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Lamb Of God Banned In Los Angeles Forum Once Again, Replaced On Metallica tour by Machine Head

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Lamb Of God has been replaced my Machine Head on the Los Angeles dates of the Metallica tour. Here's the announcement from Metallica:

"As you may have heard, the owners of the Los Angeles Forum have a little issue with our friends from Lamb of God, so unfortunately they will not be joining us for the two shows at the Forum on December 17 and 18. That's the bad news... the good news is that our bros in Machine Head are rushing back to the States from Europe to step in on those two nights. And of course no show would be complete without The Sword kicking things off, so they'll be there too."

Lamb of God was previously banned from performing at the church-owned (then-named) Great Western Forum in April of 2005 on the Subliminal Verses tour with Slipknot because church leaders were offended by the group's previous name, Burn the Priest.

In a statement on the band's Web site, drummer Chris Adler called the church's decision back in 2005 "a bit ridiculous."

"If they had taken the time to look into what we do and who we are as a band, I don't think they would have made the same decision," he told The Associated Press in 2005.

"They have made it clear that they do not want us because of our name, our show and our crowd," Adler said. "The word from the powers that be is that Lamb of God is not the wholesome family fun that the good people of Los Angeles deserve."

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1. MetallicPunk writes:

To me this is just stupid I mean their name isnt even that band name again so for them to do this yet again is a bunch of crap,Whoever owns this venue must be really uptight.

# Oct 9, 2008 @ 10:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. XWigglesX writes:

That's how the world works dude.

# Oct 9, 2008 @ 10:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. SHREDDER13 writes:

I find this to be insanely pathetic. The owners of the Forum are acting like babies.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 12:22 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. DemonMyhre writes:

Why would a church own a venue where metal bands play? Or am I missing something here? I mean, I know not all metal bands carry a certain disdain for religion, but many do. So what's up with that?

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 1:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. bbristowe writes:

"The owners of the Forum are acting like babies."

normally I'd say that that is a pretty childish statement. But in this case, it's entirely true.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 2:57 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. saintjuanpablo writes:

why cant DOWN play the forum better!

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 3:13 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. brettTHEjett writes:

the name slipknot is just as provocative as lamb of god
what the f***? the fact it has a three letter word in it?

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 4:46 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. I have a life writes:

You're all geeks and wirdos.

Get a life. Metal is sh|te

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 5:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. IrishMetal writes:

And you're posting here why? Next time have a valid opinion instead of spewing stupidity all over the show.
Anyway.. I just find it funny that because they're religious they should ban Lamb of God from playing there. Its pretty pathetic. And besides L.O.G is wholesome family fun. Wat are they thinking?
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# Oct 10, 2008 @ 7:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. murder667 writes:

could you imagine what would happen if a satanic owner of a venue banned a christian band lol...just think about it.
neway. this church is leting machine head play in LOG's spot..hmm...apparently they never heard of the song halo? "christian conspiracy lyric"

it just shows how ignorant these people are.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 8:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. the almighty jake writes:

"the name slipknot is just as provocative as lamb of god
what the f***? the fact it has a three letter word in it?"

- dude, slipknot is not a provocative name, jack ass.. a slipknot is a type of knot used to begin a knitting or crochet project... OH sh**! didn't know christians were against homemade blankets...

but, i do agree that it is stupid that machine head, of all bands, took their place.. and even more stupid that slipknot was able to play and not log! RETARDED!

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 9:10 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. dmasa writes:

f*** religion

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 9:19 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. brandedcfh420 writes:

just shows how trully pathetic christians are. their religion is a facist religion based on fear and oppression. they believe in free speech but censor those that are not of their religion. to any christian who wants to flame me for what i put i dont care. why are you following a religion that has no actual proof of what they profess??!! christianity is the real enemy of the american people. bow down to an invisible diety that murdered the world....FUK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 9:23 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. Cr4wf0rdTxJ1ng0J4ng0 writes:

good. they should ban them everywhere else, too.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 9:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. brandedcfh420 writes:

dam crawford, do you need to get laid or something? the last week or so you have been on a hate filled rampage...just asking...lol

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 9:53 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. Cr4wf0rdTxJ1ng0J4ng0 writes:

I'm not really in NEED, per se, but, hey, it couldn't hurt. What's your mom doing this weekend?

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 10:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. brandedcfh420 writes:

shes prolly sitting at home. go see her. lol....

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 10:50 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. KanadianKoRn writes:

Thats f***in B.S! Ignorent mother f***ers!

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 10:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. Sellouts writes:

The sad part is that the show will go on. Really - metal has always been more then just loud music to me. It was attitude - a sense of the self. To know that a band is being banned from a show based on a name - in America - is pathetic. If Metallica cared about anything besides money, they would boycott the venue - or at the very least scrap their playlist and play an entire Lamb of God set.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 10:55 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. citrus_tea writes:

Nice to know that Christian organisations in the USA have their priorties right. It is precisely these kind of religous zealouts that give the Church such a bad name.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 11:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. brettTHEjett writes:

post 11:

obviously the context taken for the USE of a slipknot over rides a simple animal of the creator.
lamb of god refers to a small, sheep like animal that would be tossed around by jesus the Shepard back the old days. big f***ing deal

f*** Christianity...my family somewhat disowns me because of my lack of believe but when bullsh** like this is pulled CONSTANTLY it only exemplifies my point.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 12:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. AlliedFront676 writes:

666 lol

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 12:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. That_One_Guy writes:

LMAO, that's hilariously sh*tty. Stupid pricks banning a band because of their name... haha.

Now playing: Children of Bodom - "Smile Pretty For The Devil"

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 12:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. Kalis_wrath writes:

I hate LoG's music, but I think this is incredably stupid! I mean Burn The Priest could be Burn the Satanic Priest, or Burn the Wiccan Priest!

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 3:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. df writes:

Christianity like all religions is only a dominant religion because of choices made by rulers and their respective nations in history. I mean Christianity was just another pagan religion before Constantine made it "official".
I always love when Christians say that they have faith and you cant take that from them but what you should inquire is how they got that faith in the first place. The most popular answer to this is probably through parents /guardians of the person in question. What is instilled in them if pressed home firmly enough will stay with them and then they pass it on . Its simply indoctrination and although many are able to pull away from these "holy books" (written by men 2 millennium ago in the case of Christianity) , many more dont and live a life of anxiety over "sin" , whether they will be entered into "heaven" and whether they fully adhere to the bible.

In truth all but the most evangelical of people could ever follow fully such a hypocritical and contradictory piece of edited text. If they were to fully follow it, they would find it acceptable to commit child abuse (Issac Abraham) , gang rape (Judges 19:24-29) , belief that one should suffer and sacrifice themselves because of mistakes made by your predecessors and ancestors ( the whole story of Jesus Christ and the tribulations he undergoes.)

i could go on but i just felt the need to post this . Thanks for reading :)

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 3:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. XWigglesX writes:

The bible was not written two million years ago. Do your homework before you rant.
I hate Christian Straight Edgers. You can't be religious and edge, it is all about a clear mind and a healthy body. Religion is telling you what to think and feel.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 4:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. brandedcfh420 writes:

hey wiggles doesnt the x in your name and on your avatar mean straight edge?....just asking...and wiggles, millennium means thousands not millions!!!

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 4:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. IrishMetal writes:

Wiggles you eejit he said two millenia, or two thousand years ago. And I'm pretty sure that he isn't at all religious, judging by what he said.
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# Oct 10, 2008 @ 4:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. IrishMetal writes:

dammit branded you beat me

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 4:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. XWigglesX writes:

It is early here man I'm sorry my bad. Yeah I am straight edge. But I'm not religious. Farrrrr from it. My town has 5 chruches. 5. And there is only 3000 people here.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 4:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. brandedcfh420 writes:

hahaha. sorry irish...websmack me later for it...lol...

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 5:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. XWigglesX writes:

Hahaha ever seen that Family Guy episode, "hey I just got an email from Mr. Pewtersmith!" *fist comes out of the monitor and smacks Peter out*
Lol lol lol I love Family Guy so much. I have every single dvd. Good sh**.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 5:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. SHREDDER13 writes:

Family Guy is great but not as good as Beavis & Butthead.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 5:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. SHREDDER13 writes:

The only thing I hate about family guy is that they copy a lot of jokes from the simpsons. Overall, both shows are hilarious!

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 6:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. XWigglesX writes:

Haha I never really got into it. I liked the movie though. Hahaha I love it when they were on the plane. Family Guy is my favorite. Followed by The Sopranos

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 6:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. Cynic writes:

Playing Devils (Gods?) advocate here, I can almost see a justification for what they're doing - Actually murder667's post made me think - What if this was the opposite way round? If a Satanic venue rejected a Christian band would we be up in arms or supporting the right to fight against the evil Christian empire? Because obviously people who believe literally in Christianity would be justified in fighting what they saw as a one way trip to hell for those oh-so innocent youngsters.

However in this case it is pretty stupid as the Forum obviously hasn't done much study on the band - I mean Lamb Of God aren't exactly Deicide...

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# Oct 10, 2008 @ 6:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. DeathInEye writes:

To Cynic - Personally I'd have a problem if a Satanic venue rejected a Christian band. But I actually dislike religion or faiths in supreme paranormal beings in general, not just Christianity. It's only the most oppressive because it's the most "popular".

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 6:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. Sin-X writes:

Damn those bastards, i do agree Lamb of God isn't Deicide (if it was i would totally agree with the place on banning do to religious matters though i would still be p***ed) oh well religion is just security for those too blind to follow their own path.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 7:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. XWigglesX writes:

I like that last line in your post.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 8:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. brandedcfh420 writes:

hey kalis....HAPPY B-DAY!!

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 8:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. Dakota Winston writes:

This is seriously so upsetting, I was looking forward to seeing my new favorite metal band playing along side my all-time favorite metal band SOOOOO MUCH!!! Though, Machine Head is awesome, I've already seen them but I've never seen MetallicA or Lamb Of God, this makes me furious.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 8:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. XWigglesX writes:

Well take your fury onto the streets.

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 9:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. Fuck_A_Name writes:

Hey branded you should go to the "angry buttfold" chat thread we have goin on. kalis is on that one talkin to people about her birthday and whatnot, so you should give your regards over there.

I know it's not a Metallica thread, but i think you can find it anyway lol

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# Oct 10, 2008 @ 9:08 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. brandedcfh420 writes:

right-o FAN

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 9:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. SHREDDER13 writes:

brandedcfh420 is right...
Happy Birthday Kalis...
Hope all is going well...

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# Oct 10, 2008 @ 10:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. ATTILATHEHEN writes:

They don't want us because of our name, show,&our crowd-isn't"churchianity"supposed to be about acceptance?"Not wholesome family fun that the good people of L.A. deserve"-I would take any member of my family to a show like this,rather than sit in a Sunday service with phonies&hypocrites&backstabbers;I also feel safer&more relaxed at a 'metal'concert than a guilt-trip,brainwashing"revival meeting"-do the research;organized religion has ruined more lives&killed more innocent people than ANY metal band EVER will.Post#19,Sellouts makes excellent points;I wholeheartedly agree with him.I'm curious what religious"group" owns the Forum(anybody know?)

# Oct 10, 2008 @ 10:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. ultrametfan writes:

This definitely sucks. I'm not into the whole organized religion thing. I am religious and do believe in a higher power. To those who claim that religion is (any negative word), I'm sorry for what Scientology has done to you. The way it has severely affected you and the way you live (by the way, I am not here to convert anyone). I apologize for all those massive evil Buddhist killings. Buddhism is right there next to Nazism.

Let me use the tired saying: You can't see air, does that mean it don't exist?

One last thing: it hasn't been PROVEN that there isn't a god. Sorry if you have been burned by religion. There is no proof that suggest an absence of a holy power. Before you flame me, KING f***ING DIAMOND said that. Take that, atheism.

# Oct 11, 2008 @ 4:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. XWigglesX writes:

Whoa. They were some really good points. You're a smart one. Buhddism next to Nazism? Please.

# Oct 11, 2008 @ 4:12 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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49. bleh writes:

ultrametfan, you were doing well untill you started with the whole buddhism thing, after that it went downhill :P About air not being visible and all that, air is a proven thing, we do know it exists, a higher being like a god isn't proven, and can't be proven by anything known today. I don't believe there is a god, that doesnt mean it's not out there, show me proof of a god and iI'll believe, untill then I choose to be an atheist (btw, respect atheism if you want atheists to respect your own religion).
On topic; sad, but wouldn't be the first time something similar has happened when it comes to religion.

# Oct 11, 2008 @ 7:26 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. IrishMetal writes:

Ultrametfan is a moron. Ever hear of Russels kettle? He told people that he believed there was a tiny kettle floating around the earth but it was so small that no technology earth could fabricate could ever see it. But it was definitely real because he knew it was there. Or do some research into the invisible pink unicorn. See how your argument is flawed? There may be no proof against the magical space fairy but there is equally none for its existence.
Buddhism isn't a religion persay it's a way of life, they strive to better themselves and achieve self-enlightenment, and don't offer homage to some random deity that sprung out of old pagan religions centred around seasonal deitys and worship of the mother goddess.
Ultimately even if there was a creator god who started the universe, there is no way it hung around for billions of years then told some desert people what to do. And to quote 4chan - Scientology is a cult. Do some research into it and you'll see that ordinary Scientologists aren't the happiest people around. Religions may have the right ideas at the heart of it all but they mainly go about it the wrong ways and fail in their goals.
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# Oct 11, 2008 @ 7:52 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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51. XWigglesX writes:

Buddhism is very similar to Straight Edge in the search for self-enlightenment and a quest for a sense of self.

# Oct 11, 2008 @ 8:46 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. BrianSD writes:

I'm sure L.A. has another venue, the show should've moved to a different location. This happened when Slipknot toured as well and the show just went on without Lamb of God, I'd personally rather see Machine Head, but if it was my show (Metallica/Promoters), LoG plays or the LA Forum would get to miss out on $15 parking, $6-7 beers, $4 slice of pizza...you get it. Multiply those times
8-10,000 each night.

# Oct 11, 2008 @ 1:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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53. Terminator writes:

ultramethead - blind people cant see anything. humans cant see ultra violet light, but butterflies can. there's a star that burned out 100 years ago, yet at night you still CAN see it, but that star no longer exists. can you see my point? (no pun intended).

# Oct 11, 2008 @ 3:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. Cynic writes:

Yeah even though everyone has pretty much put ultrametfan in his place I still have more to say.

"Let me use the tired saying: You can't see air, does that mean it don't exist?"

We can prove air exists though, can you prove God exists?

"One last thing: it hasn't been PROVEN that there isn't a god." &
"There is no proof that suggest an absence of a holy power."

It hasn't been proven there is one either, which is more important. The burden of proof lays with those who make claims.

"Before you flame me, KING f***ING DIAMOND said that. Take that, atheism."

Yeah but King Diamond is awesome, and you're not.

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# Oct 11, 2008 @ 6:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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55. MOrrison writes:

Sweet, machine head is way better than lamb of god anyways.

# Oct 11, 2008 @ 6:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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56. DeathInEye writes:

I may be wrong...but on a hot, humid, sunny summer day, you CAN see air on the hood of a car, or rising from a grill. The heat and humidity cause the air thicken and you can see it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

# Oct 12, 2008 @ 1:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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57. BIG WAYNE writes:

its okay if they dont play at the dirty a$$ forum....u can walk with me in hell as they headlilne smaller venues that week!!! f***EN' EEY!!!

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58. KanadianKoRn writes:

Hey ULTRAMETFAN, with what i just heard from that post up there, I bet youd argue that there were never any dinosaurs that walked your "gods" earth, wouldnt ya?

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59. Fuck_A_Name writes:

What the f*** are you talking about dinosaurs totally did exist. Jesus killed em. It's in the bible look it up.

oh, and btw, deathineye on post 56 officially wins the entire argument, so shut up.

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60. Drewbacca writes:

This is to DF. Nothing in the bible is contradictory. If you study the book with people it can be deciphered. The Isaac/Abraham thing wasn't child abuse. God was testing Abraham's faith because a individual is supposed to put God above everything. Even family. According to Christianity, God comes before everything in this current spectrum of reality. As a result God stopped him before he could kill his son because of his unwavering faith. I'm not familiar with the "gang rape" incident but i'm sure the bible doesn't condone gang rape. Cmon now dude. Really? Just using your satire to escape responsibility. Even if you don't believe in the Bible, if you study it in a bible based church it establishes a solid moral foundation. Which more and more people are avoiding these days. About the L.O.G. thing......quite stupid.

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61. XWigglesX writes:

FAN wins this with post 59. Hahahaha

# Oct 13, 2008 @ 12:09 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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62. IrishMetal writes:

Sorry to tell ya Drewbacca but -"God is not like men, who lie; He is not a human who changes his mind. Whatever he promises, he does; He speaks and it is done." - Numbers 23:19

"So the Lord changed his mind and did not bring on his people the disaster he threatened." - Exodus 32:14
Contradiction right there lad.

# Oct 13, 2008 @ 6:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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63. Drewbacca writes:

Exactly, God isn't like man when it comes to decion making. It didn't say God never changes his mind. He's a Deity when he changes his mind, not a human. God doesn't make decisions riddled with temptation like the human race does. Even if I am wrong and you can find a paradox in the bible. I'm sure it's not anything that we can't reach a consensus about. That's what church is for. Discussion of the text. But it's boring so I don't go. :p

# Oct 13, 2008 @ 7:51 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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64. df writes:

1."If you study the book with people it can be deciphered."

Tell me, who are these special people who can decipher the bible , did these special people know the people who wrote the scriptures and the 66 books in the bible and know what they meant when they stated how you should live your life?

2."The Isaac/Abraham thing wasn't child abuse. God was testing Abraham's faith because a individual is supposed to put God above everything. Even family. According to Christianity, God comes before everything in this current spectrum of reality. As a result God stopped him before he could kill his son because of his unwavering faith."

Perhaps the fact that god stopped Abraham killing Issac in the end made it morally correct? well ok then ill give you another example with a more tragic conclusion . In judges chapter 11 the military leader Jephtha said that if god would allow him to defeat the Ammonites then he would sacrifice his only daughter. After defeating the ammonites jephtha carried this out and cooked his daughter , god didn't intervene on this occasion , maybe he was away on another errand or forgot or maybe it is because he is a malicious god, or perhaps it could be a giant contradiction because the people responsible for judges and those responsible for genesis were different.

3."I'm not familiar with the "gang rape" incident but i'm sure the bible doesn't condone gang rape"

Read it then , i gave the whereabouts in my previous message.

4."Just using your satire to escape responsibility"

hmm, i don't mean to sound patronising here but i think you have completely misused this phrase. How am i using satire? and what responsibility? i am somewhat confused on this point.

# Oct 13, 2008 @ 8:19 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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65. IrishMetal writes:

You can also read in Genesis 19 how Lot was going to let his daughters be gang raped instead of the "angels" he invited to his house. Surely this highlight's how most women in the bible were treated as little more than mercantile goods, and this just shows that Lot was willing to have his property damaged instead of two "angels" subjected to a gang rape? Or are you an advocate of the Old Testament laws regarding slavery, kosher foods, leprosy etc being flawed and obsolete now?
Contradictions. "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham" GEN 22:1 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
To name a few. Or in the formation of Israel Joshua - See the entire book - destroyed 31 kingdoms slaying almost all he came across. Included among these cities was Ai, which at the time was non existent and mite have consisted of a few tents, instead of the great walled city described.

Inaccuracies are rife but there is no real point in arguing because there are so many different ways to interpret the bible that almost everyone can prove themselve's in the right
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# Oct 13, 2008 @ 9:34 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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66. Txmetalhead writes:

To Branded - I don't agree with your stand against Christianity - on the other hand, I don't want to start an argument about religion. I just don't see the logic in your statement. I am Christian, but this has nothing to do with that. How do you know that this venue owner is a Christian? Man corrupts everything, that is in our nature. To sin -because we are of the flesh. You have your views, and you are entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree with you.

# Oct 13, 2008 @ 11:02 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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67. Txmetalhead writes:

I have felt the presence of God - of course I can't see him - but he has taken good care of me. He has allowed me to find a job, taken care of my family, given me hope in humanity, even though I am worthless piece of sh&t. Sinful by nature. Perhaps, it is because I have faith in God. I almost died once, but I think that God had a reason to keep me alive. I accept people on here who are atheist, wiccan, satanic, etc., and don't b**** about their "religion". Why attack Christianity because one person or a "church" banned LOG from playing at the L.A. Forum? I don't agree with what the forum did - but they were obviously offended by the name Burn the Priest. It is easy to scapegoat God for the problems in our lives, I just don't think it is right.

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68. That_One_Guy writes:

Also, ultrametfan, you can see air (your breath) on a cold day, too.

# Oct 13, 2008 @ 12:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. billytewes writes:

of course the chuch would own a venue where metal bands play. they dont care who plays there, as long as they are getting their precious money. Church= money machine to allow their priests to preach ridiculous sermons to blind followers.

As long as the church is making money, they are able to stay in power.

# Oct 13, 2008 @ 5:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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I have felt the presence of God - of course I can't see him - but he has taken good care of me. He has allowed me to find a job, taken care of my family, given me hope in humanity, even though I am worthless piece of sh&t. Sinful by nature. Perhaps, it is because I have faith in God. I almost died once, but I think that God had a reason to keep me alive. I accept people on here who are atheist, wiccan, satanic, etc., and don't b**** about their "religion". Why attack Christianity because one person or a "church" banned LOG from playing at the L.A. Forum? I don't agree with what the forum did - but they were obviously offended by the name Burn the Priest. It is easy to scapegoat God for the problems in our lives, I just don't think it is right.


Are you sure that "YOU" aren't the reason for all of these things. Why do you believe that God delivered you a job and a family and all of the things you are thankful for when it was probably YOU who created these great things for yourself. Dont believe in a God that delivered good graces to you, believe in yourself. Inner strength is the best prayer you can have, not investing belief in an imaginary god.

# Oct 13, 2008 @ 5:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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71. Txmetalhead writes:

Listen I respect your comments. I just believe that I am a gift from God-...I don't know. Like I said I could have died in a hospital, how did I save myself? The surgeon saved me but I believe, God had a part in it. God has a purpose for me, as well as other people. Once again, I stick by the belief that people use the church or God as a scapegoat to cover up the problems that they have brought on to themselves. He(God), not me, has bailed me out of a lot of tough situations, and that is from a higher power. I still love metal, don't get me wrong, but it won't change my belief in God. In fact, metal is one of my vices. Metal helps through a lot of crap in my life, but I have no doubt that God helps those -who help themselves. Man/Woman are the cause of their own misery, not God. My opinion, though.

# Oct 13, 2008 @ 5:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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72. Cynic writes:

You said it all Txmetalhead - you don't know. If you're religious chances are you're a) not well educated or b) been indoctrinated from birth. But by all means, all of you can choose to waste you're brain on Christianity if you wish it's your choice.

Christianity is something in particular I spurn rather venomously but baseless beliefs in all I view with disdain.

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# Oct 13, 2008 @ 6:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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73. IrishMetal writes:

Yeh Cynic I agree. I don't want t stomp on peoples beliefs but I will put up arguments if people act as if they're right and patronising to other people. As long as they don't take religion too seriously and don't let it block their full enjoyment of life I don't mind. But they can argue all they like about the proofs against evolution etc - fact is we don't need to be told how to live our lives. My family are fairly religious presbyterians and i was pressured into taking communion but as soon as I turned 18 I refused to be pressured into going to Church anymore - Me da made me work all mornin instead haha.

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# Oct 13, 2008 @ 6:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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74. Drewbacca writes:

Wow! To the lion's den I go. Haha! I didn't start the patronising. DF did with his SATIRE! What you said was satirical and you are evading responsibility to your faith because of your theory that God is an angry kid with a magnifying glass. If you even believe in a higher power at all.

"In truth all but the most evangelical of people could ever follow fully such a hypocritical and contradictory piece of edited text. If they were to fully follow it, they would find it acceptable to commit child abuse (Issac Abraham) , gang rape (Judges 19:24-29) , belief that one should suffer and sacrifice themselves because of mistakes made by your predecessors and ancestors ( the whole story of Jesus Christ and the tribulations he undergoes.) "

I'm no literary genius but that's satire. I thank you and Irish metal for your examples of "contradictory text" but i'm not going to sit here and justify every example for you. That's what church is for. The "special people" you are refering to are not thousands of years old but you don't have to be to understand the bible and know the difference between right and wrong. I think it's possible for teachings to be passed down from generation to generation accurately. We can continue this debate but ultimately the outcome will remain the same. You won't convince me that the bible is tripe and when we die we just become maggot food, and I won't be able to convince you that the bible doesn't contain words passed down from a bumbling hypocrite invisible man that encourages gang bangs, child abuse, scat, midget porn, stoning of puppies, crabcakes made from clown innards, and whatever else you think jesus practiced.

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 4:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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75. Cynic writes:

There are so many lyrics that seem appropriate right now to go with Drewbacca's post (yeah I'm a big death metal fan) but the best seems to be... (anyone can guess?)

"To see the interior of a dark coffin
What is it like to be inside dead..?
Is there something I might perceive,
Or is it just infinity...?
Viley maggots swarm within stale pus,
Accelerating rate of putridity...
Thought patterns preserved in energetic form
Or is it lost, lost in infinity...? ...Fierce...

Is there something that I might live,
Or is it all lost in nothingness...?

Weakened tissue starts rapidly to degrade
Under progressive foulness, former vital organs
Are replaced by a clumb of corpse tumors
Is that what expects us in the deep -
Just corpse tumors...?"

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 6:10 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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76. Txmetalhead writes:

I am educated, but I also accept criticism for my belief in God...that is called maturity, my friend.
Yes - I was raised in a Christian home, but my life was not great, we had problems... I just had a complaint about branded's statement on 13 about how this deity(God?) supposedly murdered the world. Give me some facts on why you feel that way. I could easily blame Satan/the devil for all my problems, but that wouldn't solve anything-I would still have the same problems. I will just let this end. It all started with that statment, but I know that this is not an appropriate place to discuss our differences of opinion on religion.

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 12:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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77. IrishMetal writes:

Well said Tx. I have nothing against your moral system, as long as it isn't shoved down my throat, but I just felt like inserting my opinion, using facts and direct quotes, rather than just sayin the bible sucks etc etc.
I've made my point and will say no more about it on this thread at least.
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# Oct 14, 2008 @ 12:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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78. Fuck_A_Name writes:

i don't really have a problem with christians or their ideology, it's just not my thing, but i respect their belief in something that to me doesn't make sense lol.

What i really want, is to have a religious debate with Mormons on here. Although i doubt Mormons listen to anything more interesting than their own bullsh**, so going on a metal site and finding one is out of the question. i've had a few funny conversations with mormons in real life though, one in which i tried to convert them to Satanism, One where I pretended i followed Allah, and that they were super-infidels, and another where I pretended to go along with what they were saying, but kept making them contradict themselves because i knew as much of their scripture as they did haha. Silly Mormons.

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# Oct 14, 2008 @ 1:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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79. brandedcfh420 writes:

ok, tx, in the bible, does it not say that god flooded the earth to kill the people who he felt were wicked??!! thats what i am saying. the god of christianity, MURDERED, the worlds population at that time. lets just say a baby was born on day 2 of the rains that preceeded the flood. WHAT SINS HAD THAT BABY COMMITED IN THE EYES OF GOD? im not smacking you for your beliefs at all. what you believe is your right to believe. but, im not going to follow any religions that mankind has made to suit his own personal greedy needs.

through history, millions have been killed for mans "gods". religion is one of the most corrupt and dangerous idealologies. there are so many religions that worship the same god, but they are at war or at odds with other religions.

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 2:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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80. SHREDDER13 writes:

^ Well said!...

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 4:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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81. brandedcfh420 writes:

ty shredder.

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 6:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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82. XWigglesX writes:

I agree. So many people have been killed in the name of religion. It is funny how the most extreme religious people are either very smart or very un-educated. I have no respect for religion. None at all.

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 8:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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83. bbristowe writes:

Religion has murdered nothing but the free will that this "god" has bestowed upon us. The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad. There is not enough love and kindness in the world to give any of it away to imaginary beings. God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it. Man will never be free until the last government is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

""God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 8:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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84. bbristowe writes:

Oh and for all those people preaching god in here. If God doesn't like the way I'm living, let him tell me, not you.

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 8:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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85. Fuck_A_Name writes:

Don't blame war on religion, please. As much as I hate religion, that is a false accusation. people are the reason for war, they are the reason for conflict, for violence. If there was no religion, people would still find reasons to fight each other. Religion is just one of the many scapegoats.

Please don't say that if you can help it. :/

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 8:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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86. Kalis_wrath writes:

I would like to add that if a Satanic venue banned a christian band it would be wonderful! It would only be a taste of their own medicine as christians have done nothing (with the exception of a few followers) but percicute that which they do not agree with.

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 8:22 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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87. DeathInEye writes:

Fight descrimination with more descrimination. Makes sense. Or you could support the candidate who might fight religious descrimination...Oh, wait, I forgot you're republican.

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 9:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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88. Kalis_wrath writes:

No Death, you forget that I am Libertarian. I support McCain, a Rebublican, but that does not make me a Rebublican. And yes, when people are given a taste of their own meds tend to not like it. So, I say give em a taste, see how they like it.

# Oct 14, 2008 @ 10:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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89. Drewbacca writes:

I agree with F. a name completly on that subject. Imagine a world without religion? I don't think i'm better than anyone who doesn't believe in christianity or anything for that matter. I.e. agnostic, apatheism, ect. What's interesting in those beliefs is that they don't believe that there is or isn't a god. Belief in a higher power can never be debunked, nor can it be fully proven. God purged the land with flood because mankind became absurdly corrupt and wouldn't heed his word anymore. Old testament God didn't give a F*ck, he had no hope for us. Everything "wrong" morally in our eyes that god commited I believe was for our own good. It shaped us to who we are and who we are supposed to be.

Irishmetal, what bible do presbyterians read? I know it's highly influenced by calvanism but is it different in any way?

Cynic, what lyrics are those? I like!

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 12:09 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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90. Cynic writes:

"Imagine a world without religion?" - What are you, John Lennon? :P

"Belief in a higher power can never be debunked, nor can it be fully proven." - no, but since there's no evidence for it what's the point in believing? And if you say there is, then that would be grounds for debunking. I won't start on the whole free will/omniscience thing if you don't!

The lyrics are from Necrophagist's "Advanced Corpse Tumor". Here are some more you might like, they're from Gorgut's first album, the song is "Disincarnated".

"
Have you ever thought
Where your soul will be
When you'll lie to rot
Die physically

Being so fascinated
By those mysteries
I've began some weird
Out of my body

I saw a light
In front of me
It blinked my eyes
Invited me in

Forever will shine
This tremendous light that drives me blind
When I got behind
Control was no longer mine
Meeting those who dies
Those who've been here before I arrived
I should have stayed behind
Only incarnation can now bring me back
To mankind

[Lead: Luc Lemay]

I'm where souls are lost
For eternity
I shall never come back
To reality"

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 12:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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91. XWigglesX writes:

Ever seen that Simpsons episode where they say "could you imagine a world without lawyers?" and everyone is dancing around in a big circle? That'd be a world without religion.

In other news. On the train toMeshuggah!

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 12:40 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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92. Kalis_wrath writes:

Hope you have your body ready to mosh like a king! Meshuggah are going to kick your arse!

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 12:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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93. bbristowe writes:

Do you believe in fate drewbacca? You were born to serve a purpose right?

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 2:34 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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94. bbristowe writes:

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 2:40 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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95. Drewbacca writes:

Haha! Well I will say this. I prayed for my band to have success. (at least as much success a prog death metal band can achieve,) Not even a year after my band formed we bumped into a dude who wanted to manage us. He has booked us shows with Mushroomhead, Divine Heresy, Skeleton witch, Within Chaos, The Funeral Pyre, Soilent Green and more. It's debatable whether or not this is coincidence but I choose to believe that our existence and future is preordained. There isn't anything to gain in a godless world to me. If this life is it then that would be anticlimactic in my opinion. I however could be wrong. :-/ Just have to wait and see. I liked those lyrics as well! I should've known the other ones. I love Necrophagist!

Well said bbristowe, We deserve to suffer, but we deserve happiness as well. Not everyone is given these feelings in fair doses. However miniscule our purpose my be it has some relavence.

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 3:39 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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96. Cynic writes:

Does your band have a myspace page? The plight of the prog-death band is forever present - but persevere because while it might not make you rich, you can get some cool fans :P

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 3:44 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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97. Fuck_A_Name writes:

Ya, what's your bands name at the very least.?i myself have really been getting into prog-death lately, and it would be really cool to listen to a band that has a member of this site in it, kinda trippy maybe actually. Like, wow, that's a good bass line (OMG that's DREWbacca!)

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 3:52 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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98. XWigglesX writes:

Kalis I have been in a Converge pit. They bring the mosh.

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 4:30 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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99. Drewbacca writes:

Haha! Sure!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=215174407&MyToken=dd675193-7c66-4518-b9c1-43bfe5d2989e

Don't listen to the audio files though. For they are 7 months old and suck complete balls. They're not even death influenced. We lost our singer/drummer and in our little podunk town finding a metal drummer is a near impossible feat to achieve. Add A.P.E. as a friend and I let you guys know when we put decent recordings on the site. Thanks for the interest. You're gonna laugh your a$$ off when you see what the band name is.....

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 5:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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100. DaveTheViking writes:

Why dont they just go whole hog and invite Gorgoroth to fill in for them.

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 7:56 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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101. IrishMetal writes:

Drewbacca as far as i know its just like any other bible. Its the way its interpreted that might be different, the calvanist influence is only apparent in how the services are conducted. I'm pretty sure it's a bog standard bible. I didn't pay much attention when i had to go to church because it actually made me feel physically sick at times. Strong reaction i know.
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102. brandedcfh420 writes:

f***_A_Name writes:
Don't blame war on religion, please. As much as I hate religion, that is a false accusation. people are the reason for war, they are the reason for conflict, for violence. If there was no religion, people would still find reasons to fight each other. Religion is just one of the many scapegoats.


numerous people out there let their religious beliefs cause conflict and war. you may see it as a false accusation, but history shows the truth...

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 9:52 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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103. That_One_Guy writes:

Branded, earlier you wrote,

"lets just say a baby was born on day 2 of the rains that preceeded the flood. WHAT SINS HAD THAT BABY COMMITED IN THE EYES OF GOD?"

I disagree with what the Bible says on this subject, but according to the Bible, simply being born is a sin. When you're born you have "original sin" from your mother and father. That's why Christians say you must be baptized at birth, to "wash away the original sin" and be accepted into the Kingdom of God. Personally, I don't see how a newborn child could be guilty of sin, seeing as they have no idea what's good and what's bad, let alone what they're even doing. Condemning a child to hell because he/she hasn't been baptized yet seems ridiculous to me.

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# Oct 15, 2008 @ 11:14 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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104. brandedcfh420 writes:

t.o.g., were you agreeing or disagreeing with my post?...just asking..

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 12:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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105. That_One_Guy writes:

I agree with you completely. I was just answering your question with what Christians believe, not my beliefs. In my eyes, no child is a sinner (unless they know for a fact that they're doing something wrong, in which case how do we know that they know?), especially a newborn baby.

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 12:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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106. Drewbacca writes:

Thanks Irishmetal, just curious.

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 7:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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107. Dark_Funeral writes:

as late as i am to this, christians to the lions!

and if you cant blame war on religion how do you explain the muslim suicide bombers blowing our troops up to get to heaven?

# Oct 15, 2008 @ 10:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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108. Drewbacca writes:

I don't think that's christianity buddy. If I was promised 7 virgins in the bible then I would be just ashes in the wind right now. I'd suicide bomb Axl roses house! Then i'd get like 45 virgins! Man's greed and lust for power are the key components for just about every war. Al Queda hates America period.

# Oct 16, 2008 @ 7:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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109. theharpy writes:

I am just waiting for Tipper Gore to come out with another Filthy 15 list.

As a business owner, they have a right to do whatever they want. That's the problem with religion and business being mixed together, and why seperation of church and state are so important. So get your asses out and vote. :)

Is it ridiculous? Definitely.

Oh and That_One_Guy -- it depends on which religion you are speaking of in regards to original sin and children being born sinners. Some churches believe that babies and children are exempt until the concept of free will takes place. Others believe that children are born of God and therefore and not born sinners but become sinners.

I was raised in an Irish Catholic family. I do not denounce Catholicism - it is good for those that like to beat themselves up and become poster children for those of low self-esteem. I've been to a Southern Baptist Church, Assembly of God church, Lutheran Church, Methodist, Church of Christ, etc. I even went to a service of a serpant handler held in homeboy's living room. At one time I was on a quest. The one thing that each of these things have in common is that people are going to pick the pieces of the religion that suit their daily lives, and forget about the parts that don't - essentially becoming the same people they despise.

So now I am Asatru. I have no one to tell me I am not good enough. I have no one to talk about smashing infants against rocks and quartering pregnant women. I have no wrathful God that is going to create the most gnarly horror movie during the coming of Christ. And I have no whack jobs telling me that Hurricane Katrina happened because it is the beginning of the end times and we are the most sinful place in the world. (Personally, I think where Vlad ran rampant would probably have to be the most evil - or the sites of the inquisitions were many were unnecessarily murdered because of THEIR religious beliefs, or any of the places mass genocide has occurred, but the Born Againers think it is New Orleans and I live here - that is so metal - but I digress)

I have my code to life by and the only person I let down is me. I am ego-centric enough that it works for me. :)

# Oct 16, 2008 @ 9:29 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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110. theharpy writes:

Dark_Funeral,

That is people hijacking religion to use it for a justification for years of resentment. I was in the Middle East shortly after 9/11. Some of the places I went were downright scary. The hate felt towards me had nothing to do with the fact that I was an infidel as I was there with other infidels from other countries and they did not receive the same treatment as me. It was the fact that I was an American. It's politics, not religion, but religion is used as the recruiting tool because who dare speak out against Allah. Gasp!

# Oct 16, 2008 @ 9:31 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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111. Txmetalhead writes:

haha - Well I said I was done with this topic of discussion - but thanks Branded for the explanation. It makes more sense to me now. God brought flood/flooded the world for his own reason, I can't even fathom to know what that was. As to my other metal friends on here - thank you for respecting my faith as a Christian, and relationship with God. I truly appreciate it. The world is not perfect, but there are good people in the world who make this world a better place to live in. Stay Metal till the end of time.

# Oct 16, 2008 @ 10:36 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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112. brandedcfh420 writes:

right-o txmetalhead....

# Oct 16, 2008 @ 10:48 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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113. That_One_Guy writes:

theharpy,

About the different sects of Christianity and their views on original sin... I knew that already, but I guess I forgot to mention it, but thank you. And congrats on being Asatru, I think it's a great religion, and I've been looking into it myself lately. Problem is, I don't really know where to find good information on it. Any recommendations? As for your views on 9/11 and the Middle East (post 110), I agree with you completely.

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114. SlugEmperor writes:

original sin is a pretty cathollic thing to my knowledge. I dont know. But im a christian, and i love Lamb of God, so who cares.

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115. SlugEmperor writes:

I'm pretty sick of you guys ragging on christianity, it's people in power that use it for manipulation. Whether or not you agree with any christian views PERIOD, there is no reason to say that their views ever have ever brought decadence to the world, it's been other things with religion. It's not like the bible tells anyone to hate or judge ever so when it actually happens it isnt an actual religious thing but a person thing. Your taught through to care and love not anything else, so even if you hate christians, they arent THAT horrible. It's just control, power and manipulation otherwise, just watch There Will Be Blood, it's a really good movie.

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116. brandedcfh420 writes:

so what slug, we dont care.

# Oct 17, 2008 @ 4:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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117. SlugEmperor writes:

hmm and yet you put so much effort into making a comment of how horrible it is into every forum. I think some people care enough. Otherwise black metal probably wouldnt even exist anyways.

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118. SlugEmperor writes:

and muslims dont start war, that would be generally hypocritical for a muslim. radicalism does

# Oct 17, 2008 @ 6:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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119. XWigglesX writes:

Bullsh**. When I finish work I'll explain how you are wrong slug.

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120. IrishMetal writes:

SlugEmperor you are horribly wrong on almost all accounts - have you even read the bible lately? ur views are stupid, pointless and the bible teaches many different things according to which part you read. and there will be blood has no bearing on what you say, so why direct people to it?
it may be a decent movie but the christian outlooks are stupid. People in power, i.e. dubya, are very often religious themselves so u just shot urself in the foot there. As you say christians may not be horrible but the fact is that the church does nothing except give them a good feeling about themselves. Time better spent doing something constructive. and if you bring up the charity argument, fact is those people would still give to charity without the church telling them too, and therefore overall more money would go to charity instead of refurbishing churches as well

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121. Drewbacca writes:

To each his own, you people go off the handle when someone "patronises" another for their beliefs and claim they are "contradicting" themselves but then turn around and do the exact same thing. The best thing to do is just agree to disagree because obviously we don't care what each other have to say. We believe different things and can never find a happy medium in this discussion. It's just going from interesting to hateful and a consensus in the matter is unachievable. Don't get me wrong. I respect everyone's opinions and beliefs but this is literally a endless debate.

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122. Christfucker writes:

Lamb of God should've kept their original band name. When I first heard about them, I thought they were Christian Metal.

# Oct 20, 2008 @ 12:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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123. SlugEmperor writes:

Well i didn't read anything in that other than you're stupid, and what i said didn't apply to anything. And yes i am sure i've read more of the bible than most people. But what can you do, you aren't aloud to say that Christianity is good because we need them to blame for our problems.

But i do believe this isn't going anywhere as well. Although it isn't an endless debate, eventually we'll die.

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124. Blindgreed1 writes:

I'd rather see Machine Head anyway. MFH\m/\m/!!!

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