13 Year Old B4MV Fan Hung Himself After Internet Bullying
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A teenager said to have been bullied on the social networking site Bebo has been found hanged in his bedroom. Sam Leeson's family say the 13-year-old was picked on by other users of the site because of his 'alternative appearance' and his taste in music.
Sam, of Tredworth, Gloucestershire, was found on Thursday by his mother, Sally Cope, and another sister, Katie, 12, when they returned from a short shopping trip. A short time before, Sam had seemed 'perfectly normal', answering the door to a friend of Katie, Miss Cope added.
"I'm not sure what influence these sites have - but if they are a method of expressing things, maybe they should be checked more," said 45-year-old Sally Cope. "He was into his appearance and often wore his black skinny jeans. He was an alternative dresser and I think other teenagers did used to make comments about that."
Bebo users who taunted Sam on the site have since left messages apologising for their conduct. Sam was a fan of alternative rock bands such as the Foo Fighters and Slipknot, as well as so-called Emo music, championed by bands such as blink-182 and Good Charlotte.
Miss Cope, a tutor who works with disadvantaged youths, called for greater monitoring of teenage boys in schools, particularly 'quiet, hardworking' ones such as her son. "I have seen from my work that there are plenty of resources thrown at those who have become disengaged with the educational system, or society generally," she said. "But the ones who don't disrupt the class, who do what they are told, like Sam, can be overlooked."
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124 Comments on "13 Year Old B4MV Fan Hung Himself"
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7. writes:
I know that these kids did'nt go to this kids house and force him to do what he did, but come on man. This is american damn it. Its every person in this counties fundimintal right to express themsevles however they see fit. Its sad when ever you got some other punk a$$ sons of b****es who feel its their duty to harash you for how you choose to express yourself. I certainly don't care for any emo stuff, but I don't get on web sites and call peope fags for liking the music. Take that sh** back too those communist countires.
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Lol @ Suicide Silence, you mean the same emocore geniuses who wrote,
"Holding you down by your throat
Just enough to keep your f***ing mouth shut
Can't stand to hear you scream god
Because he's not f***ing here b****
And how does it feel now?
Don't worry you're not another rape victim
It's just me destroying your beauty"
As far as real suicide, A. Schopenhauer wrote,
"They tell us that suicide is the greatest piece of cowardice... that suicide is wrong; when it is quite obvious that there is nothing in the world to which every man has a more unassailable title than to his own life and person."
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My opinion of SS is very different these days. I used to hate them but I actually listened to them and I liked what I heard. Good especially for deathcore haha. Hey Kalis, or anyone ever heard of the Californian band Graf Orlok?they are a scifi grindcore band. Saw them twice this weekend. They ruled so much. Got the album and EPs. I'll burn it for ya and the new Carpathian album too. Comes out friday
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17. writes:
That story is sad,whats even sadder is how people think its ok to put down others cause their different,its ignorance like this that makes me mad,my condolences to the kids family and also on a lighter note I liked the joker quote listen 2 autumn eyes mentioned.
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19. writes:
"They tell us that suicide is the greatest piece of cowardice..."
Never did understand that one. Our natural instinct is to live as long as we can so if we kill ourselves we are conquerering our basic instincts. It is the bravest thing one can do. NO ONE knows 100% what is beyond and that frightens alot of people so I say it is pretty brave to take a head start to see what is beyond not knowing if you will just rot in the ground or not (if atheism is correct anyway).
Sad story none the less.
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24. writes:
Its really a shame. Idiots who call themselves "humans" are allowed to bully people and make them feel that way. If kids want to listen to Emo or whatever then i say go for it, not my bag baby, but if that what you want to do, do it.
As for the suicide thing i cant think of a geater expression of a persons control over their own life. But it is a shame that the kid was so young. These sorts of websites clearly need to be monitored more.
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It is a sad state that kids have to put down others to that point, just to make themselves feel better. I hope to raise my kids better than that and that they are not the ones picked (excessively) on either.
On the emo ban in Russia front, this would be exactly the problem with a ban, as those "emo" bands named in this article are pure pop-punk. People just can't get their sh** straight when classifying music and everything "trendy" (those pop-punk bands are past their prime even) gets the latest trendy label, which still seems to be "emo."
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^double post= spam! Deathbringer you must now ban yourelf from Metal Underground forever!
I say, f*** this kid. I barely accept Kurt Cobain's suicide as something semi-justified, and that man was not only f***ed up as hell in life, his stance as an ideologist f***ed him up mentaly even more, so whatever for him. But this kid? Sure, maybe he had some bigger issues he was dealing with, but I sincerely doubt he had anything to give two sh**s about in his life to the point that suicide is excusable at all. If someone picks on you, f***in accept it and move on and be yourself. If it really bothers you, you can either change yourself to remove the criticisms, or man up and start a fight so that at least they can't call you a b****. From what I read here, this kid has no good reason why he couldn't have just sucked it up and tried to enjoy life a bit more instead of f***in hangin himself...
And honestly, who the f*** hangs themselves these days? I thought the new thing was the razors? What is this, The 1960's?
Why SO seRioUs!??!
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I hate the poser emo culture, i will talk to them as long as music is left out of it completly. Some f***er called me an emo the other day .. was wearing a mayhem t-shirt and normal cloths ffs .. and sure as hell dont have a trendy pokemon haircut. Non alternative people class everyone in the same category, emos metalers goths punks no matter how much we all critisize eachother, thats how we are seen.
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While I feel suicide is a copout, It still sucks to see someone so young take their own life. AS much as I hate emo culture, I don't tease people about it. whatever floats your boat I say.
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Personally, I can't see how suicide can be looked at as being "the bravest thing one can do". It is by all means the cowards way out. Sure, no one knows for certain what awaits us beyond death, but that doesn't matter to the person taking their own life. They would much rather choose death rather than continuing with their own life because they don't have the courage to make it better for themselves. There's nothing brave about killing yourself. People are given this gift called life and it's up to us to make the best out of it and not just throw it away.
I don't know the circumstances surrounding this kid's suicide, aside from the internet bullying. But I do wish that he had more courage to seek help, rise above and become stronger than that. I am not, by any means, bashing this kid for doing what he did. I see how much pressure kids are under these days, and all the pressure they put on each other.
Who's to blame? Could be all those bastards giving so much crap to this poor kid. Could be his parents for not teaching him other methods of dealing with all the "cyber" attacks. Who knows. The blame game shouldn't really be brought into this anyways. A child took his own life, and I would hope that more people would learn from this and what many other unfortunate events have come to produce. We need to wake up and realize that bullying has a major affect on a child's psychological stability, and that truly hurts more than any kick or punch ever could.
I am deeply saddened by this. I have 2 nieces that are the same age as this kid whom I love to death. I don't know what I would do if I had found that they had died, by suicide or not.
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Wtf @ the comments here, they're pathetic.... Grow up fags, everyone has different tastes and bullying someone because of his/her taste is very very sad... I hope they hang up the people who bullied (spelling?) him.
I feel very sorry for this kid and his family, what a f*cked up world we live in...
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Sigh, i've lost track of the amount of times i have read about a child of sam's age taking thier own life, why can't people accept someone for who they are, rather than the way they look or dress. So what if his dress sense was emo etc, it's what made him happy and an individual.
R. I. P Sam :(
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45. writes:
brandedcfh420 YOU ARE TRULY A f***ING SIMPLE CREATURE. "WASN'T TOO MUCH OF A MAN WITH BALLS"? HE WAS 13, YOU STUPID PIECE OF TRASH. I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW "MUCH OF A MAN WITH BALLS" YOU WERE @ 13. YOU ARE A RETARDED AND SHOULD HANG YOURSELF SO YOU WILL NOT CONTAMINATE THE REST OF THE HUMAN RACE.
OH YEAH, f*** CALIFORNIA!!!!
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ok bigstick, at 13 i was out in the world mowing yards for money. washing cars for money. helping clean up bad areas for money. i wasnt sitting around listening to sh1tty music and contemplating suicide. i was picked on all the time at 13. bullied all the time at 13. i never tried to kill myself because others were bullying me all the time. no matter what age someone is, if they kill themselves over something as trivial as bullying, then they truly got what they deserved. APPARENTLY HE DIDNT STAND UP FOR HIMSELF. HE LET HIS "EMO" FEELINGS DECIDE THAT DEATH WAS BETTER. WHAT A FUKING JOKE!! and you can flame me all you want, i will laugh at you everytime!!!
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"the Foo Fighters and Slipknot, as well as so-called Emo music, championed by bands such as blink-182 and Good Charlotte." why even put slipknot in the same sentence as thos other gay a$$ bands. lets face it the world wud be a betta place without emos. i say let em wipe themselfs out
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What the hell people, quit hatin'! This situation is above all of those labels that we carry out: EMO being one of them. If it was a metal head who killed himself, that would be just as dumb. You all should be ashamed of yourselves...I thought you knew better, us metal heads know what it's like 2 be judged b-cuz of the way we look/our taste in music, so don't be a hypocrite, please. I'm not saying you have 2 like emos or whatever, but be mature and have some respect for a HUMAN life, NO MATTER WHAT LABEL HE'S UNDER.
Besides, lots of kids who aren't emo have killed themselves and that's a fact. The kid is dead, and there's nothing we can do about it. RIP.
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I don't support people taking away their own lives, but its no laughing matter dude, I think it's those dumb f***s who bullied the kid are sick to have made him feel bad...I mean, its not their fault the child killed himself, but it sad to think that those bullies felt good about putting someone down, just like DeathBringer said on post 25. Sure, some people could man up and stand up 4 themselves, but not everyone is the same.
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Agree with you for once Jenny. Post 36 was way out of line. My uncle killed himself. I bet there was more than just bullying himself that pushed him to it. There would have been all kinds of crap eating at him big deal you were working when you were 13, I bet lots of kids who found life too hard and killed themselves had jobs. Show some respect for your fellow humans. That is why animals are better than us. At least the don't fight over petty sh**. I just watched David Antenbourah or however you spell it haha
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so what i was out of line. blah blah blah...i will forever feel no sympathy or pitty for those that kill themselves. ive had a friends in the past who killed themselves over less than what he did it over. and i didnt go to their funerals. inner strength and perseverance will always win against the things he killed himself over. STAND UP AND BE STRONG ON THE INSIDE!!! dont let your emo feelings rule u!! others on here say they are loling and im the one taking all the flak...
i just said he wasnt man enought o stand up and fight back, and his dress code is what led to his death. never said i was laughing at his death. just shows another emo prissy who hated life!! life sux but im not trying to kill myself over how sucky life is these days in the world.
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On both sides I wonder where the parents were? By that I mean the parents of the kid who hung himself and the parents of the kids being a$$holes. I am not one to tell parents how to raise their kids, but am a firm believer in parents monitoring their childrens internet activity and all that comes with it!
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Clearly you have no respect for anyone but yourself. Just because he didn't stick up for himself it doesn't mean he wasn't a "man". Media might say he was "emo" but last I looked Slipknot, Foo Fighters and Blink 182 were not emo. And emo feelings? Doesn't really make much sense because emo is short for emotional and all feelings are emotions.
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Some of these comments are pretty harsh...a life...even a fukkin' EMO life is STILL a life. Suicide is NOT the answer..it is disturbing to read some of these comments. Everyone has contemplated suicide one time or another..if you have not - you are probably FULL of sh**...again..personal opinion.. Life sucks - but not everyone can "suck it up" and move on..I work with youth and see staggering amounts of cases - emo music doesn't bring on suicidal thoughts, stressors, a fujked up family life, and a feeling of hopelessness, and isolation brings on these thoughts. Being ostracized by your peers..that is tough. As adults we can say that bullying doesn't bother us..but as kids, can we honestly say that? At age 13? I can't.
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I am not at all defending what this kid did to himself, though. I just think that all life is precious. Emo people too. The Christian up-bringing, I suppose, however, my family had problems, as well. Plain and simple - in my eyes - this is a tragedy. Maybe we ought to heed grandma's advice - if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all. It is quite easy to say awful things because we didn't know this kid - had no idea if he was abused, beaten up regularly, sexually abused, all we hear is that he was bullied online...yet some on this site - find it so easy to say awful things about this kid. There is a word called empathy. Look it up. We may never know what pushed this kid to commit suicide. It is a tragedy, nonetheless.
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Well, I am going to pose a rather deep questions; Why are not parents teaching their kids at an early age not to A.) Be strong and teach them of the things that people will say and do to try to pull them down and B.) Teach their children how to deal with it?
In the age of the internet kids are exposed to many things that can be dangerouse. Sexual preditors use it as a candy shop and bullys use it to bring the haseing home. At age 13 is when most sites allow membership and such and think that for many kids they are not being taught the proper usage of the internet, how to handle what it brings into their life and that its not always just a game and this kid is prime example.
The other side of the coin is the bullys. Their parents clearly failed in that big lesson in life and that is acceptance of others and THAT in my opinion should be something the parents and kids should pay dearly for! I believe what they did with the excessive haseing and it being the result of death should be a jailable offence!
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To Kalis - you make an excellent point..if the parents are pretty much absentees...meaning their social lives or work responsibilities are more important to them than their struggling child...the kid might feel abandoned. Also it is very common now for parents to be using drugs, and just leaving their kids at home...latch key kids...whatever the case..the parent or parents overlooked how BIG his problems were. I have talked to a couple of parents doing routine crisis intervention services through my agency, and the parents are shocked that their kid would even attempt suicide. I mean they are literally speechless.and tell me I never thought my son/daughter was struggling so much with these feelings.
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At the very least Kalis - those internet "bullies" should be banned from using Bebo, and other chat, networking services..perhaps even put a huge scare into them ..by having the police or FBI seize their computers...now that would freak me the hell out. Justice will be served..on earth or in heaven.
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They would had they been paying attention! Being a parent is not easy and never was, but its a responsibility, not a joke! I for one am sick of parents like the kids on that site that just say "oops! Fvcked that up! Oh well." Personally I am glad for now not to be a parent as I am not ready to be one and most likely infertile, but damm! I could do a better job than 90 percent of parents could ever dream of!
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Their parents should be charged with neglect and their computers seized and black listed from being able to buy another. Fines should be paid in the ammount of 15 percent of their monthly wages per month to the family of the dead and 500 hours of community service served.
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I hate the psychos in here who think "hardening up" is the answer. Newsflash f***wits, not everyone is so naive as to believe life always have a happy ending. Not everything can be overcome, life is NOT always worth it and suicide is just as valid an answer. This is a reflection on suicide itself, not on this kid.
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69. writes:
ok, firstly these sorts of sites have block buttons, so obviously this kid wasnt the brightest of them all... secondly, brandedcfh420, eat a FUKKING DIKK!!!!! not every1 that kills emself is emo, and jeez, ur probz 1 of the guys that makes ppl wana hang themselves... i got picked on from age 7 till now, (17), and yeah, i contemplated suicide... y didnt i do it? coz i wantd to take the rest with me... lol... and, also i hardnd up and beat some ppl that gave me sh**... suicide isnt the answer, and, being emo, does kinda sukk tho..
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I am not sorry that I sound harsh to some of you.
I hardly think that being a saint means that you have an excuse to neglect your childs emotions. I also dont think that "not everyone can just overcome," as that is a bi-product of how one is raised. People are never just pre-packaged weak or strong. Would you expect to throw a soldier into battle and think he or she knows what to do to survive? No. One must be trained to fight.
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72. writes:
My best friend hung himself last september, ill never understand that fully, but i do know this situation has nothing to do B4MV or any other music, music is a means of expression, their was alot going on with him from a psychological perspective, my respects to his family
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Cynic:
"Newsflash f***wits, not everyone is so naive as to believe life always have a happy ending. Not everything can be overcome, life is NOT always worth it and suicide is just as valid an answer."
People who kill themselves are among the weakest people I know or have heard of. The people that your calling out Cynic don't necessarily believe that life always has a happy ending. I for one, KNOW that life isn't always strawberries and whipped cream and I take it as it comes. But I confront my problems and deal with them instead of just taking it. This kids and idiot not because of the style or personality he has, but for the fact that he killed himself and took the cowards way out. Instead of sticking up for himself or merely ignoring the hateful comments, he took them to heart, and chose the weaker way out by killing himself. He not only ended his life foolishly at a young age, but has now left his family to clean up the pieces. Over what? Some INTERNET bullies called him a tight jean wearing fa**ot. Who gives a f***. Man up p***y. Your f***ing 13, there's tougher sh** out there. Tough times never last, but tough people do.
As far as the parents being at fault for the kid hanging himself, I hardly believe that. Its the f***ing internet, if the parents intruded on his life and looked at his bebo page. The kid would have thrown himself into a pre-pubescent rampage about his parents not leaving him alone blah blah blah. I don't want to make any major assumptions here, but everyone had the rebellious stage growing up, and trust me, that would only have fueled it for me.
The internet bullies did nothing wrong. That's who they are. If anything, the 13 year old should have learned from the experience and grown from it. Instead he ended his life prematurely. who knows, maybe one day the so called "bullies" will get theirs.
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"I hardly think that being a saint means that you have an excuse to neglect your childs emotions"
Did you read the article at all, Kali? The mother clearly states that the child was always happy around his family, always telling them how much he loved them. I have yet to see the case where a neglected child behaves like that. A parent is a person, not a god. They can't be there constantly, they can't get everything right, they can only do their best, and the article gives a clear impression that this family has done just that.
"I also dont think that "not everyone can just overcome," as that is a bi-product of how one is raised. People are never just pre-packaged weak or strong."
The Nature vs Nurture debate dates back to ancient greece and some of history's most celebrated minds. I hardly think that you know for a fact exactly what behaviour is a result of one or the other.
"The kid would have thrown himself into a pre-pubescent rampage about his parents not leaving him alone blah blah blah"
Now THAT is a well-reasoned observation of child reactionary behaviour. Give a teenager any reason to rebel, particularly towards their parents, and there's a great chance they will. Not all teenagers, obviously, are like this, and there is a degree of intensity of tendency to rebel that varies from child to child. Nevertheless, the odds remain fervantly in favour of exactly that observation.
I'm seeing too many opinions and judgements in this thread, most of it based on scant logic. Perhaps the problem is that we've all had the oppurtunity to learn from our experiences as teenagers, and have forgotten what it was like to not have that experience (and perhaps also forgotten just how powerful those hormones were!). It would be interesting to hear the perspectives of a group of 13 year olds on this whole issue. And it would be even more interesting to hear the perspectives of 13 year olds who have committed suicide, but I'm not really getting my hopes up on that one happening, hahah.
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Life is even harder who think "manning up" is the answer, one day your gonna have to turn for help and people who think that they are always going to be able to rise up because they are man enough will find that they won't have friend to turn to. Shouldn't there have been help at school for him? Here they have tons of different programs to help kids in and out of school. Also kalis, remember kids at that age will often hide things from their parents. I know I did.
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"People who kill themselves are among the weakest people I know or have heard of. "
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You totally missed my point bristowe. Every person has the right to their own beliefs and life. Who makes you the judge of whether it's right they take their life or not? You hold values where all things should/can be overcome and a good life is a priority. I personally hold the belief that life is not always worth it, and making a logical decision that ending your life is a better choice than suffering it takes shows intelligence and balls.
Bottom line, there's nothing cowardly about making a sensible choice. Your like the general that sends his troops to their deaths as a matter of pride, where I'd retreat to fight another day (except weirdly reversed haha). Everyone dies, this kid just decided he wanted to end his life early. Now maybe your real problem is that the reasons he killed himself were frivolous, which is fine. But in general having the intelligence to see that life isn't worth living when it isn't - that's f***ing tough.
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"Shouldn't there have been help at school for him?"
Every school is required to have a school counselor(s). But now-a-days its never "cool" to go and speak with your counselor. Especially if you were this kid and were already being picked on for various things, speaking to an adult would only pile on top of the list of emotional problems he was already facing. As far as manning up. Every person who is at least remotely sensible will be able to deal with there own problems. The way I see it, if they get into a problem that they cannot deal with on there own they made a wrong choice back down the road. Existence precedes consciousness. Basically, its mankind's most prominent trait to want to survive. I would apply this to mental AND physical stability.
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Ok, I didn't want to read all 9,000 posts so here's my two cents. Regardless of whether this is true or not is up for debate but some psycologists believe that since the beginning of man we have had the need for chaos, and as civilation progressed we understood that violent actions were not the only valid solution for what we wanted to gain. Therefore, all the instinctual savage behavior became supressed and thus created chemical inbalances. I myself have had suicidal thoughts, and am on prescribtion medication for it, because I would've done something I would've regreted. Well....unless I would have killed myself because there's not much for me to regret in that scenario. Nobody just offs themselves, Something triggers it. With the exception of Hunter S. Thompson but he wasn't human anyways. Point being who are you to judge anyone for their decisions? It says it in the bible and it makes sense. Just leave people the f*** be. I'm tired of typing so somebody debate with me. :) Cmon cmooooon! What else have you to do?
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i spoke with my counsellor at skool... it helpd slightly, but the sh** didnt stop... suicide aint the way to go... but, sometimes its all u can comprehend... at least he didnt go mad with a shotty.. lol...
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Drewbacca - Hunter Thompson was a brilliant, brilliant man! Or at least, a brilliant mind.
I'll debate you:
"who are you to judge anyone for their decisions?"
Who am I not to judge? Whether I judge another or not is immaterial - the real point here is 'who am I to think my judgements matter?' Everybody judges, always will. No end to that. Natural. It's those that take themselves too seriously that are the problem, if we insist on having one. Does it matter if I judge? No. Do my judgements themselves matter? No. When we cannot arrive at that conclusion, we find ourselves taking needless things to heart. Thence pride, jealousy, anger, suicide, depression, and a whole rhetoric of other such nonsense.
Nothing matters, including that.
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why am i the one taking all the fuking flak here. others have made more harsh comments than i did. YES THE KID WAS A PU$$Y FOR NOT STANDING UP FOR HIMSELF. WHAT A PRISSY a$$ B1TCH HE TURNED OUT TO BE. IN SCHOOLS TODAY TALKING TO A COUNSELOR WILL ONLY MAKE THE SITIUATION WORSE!!!!!! TO THOSE THAT THINKING THAT TALKING TO SOME1 HELPS, WAKE UP!! THIS DAY AND AGE IF YOU DONT STAND UP AND FIGHT BACK YOU ARE WEAK!! BY MAKING THE DECISION HE DID ONLY SHOWED HOW WEAK MINDED HE TRULY WAS. GO AHEAD AND KEEP ATTACKING ME. I DONT CARE! I WILL STILL CALL ANY1 WHO COMMITS SUICIDE A FUKIN COWARDLY PU$$Y!!!! EVEN MY FRIENDS WHO KILLED THEMSELVES MANY YRS AGO, IM NY OPINION, ARE COWARDLY PU$$IES!!
IF HE LOVED HIS FAMILY SO MUCH, THEN WHY DID HE HURT THEM IN THIS WAY? GUESS HE WAS TOO STUPID TO THINK IT OUT!! IF HE ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, HE WOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT WHAT HE INTENDED TO DO WOULD HURT THOSE THAT HE SAID HE LOVES. TRUE OR FALSE?!?!?!? INSTEAD HE LET HIS GAY A$$ EMOTIONS MAKE THE DECISION FOR HIM! IF HE WAS SO UPSET AT OTHERS BULLYING HIM ABOUT HIS DRESS CODE THEN WHY DIDNT HE TRY TO CHANGE A FEW THINGS. HE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED DEEP INSIDE HIMSELF AND MADE A DIFFERENT DECISION, BUT HE DIDNT. COWARD!!!!
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I love this strong vs weak argument. It reminds me of evolution. And, technically, based in this strong vs weak argument, I should be dead. I say that because I provide no real substance as far as the survival of our species goes. I don't plan on procreating. I have no physical strength in terms of labor (I'll need help even breathing in about 10-15 years, sooner if I contract a serious respiratory illness). And intellectually I'm a poet, but how that aids a person to survive, I've yet to see. So, I'm utterly useless! God bless modern society! (I'm agnostic too, so no help there either)
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91. writes:
B4MV should change their gay name to something gayer like "Every Teen Dies All The Time" or some metalcore anagrammed name like "All Dogs Die In The Winter" or "What Happened To Courtney's Motorboat Ride" or "Every Band With A Name Like This Makes Out With Grandma".
But what can you say, really? This genre of music begs this kind of attention. When you're up there complaining about how bad life is, and then the kids, who ARE depressed, get to watch you walk offstage with a gorgeous blonde on each arm, texting someone on your Blackberry, surrounded by throngs of fans, on the way to the air-conditioned tour bus to, presumably, roll around in money with naked hot chicks until sunrise, the jig is up, the cat's out of the bag, and your fans feel betrayed. You're not really as artistically honest as you claim, with your hot topic mohawks and wristbands. And with the music itself actually sucking the paint off of easter eggs like it does, it's no wonder that this kid wanted to die. Can you imagine how depressed he was? Or actually, can you imagine how depressed he THOUGHT he was?
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Oh man, god forbid music has any emotion behind it. Watch out big bands, little a$$holes that are trying to f*** their mom are bashing you on a computer while masturbating with the other hand. MUSIC IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE EMOTION TO IT DIPsh**. Jonathan Davis cried himself offstage at a concert before. Why? BECAUSE THERE'S EMOTION IN MUSIC. WITHOUT EMOTION, IT'S WORTHLESS.
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crimson, we understand all music has emotions i it. but emo music makes the stupid weak cowards out there do what this weakling did. look at all the trendy cutters out there that cut themselves because mommy and daddy dont show enough attention. boo hoo. my entire family from birth ignored me, pushed me off to the side, etc...i didnt cut myself or kill myself. and most of all i never let any music push me over the edge. and i do agree without emotion its worthless. but letting something as stupid as cyber-bullying make you kill yourself?!?!?!?!?! come on, there was more to it than just that!!!
maybe the usa needs to follow russias lead and ban the gay a$$ emo trend.
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Bullet For My Valentine isn't emo. Emo originated in the 80's as Emotional hardcore. Skid Row was emo. Bullet isn't. even by today's standards for what emo is, Bullet isn't. I'll agree with you, I hate modern emo and goth. I love the originals, but I hate what a$$holes have turned it into. And it isn't that everyone who's depressed cuts. For some it works. For most others, they don't understand it. It's an addiction. And cutting doesn't lead to suicide. It's a form of survival. You do it to try to cope with life's issues. And suicuide by cyber-bullying has been going on for 10+ years. It's nothing new. There's a science behind everything as well. Until you learn that science, don't even bother commenting, because you're just to damn ignorant to know what you're talking about.
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And cutting doesn't lead to suicide. There's a science behind everything as well. Until you learn that science, don't even bother commenting, because you're just to damn ignorant to know what you're talking about.
well b4 u get all high and mighty let me educate you on something. like i said in earlier posts, i had friends who killed themselves. they were cutters at 1st, but it didnt help their situation. SO B4 YOU TELL OTHERS TO LEARN SOMETHING B4 THEY COMMENT, PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. THEY CUT AND CUT AND CUT AND THEN CUT TOO DEEP TO RECOVER IN TIME. LIKE I SAID B4, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE MY FRIENDS, THEY WERE WEAK MINDED COWARDS.
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I just can't believe this dude committed suicide over something so stupid!....There are kids in South Africa living through poverty & violence without attempting suicide!!...Where's the sympathy for them...This kid thought his life was rough?...Give me a break...
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Eh, just my personal interpretation of what a vampire was supposed to represent: a drug addict. Except it would have to be opium considering the first true (imho) vampire stories surfaced in the 1700s. Explaining it kinda ruines. Well, not getting it ruines it more I suppose.
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xwigglesx, funny you should say that about zombies because we were talking about vampires and zombies on another thread and I stated that I prefer zombies to vampires. I'm a big fan of zombies...yesterday I watched dawn of the dead and land of the dead and the week before I watched night of the living dead (the original one) plus I am reading a book about zombies called world war z
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haha when did the forum become a conversation about zombies and vampires? hellsing had the best vampire theory, if a vampire bites you but doesnt turn you, you become a mindless "ghoul". in other words, you become a zombie. SO ITS ALL GOOD. the original dawn of the dead sucks ass.
but sticking to the topic, i was at a low point in my life, i felt helpless and i attempted suicide. but i realised that i had too much decent sh** in my life to live for so i changed my look at life and now im doing really well. theres a lot of people you could blame for this kids suicide, the music he listened to, he sub-culture he "belonged" to, the a$$holes who had nothing better to do than bag him for being different. whoever you decide should take the blame, its not gonna bring the kid back, its not gonna stop other people from being a$$holes and giving sh** to other people because they dont like the same music they do or whatever trivial reason people give other people sh** for, and its certainly not going to get sites like bebo or myspace or facebook shut down.
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You can find me on Craig Owens's attempted suicide posts...lol Well, this was another article that grabbed my attention, and the responses post just as much rage in me as the ones on the mentioned Chiodos frontman did.
Diversity is what makes everything so very more rad. I know personally when I was 13, 4 years ago, things just kept getting worse and worse, because 13 pretty much ends your innocence, and you escape into real world territory in a lot of aspects [for me, at least] and it was hard.
Emo kids aren't fags, cigarettes are dears :]] And noone knows what "emo" music is, anymore. If you ban "emo" music, you're banning a whole lot because every single artist now-a-days, haters are calling "emo".
And what's wrong with it? Chris Carrabba makes decent music. Why does everything have to be death metal, and so hardcore? Sweet, sad, emotional acoustic ballads are just as good ♥
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Well said psythe, Life itself is a paradox. Just a twisted series of apparent contradictions. 70% of the people on this forum don't realize the things that we realize, and they just so happen to be the type of people that drove this 13 year old to commit suicide. Ignorance, arrogance, communistic tendancies that judge people just because they are different than themselves. Who are they? What makes them so goddam incredible that the world should follow their standard. Who am I to say that my way of life is better? Somebody help me out. There's no conclusion here. :)
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nah i think youll find that the original DotD sucked as a horror movie. its funnier than a lot of comedies made these days though (you dont mess with the zohan...wtf is that?!) drewbacca is absolutely right, there is no short term solution to teen, or ANY, suicide. nobody is ever going to understand the workings of every mind on the planet, be they a f***ed mind or completely not f***ed up mindup. its so easy to call the kid a p***y or an emo or whatever, because the ending of his life has no emotional effects on our lives, but until you know FOR SURE everything else that was happening in his life, you have no right to f***ing judge him. there probably could have been an easier way to combat his problems, unfortunately he obviously just didnt realise that there were different paths he could take. anyways, we could go on and on about this issue.
lets talk about something else...how about that local sports team eh?
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1. FocusShift writes:
What a lovely f***ed up world we live in.