
In truth though, I was gonna get the mail order brides first and rent them out to 8 mexican guys and make my money back anyway, and then buy your album using that money, but your idea sounds better.
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btw TimW, it's "HEIL" Varg!, not "Hail" you Nazi twat.
oh, and I was kidding about the 8-track thing blindgreed, just in case my sarcasm didnt translate over the internet. :P I would hate to have to eat my own words and get stuck with an album I cant even play becasue I was trying to be funny. lol
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I speak english, so i dont use "heil".....but anyway, just leave Varg alone. You guys must really have better things to do. Think of his children, whether you believe he has the right to be free or not, his children see him through different eyes. My mother hated my grandfather all my life for whatever BS reasons that in-laws hate other in-laws, but as a child all i saw was my loving grandfather who spoiled me and loved me. So for all you bleeding heart liberal tree huggers, at least you should understand the simplicity of a childs love and be able to understand it.
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To post 342, what it means is this, alot of the posters here are very liberal in there viewpoint. My understanding of a typical liberal translation is that they are supposed to be "tolerant" of humans, animals and viewpoints. So with that said i find it very hypocrytical that the few who have called me a nazi, rascist , bigot, and various other idiotic statements, which would prove there "liberal" attitude would say Varg doesnt deserve to live, or they would kill him themselves if they saw him makes me want to puke because they have no real belief system.
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348. writes:
Try and keep up with things AP1! Don't you know everyone who disagrees with TimW is a complete lunatic liberal? Lol - despite the massively varying thoughts on Varg/death sentence/justice system etc. in this thread by many people, TimW still finds it easier to lump everyone into a strawman stereotype and hack away at it rather than grow some nads and confront a post directly.
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You know why I don't tolerate you? I have no time for someone who is going to spend all their time spreading hateful crap over the net.
People here call you a racist, a bigot whatever because you are. Have you ever stopped and read what you've just written. Maybe you should and then you'll understand why no one gives a f*** about what you think.
Sure you have a right to say what you want but why should everyone just keep their mouths shut?
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^the trip HERE is easy. IT's the trip out that's impossible. Once you set foot in this melting pot all the other vegatables just want to tear you apart for infecting their soup that tasted like sh** in the first place. they will never let you leave, unless its in pieces. The melting pot is a heated and hateful place. i.e. TimW. :P
Speaking of which, Did it ever occur to you TimW that maybe it's not that we're liberals, we just disagree with you because you're wrong? I've convinced both friends and family members to vote Republican for hte past ten years or so. I support gun laws, and abiding by the constitution by the strict letter of the law, but i also support womens rights to abortion, gay marriage, and believe in evolution. So where the f*** do I stand on the conservative/liberal fence? That's just it, I dont have a fence, it's just a open field of knowlege and opinion. I just believe what I have reasoned out to be true by logic and experience
U hate races, based on nearly irrelevant differences. It's like having a breed of dog that hates all other types of dogs except for ones that have the same fur color as it does. It makes no logical sense whatsoever, hence why that never happens. Even animals know that segregation within their own race is stupid. Why can tyou?
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Hey jack-offs, listen very carefully because this is the perfect example. Now anyone who actually watches the news or american news for those in other countries that have running toilets and television.
We just had a chimp kill 4 police officers in Oakland, then they marched yesterday praising the black bastard for killing the cops. So im the hateful one because i want this scum eradicated. You guys believe cops should be killed then the the blacks have a chimp out praising this guy?...WAKE THE f*** UP!
Blacks have managed to get away with murders, rape and other crap in the name of "we were slaves so you whiteys deserve it" are you f***ing kidding me? But yet im a jerk because i want my children to be safe and be able to go to school without disruptions from "right turn clyde" sitting next to them....
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"Blacks have managed to get away with murders, rape and other crap in the name of "we were slaves so you whiteys deserve it"
This is drowning. Tim, I don't know you, so I can't say that I like or dislike you, but now you're just swimming in sewage. I think you have reached the point where no one takes you seriously anymore. I don't know about your story, but it just seems like you have alot of resentment built up in your heart. Cross your legs, hold your nose and fart. It might clear some of the bats out of your bellfry.
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TimW: It is what it is dude. Life. Many bad things have happened to me over the course of my life. However, I do not hold others responsible. Sh!t just happens man. You can't go around blaming entire races for the state of society. Society as a whole is to blame. I wish you all of the luck in the world because if you continue down the path your on, you're going to need it.
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"You guys believe cops should be killed then the the blacks have a chimp out praising this guy?" - This is a classic TimW move - he presents a position so repugnant but puts it forward as if we've all previously stated . Wikipedia has a whole article on this fallacious argument (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)
As for Tims 360 post, your stereotyping of "blacks" invalidates your whole post. Think about that. Nothing at all in your post is valid in any way because your argument is fundamentally flawed by assuming all people in a race are the same. No-one ever in the world, not your Bill O'Reilly's or Sean Hannity's will ever agree with you, save the inherently small group of radically ignorant uneducated hillbilly's.
I'd also like to point out your view of conservative vs. liberal is skewed. You are one of the dinosaurs left in the world, just like the Islamic terrorists you no doubt despise. The world is not 50/50 with people like you on one side, you are the minority. Ironic, isn't it?
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I think if Timmaayyy!!! had an avatar, it'd be that fat a$$ Cartman screaming some incoherent sh** about Jews.
By the way, that was very mature of you to wish us harm just so we can "wake up". What if that "something bad" was perpetrated by a white man? Would that somehow soften your view? I doubt it. The excuse would probably turn out be something like this: "Well, there I was on my way to kill me a darky 'cause ma wife didn't buy me no beer, and the white girl just got in the way".
As strange as it is, I honestly believe you are getting the last laugh over the fact that we are still debating your tired ass. Face it Timmaayyy, you are a dying breed. A small weak little man who just can't get over the fact that we, as a society, are moving past the ignorant, trifling sh** that your dad and grandad called hobbies in the 60's. Get over it. You're a white man with an infantile p***s and a Napoleon complex.
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To this "TimW" character: I'm African-American. No matter what you say here on this site to me about me, I know you'll never have the balls to say that to my face. How do I know this, you ask? Because racism, as well as other forms of discrimination, comes from fear of the denomination you express hatred toward. I have no pity for cowards such as yourself. Neither do I feel threatened by people such as yourself. I sleep well, knowing that ignorant and obsolete rhetoric such as yours has no weight in this world anymore. Your stupidity barely merits my mere responses here, but I was bored and read your post. Have a nice life, isolating yourself from a world full of people who could even help you better yourself. Then again, your life already seems to amount to nothing.
(Then again, you're probably just a troll anyway)
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I would say it to your face anytime cretan, believe me, you dont scare me punk. And that african american bullsh** is just that...pure and utter bullsh**, your black, unless you came directly from zimbabwe...stfu, every black claims heritage like they are all kings and queens. Fact remains i really dont give a sh**, you believe what you believe and i believe what i believe, and whats really funny, is there are many on this site that do think like me, however they are the cowards for not standing for something. Trust me, many of the posters here dont believe half the sh** they say, chris rock to quote one of your kind said that many people act a certain way in front of people but when they get home they are saying N- word this and N-word that and that something me and Mr. chris rock agree on.
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i agree with you there, people do act very differently around other people. its almost inevitable to everyone. but just as you see marriage as having meaning to your children and letting them grow up to have values and not be a "parasite" is the exact same way as GORE is emphasizing. knowing your history doesnt make you a dumbass. doesnt make you king of african americans, it just shows that his race, whether you like it or not, has come through all the bullsh** human kind can throw at it and even as all of that era has come to an end, the humiliation and segregation continues by old fashioned, smug anglos. im hispanic living in a hispanic community and am grateful i have not been outcasted and degraded because of my heritage. but obviously, its just in my part of the country. america ain't an all white nation anymore, sorry to burst yo bubble, you gotta have something against every nationality and race if you dont like the "chimps" for a reason you had no control over (from what i have read). its you and the few that support you, against the world man.
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And your point is...What? You're still repeating the same bullsh** you were spouting off before I gave you a reply. You have no real aim here its all just generalizations and calling me out of my name. You only further prove my point about people like you. All you do is bring up something you saw on the news involving a black man committing a crime, call someone a [insert racial slur here], exaggerate it trying to villify black people/minorities in general, and then mention a need of some lame white resistance (on a racially impartial site of all things) based on some paranoia of some takeover like we, as an entire race, are mobilizing to form some faction of a sort that will lead to anarchy.
Now think of this: You think blacks and other minorites will take over the nation, make either a giant mob or rebel faction that will take over the U.S./the world. Either that or we're gonna spread like a virus which will lead to a world of crime, violence, and immoral acts. And you think the solution to the imaginary problem is that white people need to basically unite as one and form something like, say, a rebel faction or a giant mob of some kind that will take over the U.S./the world to eliminate the problem. And in order to eliminate said problem, said group has to commit crime, violent acts and all-around immoral things. Did you think of all this by yourself?
The reason blacks, hispanics, asians, and other racial denominations are called "minorities" is because in America, we are just that: the minority. African-Americans only take up 12% of the population. And altogether, non-white people only take up a little over a quarter of the population. Yes, you may see many in the inner cities, but there's virtually no minorities in the rest of the country. Yeah, we're definitely a force to be reckoned with Tim...It must be terrible having to run away from the scary black folks all the way up to, say, Minnesota. But oh wait! Most of the players for the Vikings are black! There's just no escaping. You better run to the hills whitey before I seduce your daughter with my big c*** (and yes, that myth is true) and you have to face your mulatto grandchildren at cookouts.
I really applaud your ignorance. Once again, you've given me something to laugh at. The only thing more amusing than you are your half-baked and overall retarded ideas...I'm starting to miss Lord Agony, at least the people he hated were actually worth hating...
Also, the more you call me out of my name, the less of a threat you show yourself to be. And is that picture supposed to intimidate me with your size? Chances are the picture probably isn't even you. And even if it is, I probably could take you in real life. That is, if you even had it in you to call me a "chimp" to my face.
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To post 404, i actually get along very well with the Hispanic community very well down here. I frequent a Brazilian Bakery down here where the lady at the counter speaks very little english, but we get along and communicate fine. The hispanic community is very hard working, they are always at the flea markets, construction sites busting there asses down here as well as the asian community. As for the rest of the porch monkeys, im sorry...it is what it is and they know it, they cry, moan and cry more how whitey gives them nothing but yet the hispanics and asians flourish with the same set of rules...so explain that one too me.
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well i cant really explain that due to the fact we dont have many african americans livin in my area. but those that due are very well off. not fitting into any criteria of what so ever. very few live in "the projects" and are actually quite wealthy. i dont see any crying or moaning coming from my part of the country, practically no asians here either. but maybe they are working their asses off for practically no money an hour since they have no passport or id proving they are residents here. like that bullsh** wall they built around my city due to immigration. what the f*** is that going to do? its going to restrict the rate of people coming in, not stop. i dont know, but people get what they want, maybe thats why the hispanics and asians are working their a$$ off over there. trying to fit in and show they can live the american dream their own damn selves.
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I've nothing against blacks. Some of the smartest and strongest people I've known have been black. The smartest one I know is in York University right now, which is the best for business education in the world. Another I know is freakishly fit and going to do some important work for the Canadian military. I've actually not seen many black girls do bad in school at all here. I don't know too many black guys though, so I can't say much on that.
The issue is not "who committed the crime", but rather WHY they feel the need to commit the crime. Crime statistics only give you numbers, not lives. I bet you if things were reversed and the amount and history of white people was traded with that of black people, the exact same situation would occur but on a reversal for the different races.
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I don't believe in god. What does god have to do with all this? Humanity isn't something a book can teach you, and I'm sure any Christian with any shred of dignity can tell you that. It's instinct. It's your heart. It's not some possibly non-existing big guy in the sky. And finding out WHY people of certain groups commit certain crimes is an important part of this amazing thing called logic.
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To correct your statistic, Tim (Because your type have come at me with the same argument with the same outdated statistics): Statistics between 1968 and 1976 (The ones you're quoting) show that it was in fact 66.3% of the prison population being African-American. And 40-50% of those crimes were "black-on-black" crime. Just as 40-50% of the white prisoners were locked up for "white-on-white" crime. Statistically, its 884,500 black prisoners, but trailing right behind are 699,500 white prisoners. Rounded off, that's only a 200,000 person difference.
Now lets move a tad closer to the present: 2006 FBI statistics show that 69.7% of crimes were committed by whites, versus 28% black. Now a little closer: 2007 statistics show that 56% of prisoners on death row are white, versus 40% black. On average, out of a jury of 12, 8-10 jurors are white. So you can't even blame the increase on the black jurors.
And that doesn't include the statistic that 8-12% of those inmates were actually or factually innocent. And of the people exonerated/wrongfully convicted of those crimes, 59.8% statistically, are African-American.
Now, going back to what you said about African-Americans committing 70% of the crime. That argument is also stupid, since you're going on the population of people in prison. One can't truly say "Well, this many [insert race of people here] are in prison, therefore, they are the problem." Its real easy to judge which is more criminal when you go by the statistics of people in prison. I don't like judging by those terms (because of the 8-12% of people wrongfully convicted), but even if I go by those terms, the very same statistics you hold on to for every racially-charged argument show that white people seem to commit more of the crime than blacks. So with that in mind, maybe white people are the problem? Maybe you should look into yourself more. You probably won't, because you probably don't want to think that you're the problem. Of course, I don't judge people on how many of their race is incarcerated. I judge on the individual, not the group. Once again, enjoy isolating yourself from the world.
I can also provide the links I got this information from (one of them being a statistic from the Department of Justice). I'll do that on another post.
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415. writes:
Read your percentages...the ratio doesnt substantiate your claims.
Lets say you have 10 whites and 4 blacks in a neihborhood. Yes there are more whites, but 2 whites commit a crime and 2 blacks commit a crime, what does that tell you? It means 50 percent of crime in that neighboorhood is committed by blacks and only 20 percent were committed by whites. So yes you may be able to say more whites commit crimes or as equal amounts, but the percentages show that the majority of the black population are corrupt as oppossed to the percentage of whites.....use your head...the numbers dont lie.
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To post 417, now that sounds rascist, yet you dont agree with me....lmao....really? illegals? no kidding?......at least they dont b**** and moan about how terriible there life is, they are willing to die to take care of there families unlike others who sit on a porch wit a 40 yo.
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You can read about it but you need to experience it to really know it in my opinion.
Anyway, back to Barry Scheck and the Innocence Project.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/Browse-Profiles.php
Look here, click some names, and you'll see most of the clients here are *gasp* NOT WHITE. Because a lot of non-white people get falsely accused. Considering the proportions of non-white people getting falsely imprisoned as to white people, you can see that there is obvious racism in the North American "justice" system.
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TimW you didn't do your math right in your fictional scenario. 2 of 14 (because 14 is the total population) is 14% as opposed to 28% when 4 of 14. Yes it'd be 50% of the black population but that really says nothing when it's lower than the white population. But yeah, thanks for pointing out how numbers can spun in any direction.
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Well he's looking at proportions.
2/4 = 50% of blacks
2/10 = 20%
HOWEVER, that's how many of each group commit a crime. If we were to look at the source of crimes by race, it'd be 50% white and 50% black.
But you have to look at factors beyond these basic numbers. What about those offered a lower education level? Where do these people LIVE? How do they live? What if the same proportion of white people lived the same lifestyle as the average African American? What's their financial situation?
There's so many questions to be asked. But in order to know who's really a baddie or who's not, you have to know what really caused a person to commit a crime. It may indicate that it isn't due to any inferiority, but rather that they live under much worse conditions than a white guy such as yourself, Timmy.
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You're right. The numbers don't lie Tim. However you also said that the ratio doesn't substantiate my claims. I'm using the same logic to said ratios that you used in your claims. Using your own stupid logic, I proved your very claims wrong. And I'm gonna do it again below (I'm also gonna correct you on your math):
Just like you said, 10 whites to 4 blacks in a neighborhood (14 people). 2 of each commit a crime. It actually means that 50% of crime in that neighborhood is committed by blacks and 50% by whites (2 blacks + 2 whites = 4 people. Half-or 50%- of four is 2.). However, in the neighborhood as a whole, only 28% are criminals (4 of 14 people are criminals). And only 14% in that neighborhood are black criminals (Divide 28% in half. 14% white criminals, 14% black criminals).
The only way your claim and your f***ed up math would be right would be if:
Out of 14 people, in order for 50% of the crime to be black, 7 have to be black vs. 7 white. All 7 blacks would be criminals, and only 2.8 white people would be criminals to substantiate your claim (which I've already proven retarded). But you're trying to prove that blacks commit more crimes in lesser ratios. Well in either case, you just failed.
While I'm at it, using your own logic and math skills I can just say that 100% of racists are too stupid to do simple middle school math. Using you, of course, as my prime example.
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428. writes:
InfernoNecrosis - The Innocence Project is actually where I got one of my statistics.
TimW - I'm gonna quote you: "they are willing to die to take care of there families unlike others who sit on a porch wit a 40 yo."
---Let me correct your sentence below:
"[T]hey are willing to die to take care of [their] families unlike others who sit on a porch [with] a 40 [oz]."
---Do you understand how pathetic you are of a racist, that I have to go behind you and correct you, not only on spelling, grammar, capitalization, and abbreviations, but even in the f*cking stereotype? The stereotype is 40 OZ. (As in, OUNCES) *not* 40 YO. (As in, a 40 year-old person).
And I come from the projects stupid. You're saying my mom wasn't willing to die for me, when my mom ran to get me out of gunfire when I was 7 years old? You're saying that my mom wasn't willing to die taking care of me when my dad was beating on her as well as me and my little sister, and when she had 2 brain surgeries from Lupus complications and still managed to take care of us when we really needed it? Or the times when I was a kid growing up in Southeast DC, we had little or no food to feed us, and she gave us the last of her food? She starved sometimes Tim. I look back at my baby pictures, I looked like a 3rd world child. And I'm still f*cking here because of her. And not only am I still here, I'm smarter and stronger than you can ever be. No, we don't care about anything Tim. We just commit crimes and fall subject to the statistics made from the bad math skills of people like you. I hope you don't breed.
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Nothing racist about my comment Tim. 12 million illegals in this country is a fact. However, alot of Americans need to get off their a$$ and get jobs back that they refuse to do, because they feel it is beneath them. Pride goeth before the fall. I don't have a problem one with someone from any nationality coming to this country to provide a better life, provided they get in line like everyone else.
And Gore, you are a testament that you can beat your surroundings with the strong influence of a good parent. I salute you and you moms. Props brother.
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TimW: "...so that whole socio-economic feel sorry BS is a cop-out." - LOLOLOLOL! Yeah sure, all the studys ever done on the topic, all the govern... oh whatever you're not listening to anything people say.
Btw you didn't answer my question on what metal you actually listen to, you know, besides Christian glam.
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"who'd have more reason to commit crime... a man who has everything or a man who has little to nothing? I'm curious as to what you think of that."
That's a little broad and is mostly circumstantial.
I see a lot of hard working immigrants registered or not. They're here to make their dollar whether it's legal or not. However you can't really claim that all black people aren't doing something. I mean you already live in the most racially diverse yet most horrendously racist country in the world. Would it be too far off to think that all the racism is just bread into you?
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^first off, how come you're not signed in lately BB, just wonderin?
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"I was under the impression i was in good company with like minded metal heads,"
considering EVERYONE here disagrees with you in some major way, that statement is bullsh**. none of us seem very "like-minded" with you TimW.
Not to mention, I'm with Cynic; what the f*** Metal bands do you listen to?
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436. writes:
LOL @ Jamez. That made me laugh hard :) Well, we apparently were dealing with an American maniac here, so we're not too far off, are we?
Bristbowe, I asked the question out of curiosity. I know this site ain't Philosophy 101, but I was curious. I remember when me and my family first came to Canada, me and my brothers occasionally stole because we didn't have much money for food. Not like I wanted to steal, but when you're a kid and you're hungry, what are you going to do? I know it isn't a crime on a larger scale as compared to other things, but it's still considered a crime, is it not?
Gorec***, you are smarter than him, and probably also stronger as well.
Also... I love clicking on random profiles on the Innocence Project's page and going through a bunch of profiles of back people and when I finally find a white guy on there I'm like "OHMYGOD!" lol. Just had to say that :P
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449. writes:
And Tim, what do you have? I can list for you what you don't have. Oh and by the way, nice job, after losing arguments with me (Your tiny mind unable to compete) you resort to the "Internet Tough Guy" mode. Yes, that will take you far.
Oh, and while I'm at it, maybe just something to get your baby nuts in a bunch: I've f***ed many women of most races. And after I ditched most of them, they still wanted the c***, the white women especially missed it. They were the ones who usually called the most and clung onto me the hardest before I dropped them.
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^I can smite through MY computer screen. It's a good thing I'm not a white supremecist, otherwise 90 percent of this site would be dead by now.
I dont understand why you idiots cant do it. all you have to do is nazi salute while standing on your tiptoes and do 8 backflips while belching the letter H repeatedly. and then you smash your computer and stop spreading your ignorance around the world. You should try it sometime TimW. :)
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456. writes:
no you wouldnt. Me and you both would be ranting about how there needs to be a giant metor striking the earth to wipe out all the Christ-o-saurs. lol
And then there would be funny pictures depicting human jesus instead, and we would laugh and postulate how we would totally be believers if jesus was a dude instead of a raptor.
it' still funny though.
But one has to wonder, if Jesus was a raptor, does that mean Judas would have been a T-rex?
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475. writes:
You know, if Varg gets out, releases an album, and somehow managed to get bandmates and go on tour...I wonder if any opening bands would do Mayhem covers and wear corpsepaint to resemble Euronymous and Dead...If none, I'd start up a band right now just to do that.
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1. Johnny Boy writes:
Great news!!!! Soon black metal will have its hero back!