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Behemoth Frontman Nergal Facing Prison Time Over Bible Tearing Incident In Poland

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Gazetaprawna.pl has reported front man Nergal (Adam Darski) of Polish death metal band Behemoth has officially been charged with insulting the Roman Catholic Church, which is a crime in Poland that carries a penalty of up to two years in prison. The charge stems from an incident in 2007 when Nergal tore a bible apart on stage and referenced the church as being a murderous cult. A video of the concert that caused the charge can be viewed below. Nergal has stated that tearing apart the Bible was part of his artistic work and was not meant to offend religious sensibilities. More details on the case will be announced as they are made available.

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1. IrishMetal writes:

-.-

Really now.

I like his reply though.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 12:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. Simon writes:

Seriously? People do much worse than rip a copy of a Bible up and get away with it. Religion causing more problems for metal...

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 1:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. KREDD writes:

as if he cares about religious sensibilities. you can't rip a bible apart and not offend ppl. common sense.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 1:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. hellrat writes:

hell...even sinead knew you can't get away with insulting Rome anywhere except the free and mighty usa

the nergal dude picked the wrong place to express his 'artistic' persuasions...and, how fvcking cliche can ya get??

hardly worth any criminal charge whatsoever...pretty fvcking juvenile, really

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 2:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. BodomBeach writes:

Poland clearly don't have many other crime issues....

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 2:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Plibt writes:

ouch. i wonder how this is gonna affect Behemoth. Too bad he wouldn't be going (temporarily) out with a bang. Ripping a book? Meh. Now killing a lamb on stage, br00t4l. i joke of course i love the aminals :]

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 2:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. TheMidnightCowboy writes:

If Nergal goes to jail for that...it would just take the cake as the stupidest f***ing thing ever. You can't lock up Behemoths main man for saying "f*** religion". sh** like this is why i hate organized religion, you can't send a man to jail because he doesn't share you opinion and worship the same god that you do.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 2:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Cynic writes:

Great publicity - I mean they're Polish and standing up for freedom of expression and at the same time appealing to their anti-christian demo. Not that they'd do it for that, I'm just saying it works well for them.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 3:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. metalmayhem writes:

i highly doubt he will go to prison. The Polish government and the Roman Catholic church have been going after him for years and have not succeeded. The only thing I dont understand is as intelligent as Mr. Darski is he probably should have known that tearing a bible may have given them the ammo they needed to finally bring charges against him that stick.....Oh well, Behemoth rules

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 3:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. God_Of_Wrath writes:

Oh no, he tore up a book! What an awful criminal! Sure, it's fine for religious slaves to denounce metal, but how DARE someone challenge them. His comment that the RCC was murderous cult made me laugh. And we all know there is truth in humor.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 3:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. metalrox555 writes:

The fact that it's against the law really shows how ignorant people can be about religion still.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 3:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. TheMidnightCowboy writes:

#8 - yeah man i didn't even think of that. He certainly got his message across.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 4:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. metal as fuck writes:

f*** this better not affect behemoth. f***in hate religion. p***ies

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 4:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. LordAssenfroth writes:

i think behemoth itself is more important to the world than the entire nation of poland. i cant think of one thing that comes from poland that is as popular in the U.S. as behemoth, besides another metal band (vader, decapitated blah blah f***ing blah) varg should of been workin the churches in poland instead of norway. LONG LIVE BEHEMOTH!

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 4:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Riku writes:

what thats amazing

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 4:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. EsotericSurgery writes:

f***ing RETARDED. Seriously. HAIL BEHEMOTH!!!!!!! Freedom of speech/expression for the win.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 4:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Hollow writes:

Funny how religious people can murder innocent animals to please their gods and rape children and get away with it.

But when their book is ripped, WOW! Watch out.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 5:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. Demise writes:

That's just f***ing stupid

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 5:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. deathmetalPL writes:

People, don't talk s***t about country you've never visited and many of you couldn't even localize on a map...
Who the hell are you to say if it's right or wrong for him being sewed? That's the democration,isn't it? Somebody is being ofended then he goes to the court with it.
For your information: more than 80% of Poles are declared catolics. Adam was aware of the consequence and took a shot coz he knew that would create a scandal that will give his band more fame. And you guys shouldn't be worried, this acusation it's not a biggie, he won't go to the jail, probably he will just be forced to pay some symbolic compensation for a catolic charity found, not a big deal isn't it?

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 5:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. silvergenie writes:

lot's of people do the same thing and get away with it. Poland had a Pope before this Pope but so what, it's just another country if you ask me. I can think of 4 or 5 other bands who did this before. I gues just Poland has more issues or whatever. Someone needs to tell Poland that Catholic priests have been raping same sex kids and one in a while even girls at the age of 14 etc. for a very very long time and only recently did anything at all happen to even address THAT problem. Not to mention daily rules and regulations get broken all the time by so-called christians commandments etc etc. Double standards triple standards, whatever! It's stupid over ripping up some stupid book!

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 5:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. Blindgreed1 writes:

IRISH METAL!!! Sup fvcker? Where you been?

BTW #19: I believe the word you were looking for was LOCATE. Not localize. LMFAO. Sewed? Why would anyone sew Nergal? Has he fallen apart? I thought Nergal ripped the bible? Did Nergal get ripped? lol. Please tell me you're Polish and that english is NOT your first language so that I may cut you some slack.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 6:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. deathmetalPL writes:

#21:Yep, I'm Polish. Yep, my english definetly needs some improvement i assure you that i'm working on it. But netherless you understood what i meant to say, didn't you?;)
The fact that Nergal has been charged is because he broke the law and that's final. I just don't understand why people here on this site are so shocked with this fact.
For me a bigger problem in Poland is the fact that in the past few years some metal gigs of good polish bands where banned by local autorities for religiuos issues. That's what i call a problem man... fortunately it involves just two polish citys but still it just should not happen in a democratic country. I herad that the same story happened here in US during The Faceless tour with meshuggah, is it true??

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 6:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. PuckettJp2 writes:

what, all b/c of f***ing religion???

The Roman Catholic Church is oh so perfect, perfect
PERFECTLY INFURIATING!! THEY MAKE ME CRAZY!!

religion is a myth dammit

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 6:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. metalrox555 writes:

To the person who is defending Polish law. Yes, it is the law and if he didn't want to get arrested then sure, he shouldn't have done it. What I'm saying is I really don't like how a Country can have that law because I enjoy having my freedom of Religion. I'm atheist personally and while I accept all religions, I love how if I wanted to rip a bible and wipe my a** with it, I could because that's freedom of religion.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 6:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. deathmetalPL writes:

metalrox555: I guess you have a different definition of freedom;) I don't care if it's a Bible or Tora or Koran, i just don't like when somebody is offending people. The same way I don't like the brainwash that the Church is doing and the way it's trying to involve in politics..
I just think that music should not be involved in any discussions of that sort. What Adam did was stupid.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 6:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. Cynic writes:

deathmetalPL - The issue with The Faceless was that a privately owned venue didn't like the lyrics of the band, so it was a slightly different situation.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 6:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. dmasa writes:

nergal is a badass mother f***er

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 6:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. thegoosegoblin writes:

While I do think the law is a bit silly, as a sovereign nation it's Poland's right to have this kind of legislation as long as it doesn't infringe on basic human rights. Surely he knew what he was doing was against the law there. If you violate a law, you face penalties.

I do think there's a degree of irony among metal forums- it's so easy to lash out against other people's beliefs, particularly religion, but when a favored band or artist is in someway insulted or harassed, everybody's up in arms.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 6:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. deathmetalPL writes:

metalrox555: Adam didn't get arrested!!! In Poland you don't get arrested for crimes of that sort, that would be extremely stupid:D

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 6:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. Mike! writes:

This sucks. Poland has to get over this catholic crap! It is just a book, there are plenty more in this world. Nergal was just expressing his thoughts on how he felt. We all do it everyday. I seriously can not wait for the day Catholic, Christians, Mormons, etc. all fall. That day will be a day of bliss indeed. Best of luck goes out to Nergal!

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 7:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. Rotting Christ writes:

hahahha wtf is that sh** he insulted the church is that a joke???if i remember correct 4 days ago a big head in vatican got arrested for gay affairs and i sure they are many more that molesting kids isnt that a bigger crime????? f*ck the church F*ck Religion Get a life!!! bahemoth next time burn a cross in the middle of St Peter

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 7:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. IrishMetal writes:

I'm lurkin about Blind ;)

Post infrequently, cuz I get sucked in and spend too much time, but I'm always here for my news.

Miss the debates though. Just not the same since the forums got up and running.

To the guys sayin he broke a law, and was in full knowledge of doing so, it's a fairly stupid law. Some are made to be challenged. That said, it's been going pretty civil so far in this thread :)

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 7:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. Spirirt In Black writes:

The days when religion ruled the world were called the Dark Ages....nothing has changed it seems

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 8:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. brian guillot writes:

I f***ing love behemoth..let them do watever the want on stage..poor poland my a$$ they'll just hav to suck it up and get over it

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 8:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. Lijemo writes:

Good grief. Two years? For tearing up a mass-produced copy of a book of which there are millions of absolutely identical copies available?

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 9:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. deathbringer writes:

Having never heard of previous incidents of the sort, one might think this sort of religious zeal is only observed in places like the middle east where freedom of speech and the like are not observed. It isn't too hard to see why this sort of behavior might be a surprise to many people coming from a European country if one didn't already know about the laws and over-sensitivities there.

The other part of the outcry is over the idea that religion is untouchable and a country would support this. Not so far away, you've got a cartoonist mocking Islam and outcry that he was getting death threats. Then you have this in Poland.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 9:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. Lijemo writes:

If he was tearing up a Guetenberg or the Book of Kells that would be one thing-- that would actually be destroying something of artistic and historic value, whatever one thinks of the ideas expressed within.

Tearing up a copy of a mass-produced book, on the other hand, is a purely symbolic act. I know I'm preaching to the choir (ugh, no pun/irony intended) to rant here about why that should not be illegal, but gah.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if the wingnuts managed to get laws like this passed in the U.S. in the not-to-distant-future. They seem determined to turn this place into a theocracy.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 9:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. Master_Randomizer writes:

Stupid christians; Are they going to imprison people for saying god d***it next?

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 9:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. Divine†Atrocity writes:

May there be no toleration for the Roman Catholic Church's blight upon humanity as well as all of the followers

Christians to the lions!

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 10:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. deathfreak writes:

That does not surprise me at all.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 10:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. Armageddon writes:

I am a christian and i find the fact that they are charged him wrong. that fact that he tore the bible is wrong to me, but that is his freedom.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 10:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. dimentian writes:

since when are pols roman catholic? if u tear any other book do you go to jail?, and are roman catholic priests cops and molestors at the same time? i expect more church burnings for this!

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 10:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. Dasher10 writes:

As somebody who considers himself a classical liberal/left-libertarian, I'm shocked that a member the the supposedly more enlightened EU would still have blasphemy laws. This completely demolishes my opinion of Europe as a nexus of negative liberty.

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 10:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. 57,musicologist writes:

once when Behemoth played outdoors @ the Pound in S.F. (club no longer exists) 1 of the drummer's cymbal stands partially fell over, not only did he not miss a (blast)beat he even kept on slammin it! Considering recent vatican sex scandal hopefully this will blowover soon. Looking forward to seeing Behemoth again!

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 11:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. RTB writes:

Ripping a bible is an artistic expression?
BULLFAHQNSH!T
Its an attention seeker, a ratings catch, a way to boost popularity, bla bla bla...artistic expression, my azz...he must think the people of poland are gonna buy that....you dont like it nergal, migrate somewhere else...
He has that big of balls to rip a bible, why doesnt he rip up the koran?...No matter what country your in it ll get press, probably more so because muslims may be more sensitive to that kind of act rather that christians/roman cathlolics......
It was a little kid stunt, meant nothing, showed nothing......that s the law,like it or not, he knew, you play you play.....

# Mar 10, 2010 @ 11:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. hellrat writes:

jeez...folk get so worked up over this kind of scheiss...but then, what's the predominant demographic here, 17...18?

look, this kind of rhetoric has been going on for eons...there's nothing new to be witnessed here, its been expressed by BOTH sides many times over

as someone above alludes; the 'bible' is a massed produced document of whatever worth it may be to its reader...in this respect, any individual copy of its general ilk is hardly a sacred 'relic' at all, and could be rightly considered 'expressionistic fodder' ANYWHERE...much as the goddamned shopping coupon mailings we receive weekly here...you can save yer damn dime, wipe yer backside, start the evening fire...it DOESN'T fvcking matter!

this is archaism at its ugly worst...an oppressive national enforcement of the Vatican's outdated standard, and some poor ol punk who thought he'd really give 'em the middle finger...

NO, that ain't never been done before :)

and i'll also add, Polska is a fvcking COOL place to check out...never lived there, but its beautiful and really quite amazing, and the people were great

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 1:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. metal2death writes:

wtf, this is soo sh**ty. i guess we ha1e to wait longer for new material

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 3:34 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. deathmetalPL writes:

Guys, I checked that information more precisely in polish media. He was charged for two things. 1: Bible tearing in a public appearance. 2: For the song "Chwala Mordercom Wojciecha" where he makes hommage to some polish barbarian nation from X century who killed st.Wojciech.
St.Wojciech is the patron saint of Poland and a symbol of martyrology. And Adam wasn't charged by Roman Catholic Church itself. He was charged by four citizens who saw the movie on youtube and concerned it as offensive.
Deathbringer: From you I would expect some more knowledge and openminded opinion. Compairing this situation in Poland to that with Dutch cartoon of Mahomet you showed ignorance,unawareness, which is btw, unfortunately a strong stereotype describing american nation here in Europe. I always tried to fight against this stereotype but this discussion here really made my confused.
There is a sightly difference between lawsuit and some massive demonstrations all over Europe with burned flags of Danemark and death sentences sent to the cartoonist.
If you don't see the difference, then I don't know if there is anything more to say from my part.
It's just sad.
Cynic: thanks for the info. I agree with your allusion - I think Adam planned it all. Great publicity indeed.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 4:46 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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49. wilco writes:

real stupid the whole thing

the only crime there is is the country them self
a bunch of bumb a$$ people who live there
nothing good comes from that country


poland is the mexico from europe

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 6:01 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. Heid writes:

Put the sissy in jail! Maybe then he will grow some balls. He should stand up for what he claims to believe in. Of course he wanted to offend the catholic church.

And so what if he did, what is this medieval times?

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 8:45 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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51. vaderjim writes:

i would imagine that the RCC oughtta be more concerned with priests buttf***ing altarboys than some Metal dude expressing his freedom of expression. it is ridiculous. Catholicism is a f***ing joke, anyways. thats what the hell i want at church, some dude in a goofy looking hat preaching in Latin to people who can't even understand what these idiots are saying. next thing you know, they'll be dragging Peter (Vader) before the Authorities for hanging himself on a cross in their latest Video.it's sad the youth of such a great country have to live under the thumb of Miscreants and Pedophiles hiding behing the robes of this so called"god incarnate on earth". dragging these so-called religious leaders into the streets and ripping them to pieces would be a step in the right direction.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 8:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. deathbringer writes:

Well deathmetalPL, I was not comparing the two situations directly and hold no such beliefs, so you can't really comment on how open minded I am. I was only offering two different incidents based on religion and contrasting the reactions to them based around the central premise of free speech. This was done in an effort to demonstrate why some people might be in shock about Nergal's situation and the ridiculous laws in Poland.

I, for one, am not in shock because this isn't the first time something like this has happened, but as someone who believes in free speech I cannot help to think it's utterly retarded. That's where I stand on the matter. I realize many countries have their own areas of oversensitivity (e.g. Germany on violence in movies and games), but the end results are typically so overreaching they are or border on ridiculous.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 9:14 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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53. deathmetalPL writes:

deathbringer: now you're talking with sense, still there were extremely different situations. Of course, both related with religion context but trully, it just can't be compared, Poland guaranties everyone to express his beliefs as long as he/she's not offending anyone. Of course, there are a lot of dumbass blinded by religion who are seeing enemies everywhere but i guess the same thing happen in every european country, f.ex. France(conflicts with the muslim minority).
I just wanted to say that the majority of people here are overreacting. The problem isn't that Adam was charged. The problem is that he gave arguments to some religious fanatics to say that metal music is bad for the society and that will affect polish underground for sure, in past years some gigs were banned and probably after this sh** it will happen again.
You say that there are some ridiculous laws in Poland. Well the same way I can say that some of your laws are stupid. You're in a country where someone can be charged for just for syaing that someone is black. Which is a fact, isn't it? How anyone normal could find that kind of statement as something offensive?
I'm p***ed at Adam because this whole situation affects badly the music. I believe in a music free from ideology and religion and he cynically mix this things together for his own purpose. And that's low.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 9:50 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. Blindgreed1 writes:

deathmetalPL: Slack shall be cut, so don't worry about your english skills. lol. I understand where you're comming from regarding expressing yourself without hurting someone else, but seriously... Who got hurt in this incident? Nobody. Someone got offended, not hurt and for that I don't believe anyone should be prosecuted or "charged" with anything. It's very simple. If you know it's going to offend you (not you personally), why did you look it up on youtube? You'll find people in the metal community are very touchy about stuff like this because it happens too often in our genre, whereas artists in other genres are free to do whatever the hell they please without any reprocussions.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 10:09 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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55. PESTILENCE writes:

Dont know what the problem is. I use the pages from the Bible and the Koran 2 wipe up my nut when I get done rubbing one out.

And 2 Rotting Christ. Post # 31. \m/\m/

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 10:57 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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56. deathbringer writes:

There's plenty of ridiculous stuff here (what you said isn't true though), but it doesn't make "non offesnse" laws any less so. How can you possible have freedom of speech and not offend anyone at the same time? You can pretty much say what you want in the US except that you want to kill the president. Even if you're not charged with a crime, you're still accountable for your words though (like if your employer wants to fire you because you make racist statements).

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 11:36 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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57. metalfan653 writes:

Why does Poland have this law? Especially when there's a lot of extreme metal in this part of the world, they know something like this is going to happen, Nergal was just the person to do it... I agree that in a way this is lack of freedom of speech...

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 11:41 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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58. hater_guy writes:

you know, if christians can talk down about 'sinners' and 'evildoers' and all kinds of 'bad people' can it too work both ways? tearing up the bible. i see nothing wrong with it.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 12:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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59. Analguest writes:

no reason to panic, just because he is being prosecuted doesn't mean he is going to jail, he won the first case ,than the other guy appealed so now nergal gonna win again anyway , polish people are not that stupid
plus nergal is a celebrity now in Poland due to his affair with a polish singer/model DODA so doubt they will do anything to him

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 12:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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60. Eric J. Bitterman writes:

WTF!?!? Is this the 21st century or the 16th? The right to free expression should be a given in this day and age. I feel bad for the Poles to live under such repression. I agree that Nergal probably did this strategically, but that does not excuse the reaction ( or over-reaction) of the Judaical system there. I did not realize what a strangle hold the Catholic Church has on that country. I also realize America has it's problems, but I could do a lot worse in public then tear up a bible and there would be no consequences. As far as the offense laws go in Poland, I find The Jonas Brothers (and the Disney Company) to be EXTREMELY offensive, does this mean I could have them banned, or better yet imprisoned, if I could find 3 other people to go along with me?

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 12:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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61. toxicclown writes:

damn

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 1:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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62. METAL213 writes:

f*** YES! That is the sh**

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 2:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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63. DeathInEye writes:

France is apparently considering offensive laws as well, like speeding tickets.

Metalrox555: as has been said, this isn't a freedom of religion issue, it's a freedom of speech issue. Catholics can still exist in Poland. This matter is about whether or not they can be criticized.

As far as Nergal's comment about not wanting to offend religious sensibilities: I think he's delusional but I believe his intent was to make a statement about the commercial and political power of the Catholic Church, not its theology, hence the tearing of its central, mass-produced book.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 2:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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64. Spellbinder writes:

This is f***ing sh**!!!! steupz!!

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 3:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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65. metalrox555 writes:

Believe me, I don't like offending people either. I try to not do it myself, I never insult things like religion (Even though I disagree with it) or gay people, or retarded people, etc.. I just think that it shouldn't be against the law because I myself am a huge fan of separation of church and state (Although the US could work on it a little).

I think it's a combination of freedom of speech and freedom of religion issues DeathInEye. Because the way I see it is if a gay person was insulted there it would be no big deal, but make it a religious issue and the sh*t hits the fan. But I definitely agree that it's both.

Oh, and to Hellrat: IMO, your comment about people here being 17,18 is just ignorant. Yes, I'm 18 but I think I've made a pretty good case for my views and if you look at history, a lot of the reasons things that were unjust were ever changed were because of college students. Look at the civil rights movement and you will see a lot of it was done by college students who knew what was going on was ignorant.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 3:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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66. DeathInEye writes:

In the States, if a gay were insulted, it would be a huge issue. There's a supreme court debate about whether or not religious fanatics can protest against gay soldiers at their funerals (maybe they've decided, I haven't paid much attention to the news lately). Different issue anyway. This about whether or not an artist, a public figure, can openly criticize the Catholic Church durring a performance, an aspect of his art. This is not about whether the Catholic Church should be allowed to exist and practice its theology.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 3:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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67. LordAssenfroth writes:

i really think this is all just stupid

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 3:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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68. MetalBro4Life writes:

Seriously, FÜĆK POLAND AND ALL RELIGION!

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 3:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. Blindgreed1 writes:

DIE: Nice to see you back to being yourself again.

Irish: Come out of the woodwork more often. You are sorely missed.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 4:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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70. hellrat writes:

MR555--while its true that i really don't know much about anything whatsoever, the comment to which you refer is not meant as a slight on the youth...don't take it as such.

the kids are alright---sometimes just get a little excited

keep on truckin' young feller ;)

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 4:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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71. RTB writes:

Face>; palm, post 68.......brutal

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 5:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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72. Cynic writes:

Nicely put as normal DIE. I don't think he's delusional when he says it's an artistic expression, he's just trying to give himself as much wiggle room as possible - he is faced with jail time you know.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 5:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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73. brandedcfh420 writes:

BIBLE=TOILET PAPER!!!! TEAR DOWN THE CHURCHES!!!!

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 5:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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74. xDecapitation writes:

This is pretty jokes. If you're religious I understand why you would be offended, but there are bigger problems in the world, and wtf are you doing listening to Behemoth if you're religious anyways?

I wouldn't worry about jail time I'm sure this will all blow over.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 5:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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75. snowhysteria writes:

in 2007 only one person in poland was offended (there had to be at least two people offended so that the issue could be considered and some actions taken).
some time passed. few politicians gathered and thought they would be more 'popular' (elections and stuff) if they did something good for the poles. unfortunately, it was nergal they picked and sued. considering the fact that the majority of poles are christians and religion = politics, it's obvious why they did it. it's all about votes.

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 6:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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76. DeathInEye writes:

Thanks BG1 and Cynic

# Mar 11, 2010 @ 8:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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77. Spaghetti_Motel writes:

Anyone ever heard of the Polish car pool?
everyone meets at work

# Mar 12, 2010 @ 2:30 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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78. RTB writes:

Damn branded....religon has ruined your life like everyone else on this thread too....LOL
Oh well, i know religon and the MU dont go hand in hand, i just believe in not sh!tin on one 's belief or faith....think its bullsh!t, but oh well, carry on jesus haters

# Mar 12, 2010 @ 3:26 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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79. Blindgreed1 writes:

Spagetti: LMAO!!! Good one.

# Mar 12, 2010 @ 10:12 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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80. brandedcfh420 writes:

yo rtb!! how ya been bro? yea, christianity only showed me the greedy, facist side of humanity (minus a few true christians i know, who i will open my home to if they needed a place to stay).

# Mar 12, 2010 @ 10:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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81. Metalheadx1x1 writes:

This is why nations should have complete seperation of chruch and state. I mean really..."insulting the roman catholic church" is a crime? If I lived in Poland it looks like I would be serving a life sentence. I figure this is all going to be forgotten about and Nergal will just keep on touring and releasing epic music as he always has (also, i might expect him to a little something extra next time he plays a show in Poland).

# Mar 12, 2010 @ 10:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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82. Johan Mouridsen writes:

Who gives a sh**? The band sucks anyway. That should be punishment enough..just being in Behemoth.

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83. Master_Randomizer writes:

^Why do you give a sh** enough to post to something about a band you don't like anyway?

# Mar 12, 2010 @ 1:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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84. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

it seems that a lot of people think that he just did this at the one show. He does this at a lot of the shows in America and around the world. The problem was that he's a polish citizen and did it. This same thing happened to Gorgoroth back in 2004 with their DVD Gorgoroth: Black Mass Over Krakow DVD. It was confiscated by the police and they were almost put in jail. It's bullsh** to put someone in prison because they just said something that you don't like
N.P-Behemoth-Inner Sanctum

# Mar 12, 2010 @ 7:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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85. RTB writes:

420 lmao....
Everything in so cal is roses...thanks for asking

# Mar 12, 2010 @ 8:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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86. Analguest writes:

guys i am polish and i hate it that nergal is being prosecuted because he teared the bible, but what you have to understand that if it wasn't for the catholic church we would probably be still under comunist goverment if not a part of soviet union,that is why the church is so strong in my country and if it wasn't for the church there would be no vader,behemoth or decapitatded, furthermore there might have never been independence in poland,czech republic,slovakia,lithuania,ukraine,germany and few others.

# Mar 12, 2010 @ 9:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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87. FearTheReaper writes:

Awhh yes, the slaves truly serve hypocrisy. Behemoth fans need to form a support group if this gets out of hand.

# Mar 12, 2010 @ 11:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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88. thegoosegoblin writes:

I agree with #86. Communism is teh suck. Thanks for speaking up.

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89. HarvesterOfSorrow18 writes:

im supposed to be seeing them on the 16 april in sydney..does this mean that their tour could be cancelled??

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 2:16 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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90. utoad9 writes:

In the eyes of the Catholic Church - Homosexual child rape, OK - The Nazi Party,OK, Subjugation of women,OK- Making birth control illegal,OK Ripping a work of fiction.PUNISHABLE BY PRISON! (alright maybe not the church,but the Polish govt....but you get the idea).

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 8:35 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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91. the messenger writes:

what everyone fails to realize is that rome and the Bible have nothing in common. the roman catholic church isn't a Biblical church - rather, ANTI Biblical ! therefore, i understand some peoples frustrations towards the catholic system - but holding The Holy Scriptures responsible for their actions is unwarranted.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 10:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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92. the messenger writes:

get angry at rome - yes !!!! tear up the Bible - NO !!!!! they are NOT the same.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 10:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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93. xFiruath writes:

There's nothing more amusing than watching members of the same overall superstitious cult (who all follow the exact same book no less!) talk about how other members of that cult in different denominations aren't following the book properly.

I think you've missed the point, the messenger, about why Nergal was tearing up the Bible. While he was in fact specifically referencing the Catholic Church, I'm fairly certain Behemoth is against all sects that follow the Bible. Whether any given person is Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Charismatic, Apostolic Pentacostal, or any other denomination - the Bible still tells you to stone your kids to death, murder the next witch you come across, and forbids you from eating shrimp. That last one alone makes it worth tearing up.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go blast some Behemoth, eat some shrimp, and not murder some witches.

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94. decapitator94 writes:

LOL at xFiruath's comment, but i disagree... its the christians that are wrong and not the bible... i never saw anything about stoning people to death or burning witches in the bible, but as we all know it has been done...

The last part of the article = bullsh** ; i mean come on!! part of his artistic work? he WAS offending christianity and i wish he had the balls to say it... but he definitely doesnt deserve to go to jail...

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 11:19 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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95. xFiruath writes:

Decapitator94: For reference, the bit about stoning your kids to death can be found in Deuteronomy 21:18 - 21 and the bit about killing witches is at Exodus 22:18 (if that sounds familiar its because its just a few chapters down from the Ten Commandments).

I agree about him definitely trying to piss off Christianity, but I'm guessing he has to say that that wasn't his intention to try to get out of jail. It's an unjust law, and I don't feel bad about him lying his a$$ off to get out of punishment over it.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 11:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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96. Lijemo writes:

Actually, it surprises me when I see people target Catholics when then criticize Christianity, since here in the States, the Catholics are one of the saner, more reasonable denominations (relatively speaking, of course). It's the various non-denominationalists and Fundamentalist denominations that shoot people, fight more strongly against equal rights and equal treatment under law, and try harder to corrupt the legal system into a medieval-style theocracy.

These same Christianist theocratic loonies are also the strongest anti-Catholic voice in the US, calling the Pope the anti-christ, and saying that Catholosism in a Satanic cult. So picking on the Catholics is siding with the even more frightening Christianists.

It's a very different situation in Poland, I know. Nergal hasn't had to deal with the kind of people who hand out Chick Tracts and want to bring about the end of the world. (I wish they'd hurry up and have their d@mn Rapture already, so that the rest of us Left Behind's can go about trying to do what we can for THIS world without their interference.)

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97. happysatan13 writes:

Naming what's wrong with the Catholic Church in this debate doesn't make much sense, because Vatican Law isn't the issue, its Polish Law. It was just a Catholic Bible. Some countries limit freedom of speech a little more than America, and there are some decent arguments that that is a good idea. Let's say I insult the Prophet Muhammed in an image or in text, and publish it. Should I have the right to? Sure. But if it is reasonable to think that an angry muslim will try to kill me (and although I am not trying to make a generalization about muslims, it is somewhat reasonable), I am not just endangering myself, I am endangering my family, my friends, and my coworkers. Do I have the right to do that? Not at all. In such a case, it wouldn't be fair to say "free speech is only limited in reference to insulting Islam".

xFiruath: Yes, scripture states those things. And those texts are jewish. The Jews believe that the written text is only half of the scripture, and there is an oral component. Almost 2000 years ago, that oral component, as well as commentary on it and metacommentary, was written down for fear of it being lost to Roman persecution. This text is called the Talmud, and in it, it states that the death penalty was there to illustrate the severity of the crime, and the punishment was only used in the most extreme of cases. In reference to stoning your children, the Talmud states the the punishment was never used at all. As burning witches only an idiot would actually get burned. To qualify for the penalty, you had to be caught in the act, be warned, acknowledge the warning, and continue the crime in front of witnesses. Even then, you might not get death. One opinion recorded in the Talmud states, "A court that gives the death penalty once in 50 years is a murderous court."

So, we are talking primarily about Christians, namely Catholics. Please leave my people and their scripture out of it. You don't know anything about it.

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98. RTB writes:

Boy these posts are just getting better and better, now we re stereotyping the entire christian/cathloic faith as cults, ..........unreal...
You got good and bad apples in every bunch, exploiting the negative most of the time usually leads people to think, "ya, they re all screwed up"...it s shallow thinking to put a label on an entire religion, race, creed or culture, just because a few wackjobs do something unprecidented or juvenile but unfortunantly in todays society it happends far too often.
Surprised it took the messenger this long to comment on this topic, i figured he/she would have been in the top 10 of posts....

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 1:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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99. DeathInEye writes:

happysatan: I think you're interpreting information to fit your desired conclusion. B.C. times and even immediate post-Christ times were not that civilized.

While Nergal obviously has issues with Christianity, I really don't think he was making a theological statement. Tearing a bible does this inadvertantly, yes, but I don't believe it was Nergal's main intention, as he states. I still maintain that Nergal's priority in this matter was to make a statement about the commercial and drone mindset status of the Catholic Church, which in this instance are not theological matters. I know it's hard to swallow the idea that Nergal mightn't be doing this, but try, at least.

Also, this argument over the bible...Wtf? The Catholic bible is the definitive bible from which all other Christian bibles are derived. This is pointless. Certain denominations read it with different standard interpretations, but it's still the Bible. You rip "the Catholic bible," you rip the Christian bible.

I'm not even sure why the Jewish and Islamic scriptures have been brought up.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 1:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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100. Metal Massacre writes:

You know something, this is amusingly sad...just to know that there is a law for insulting the Roman Catholic Church...
What if I went to Poland, became a citizen and decided to create my own religion and then publish it... then someone buys it and rips it....should that person be punished? Just think about, you bought it ...its now in your own hands, don't you have the freedom to do whatever you want with it?
Its your property...and what if Adam decided that he didn't want to get video taped taking pages out of the bible? Would that person get charged with punishment? Or get rewarded?... A bible that holds writings of a follower...where is the truth in this? Thank "god" right?!.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 1:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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101. brandedcfh420 writes:

its getting very philisophical in here!!!!

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 2:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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102. jimmy j. writes:

Members of the Roman church can preform Sexual acts on boys and get away with it' but rip a bible look the f*** out.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 2:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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103. Bill writes:

2 years in prison??? holy crap. this makes me hate religion even more.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 3:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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104. utoad9 writes:

It's amusing to see xtians try to defend the indefensable.If you believe your bible (which I don't), God himself ordered the slaughter of innocent men,women and children...hundreds of thousands of them. And don't give me the "he works in mysterious ways" bulls***. The god of the bible is the single most immoral character in all of fiction. The book should be ripped up.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 3:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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105. weasel321 writes:

I get the basic idea of what people are saying here. I, personally, feel you should not deface the Bible. I do also understand the "freedom of speech" everybody keeps bringing up. Let me say this, speech might not be as free in Poland as it is in America. If you are in a different country you have to respect their rights and laws no matter how crazy they may be. If you think about it, several states in America have some crazy laws, they are just not in-forced. I may be way off base but, it's just my two cents.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 4:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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106. Lijemo writes:

Yup, if I DID believe in the God described in the Bible, I certainly wouldn't worship it. Capriciously amoral and vindictively cruel. And demanding that people grovel at it's feet in fear (hence the expression "God-fearing", as though living in fear were something to strive for).

The literalists are a batsh** crazy Armageddon cult. The non-literalists interpret the hell out of the Bible until they are claiming is says things completely different than what it says, yet still insist it's Holy Scripture. Their interpretations sometimes contain wisdom, but to claim it comes from the Bible requires contortions that would make circus acrobats jealous.

It's a book. It describes what a random tribe of desert nomads believed thousands of years ago, and what their laws were. It's interesting from an anthropological and archaeological standpoint, as is any other document that age. It is NOT a blueprint for living, unless you consider the edict to "kill every man, woman, and child, and take this land for yourself" to be holy words to live by.

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107. Lijemo writes:

Note my "Yup" was in response to #104; The following post appeared while I was typing so I hadn't seen it yet.

In response to #105: even if we accept for the sake of argument that one shouldn't deface the Bible, it does not automatically follow that it should be a crime with a prison sentence attached. There are plenty of things that I think people shouldn't do that I don't think should be illegal.

And Nergal wasn't "in a different country" and not respecting foreign laws. In case you missed the memo, he's Polish.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 4:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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108. BoltThrower writes:

I think the Church of Rome insults itself. What, with all its molestations and what not. Yeah, go after those that insult you, but let your "hidden" perversions remain.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 4:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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109. EsotericSurgery writes:

#104, I agree and disagree. What I don't agree with is that it should be ripped up. The teachings of Christ are some of the best words ever written. However, outside of Christs teachings you have a mass of mis-interpreted jargon that in most cases has been used to manipulate and enslave lots of good hearted sheeple....errr people. Do I believe Christ was a real man? I certainly do. Do I believe in what he stood for? I sure do. Do I believe in the mass manipulation of people in the name of this man? I sure as hell do NOT. #106 put it nicely with the remark of "god-fearing". That's what it comes down to. Enslavement through the fear of what will happen to you if you disobey. They took a good core of moral standards and built it up with all sorts of self-fulfilling prophecy and fairy tales. Jesus never claimed to be god allmighty, but a son of god. He said we are all sons of god. Infact if you actually read the bible he states that any man can tap into and posess the powers he displayed. There's a reason hindu's wear a dot on their forehead and a reason Buddhists do too. It represents the third eye (pineal gland), or in other words your spiritual gateway to intelligent infinity. God isn't external, it's in all of us. heh, there's my $0.02 for the day.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 4:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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110. Lijemo writes:

Yup. The Catholic Church (or Catholics in general) should look to it's shuffling around of priests accused of pedophillia to protect them from prosecution (and give them fresh victims in the process) before it complains about one of millions of identical copies of a mass-produced book being torn up.

That whole remove-the-log-from-your-own-eye-before-taking-the-speck-from-your-brother's-eye thing.

(And when called on their handling of the abuse cases, they tried to pass the blame again by trying to make it about homosexuality, when there were plenty of female victims as well. They just didn't get as much press. It's not about orientation, it's about freakin' child abuse. The respective genders of those involved are irrelevant.)

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 4:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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111. Master_Randomizer writes:

RTB: Hate to break this to you but there's way more than a few christian wackjobs out there.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 6:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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112. Hammerheart writes:

xFiruath for the win. I've got nothing to add to this; he's already covered all my points, lol.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 7:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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113. RTB writes:

Their ' s a % MR, i know their' s more than a few, but if your trying to sell me on half or most or all, ain t buying it

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 7:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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114. matthew writes:

here is the bottom line. christians, non-christians, you can both read this. just for knowings sake, i am an athiest.

the reason that angry anti-religious groups exsist is because you can not prove faith, and you try to over and over again. faith is something that exists in your head, and it can be practiced with others. but when you see it in law, as something that everyone has no choice but to accept, people get angry.
and why? because in all honesty, it's not everyones law. it's your law. if a christian or a roman catholic rips up a bible in a church, feel free to enact punishment as you see fit, as long as it abides by state law. but if you see someone ripping a bible on the street, or in a stage, they have the right to do so. you can persecute them because they disagree with you.

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 8:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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115. RTB writes:

Come on HH.....stand on your own brother
Weasel, and ESO, well put
Props to AG as well, that was an education in its self...checkin out, appologies for the rants

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 8:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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116. the messenger writes:

Xfiruath - goodnews !!! you CAN eat shrimp - Acts 10 ;-)

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 10:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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117. xFiruath writes:

The fact that he said I can now eat shrimp (that'll do - I'm converted! Bring on the talking snakes!) but didn't say I no longer have to stone my kids to death if they are rebellious has got me worried :(

# Mar 13, 2010 @ 10:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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118. Analguest writes:

and the old testament says that if you tattoo your body you go to hell and if you have sex outside of your marriage you go to hell unlerss you had sex with your slave then it is ok heh hard to understand religion

for me it's best summed up by celtic frosts aalbum cover to "to mega therion" where satan uses the christ on the cross as a slingshot and he is aiming at you, sometimes good things are being used/manipulated to cause harm/evil

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 1:34 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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119. weasel321 writes:

Lijemo (107) - Yes I do realize that but, I was trying to make a bigger, more generic point about the story and laws.

RTB (115) - Thanks

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 5:48 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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120. the messenger writes:

Hi xFiruath - it's really important that you understand the difference between Old Testament and New Testament - between Law and Grace. The apostle Paul stresses this point in Galations and in Romans. God's law (Torah) is holy and just (Rom.7:12). God can demand nothing less than perfection for He is a Holy God (Mat.5:20,48). The law was given to show us our sin (Rom.7:7) Therefore, by God's standards we ALL fall short - no one is excluded (Rom.3:23, 5:12) . Now this is VERY important and you NEED to understand this - The law condemns EVERYONE - not just disobedient children and witches - you must take the Torah as a whole. So what is the lesson here ? the answer is found in Galations 3:22-25 (please read). You see - the severity of the Old Testament law condemns the whole human race - so our ''impotency'' to conform perfectly to God's Holy standard is in itself a revelation that God HIMSELF must intercede on our behalf. That's why Paul said - ''O wretched man that i am ! WHO shall deliver me from this body of death ? '' What was his answer ? - '' I thank God THROUGH Jesus Christ our Lord....'' (Rom.7:24,25a). Only through Christ can a person be redeemed from the curse of the law (Gal.3:13). So, to conclude - the severity of the law (Torah) was to show us our NEED for Messiah - Jesus Christ - the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world (Colosians 2:14-17, John 1:29 please read) amen.

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121. matthew writes:

religion. is. dumb.

you only believe in whats above me if you have faith. otherwise, it means nothing at all.

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 9:22 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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122. IrishMetal writes:

Post 120, nicely written and all, but it's just putting a spin on the bible. You can't pick and choose what you believe in it, no matter what prophets say, since they're just men, and by their very nature men are fallable.

Using Jesus and baptism as a get-out clause for everything is redundant and defeats the purpose of the threat of punishment. No matter how bad you are, you can be redeemed. That's an insult to anyone touched by "evil" and is such a messed up view that it's a joke.

Says somewhere only 144000 people get into heaven in the old testament (12K from the 12 tribes) but in revelations it says that people will be judged through the book of life. Which is right, and if the latter, 144K aint very much.

Either you take it as fact (fundies) or see it as a collection of (sometimes morally reprehensible) moral stories. Even those who do take it as fact ignore whatever parts they like. A book that sets down laws that are simple right and wrong isn't needed, and especially not with the ridiculous padding that surrounds those stories.

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 9:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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123. IrishMetal writes:

*12K from each of the 12 tribes

*Which is right, and if the latter, 144K aint very much* - change latter to former.

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 9:34 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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124. Diamond Oz writes:

Don't mind me, I just came in to laugh my arse off at the bands picture.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'll leave now.

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 10:05 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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125. hellrat writes:

and I came by to laugh at the spray of regurgitation on here....hell, a regular bunch o 'philosiphizers', with and a couple zealots thrown in for good measure...

seriously....silly business, funny stuff

now I gotta git...just got news that there are some VERY important antiquated passages that i NEED to go read RIGHT NOW ...its evidently REALLY fvcking imperative

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 10:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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126. Peter Parker writes:

Dude, I don't believe in some "all powerful man in the sky" either, but come on. Just play the damn music and let people believe what they want. It ain't christians going around killing innocent people these days, it's that cult in the middle east and I don't see any bands attacking that religion. Rip the koran up on stage and denounce islam and then maybe you'll look like you have a set of balls. Otherwise, attacking christians nowadays is like breathing. You ain't tough doing it. Badass song though.

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 10:55 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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127. Diamond Oz writes:

"it's that cult in the middle east and I don't see any bands attacking that religion."

Exodus. Go see them live it's an onslaught of anti-Islam statements. Or check out the song, "Children Of A Worthless God."

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 10:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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128. Peter Parker writes:

Man, I haven't listened to Exodus in too long I guess. Time to check 'em out again.

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 11:08 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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129. Diamond Oz writes:

They've got a new album out in May, I'm sure they'll be some kind of anti-Islamic lyrics on there, along with your anti-Christian message of course.

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130. brandedcfh420 writes:

The best way to end this is to let Gwar handle it! BRING BACK THE BOMB!!!!!!

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 11:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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131. religion raper writes:

soon to be added to all judicial systems...death penalty for burning a harry potter book

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 1:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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132. Analguest writes:

nile - kafir
another one hitting muslims

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 1:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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133. the messenger writes:

Hi IrishMetal - you brought up a few points that beg for an answer. 1 - As evangelical christians - we don't pick n choose what we want to believe but rather we let the Scriptures interpret itself. Forsure man is fallable - the Bible is clear on this point - but God isn't - even though He uses fallable men to accomplish His purposes - hence, we believe in the divine inspiration of scriptures (2 Peter 1:20,21 please read).
2 - Yes, Jesus is the only way (John 3:36, 14:6) but to reduce Him to a 'get out' clause is to minimize what God has truly done for us (John 3:16, Rom.5:8, 6:23)....but no where in scripture does it say that water baptism saves or contributes to our salvation. That is pure catholicism and antiscriptural. One of the theives crucified with Jesus comes to mind (Luke 23:39-43 please read). This man couldn't get baptised or do any goodwork because he was also nailed to a cross (Galations 2:16) - Hence, We sing Amazing grace (Ephesians 2:8,9).
3 - 144,000 - remember, like you said - we are not to pick n choose what we believe - and this is VERY important - therefore, you must READ the whole context of the passage where this is mentionned as well as comparing scripture with scripture - because the Bible is self interpreting. Read Revelations 7 - you will instantly notice that the 144,000 is in reference to jewish men specially chosen by God for a specific task during the 'endtimes' - therefore, this scripture still has YET to be fulfilled. So, to answer your question as to how many people will go to heaven ? The scripture is quite clear on this - read Rev.5:9. Many people draw wrong conclusions when they take scripture out of context. If we would take the time to read the Bible as a whole and to let it interpret itself - many of these wrong conclusions will disappear :-)

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134. samson writes:

wait.. this happen back in 07? and he is now getting time for it? or am i mis reading something?

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135. MetalMassacre writes:

"(March 14) -- As sex abuse scandals rock the Vatican, the results of an investigation into a rich, ultra-conservative and secretive Roman Catholic order founded by a priest accused of pedophilia and incest are due to be filed in Rome tomorrow.
"Maciel was a sexual criminal of epic proportions who gained the trust of John Paul II and created a movement that is as close to a cult as anything we've seen in the church," said author Jason Berry, one of two reporters who broke the Maciel story in 1997 and who directed a 2008 documentary about the priest called "Vows of Silence."
"But he got away with it for years and still in a sense he's getting away with it."
In 1997, nine former high-ranking seminarians accused Maciel, who died in 2008, of sexually abusing them when they were boys training for the priesthood. Last year, it was discovered Maciel had an illegitimate daughter born in 1986 in Spain. Two Mexican men who say they are Maciel's sons claim he also sexually abused them as children.
Even when the former seminarians went public in 1997 about Maciel's sexual abuse and filed a formal complaint with the Vatican, the church at first did nothing while the Legion and other high-profile conservative Catholics called them liars.
"He created a structure that allowed sexual abuse, financial fraud and spiritual improprieties to go completely unchecked,"
"The Legion by its very nature spawns people who lead double lives," said Lennon. "Maciel was certainly not the only hypocrite in the Legion but he was definitely the worst one." To read the rest :http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/secretive-catholic-order-founded-by-accused-pedophile-under-fire/19398262?icid=main|aim|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aolnews.com%2Fworld%2Farticle%2Fsecretive-catholic-order-founded-by-accused-pedophile-under-fire%2F19398262

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136. MetalMassacre writes:

"(March 14) -- As sex abuse scandals rock the Vatican, the results of an investigation into a rich, ultra-conservative and secretive Roman Catholic order founded by a priest accused of pedophilia and incest are due to be filed in Rome tomorrow."
"Maciel was a sexual criminal of epic proportions who gained the trust of John Paul II and created a movement that is as close to a cult as anything we've seen in the church," said author Jason Berry, one of two reporters who broke the Maciel story in 1997 and who directed a 2008 documentary about the priest called "Vows of Silence."
"But he got away with it for years and still in a sense he's getting away with it."
"In 1997, nine former high-ranking seminarians accused Maciel, who died in 2008, of sexually abusing them when they were boys training for the priesthood. Last year, it was discovered Maciel had an illegitimate daughter born in 1986 in Spain. Two Mexican men who say they are Maciel's sons claim he also sexually abused them as children."
"Even when the former seminarians went public in 1997 about Maciel's sexual abuse and filed a formal complaint with the Vatican, the church at first did nothing while the Legion and other high-profile conservative Catholics called them liars."
"He created a structure that allowed sexual abuse, financial fraud and spiritual improprieties to go completely unchecked,"
"The Legion by its very nature spawns people who lead double lives," said Lennon. "Maciel was certainly not the only hypocrite in the Legion but he was definitely the worst one."

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 2:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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137. Diamond Oz writes:

Jack's mother was very angry when he returned home with three magic beans so she threw them out of the window. Jack was amazed when he woke up because a gigantic beanstalk was outside!

And all the other ducklings were astounded because the ugliest one of the bunch had returned, no longer as the ugly duckling they knew her as, but as a beautiful swan.

"Why Grandma, what big eyes you have!" exclaimed Little Red Riding Hood.
"All the better to see you with my dear!"

Sorry everyone, I didn't want TheMessenger to be the only one here posting excerpts from childrens stories!

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 3:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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138. Peter Parker writes:

The Silmarillion is a WAAAYY better work of fiction than the Bible, and with less rape and incest.
Hey analguest, I just happened to be listening to Those Whom the Gods Detest when I read your post. Wierd.

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139. Cynic writes:

the messenger - A tip, if you want people to read your posts, use paragraphs - for gods sake.

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 4:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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140. deathfreak writes:

Wow you guys need to all chill out. This went from kinda fun to an all out religion brawl. Besides we all know what REALLY happened twas the aliens that did every thing.

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 6:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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141. hellrat writes:

no kidding about the godamned fairy tales...serious fvcking sh!t right there

hell, my own dad used to brainwash me as child with corrupt stanza's of his own interpretation:

....little miss muffet sat on her tuffet
eating her curds and whey
well, along came a spider and bit her on the a$s
and ruined her whole fvckin day

and I really fvckin believe, goddamn it! YOU all should too, its for yer fvckin SOUL man

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 6:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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142. killernofiller writes:

The Roman Catholic Church is the longest running criminal empire in the history of the world. Bunch of worthless, sanctamonious f*cking maggots. I'd personally love to pile up every copy of the "good book", set it ablaze and watch them choke on the ashes. Spiritual pipe-dreams are for the credulous and weak. All I can say in response is "Nergal Please"....heehee, couldn't resist....

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 6:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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143. DeathInEye writes:

"sanctamonious f*cking maggots." The Pope is a Slipknot fan? heh

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144. Diamond Oz writes:

One quiet sunday, the Pope decided to do a crossword. After a short while and said to a nearby man of the church, "Cardinal, can you think of a word for a woman ending in 'unt'?" The cardinal paused and said, "Ah! Aunt!"

"Of course!" said the Pope. "... got an eraser?"

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 9:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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145. samson writes:

lol diamond! that made my day

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 11:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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146. LemonPledge writes:

C'mon, this is rediculous. Having to serve jail time for tearing up the stupid book? Screw the Roman Catholic Church, they have no room to pass this sort of judgement.

I saw Behemoth in San Francisco on their Apostasy tour, and Nergal did the same thing there. Pretty epic show from them that night.

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 11:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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147. Oz Down Under writes:

A Polish dude wearing make up looking like a chick tears a bible up.
And look how many comments.

RAOTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# Mar 14, 2010 @ 11:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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148. Ned braden writes:

In Canadian Jails "Institutions" for minors (under the age of 18), the teens would use the bible to roll their smokes and contraban . Now thats Metal !!!! Behemoth..... more like Borehemoth

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 1:36 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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149. Dagger writes:

now this really is sh**.. doesnt the country's constitution protect him from getting penalized for that? how the hell can insulting the roman catholic church be a crime in a country? does the state patronize christianity or summin? coz i thought most countries were secular... and anyway, as long as anybody in the concert is not offended and dont press charges i dont understand how the court can act off its own accord...

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 3:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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150. IrishMetal writes:

133 Mr Messenger

"Peter replied, 'Each of you must turn from your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.' Those who believed what Peter said were baptized and added to the church--about three thousand in all.” Acts 2:38, 41

Anyone can find quotations in the bible to support just about any view. Even if everyone else knows it as completely wrong, it can still be warped and used for evil.

I stand by my statement that the bible can be used as a book of moral stories, although some are questionable (Especially Joshua's actions as the conqueror) but there is a lot in it that just doesn't make sense any more.

Lol at the rest of you hoors posting fairytales :P

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 6:02 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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151. decapitator94 writes:

to post 95: i guess i need to read the bible more often :P and yea you're right... its an unjust law... if he was burning the bible in church during mass then they might have a right to take him to jail... :P

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 10:14 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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152. Blindgreed1 writes:

Irish: LMAO!!!

While the bible is an entertaining novel, it certainly isn't anything i'd fashion my life by. Too violent for me. I'll stick to horror movies and novels thank you very much. I don't get nightmares from CGI, or Stephen King. ;-)

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 10:51 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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153. the messenger writes:

Hi IrishMetal, Indeed water baptism is one of the 2 christian ordinances (the other being the Lord's supper) that was commanded by the Lord Jesus - but you must take the SUM of the biblical texts - hermeneutics is a valid science. You will notice that in the New Testament there are two baptisms - 1 - water baptism 2 - Spirit baptism (John 1:33, 1Cor.12:13).

Without going way too deep in a Theological discussion - let me just make 2 points : 1st - Does water baptism wash away our sins ? The Bible says NO - it is the Blood of Christ that purifies us through faith ( Rom.5:8,9 , 1John 1:7, etc....)
2nd - is it imperative that one must be baptized in order to enter into paradise ? The answer is NO - remember the dying theif on the cross (Luke 23:39-43). If water baptism was necessary for his salvation - then Jesus couldn't have promised him paradise.
Therefore, to conclude - the scriptures make it clear that putting your faith in Christ and His blood shed on calvary's cross (with genuine repentance ) will save you. Hebrews 11:6 states ''with FAITH it is impossible to please God'' .....though don't get me wrong, i'm not minimizing the importance of water baptism - which is an OUTWARD symbol testifying to an INNER truth which is the Regeneration performed by the Holy Spirit in our souls - bringing us into the body of Christ by faith (Galations 3:26,27 , Titus 3:5 PLEASE READ). Christ commanded us to be baptized but it remains a symbol - much like a wedding ring which symbolizes the loving union of a man and his bride. It in not the ring that is the source or cause of this love - but rather symbolic of it. Hence, Ephesians 5:24-33 please read.

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154. the messenger writes:

oops, correction on Hebrews 11:6 - withOUT faith ;-)

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 12:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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155. happysatan13 writes:

This is a late response, but what do I care. I'm not here to prove any type of faith, I don't care what anyone believes.

However, DeathInEye, your ignorance is great, albeit sadly normal. It is not a educated view to say "nobody was that civilized" 2000 years ago. Freedom of religion, speech, and a hatred of capital punishment are all ancient ideas. You just think they aren't because they never approached some kind of more mainstream ideology until recently. Shut your mouth and take a class more in depth than Ancient History 101. Stop making assertions based on cliches. Read a book.

If you want evidence that this was how the death penalty was dealt with, try Talmud tractate Sanhedrin. I understated how difficult it is to get the death penalty in Jewish law. Tractate Makkos 1:10 concludes that no court should give capital punishment once in 70 years (whoops, not 50).

So, no xFiruath. I don't know what christians think, but the people that actually produced the text you quoted didn't actually demand that a defiant child be stoned, seeing as how the text is only half the story. The punishment for a defiant child is written to illustrate that defiance against the source of your life is like asking for death. And of course, abusive parents were considered an exception. Even if your child would get stoned, a parent always had the right to rescind their honor, effectively forcing the court to pardon the child. Giving the death penalty was a beaurocratic nigh-impossibility in ancient judaism. I haven't even stated one quarter of the obstacles to any death penalty ever reaching fruition.

"It is better and more satisfactory to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death." -Maimonides, medieval jewish philosopher

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 12:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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156. Blindgreed1 writes:

messenger: These are your (specifically your faith-not yours personally) interpretations and they differ significantly from religion to religion. This is what happens when we try to translate dead languages. Each faith has their own interpretation and stand behind it to the death. This is why many find it hard to swallow. It is what it is... Deal with it.

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 1:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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157. hellrat writes:

ya, pretty much man ^

and i'm kinda sick of the bible lessons myself...

don't the Prophet know we got our own sunday school around here?

its called SOS...and I believe EVERY fvckin word of it!!!

:)

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 1:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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158. Diamond Oz writes:

That's because I (that's me) am more trustworthy than Jesus. Yeah, I said it!

Agree with Hellrat though, getting completely sick of bible bashing here. Is the website called StorytownVillage.com? Do you see a sign on the front page that says Christian Preacher Storage? No, you know why that sign ain't there? Because talking about storing Christian preachers isn't our f***ing business!

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 2:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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159. Blindgreed1 writes:

Oz: Good point, but what is the proper storage for a Christian Preacher? I'd hate for mine to spoil down in the basement chained to a chair. ;-)

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 2:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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160. G. Robert writes:

Wow.. what if it was just an empty notebook and he only SAID it was a Bible??
Poland needs to look at freedom of speech.

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 3:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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161. WOLF7 writes:

^ Fully agreed. I never ever expected something like this to develop in Poland.
It's exactly this kind of crap that makes me wonder if the norwegians have a valid point in burning the churches. Ridiculous situation.

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 3:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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162. hellrat writes:

holy moses, oz--- fvckin great!...shine on you crazy Diamond

hey blind, don't worry about spoilage...them fellers are all fvcking rotten anyway!

though I do recommend cold storage....freezing temperatures make them torpid, and they don't run their yap nearly as much

duct tape also works ok, but I prefer to keep my hands away from the knave's gnashing and sputtering rabid maw...too risky :)

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 4:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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163. n0thinghead writes:

i'm just surprised nergal's hands didn't burn when he held the bible. i was raised in a catholic skool my ENTIRE childhood (PRE-skool - 8th grade) and i say, BURN THE CHURCHES!! religion has NO place in government and ruling over the people. wow, i'm surprised that i'm NOT into black metal and more violent metal myself lol

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164. DeathInEye writes:

happysatan: I'm pretty sure you just reiterated my point, but I'm not going to comment further because it couldn't be farther away from the subject of this article.

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 5:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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165. DMS writes:

Well, they were getting lame anyway....so maybe if he does some hard time in prison, that ought to sort him out and get the creative flow back up again.
Any statement which offends individuals belonging to a particular group should not be glorified and portrayed as heroism.

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 5:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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166. D writes:

I think this is a good thing for the world in general (not for metal so much though!) because I think there should be equality can you imangine the uproar from the world if we ripped up a quran (muslim holy book)

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 6:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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167. DeathInEye writes:

Are you in Alabama or New York?

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 6:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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168. Blindgreed1 writes:

DIE: LOFL!!!

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 6:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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169. Greyback writes:

There are rapists and much worse than some blackmetal freak who uses "ov" instead of "of", who honestly cares? Not even worth the case if you ask me. Religion always messing stuff up and wasting people's time. Nothing new here except it's 2010.

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 6:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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170. hellrat writes:

NP---- 'Becoming'--- far beyond driven

# Mar 15, 2010 @ 7:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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171. Caleb writes:

This is utterly ridiculous...

# Mar 16, 2010 @ 3:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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172. xDecapitation writes:

If there's one thing this proves it's how sensitive people are with religion...still lmao. 170 comments in metalunderground in less than a week is just ricockulous lol.

# Mar 16, 2010 @ 4:05 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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173. IrishMetal writes:

xDecapitation - You shoulda have seen back in the day. Threads with over 500 comments. Great fun :)

# Mar 16, 2010 @ 7:41 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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174. Blindgreed1 writes:

Irish: I miss our cyber battles. *stands a top a pile of bodies with his spiked baseball bat proudly reflecting on days gone past* lol.

# Mar 16, 2010 @ 10:43 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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175. James Sweet writes:

Anyone who even mentions how it is "juvenile" or how he "should have known it would offend people" is *completely* missing the point.

At this point, WHO CARES about whether it was rude or not, whether it was juvenile or artistic. He's being CHARGED WITH A CRIME for stating his opinion and ripping up a book. That is unconscionable, and the only thing to say here is that all Poles should be deeply ashamed of their government right now. (And all Catholics should be deeply ashamed of their religion, but that was true already...)

# Mar 16, 2010 @ 11:19 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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176. Diamond Oz writes:

Spent an hour debating with a Christian today. I should have brought this arguement up.

# Mar 16, 2010 @ 11:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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177. Blindgreed1 writes:

Oz: That's an hour of your life you'll never get back. Ahhh Bollocks!

# Mar 16, 2010 @ 11:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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178. Diamond Oz writes:

I feel a slight sense of self-satisfaction proving to a 62 year old that "God is love" will never be proof that he exists.

# Mar 16, 2010 @ 11:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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179. xFiruath writes:

Hahah, nice Oz. I've always found it funny how this so called "proof" people like to spew about the existence of an all powerful creator being is in actuality just proof of why they WANT him to exist. Having a loving sky daddy to look out for you is easily preferable to not having a loving sky daddy making sure everything will turn out OK in the end.

# Mar 16, 2010 @ 11:58 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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180. brandedcfh420 writes:

wipe out christianity and the world will be at peace!!

# Mar 16, 2010 @ 12:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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181. Diamond Oz writes:

They started on the Sodom & Gommorah story and I said, "Wait is this the one where a guy saves the angels by letting people rape his daughter instead? Heard it, the message sucks."
"Yes but that's because humans aren't perfect."
"Bit of a stupid story then isn't it?"
They really didn't want to take me on when it came to evolution and claimed that I was bringing the topic of religion into it far too much. How silly of me to bring up religion when we're talking about God!

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182. brandedcfh420 writes:

Damn u oz, just damn u..... you should not upset the flock like that! Fuk'em!!!!!

# Mar 16, 2010 @ 1:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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183. Fuzzypig writes:

"church as being a murderous cult"


Seems fair to me! Cult to a religion is only a matter of scale. Now who was it who started the witch-hunts during the 1600s? Who instigated the Spanish Inquisition and supported it? Which group controls vast sums of money and property the world over, while the followers starve to death? Hmmm, lets see...

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184. n0thinghead writes:

^^^ the jews!! we need a hitler the second.

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 12:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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185. Crushem writes:

"Nergal has stated that tearing apart the Bible was part of his artistic work and was not meant to offend religious sensibilities."
Dude, you do not need to come up with that lame of an excuse to publicly dispose of bullsh*t.
Poland- seriously? 2 f*ckin years? Grow up. Your too old to be taking fairy tales so seriously.

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186. u suck writes:

NOT COOL

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 1:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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187. RTB writes:

Oz always respect your elders mate....dont listen to what all these heshins tell you....good show....
Post 137 was an Oz classic btw.....when i saw the words jack and beans, i thought you were going to start singing that johnny bravo classic, " clowns never laughed before, beanstalks never grew"... well done anyways...
VPNH with the hitler remark.....wow!!!!!!!
Whats going on down there in south fla, lmao

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 1:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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188. RTB writes:

Great thread though...religion always a hot topic on the MU....you always see the greatest and the dumbest posts, both sides of the ball.....

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 1:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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189. KORNDOGG writes:

What did the dumbass think was gonna happen. Im sure he was aware of the laws. I hope they do throw his ignorant a$$ in a cell. Make him think about how childish, and stupid ripping up a bible is. I dont mind if he doesnt believe in god, to each is their own! But why go out of your way in this " artistic expression" to bash christians or the bible. It shows nothing but how ignorant people who bash christianity can be! But thats my opinion. Why do people who do not belive in god have to try and shock, or should i say try to intimidate christians? Like they are in 7th grade trying to get their point across!

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 2:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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190. KORNDOGG writes:

To post 180- just another ignorant post. Whipe out christianity and the world would be at peace?????? Are you serious, so i guess the terrorists would just stop, right? They would be like " you all arent christians anymore, ok then we love you america"!!! No, they hate freedom! So if you whipe freedom off the earth then maybe we would make some of these middle eastern countries happy.... There will never be peace PERIOD! Power out weighs religion, and so does money. As long as people want power and money, then there will be wars!

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191. KanadianKoRn writes:

^^^phhhh.....he doesnt deserve jailtime for that, maybe a fine at most and have to issue an apologie. lol exactly how long would you sentence him for korndogg??? lol how much jail time do i deserve? ive ripped up every single bible i find in hotels i go to. sometimes i even use the pages to even out the sh**ty coffe tables, i have even used the 1st pages to roll joints worth(which sucked balls btw).

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 3:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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192. xDecapitation writes:

Irish- Makes me feel like I should have joined a long time ago haha.

This kinda reminds me of when my school started using little handheld bible papers as joint papers lol. Get over it guys this is pretty funny, it's a f***ing book.

We've almost broken the 200 mark boys, keep b****ing :P

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 4:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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193. RTB writes:

KK, you didnt use it for kleenex or toilet paper?...what are you thinking....cleanliness is next to godliness...ever heard of that.....
Try using it as a clean up crew after sex as well, i mean if your in a hotel who needs towels for that sort of thing when you have god s word by the bed to lend a helping hand right?....
No job is done untill the paper work is complete....
*schtick*

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 5:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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194. Diamond Oz writes:

"To post 180- just another ignorant post."

Followed quickly by...

"if you whipe freedom off the earth then maybe we would make some of these middle eastern countries happy"

I-RONY! Not least for the mispelling of "wipe."

"Try using it as a clean up crew after sex as well, i mean if your in a hotel who needs towels for that sort of thing when you have god s word by the bed to lend a helping hand right?...."

That made me laugh and it made me laugh hard.

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 7:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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195. retrothwed writes:

He will be in a Satan's prison when he dies, jajajajaj!!!

Lets him have fun while he can.

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 9:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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196. the messenger writes:

i agree with post 190 - and to compliment what he said - ripping up the Bible IS NOT artistic but a form of terrorism in itself.

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197. xFiruath writes:

Face: meet palm.

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 10:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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198. hellrat writes:

no fvckin kidding XF....ripping up the damned book has graduated to being a terrorist act in the feebly fascist kindergarten mind of the messenger, eh?

jesus fvcking hell---what the goddamned fvck does this twit know about fvcking terror??

so, dear Oracle...you know that the only 'good prophets' have all been martyred, ya? yes, they were so fvcking irritating to their fellow men that they were put out of everyone's misery :)

...are YOU ready to make the Big Commit to your ovine faith there, Simon Zealot?...nah, heavens NO! woolly little lamb prolly don't even know no better

Behold!...a true fvckin sheep of men!

# Mar 17, 2010 @ 11:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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199. KORNDOGG writes:

Where to begin? Well Ill just skip the comment above, lol. That stupidity is beyond me.

@Oz- Are we really gonna go back to argueing or making fun of spelling or grammar? Again? Havent we had that conversation too many times? So instead of saying that, you should have said nothing. Because apparently you had nothing to comment on, so you chose to correct my spelling and say something was ironic! Nice.

@KK- Im not saying he should rot in jail, I just thought maybe a lil time in a cell would teach him how stupid and pointless his "artistic expression ' was! I guess any act of ignorance can be considered artistic now a days! You on the other hand dont need jail either, maybe you need a little help. Because I guess tearing out all the pages in hotel bibles excites you, or makes you feel rebellious. How old are we? It is a form of terrorism, attacking anyones beliefs for no reason, or just because you have different beliefs is wrong in any nature! Im not a religious guy, but you wont find me bashing on anyones religion. I just kills me to see how far some people will go to offend someone, or to go against the norm. Not bein a d***, just sayn!

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200. Cynic writes:

"Are we really gonna go back to argueing or making fun of spelling or grammar?"

What's "argueing"?

Oz made an awesome point and you completely disregarded it KORNDOGG - that's why no-one takes you seriously, not your speellling.

The messenger is hilarious. Hail Satan.

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201. Diamond Oz writes:

The irony was your ignorance. Saying all Middle Eastern countries hate freedom was laughable. In fact I did laugh. In fact, I'm gonna laugh again at your spelling. Ha!

And no, me and you haven't had the conversation about your spelling before, but more or less every other long time member on the site has had that discussion with you, you just don't take it on board. You could learn a thing or two if you listen once in a while instead of doing what you ALWAYS do and just disregard everyone's opinion on your continuing quest to prove you're always right.

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 7:06 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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202. n0thinghead writes:

RTB: what?? did i offend ANYONE?? lol too soon?? well, i'm pretty antsy, and a bit uncomfortably annoyed by this random rlly cold a$$ f***ing weather down here. everyday is 40 or 50 somthing, and i know it's not THAT cold for most ppl here, being from northern states, but i think anything below 60 is f***in' cold!! 40 and 50 something are just freezing!! i hate it!!

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 10:30 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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203. KORNDOGG writes:

I wont comment on cynic, cause he made no point at all!~ I never said all middle eastern countries! Read it again Oz, and yes talking about spelling or grammar on here is pointless. Go through these 202 posts and tell me how many are 100% correct. So once again you failed to talk about the topic or even have a response to the topic of this thread in which I was talking about. And saying taking out all religion would cause peace is not an opinion, its a joke. So there for I did not disregard anyones opinion on here. And even if you call that an opinion, I brought it to topic along with KK comment, so where is the disregard. I even brought up your spelling comment when I should of just overlooked your ignorance because you had nothing to respond with but to stoop to talking about spelling.

PS- read post 36- where the metion of the middle east is brought up, and make fun of him. Bet you wont! Its practically the same thing I said except hes talking about people ripping pages out, Im just saying freedom is hated in some of those countries, so whether we get rid of our religion doesnt mean we wont go to war with them

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 10:41 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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204. KORNDOGG writes:

Ill make it simple for you......PLEASE respond to what we are talking about! Dont copy off of what cynic said because I wasnt even talking to him. So OZ please respond with something other than what cynic said and spelling! Can you do that?

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 10:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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205. hellrat writes:

"...that stupidity is beyond me..."

----Kornhole readily admits that he is indeed quite the fvckin idiot

shameless :)

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 11:01 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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206. Jonny Waris writes:

It's good to be an American!

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 11:43 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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207. Diamond Oz writes:

Sorry, I was out doing stuff because I don't sit at the computer all day crying like a child.

We didn't say you disregarded everyones points, Cynic said you disregarded mine. Which you did. I said how it was ignorant to say that wiping freedom from the Earth would make some of these Middle Eastern countries happy. The point being that the countries you refer to have a different idea of what freedom is to say the U.S. or Canada. For example communist Russia believed they were free countries and so did Nazi Germany. So what you said about freedom requires more thought and it isn't as black and white as you seem to think it is.

Why do I keep bringing up your spelling? Because I like to. Because making a whining fan boy like you cry about how everyone makes no points but him makes me laugh. Because you've never once brought up anything of any interest and continue to post away thinking at some point, someone will care about you. Because everytime someone disagrees with you, you start screaming about how stupid other people are.

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 11:45 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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208. RTB writes:

I figured it was something like that VPNH,
Ya ive seen the weather figures down in fla....40-50 degrees, damn......well i ll say this, that al gore is full of sh!t man.... with his global warming

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 12:22 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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209. Blindgreed1 writes:

Be right back. I have to poop.

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 12:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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210. EsotericSurgery writes:

#208, Al Gore works for the Rothschild dynasty who are constantly at economic war with the Rockefeller dynasty. The global warming hoax was created to scare people into using less oil which is where the Rockefellers money comes from. I think it worked...lol

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 2:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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211. Blindgreed1 writes:

I pooped a CAR!!!

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 2:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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212. RTB writes:

Sure did ES, even got him an academy award for best hoax errrrrrr, documentary.....i guess if he and 3 six mafia can win an academy award, anybody could..
Al gore..lmao, to think we almost elected that former PMRC degenerate...got we suck at voting....
Bg, nobody care s about your cars, when you sh!t an anaconda, let us all know,those are impressive....and don t forget to use the old testament to wipe...
*again hits schtick button, ala the bible take*

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 3:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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213. KORNDOGG writes:

Finally, you stuck to the point. Im proud of you. And Mr news correspondent, im pretty sure you spend alot more time at a computer than I do. Or most people on here for that matter. Freedom is pretty self-explanitory. But Im just gald you made a point on topic. Oh and Ive read most of your articles, and mistakes have been made. So you can make fun of my spelling if it makes you feel better. I on the other hand laugh at you in general, not just the mistakes you write! Time for me to go to my "real job" so have a good day Mr. News Correspondent. LOL.

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 3:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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214. mebabyme writes:

You are all pathetic for arguing on an underground metal site because all your lives and arguing points are are completely irrelevant to anything going on in the world and you all just want to have the last word.

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 4:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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215. Master_Randomizer writes:

ok, so you think global warming is a big hoax. Care to explain why RTB?

PMRC degenerate? I think you're confusing al gore with is wife, tipper gore.

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216. Blindgreed1 writes:

mebabyme: When I grow up I want to be just like you. He who roams the internet telling people what their problems are. Lol. May I play the role of Captain Obvious and point out that by posting your drivel in this thread you have joined the ranks of us pathetic losers who are arguing on an underground metal site and arguing points that are completely irrelevant to anything going on in the world and we all just want to have the last word? You sir... Are a joke. Bye now.

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 4:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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217. EsotericSurgery writes:

LMAO BG1, f*** off mebabyme.

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 4:22 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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218. Diamond Oz writes:

Oh noes my pride did just be destroyed because you did write lol in capitals! BG, help me out man! His words hurt too much. Better dig out my Life Is Peachy album because I can relate to the lyrics so much.

I stuck to the point on previous posts, you just didn't want to actually think for five seconds.

Why did you put the term real job in speech marks? Are you embarassed? Does it not feel good to be a fluffer?

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 4:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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219. RTB writes:

Dont wanna get in a political arena MR..just to clarify my ramble, and or what i meant...
Tippa PMRC wife of al gore, Al was part of the PMRC hearings if you remember, especially the dee snider exchange
Global warming?....well it was one of the coldest winters on record i believe in 70 years , while pollution does contribute to global warming, most scientists have stated that the earth's temperature has increased by 1 tenth of a degree in the last 30 years....and if you saw al' s doc, you would think that all the land on the earth will be swallowed up by the ocean in a matter of years..if you believe that, great....i dont, i think it was a ploy for people to stop polluting, go green so to speak, and if you dont this "could happen"....
But i dont think all the polar bears are gonna be swimming for land anytime soon....
I could be wrong,....its happend before

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 5:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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220. Blindgreed1 writes:

Oz: I'm pretty sure you've got this covered buddy. BTW... What's a fluffer? A ponce? lol.

RTB: Well done, but you forgot one detail... The earth does this every 10,000 years. Core samples prove that this is just another cycle. How conceited is mankind to honestly think he is responsible?

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 5:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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221. Master_Randomizer writes:

al gore's documentary does sound a little exaggerated, but the key word here is GLOBAL warming. I won't deny that it has been very cold, but that's just in the U.S. as far as I know, A bitterly cold period in one area doesn't justify that global warming is a so called hoax.

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 5:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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222. RTB writes:

Thank MR, thank you greed, points taken...

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 5:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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223. xDecapitation writes:

HAHAHA 209 and 211 made me actually laugh, and laugh hard.

Cynic & Oz, there's really no point in arguing with Korndog, he named himself after Jonathan Davies' band , that should be punishment enough lol.

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 5:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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224. hellrat writes:

218-220....yes, quite exactly....master, i think the majority of the northern hemisphere has had quite a frigid new year thus far

wow...Kornholio's imagined formidable intellectual prowess provides for some good slapstick :)

Yes, al is a far worse evil than his whore wife....the pmrc was a fvcking satire...this warming charade is more insidious. When us fish and wildlife make a ES designation based on a PROJECTION OF CONJECTURE, following a course of action that directly contradicts sound and proven management ESPECIALLY if the speculation of shrinking habitat does in fact evolve (there are currently more fvcking ice bears now than at anytime since proper censusing began)...well, just one example of sneaky indicators....some of you have alluded to others

there's no getting to the slimy bottom of the corrupt politics of global economics...which IS what makes the world of men go round...though the right series of dance moves by our dear old mother earth will tear asunder any fvcking absurd notion of self importance mankind pretends to possess...

fvckin METAL!!!


NP----Three Days of Darkness---Testament

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 5:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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225. Blindgreed1 writes:

xDecapitation: Those 3 have been going around like that since I got here. You have NO IDEA how volitile this can get. *pulls up a chair and opens a fresh bag of popcorn*

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 5:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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226. Diamond Oz writes:

A fluffer is someone who had to get male porn stars erect. I'm not sure how this was done exactly, but I don't want the job :P

The sad thing about this little arguement is that I don't want to be involved. I don't care but for some reason I'm drawn to it likes flies on sh**. It's pointless.

As far as the global warming issue is concerned, I do what I can, though I'm not too sure about how true it is. I do believe global warming is happening but in the long run, I don't think man has a massive effect. I'm much more concerned about overpopulation. There are well over six billion people on the planet and growing everyday. If it keeps up, you can kiss your comforts, civilisation and probably your life away. To quote George Carlin: "The planet isn't going anywhere.... we are!" But I don't see that happening for another 30 years or so, so I'll worry more about it then.

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 6:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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227. hellrat writes:

oz... them fluffers smoke the pole...back in the day my buddy's printing company made up a bunch of babydolls that said 'fluffer' in girlie letters and handed them out to hot chicks on the beach...they'd get all happy that someone game em a free tshirt and throw the thing on...

it was great :)

and yes overpopulation IS the real issue....

solution----CATACLYSMS!!!

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 6:22 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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228. deathfreak writes:

*Waits to see what korn has to say*
You guys crack me up. Thank you for keeping my day going. :)

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 6:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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229. Lijemo writes:

How in the world did this turn into a debate about Al Gore and global warming? Did Nergal tear up a copy of "An Inconvenient Truth" or, alternately, some Rush Limbagh book?

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 7:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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230. Blindgreed1 writes:

^^^Mind your damn business Nancy boy. Shut up and watch the big dogs run or stay your a$$ up on the porch. :-)

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 7:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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231. Lijemo writes:

^^^ X^D

...@hellrat: CATYCLYSM! That will solve global warming, over-population, bible-tearing, religion, and stupid laws all in one go!

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 7:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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232. hellrat writes:

^ you got it brother...

it'll be one hell of a show! ;)

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 8:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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233. Blindgreed1 writes:

Where the hell is Pestilence when you need him anyway? He'd LOVE this conversation and what it's become.

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 8:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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234. Master_Randomizer writes:

Now to bring this back on topic...

BEHEMOTH'S LEAD SINGER RIPPED A BIBLE IN 2007 AND NOW HE'S BEING THREATENED WITH 2 YEARS IN PRISON
FOR INSULTING THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

good bye *goes to the bathroom to take a shower.*

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 9:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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235. Plibt writes:

MR...i love your default. *Clucks like Majora*

haha@229

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 9:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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236. n0thinghead writes:

::freezing my a$$ off::

# Mar 18, 2010 @ 9:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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237. KORNDOGG writes:

Sorry, just got back from doing some stuff because I dont sit at my computer crying like Oz! Where to begin....
Wow we even got into global warming! My stand on that is similiar to what blingreed said, it does happen every so often, climate change is nothing new. It just takes thousands of years. But I will say that the over population of people and cars is not helping the situation. Doesnt matter though, it will all fall someday.
@ xdecapitation- yes I named myself after " jonathan davies " band. I could be like Oz and say YOU DUMB f*** mispelled davis. But I understood what you meant, so Ill just say that there is nothing wrong with naming yourself after one of your favorite bands on a metal website! ALot of people have their names affiliated with a band they like or are in. Because you dislike korn doesnt mean you are smart on posting that.
Im sorry i named myself after one of the most influencial bands of the 90s or of rock/metal period. They started a genre in metal. And did one hell of a job. Multi-platinum albums, ect. So point made.
@hellrat- Im not even sure how to respond to anything youve posted. lol. f***en retarded. You need help. Do yourself a favor and read post 224 again. Matter of fact, everybody read post 224. I would love to hear everyones take on that. Especially the spell checker Oz!

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 2:07 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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238. MetalMassacre writes:

^^ Why would you apologize ???? Stick up for yourself !...
Nergal is a great example :p

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 6:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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239. Diamond Oz writes:

Jesus Christ, you just don't stop do you? You've got nothing to say and you're saying it too loudly, so I'm pulling out of this arguement. I've got better sh** to do with my time than to waste it with someone who thinks record sales = talent.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 7:10 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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240. Azile writes:

I think its totally messed up you can put someone in prison for tearing up a book. Yet creepy old guys in robes have gotten away with molesting thousands of children in their religious organization. Organized religion needs to earn respect and it has way too many protections, privileges, and free passes in my opinion. So many religious people claim that religion is required to make people decent or moral and yet while they go about saying this their actions scream otherwise.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 8:02 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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241. KORNDOGG writes:

1-0

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 8:55 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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242. Diamond Oz writes:

Here's a spoon, eat my ass.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 9:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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243. Analguest writes:

"so Ill just say that there is nothing wrong with naming yourself after one of your favorite bands on a metal website!"

rightly said korndog

my name is after korn aswell

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 10:04 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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244. hellrat writes:

well kornhole...it IS kinda hard to respond to things you absolutely don't understand....

and it IS pretty tough to manage a decent comprehension of ANY mundane topic when you are of such shoddy intelligence as you represent yourself to be

but please, feel free to have another go Korn Holio!

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 10:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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245. the messenger writes:

OK, to get back to the point - the fact that these people have such a hatred towards God and His Holy Word is PROOF in itself in the existance of God. People don't get mad at fairy tales. Man is by nature at enmity with God. Man hates the 'light' because he is a sinner. All this negative attitude towards God and sacred scriptures only confirms that the Bible is true - John 3:19,20 ; Romans 8:7 ; Ephesians 2:3 ; Philippians 3:18 ; Colossians 1:21, etc....

p.s. again, i'm not defending romanism - it's as much antichristian as nergal himself.

p.s.s. to xDecapitation : i garantee you that there will be more than 300 posts now ;-)

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 10:31 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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246. RTB writes:

242......lol....where do you get these 1 liners at oz?....their a book i can buy? I could always use more material......
VPNH, lol... 52 degrees, florida...hmmmmmm
Ain't nothing wrong naming your cyber handle after your favorite band......it s what you make your handle i think thats important.....
We have some bad ones on this site, but their takes speak volumes, (wits wise) then we have some catchy, and clever names, but end up just being hacks....not mentioning any names.....

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 11:39 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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247. xFiruath writes:

I know full well going into this what a waste of time I’m about to get into (Just see post 120 for the level of mental gymnastic the messenger is willing to put himself through to keep his supernatural belief system working in his head. When a book tells you to kill your children the obvious solution is to keep reading that book and find other verses you can use to justify ignoring that previous command – all while still proclaiming the entire book is the unchanging, divinely inspired word of God that must be followed.), but that comment above is one I’ve seen online about a bajillion times and it’s annoying every time. It’s such a transparent non-argument, but for some reason religious people think it’s this irrefutable rock that blocks any further dissent. Sadly, tis wrong.

First of all, he’s confusing animosity towards religion with animosity towards God. I can’t speak for Nergal or his religious beliefs, but as an atheist I obviously don’t hate Santa-Claus-For-Adults. As the messenger pointed out, you can’t hate something that doesn’t exist.

Secondly, this non-argument tries to make it so that no one can argue against Christianity in any capacity. “Why would you waste so much time arguing against my deity if you don’t believe He’s real?” Because Christianity, regardless of the fact that its deity isn’t any more real than Zeus, has a huge impact on our lives. Christianity is the number one religion in the U.S. and in the top three across the world – so obviously it’s something that can’t be ignored. This is the whole reason a huge number of people got into metal in the first place. Religion of various stripes caused them grief through their families/friends/governments and they needed an outlet for their frustration, which is provided by bands like Behemoth, which mocks religion.

Of course people are mad at Christianity despite its lack of a real deity! Christianity has given us The Army of God, which kills doctors and bombs clinics, a my-way-or-the-hellway mentality, which causes families to disown their children when they don’t buy into the religious koolaid, wars out the wazoo (although this one could be applied to nearly any religion), and a religious tinted government that tries to force its beliefs and standards on people who aren’t even part of the same religion. It’s utterly absurd to say that none of that allows people to show their displeasure with religion without coming to conclusion that those people are somehow secretly religious and are just thumbing their nose at the almighty to be rebellious.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 11:40 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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248. KORNDOGG writes:

^^Well said. I agree 100%. Most organized religion is corrupt! Everyone who is antichrist gets so upset over this subject. If god is not real and the bible is fake, then why mock, destroy, and continue to go out of your way to disrespect. Attention maybe, rebellion maybe? I refuse to disrespect someones beliefs. I dont care if nergal said hes an antichrist. Thats his choice, but to take as far as he is. Is just wrong on all levels!

PS- Oz you did make me laugh on that spoon post. Thats actually funny sh**. Didnt expect that.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 11:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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249. KORNDOGG writes:

Wait, i meant well said to the messengers post!

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 11:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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250. Hammerheart writes:

Post 243 is made of win!

KORNDOGG: You just keep crawling back out from under that bridge, don't you? Obvious troll douchebag is obvious.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 11:53 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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251. n0thinghead writes:

lmfao!! these convo's are HA-larious!!

RTB: lol what makes it worse, is the fvckin' sea breeze and the wind we get, in a combo w/ the cold a$$ air, it's just a mixture straigh from HELL.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 12:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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252. KanadianKoRn writes:

please stop hating on korn because of korndogg people,we r all aware that he represents a huge bag of of severed p3nises, however its not korns fault that they possess some lame retarded fans...i think all bands do.just sayin, hate on korn all u want have fun! but not cause of the kornholio.. "remember who you are" bahahaha.
Korndogg- nobody hates on religion for no reason, those who r hating just feel the need to preach the truth, same way the pedophile priests preach how their god is the all and mighty powerful 1, who is forgiving yet relentless at the same time..
np-darkness of christ- slayer \m/

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 12:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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253. Blindgreed1 writes:

xFiruath for the win. The ball is in your court there messenger. Good luck with that one.

KORNDOGG: Oz is actually one of the funniest guys i've ever read. The guy cracks me up on a daily basis.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 1:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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254. Diamond Oz writes:

Lol alright then KD. Truce?

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 1:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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255. KORNDOGG writes:

Truce!

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 2:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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256. Diamond Oz writes:

Excellent. Then I shall fetch two spoons, with which we shall feast upon ice cream in celebration!

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 2:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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257. KORNDOGG writes:

LOL. When I first read that before I got to the ice cream part. I thought you were gonna say eachothers ass! Ice cream sounds better....

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 2:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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258. the messenger writes:

Psalms 53:1 !!!

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 2:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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259. killernofiller writes:

It's like I've always said; "Jesus saves....but Gretzky gets the rebound and scores!!!!!"

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 2:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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260. Master_Randomizer writes:

messenger: I just thought of something I saw from the hitchhicker's guide to the galaxy(the old serires, not the new movie) when I read your post. God and a man were in a conversation; this is how it went:

god: I refuse to prove that I exist. For proof denies faith and without faith I am nothing.

man: But the babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It proves you exist and so therefore you don't.

god: Oh dear I hadn't thought of that. *vanishes*

So if proof denies faith, proving god exists proves he doesn't exist if god can't exist without faith.

Just something random for you to think about.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 3:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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261. EsotericSurgery writes:

#259, I laughed for a good minute straight on that one dude good sh** lol

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 4:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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262. xFiruath writes:

And for the nerds - Jesus saves, but everyone else takes full damage.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 4:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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263. the messenger writes:

GOD exists whether or not we choose to have faith. GOD doesn't exist because we believe in Him. We believe in GOD because HE exists. Faith is not the cause of GOD'S existence. Faith is that 'link' which connects us to our Creator - Hebrews 11:6.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 5:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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264. the messenger writes:

xFiruath - i thought you converted after finding out it was ok to eat shrimp ;-)

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 5:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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265. Master_Randomizer writes:

messenger:Explain to me how hatred of your "holy word" is proof that god is real.

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 5:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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266. Blindgreed1 writes:

messenger: Just turn the other cheek. LMAO!!!

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 5:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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267. RTB writes:

AG and ES for the win, are you kidding me?
Bg,HR,, oz , vpnh, and kk for comedy relief award....
Messenger....i think your half schtick half legit....sorry mixed emotions
On my 6th beer ( grolsch lager)...
Everyone, keep drinking

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 7:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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268. RTB writes:

Crucify me!!!!
HTF could i forget weasel and irish metal...
Great posts as well...apollogies

# Mar 19, 2010 @ 8:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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269. hellrat writes:

yessir RT...and i shall commence yer sorry nail up---just who the hell do ya think you are drinkin all that dutchie schlager??

fvckin COORS man...the Piss of the Rockies!

seriously brother...Cheers! good times ;)

...jeez, what was the fvckin topic again??

# Mar 20, 2010 @ 1:00 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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270. EsotericSurgery writes:

RTB, drink on brother. I;m currently abusing the Jaeger. :D

# Mar 20, 2010 @ 3:09 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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271. the messenger writes:

Hi Master_Randomizer - you've asked a very good question :-)

I won't try to fool anyone here pretending to be a Theologian - because i am not. I don't have the answers to everything. Is this weakness on my part ? No, i am only being intelectually honest here. Nevertheless, if ever i fail to give an answer this does not mean that an answer doesn't exist. The Bible has an answer to almost anything if we truly and sincerly take the time to search the Holy Writ. Of course, if we approach the Bible with the same attitude as xFiruath then we will never comprehend the overall message. Let it be said : i respect everyone here on this site and their beliefs - even if i disagree. I think this sort of 'exchange of views' is healthy - as long as it's done with respect for others.

Now back to your question - post 265 - is an APOLOGETICAL question. If you are TRULY interested in having an answer to this question you will need to do a little homework of your own ;-)

First - If you have a Bible please read Romans 1 , 2 Peter 3:2-9 , Psalms 53 - as well as the list of references mentionned in post 245. If you don't have a Bible - then go to biblegateway.com or net.bible.org to read these scriptures.

Second - After examining these texts could you honestly find yourself actually relating to what is written ? I sure did concerning myself. Our rebellion and sinful attitude towards God is exactly how we are described in the sacred writ. (for xFiruath - 2 Peter 3:3 - i know you're reading this ;-) .....Our hatred towards the Divine is not only a theological certainty but is also PROPHETIC.

Third - Look at the historical implications - not only has man rebelled against his Maker - but his hatred also for the things of God - His people and His word. Ever since Cain slew his brother Abel - history - until our modern day - still demonstrates this same hatred towards the Jews, christians and the Bible. Nothing has changed since then. The holocaust, the Inquisition (performed by the antichristian catholic church), etc...is just an example of history. lets not forget that Rome also tried to prevent the Bible from being translatted and given to the common people. Today, Christians all over the world (more or less) are still being persecuted - check out Persecution.com for more details. Today the president of Iran literally wants to wipe Israel off the map. Then you got bands like behemoth who rip Bibles and burn churches. It just doesn't stop. Sadly enough, most people confound catholicism with true christianity but they are not the same.
Hence, The Bible is TRUE when it reveals to us our DEPRAVITY - the condition of the human heart towards God. And if the Bible is true then God is true.

Fourth - I've just about reached my limit on apologetics. If you are truly interested in finding out more info - here is a list of websites you can check out : ICR.org
answersingenesis.org
rzim.org
gty.org
AOmin.org

i hope this helps :-)

# Mar 20, 2010 @ 7:07 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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272. Analguest writes:

i bet messenger is a jehova's witness

# Mar 20, 2010 @ 8:44 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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273. the messenger writes:

lol - no - evangelical baptist

# Mar 20, 2010 @ 9:29 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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274. Nozzie8 writes:

You know, I don't know why everyone decided to turn this forum into a hate message to Christians. They didn't do anything. Nergal knew what he was doing; he did it to get attention. If a Christian went into Saudi-Arabia and ripped a Koran apart, they wouldn't even get a trial, they'd just get murdered on the spot. That doesn't mean it's fair; I don't think he should have to go to prison either, and I'll miss him, but stop the hate messages. I'm sick of it.

# Mar 20, 2010 @ 10:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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275. matthew writes:

its amazing how people run circles around the truth to make the bible still seem right.
it doesnt matter, the scripture. i dont believe it means anything. so if i relate to it, whoop-de-do. im 17 and ive related to fvckin harry potter as a 11 year old, that doesnt make it right, or good.
its just dumb.

# Mar 20, 2010 @ 8:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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276. EsotericSurgery writes:

Lord help us all, a (seemingly, I parenthesize this because if you say some retarded things down the road it basically serves as my get out of humiliation free card for supporting you) intelligent teenager! Jesus Christ allmighty has returned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# Mar 20, 2010 @ 8:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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277. xDecapitation writes:

Korndog, man...they started Nu-Metal...WHAT COULD WE HAVE DONE WITHOUT THEM!? Yea I misspelled Davis or whatever his name is, cause he's a douche bag, that I don't care bout lol.

# Mar 21, 2010 @ 12:30 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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278. Kex writes:

@the messenger i see you got a lot of faith in that book man i respect that i dont got anything against christians but there is 1. thing about the bible that makes it all go down to water.It was written by a MAN.not god and thats a fact.People need faith so they choose the Holy Bible and God as their way and they hope for the best so they will go to heaven.In the end God doesnt exist neither does the Devil if there was an explanation i would say that ''god'' and the ''devil'' are within US. the good and the bad are people and thats reality.You cant let your life depend on a BOOK that was written thousands of years ago.As for Nergal Poland is a bad country to tear bible's apart too bad for him me being a Behemoth fan i hope he get's away.

# Mar 21, 2010 @ 8:20 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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279. Lyza writes:

It's disturbing that the Catholic church and all those who follow are insulted by a simple act of theatrical expression. What about the innocent children being molested by the very priests preaching goodness, forgiveness and tolerance. WTF !!!!
Adam, you will change Poland ... this is for sure !
It's time people open their eyes !
Buszaki !

# Mar 21, 2010 @ 9:01 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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280. EsotericSurgery writes:

#278, you're on point my friend. nice to see :]

# Mar 21, 2010 @ 12:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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281. the messenger writes:

Post 278 - I understand your position and respect that But let me give you some points to consider :
1- The Bible isn't 1 book but 66 books (not including the apocryphal writings) written during a span of aprox. 2000 years by over 40 authors - many of whom never knew each other and YET they all wrote of the same thing - the unfolding of ''redemptive history''.
2- Textual criticism and manuscript evidence is a valid science.
3- What sets apart the Bible from other books is it's 'Divine Inspiration'. Of course the Bible is written by men. God accomplishes His purposes using men - including the crucifixtion of the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 2:23.
4- Divine Inspiration and the authenticity of the Sacred texts is validated by archaelogy, history, science and PROPHECY.
Here are a few examples : SCIENCE - in the book of Isaiah 40:22 (written aprox. 700 years before Christ) and in the book of Job 26:7 (dating is uncertain - but usually considered to be the oldest text written over 1000 years before Christ) tells us plainly that the earth is ROUND and is supported by GRAVITY. We give credit to Isaac Newton for discovering the law of gravity (he was a christian) but the Bible revealed this to us long before.
PROPHECY - in Psalms 22:16 (a Messianic psalm) there's a prophecy of the crucifixtion of Christ written 1000 years beforehand by king David. Most of you will probably say ''so what !'' but you must realize that this was written 800 years before crucifixtion as a form of capitol punishment was introduced by the roman empire.
in Isaiah 11:11, 66:8, etc... writes of the rebirth of the nation of Israel fulfilled in 1948 (written aprox. 700 years before Christ)
I could go on and on......the evidences are there for anyone who is truly seeking.

# Mar 21, 2010 @ 2:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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282. scuminfected writes:

That's f***ing ridiculous...
Christians make all the big f***ing problems in this world.

When you see someone going to prison for ripping a book, that's when you know this world is soon to be over.

Christians need to f*** off...

If people can kill, and chop up sweet animals and eat them, why cant Nergal rip up some "no-proof of any truth" book?

Ugh... I dont even want to start, because this paragraph will not get into those peoples heads that think he did wrong... .

I just think this is bullsh**, that's all :(

# Mar 21, 2010 @ 8:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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283. Cynic writes:

the messenger is one poor deluded man. I'm sure you'd read me prophecies from a VCR manual if you thought it was something remotely to do with Jesus.

# Mar 21, 2010 @ 8:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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284. EsotericSurgery writes:

LMFAO Cynic. agreed man, absolutely laughable.

# Mar 21, 2010 @ 8:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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285. the messenger writes:

Psalms 2 :-)

# Mar 21, 2010 @ 8:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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286. slayerthrash writes:

Wow who cares about Behemoth. they havn't made a single decent album and they dress up like little girls at a slumber party. my advice would be stop wearing make up and then when your ripping apart bibles maybe you will be Taken seriously

# Mar 22, 2010 @ 2:36 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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287. kerryking1986 writes:

Wow who cares about Behemoth. they havn't made a single decent album and they dress up like little girls at a slumber party. my advice would be stop wearing make up and then when your ripping apart bibles maybe you will be Taken seriously

# Mar 22, 2010 @ 2:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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288. kerryking1986 writes:

Wow who cares about Behemoth. they havn't made a single decent album and they dress up like little girls at a slumber party. my advice would be stop wearing make up and then when your ripping apart bibles maybe you will be Taken seriously

# Mar 22, 2010 @ 2:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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289. Riku writes:

who cares would have done something better

# Mar 22, 2010 @ 11:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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290. Plibt writes:

since i'm seeing these bible verses i'll share my favorite one:

psalm 116:15
Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.

i know what it's supposed to mean...but i love misconstruing things to fit what i want, just like many bible thumpers do.

HAHAHA @283

# Mar 22, 2010 @ 2:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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291. dmasa writes:

stfu kerryking1986 u probly think kerry king is an amazing guitarist u f***in tool.

# Mar 22, 2010 @ 7:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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292. Rubyred writes:

This tearing up "Bible Topic" freenzy that BEHEMOTH frontman/Nergal is charge with is pretty serious (and would come off offensive/if it "offends" your Religious faith: we "all" have a right to our Sacred beliefs...'be respectful & "think" you know everything attitude). Although I'm at odds w/BEHEMOTH lyrics/message often times...'but I wouldn't want their Frontman/Leader Nergal nor any of them for that matter goin' to the slammer-Jail for 2yrs...'that's absolutely crazy!!! Please don't do that to him/NERGAL...'his a outspoken person. Anyway, hope things work out for the best and BEHEMOTH apologize or something. Peace!

# Mar 22, 2010 @ 10:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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293. xDecapitation writes:

lol KerryKing1986 keep it in your pants. Dare I say 300 comments?

# Mar 22, 2010 @ 11:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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294. toxicclown writes:

this is sh**

# Mar 23, 2010 @ 11:51 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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295. Blindgreed1 writes:

We'll easily get to 300 on this thread. Afterall, it is good vs. evil. ;-)

Evanglical Baptist? Bwaaahahahahahaha!!! That explains a lot. "Send me money send me green heaven you will meet... Make a contribution and you'll get a better seat. Bow to leper messiahah".

One of my favorites has always been beware of false prophets. Discuss...

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296. n0thinghead writes:

false prophets... false prophets...false prophets, rule your life!!! \m/

# Mar 23, 2010 @ 5:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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297. Blindgreed1 writes:

You know what this thread needs? Theme music. DB can you get to work on that for us? I was thinking a latin chorus thingy like Ozzy uses for his intro music?

# Mar 23, 2010 @ 8:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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298. killernofiller writes:

Messenger, here's the f*cking low-down.
1) The bible are texts written HUNDREDS of years after the "facts" they supposedly tell....can YOU say "Folklore"? We all know how reliable hand-me-down knowledge is. It's what myth and fable are made of.
2) Jesus was hardly unique...either during or BEFORE his day. There are texts written on stone from some 2000 years previous that tell THE SAME STORY, exept the protagonists name was (don't quote me 'cause I ain't 100% certain) Simon. That area of the world was and still is lousy with self proclaimed Messiah. It's called "Jerusalem Syndrome".
3) There are a good many books of the bible that were excised because they did not conform with the the rest of the message that has been mass force fed upon generation after generation.
4) The bible contains no mention of cromagnon, dinosaurs, kangaroos, or anything else that inhabitants of that place in that point in time would be aware of. The point? Only that one would think that that an all-knowing God would want to offer inarguable proof of the "divine inspiration" behind the writings of the "gospel".
5) Read beyond the 10 commandments we are all familiar with. These additional commandments concern God's rules governing the treatment of your "servants". So I suppose by that way of thinking, slavery is OK as long as it's done in a good Christian fashion.
I know this is beating a dead horse, and I could go on and on all night because of my deep hatred of all things that smack of religion (not just Christianity), but I'll give it a rest for now. OZ, please forgive any misspellings!

# Mar 23, 2010 @ 9:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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299. killernofiller writes:

P.S. - Recommended reading for believers and non-believers alike : "God Is Not Great; How Religion Poisons Everything" by Christopher Hitchens. One of my favorite books, an excellent read from (in my opinion) one of the great thinkers of our time!

# Mar 23, 2010 @ 9:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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300. hellrat writes:

well that about wraps it up nicely Killer....thanks and well done---

should be the end of it....but the mssgr is like Eli in 'there will be blood'....he is absolutely clueless about the clearly transparent fallacy in his sermon and just keeps scrabbling back, convinced that folk around here actually give a flying fvck...there really aren't many places more foolish to go a preachin that rubbish

don't remember what denomination of lunacy ol Eli was....but i do seem to recall that it didn't really work out too well in the end there for him... :)

# Mar 23, 2010 @ 10:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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301. the messenger writes:

Well, thanx for them kind words hellrat - you carry your name well ;-)

post 298 - as for your dinosaurs and cavemen - the Bible DOES infact mention them. The book of Job speaks of wild men dwelling in caves as well as leviathan and behemoth (ironically) which are indeed dinosaurs. Isaiah speaks of the firey flying serpent. The Psalms and Isaiah also speak of 'rahab' which is a sea monster. Elsewhere throughout the Old Testament you will find the usage of the word 'dragon' in the King James version of the Bible. You must remember that the first appearance of the word 'dinosaur' in our english dictionary was in the early 1800's. Before then it was termed as 'dragons'.

i suggest you should actually READ the Bible before judging what it says or does not say. Just a thought.

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 10:01 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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302. hellrat writes:

nah, messenger...absolutely nothing personal---i don't even know who the hell you are (nor do i care to)

just think you're barkin up the wrong tree....there are plenty of places much more receptive to your fanciful allegory

i for one find it rather annoying (much too silly to be offensive)

though i am quite sure such sentiments from your fellow men have no bearing on any sense of discretion you may (not) possess

so i'll now discontinue 'encouraging' you further :)

happy trails there, Prophetito

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 10:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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303. the messenger writes:

Hi hellrat - i noticed your powerslave pic. I'm a maiden fan myself. Did you know that Mcbrain is a christian ? do your research ;-)

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 10:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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304. hellrat writes:

dude, lookey here...i don't give a fvck what ANYone's choice of belief may be

but once someone begins lecturing their faith of whatever persuasion, irrespective of whether or not their 'audience' wants anything to do with their drivel ---then they have crossed the line, and are operating outside the parameters of common decency and social courtesy

believe whatever the hell you want, boy---if it works for you, you should stick with it....but please, just shut up about when you're around others who are not remotely interested in your compulsive fantasy...hell, ya didn't see the nergal dude walkin into the abbey and rippin up the godamned bible did ya?

show some basic human respect

thank you for your consideration, Eli ;)

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 11:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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305. Blindgreed1 writes:

You guys are forgetting the FACT that the bible was fashioned after other previous texts and writings (look up eye for an eye, it goes all the way back to the Sumerians). Even Christian holidays are ripped off from other religions. But you'll never convince the messenger because he has "faith".

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 12:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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306. KanadianKoRn writes:

lol all hail the sun

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 1:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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307. KORNDOGG writes:

Nothing wrong with having faith. I believe having faith is good for the soul. Ill start a new topic, since its clear most of you dont believe in god, and believe we are monkeys, lol. Just very civilized monkeys now. What do you think happens when you pass on? Nothing? That would mean you do not believe in the paranormal either? There is quite a bit of evidence supporting ghosts and such. Residual and intelligent energy. Just would love to hear your thoughts on that! I dont go to church often, but have read the bible more than once. It interests me, along with evolution and some other theorys. I like to look at all sides. In which i have done, I cant help but believe there is more and a higher power. How selfish are we to think we are it, and this is it. I beg to differ, but to each is theie own.

ps- well put messenger about the dinosaur topic. It does mention them in the bible. And of course they wouldnt use the word "dinosaur" since it wasnt the word for them then!

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308. xFiruath writes:

A Christian telling people to read a book before judging it? Talk about a role reversal! Is that a little draft I detect in hell?

For the record, I've read the Bible cover to cover, multiple times. If I had to recommend one book to convince people that Christianity is not real, it wouldn't be by Dawkins, Harris, or Hitchens. It would be the Bible. Anyone with even a shred of logic or reasoning ability who reads that book won't come away thinking that it's anything more than a collection of fairy tales, and they definitely won't be thinking its the sort of book you should basing your moral compass on.

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309. Blindgreed1 writes:

^^^You bring uop a great point. Most of the non-christians I know (including myself) have a better knowledge of the bible than most christians do.

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310. brandedcfh420 writes:

GOD SAID EVERYONE REST UPON THIS MATTER! LET THIS FUTILE ARGUMENT WITH BRAIN DEAD SHEEPLE END. THEY ARE LOST IN HYPOCRISY AND DELUSIONAL STATES OF MIND. LET THEM BELIEVE THIS CHRISTIANITY OOGA BOOGA PROPAGANDA FOR MIND CONTROLLING WEAK MINDED SIMPLETONS.

WHAT CHRISTIANITY REALLY IS:
A BELIEF THAT SOME COSMIC JEWISH ZOMBIE CAN MAKE YOU LIVE FOREVER IF YOU TELEPATHICALLY TELL HIM THAT YOU ACCEPT HIM AS YOUR MASTER, SO HE CAN REMOVE AN EVIL FORCE FROM YOUR SOUL THAT IS PRESENT IN HUMANITY BECAUSE A RIB-WOMAN WAS CONVINCED BY A TALKING SNAKE TO EAT FROM A MAGICAL TREE.

MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!!

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311. KanadianKoRn writes:

lol!!!!!!!!!!!

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 2:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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312. hellrat writes:

goddamn that's fvckin funny...classic :)

and i forgot to say, happy METAL birthday to you dude!

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 2:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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313. KanadianKoRn writes:

that was like some george carlin sh** right there

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 3:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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314. IrishMetal writes:

301 - Leviathan was also thought to be the crocodile, and sea serpent myths and legends abound even today most not remotely related to dinosaurs.

The Behemoth is comparable to the elephant.

Dragons predate all christian philosophy (chinese myths)

Wild men in caves were refugees.

See, you can interpret it whatever way you want. The fact that every single culture in the world (many predating christianity) all had their own myths with monsters comparable to dinosaurs means nothing? Are the norse stories of giants, and fey gods completely untrue? Aztec gods that demanded sacrifices (although old testament god was partial to his bit of burnt offering ;)

Christ is a recycled religious figure that steals lore from many other religions - most prominent example is Mithra (6th century BC)

The main stories of his life are Mithra, with a sprinkling of Horus, Osiris, Sol, Marduk, Adonis, Dionysius, Tammuz... I could go on.

Have faith by all means. As long as it isn't forced upon others, it's harmless. But tout the bible as fact? That just doesn't fly in any way shape or form.

Personally, you may not dismiss other religions. But the vast majority of the people who do believe in their chosen religion, dismiss thousands of others as completely wrong, even though it's generally the same story/morals.

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 9:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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315. Analguest writes:

"How selfish are we to think we are it, and this is it. I beg to differ"

as aleister crowley said in his bokk of the law " I have not seen a man that is not a god already"

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 9:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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316. deathfreak writes:

Im glad to see we are all having fun.

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 10:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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317. the messenger writes:

post 314 - you must read carefully the description given. most liberal scholars will say that behemoth was an elephant or hippo. the text says that behemoth had a tail like a cedar tree. did you ever see the tail of an elephant or hippo ? leviathan was a sea dragon according to our modern terms. read carefully the details. as for the cavemen - were you there ? liberal scholars will deny what the texts say if it conflicts with their scientific bias.

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318. Cynic writes:

"liberal scholars will deny what the texts say if it conflicts with their scientific bias."

Lol, you say that as if you don't have the most ridiculously biased viewpoint of them all.

# Mar 24, 2010 @ 11:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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319. KORNDOGG writes:

Post 314, I see youve used the non-factual storyline to the movie zeitgeist as a point. If research is done, you would find that zeitgeist is complete bull-sh**!!! I bet you think 9-11 was a conspiracy too??

# Mar 25, 2010 @ 1:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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320. IrishMetal writes:

317 - With the behemoth, I was just pointing out that it could be either. Using a simile leaves it wide open to interpretation. "Like a cedar tree" could mean colour, strength, hardness or size. Or it could be a dinosaur descendant that died out not so long ago - using the Roc as an example. Or again, it could just be a monster myth. Look at every single greek and roman myth. Are those not fantastical monsters seen as fact to many back in that time?

The term leviathan as we use it generally means sea beast (whales are leviathans), which I covered with my sea monster myths point. Sea dragons were around long before christianity too ya know (china again)

As for the cavemen - was I there? Does that matter? Were you there? Are wild men in caves limited to being actual cavemen just because it gives some credibility to the bible being accurate history? Or is it likely that they fled war/famine/disease and couldn't stay anywhere. Perhaps descendants of the kingdoms that joshua conquered for the "chosen people"?

Korndogg, I haven't even seen that movie. I take it that's in reference to the last paragraph, which is a commonly used argument? If so, then what about that specific statement is untrue?

And no, I don't think 9-11 was a conspiracy, mostly because I'm not an american who was interested in it.

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# 3 2 1 .

# Mar 25, 2010 @ 8:45 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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322. brandedcfh420 writes:

WHY IS THIS STILL GOING ON?! YOU ARE ALL DISOBEYING THE BIGGEST SERIAL KILLER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD----GOD!! HE SAID END THIS NOOOOOW!!!!

# Mar 25, 2010 @ 8:51 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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323. Blindgreed1 writes:

*Geico caveman gets up and walks out of the room furiously* Now look at what you guys did! Hey caveman, come back dude, nothing on this board is meant to be personal. You guys are D!CKS!

Irish: Sup brotha?

# Mar 25, 2010 @ 5:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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324. Natsquatch writes:

I'm glad that I've decided to sit this whole debate out, 'cause there's a ton of stupidity coming from posters on both sides of it.

On the original topic, all I have to say is what's already been said dozens of times: combining religion and government = bad. However, I highly doubt these charges will hold.

Oh, and Vader >; Behemoth.

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325. killernofiller writes:

BG, post #323 damn near made me squirt my pants...good sh!t....So easy a Christian can do it....Fukkit, said my peace, I'm outtie....

# Mar 25, 2010 @ 9:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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326. hellrat writes:

^^^ "cavemen...so easy a christian can do it!"....now that sh!t is fvckin funny you guys.... :)

regarding to the Nerg...pretty much the bottom line is, or should be:

if the dude rightfully aquired said copy of the damned book (any book!), he should be able to to what ever the hell he pleases with it....

the fact that its even a fvckin issue IS Cave-like...

# Mar 25, 2010 @ 10:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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327. IrishMetal writes:

Natsquatch, it's fun to debate :P

Just don't take it to heart. As long as it stays civil, then you can learn things, and make your own argument stronger once you find it challenged. Or you might even find it torn down. At the very least, it gets people thinking.

I agree with hellrat - if it's his book, then it's his to do with as he pleases.

# Mar 25, 2010 @ 10:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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328. Natsquatch writes:

Oh no, I'm not suggesting that there shouldn't be debate. It can definitely be fun/constructive. But sometimes I'm just not in the mood. For me personally, it would have been rather exhausting and a waste of time and typing when there's so many statements from both sides that I find retarded. So it's just much easier for me to have sat this one out and observed from the sidelines, haha.

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329. Analguest writes:

aparently inteligent people don't talk about obvious things so there so need to say something that you point has been said a dozen times already.

vader used to be better than behemoth untill i think satanica or zos kia cultus from then on behemoth took the lead as a band that ctually develops both sound and arrangement-wise, whereas vader still play the same stuff that doesn't impress anyone anymore.Peter has to finally let the others have a say on the music or at least stop pising everyone off so they don't quit the band.
example: daray-playing with dimmu borgir now :D

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 2:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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330. 7stringedFiend writes:

#22:

do you think it should be the law?
Do you think it fair that somebodys offense, can steal 2 years of somebodys life?

If somebody "offended" you, would you happily put them away for 2 years?

Seriously it's stupid... Nothing else gets such protection
If somebody says my music taste is sh**, they don't get put away for 2 years, I just shrug it off.
but f***ing hell.. if somebody insults your imaginary friend..

If he thinks something is sh**, he should be allowed to say so, if people are "offended" it's thier own problem.

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 9:13 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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331. Blindgreed1 writes:

NAT: I'm going to have to agree with Anaguest regarding Vader and Behemoth.

So we have a mixing of religion and government. What do you think the result would be if we had a mixing of metal and government? Discuss...

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 11:00 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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332. KORNDOGG writes:

Irish- I was referring to your comments on the other "gods" that some believe christianity copied off of. Like Mithra, Horus, Odinas, ect. The basis of zeitgeist is that they are all the same. Born to a virgin, 25th of dec., crucified, resurected, ect. And after watching that movie, I will admit it made me question everything I was ever told or taught. Interesting to say the least. So I had to do research on it. With out going into detail, which I very well could, It is false that all those gods shared all the same things in which christianity copied off them. It was a very well spoken movie, to bash jesus and speak of conspiracies like 9-11, ect. So thats what I meant. If you havent seen it, its worth your time. But no proof of any thing they speak about in the movie. All opinionated.

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 11:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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333. Blindgreed1 writes:

FYI KD, the date (12/25) was adopted in alliance with winter solstace (Pagan). Any historian can back that up.

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 11:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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334. IrishMetal writes:

KD, I don't know what research you did, but norse mythology (which I'm heavily interested in) has direct parallels with christianity, and an interweaving of beliefs due to christianity moving into the area at that time. But it's clear to see what came from where.

Most of those gods mentioned share small parts, some major parts.

Dionysus - god who made the first wine vs Jesus, who can turn water into wine (one upsmanship in action). Killed before birth, but brought to life in various ways (virgin birth at the same time)

Osiris, death and revivification on a 3 day cycle, also his 16 dismembered body parts represented by bread, and eaten.

Chinese zodiac, 12 animals/12disciples.

All the others may not have whatever the zeitgeist said (birth dates, whatever) but there are parallels to be drawn.

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 12:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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335. KORNDOGG writes:

Ill try not to make this too long. But this kind of debate does interest me. And Irish and BG made very good points. Ill explain some of the research i did. Because like i said, this movie really blew me away, and opened my mind. Made me question christianity, so I had to research. Read many, many books. Ill bring up Horus- the god of the sun, or at least what the movie portrayed him as. It says Horus was born on Dec 25th, which is false. It was the Egyptian month Khoiak (which is november on our calenders). Says hes born of the virgin Isis-meri, in research he was born by Isis, but no follwoing name "mary", and she was not a virgin, but a widow of Orisis. Says he was crucified, buried for 3 days and resurected. False again- there is no proof of him being crucified, in 3000 BC where it dates Horus, crucifixion wasnt even invented, nor practiced until thousands of years later. Ect.
Mithras wasnt born of a virgin either, it states Mithras emerged from a rock. I will agree I have read some similarities as you have said. But nothing that is evidence of christianity stealing ideas or copied any mythology. While it all interests me, which is why I researched it. I guess we all believe what we believe. Not many scientists or historians will make these comparisions between christianity and others being one of the same. Because no accounts or proof is there. There is more,lol, but Ill cut it short.

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 12:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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336. Blindgreed1 writes:

KD: Disovery channel has a special every Halloween that clearly shows which holidays were derived from which religions (Paganism being the biggest parralel with Christianity). They back it up with the accounts, evidence and the proof you seek.

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 1:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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337. the messenger writes:

It's very true that these supposedly christian holydays can be traced back to early paganism. It was actually the catholic church that blended their christianity with paganism after constantine. Technically speaking - these holydays aren't Biblical. Nowhere do you see in the New Testament the 1st century christians celebrating christmas, etc....The only 3 that are mentionned in scriptures are the jewish feast days, the sabbath and the Lord's day for worship. everything else comes from idolotrous pagan rome.

Now, no need to throw stones at me - i am just simply agreeing with you guys ;-)

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 3:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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338. the messenger writes:

Oh, if anyone doubts if the roman catholic church is pagan - just take a look at whats standing outside in front of the vatican - an egyptian obelisk - a monument to the egyptian sun god RA.

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 3:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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339. IrishMetal writes:

Well, if you agree on that, is it too much of a stretch to see that a lot of the bible is common moral sense, and other parts could well be taken from myths, all woven together into a pretty story?

Personally, I found the bible has some good stories for pure reading value. And the things in it that make sense to actually live by are pretty blindingly obvious without having to read it. But I suppose that's were people differ. They're worried about an afterlife, and by association all the rules for getting accepted, and I'm not.

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 4:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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340. the messenger writes:

IF the Bible were a product of the catholic church then you would have a point - but it isn't. The Sacred Scriptures and the catholic church have NOTHING in common. The catholic church is antibiblical in practice and the office of the papacy is the seat of antichrist.

So i would consider it to be a great stretch to assume that the Bible contains pagan myths. To assume that the Bible contains pagan myths BECAUSE the roman catholic church is built on pagan myths is defective aristotolan logic. It would be like saying : all crows are black. my shoe is black - therefore my shoe is a crow (not the best example - but you get the point ;-)

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 10:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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341. the messenger writes:

Ironically, The roman catholic church and Nergal are on the same team :-)

# Mar 26, 2010 @ 10:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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342. hellrat writes:

well yee haw, Eli...

what else do ya know?

not a very good diplomat there, reverend....

you'll apparently conform to almost ANY angle thrown your way, NO?

...treacherous ba$tard :)

# Mar 27, 2010 @ 12:20 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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343. the messenger writes:

You sure do give HONOR to that name you carry
- hellrat ;-)

# Mar 27, 2010 @ 4:04 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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344. Ebriadhaskashael writes:

If the pope isn't arrested by human rights laws for claiming to African communities that contraception gives you aids then Nergal shouldn't be arrested for telling the RCC to go f*** itself.

"the messenger"'s comment about faulty logic with cows and shoes is a good analogy for what he said about the church being pagan because it has incorporated pagan festival DATES and IMAGERY into its doctrine. You are a poor intellectual; try learning to argue better before posting fallacious crap like that on a page it has no business being on (even if it were correct, your argument isn't going anywhere).

# Mar 27, 2010 @ 5:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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345. Lijemo writes:

I remember back in the days of Usenet, trolls used to post a seemingly innocuous theological question-- but they'd cross-post it to alt.religion.christianity, alt.religion.pagan, alt.religion.wicca, and alt.releigion.satanism, so any response that was made to the thread would go to all four groups.

This debate is downright civil and reasonable, compared to those flamewars.

# Mar 27, 2010 @ 9:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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346. chrye writes:

That is wrong in my opinion, i believe the Bible 100% and allot in the bible is hapening now and it is coming to the point where the powers of this world are going to agree with 1 money system and a world that is faked out by the ball handeling of these leaders, That say in order to overcome the world ecol colasp we must join 2 gether and we will defiet hunger and the crises of this time, That is why you are seeing healthcare in usa that is not for the usa but the global agenda, Now im for healthcare when it don,t hurt my mother on medicare it does the are taking away from that program to what they say help fund. Bigger is the major companies being hit a-tt over a billion in cost they have to pay by this plan and it is not only they many msjor companies is going yo pay nillions and some billions, Now that said i got a job but not even middle class can see a-tt my have to cut jobs cause of this and all the other companies you heard of switch and bait give people what they want least by words and add more to it, Thats why knowone seen the bill untill it passed! Make america fall economy and those who once had now does not you think they want to choose a global plan so mabe they have and and not have not.. sorry people i love metal! I might not agree with what all is said in some bands! But we can't arrest people for ripping a bible just like we shoulded arrest people for reading we all should have that right at least.

# Mar 27, 2010 @ 8:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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347. woman of dark desires writes:

I guess criminal activity must be pretty dry over in Poland. If he is indeed imprisoned over ripping a bible, you might as well imprison everyone else who doesn't believe in Christianity. Religion does more bad than good these days and people aren't always going to believe what you believe in. Just get the f*** over it.

# Mar 28, 2010 @ 5:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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348. Cynic writes:

Healthcare bill = sign of the antichrist. You heard it here first from chrye.

# Mar 28, 2010 @ 7:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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349. Blindgreed1 writes:

Cynic: LMAO!!!

# Mar 29, 2010 @ 11:12 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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350. Blindgreed1 writes:

Oh yeah... 350.

# Mar 29, 2010 @ 11:14 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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351. RTB writes:

HR, ES, LOL....good sh!t guys...wednesday is my drinking day this week.....beware....
Bg, didnt i see you at that tea party rally at tucson on friday? Could have sworn it was you.....anyways everyone VOTE PALIN!!!

# Mar 29, 2010 @ 12:08 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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352. brandedcfh420 writes:

palin is a new wrold order cronie!! she is not on the side of freedom and the american people!!!

# Mar 29, 2010 @ 12:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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353. brandedcfh420 writes:

damnit, new world order............

# Mar 29, 2010 @ 12:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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354. RTB writes:

420 how can you say that....
She's for the little man, the joe the plummer types, she represents truth, honor, integrity, family core values and passion for one s country....tea party express dot org 420....be part of the american dream....
*schtick*
Sorry bro the sarcasm level is on full tilt right now...i'll turn it down....
But in all seriousness, say what you want about her, but you cant sell me that we as americans are better off with barack obama....he's about as ballsy as jimmy carter ever was/is.....anyways B, have a good one, hope all is well in NC

# Mar 29, 2010 @ 12:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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355. Blindgreed1 writes:

RTB: Nah it wasn't me. I had bigger fish to fry.

# Mar 29, 2010 @ 1:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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356. RTB writes:

My mistake bg,...keep on rockin phoenix

# Mar 29, 2010 @ 1:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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357. Blindgreed1 writes:

No harm no foul RTB. \m/

# Mar 29, 2010 @ 6:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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358. finnish writes:

i f***ing cant understand this? cant be f***ing true... oh my f***ing... oh right f*** you "GOD"

# Mar 30, 2010 @ 1:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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359. hellrat writes:

come on metallers, what happened to all the fun???

the Finn is wigging out in the north and can't make sense of anything after a long dark winter of cabin fever... :)

where the hell's ol mssgr gone off to?? studying up, i'll wager...or maybe he's already gone away on the 'real' mission of global salvation itself....well, i reckon we gave him some decent training anyway...

may the force be with him...good luck Eli !! ;)

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360. XxSorrowxX writes:

i like him! but ripping up the bible thats not cool 2 meh!

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