Slipknot Declares Themselves "Heaviest Band"
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In an interview with mtv.com, Slipknot percussionist Shawn Crahan declares that Slipknot is the "hardest" and "heaviest" band.
"Listen, we are the hardest ever," he said. "We blow all bands away. I don't give a fuck who your band is. I've probably played with your band, and you don't show me shit. So, it's like, is this band heavy? Oh, yeah, we're the heaviest. We're heavy thinkers, heavy hitters, heavy writers and heavy people, but it's emotionally heavy. There's a lot of emotion on this record, and we're all on the same page with our own emotions, so you're finally seeing the kings of all the courts bringing their kingdom's jewels in for one gigantic war."
Besides discussing the upcoming LP, he also went on to say:
"No one has done what we have done, this is a war, man. The shit that we do, nine guys trying to fucking write together, and keep this insanity going? Does anybody take the time to realize that? For me, this is like going to Vietnam, serving your tour and then the government asking you to do another tour because you're a badass. We've got 10 purple hearts, and we're fucking killers. This isn't your rock and roll; this is our rock and roll."
Read the full article at mtv.com.
Source: MTV.com
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4. writes:
^ I actually had this thought myself. If you read the whole article he kind of just goes on and on about nothing. It's also pretty funny that immediately before saying they are the "hardest" band ever, he rambles for awhile about how the term "hard" doesn't mean anything and he doesn't want to hear about bands that think they are "hard".
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Y'know, this crap might've flown before Iowa came out, but since they've proved they're the opposite of what Clown-Ass claims they are, I don't see anyone being impressed by this other than 15 year olds. Hot topic crowds. Well, I guess that's always been Slipknot's targeted demographic. When I wanted to hear goofy music performed by morons in masks, I listened to GWAR instead.
This guy is so goddamned melodramatic. Always has been.
...and speaking of has-been. Slipknot!
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I will admit I listened to Slipknot, but after Iowa I started to notice that they started to get to popular and then start talk about how good they are, this is the second nu metal band in 2 weeks that threw something out there about being a good metal band(disturbed was the other one). And I am getting sick of that sh**, cause the reason I got into metal many years ago was not to be popular, i go in to metal cause it was the only thing that best fit my life style, and who i am. But bands like slipknot, and disturbed, korn and the list goes on has gone on far to long about how sweet they are. Someone needs to tell them "hey jack asses, we get the point now you made a lot of f***ing money off of bullsh** music from emo fans, stop talking now"
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I just wanted to say wtf slipknot, Iowa was o.k. But this album better b-l-o-w m-y f-u-c-k-i-n-g head off if they are going to try and pull this sh**.
also hot k, I dig all your choices for heavier bands \m/
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I thought he was too lol. kinda lost all purpose for listening to them now.
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Slipknot is only hard to suburban soccer moms and their idiot kids. I'll be going to that rockstar tour this summer, but only to see Machine Head, and give every one of those slipknot 'metal' wannabe punk-ass kids a taste of my fist. Slipknot is for kids, and saying that they are 'the hardest and heaviest' band just proves that. I love how every real metal fan here thinks this is a joke, and apparently slipknot has never heard of suffocation, septic flesh, vader, behemoth, nile, etc.
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canadian apostasy. yeah sure "I'll be going to that rockstar tour this summer, but only to see Machine Head, and give every one of those slipknot 'metal' wannabe punk-ass kids a taste of my fist" f***ing liar. im gonna pay a bunch of money to see one gay band and get my a$$ whooped
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To post 11 - Nevermore and Gojira...Gojira, especially , now that is some heavy, heavy sh**...another band that blows Slipknot away and is heavy as hell is Crowbar. Black Sabbath and Strapping Young Lad...need I go on. I don't think that Clown was joking, though. He is a Clown, just like his namesake.
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26. writes:
So yeah, I said I liked them still on another post, but this pretty much destroyed any hope. I mean I like emotion. Emotion should be apparent in all music. Slayer has emotion, anger. I don't want robotic chaos. But there's something to be said about moderation and control.
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34. writes:
WOW! I guess modesty isnt in his vocabulary. I dont really have a problem with this band aside from the fact that there is no need to have 9 damn people in one band, especially one guy (Shaun) who runs around with a baseball bat hitting a keg just like a drunken college student. I mean if every band who thought that they were the heaviest, or the fastest or the best said so, everyone and their brother would be making these stupid statements.
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I think its safe to say this is here because it's almost blasphemous, if Sodom or even Mayhem were to say this, we'd never hear about it...because they are heavy, they changed music in a MAJOR way, 9 virgins beating on garbage cans is not heavy, its not hard, or good, its lame, its repetitave and above all its immature...no one needs 3 drummers, a DJ and a 9th guy to play samples...
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Slayer, Meshuggah, Lamb of God, Machine Head, Sleep, Electric Wizard, Motha F ucking Pantera. I mean come on the list goes on and on. Slipknot is not even in the top 25 of the heaviest bands out there. I personally like them but that is a BOLD a ss statement. I've seen them live once and they sucked mad balls. 9 guys playing at once, how is that supposed to sound good?
53. writes:
So so very trendy these responses are. Everyone lining up to bash one of the few bands whose music is still played with and from the heart, not just a bunch of mindless metal bullsh**. It's so popular for metal elitists to hate Slipknot, and most of you probably haven't even really listened to it. Those of you that have probably haven't thought much on it. There self-titled album was one of the most inspirational pieces of music to me. Iowa was belligerent. Volume Three impressed me and as a musician myself was something I could identify with moreso than their previous two efforts. They did what they wanted to do and pushed themselves as musicians to create something different. I get sick of people bashing bands just because they wont write the same album over and over again. There's more to music then metal, and there's more to metal than what has been done so far. Open your minds. I have a lot of respect for artists and musicians that don't give two sh**s about what anyone else thinks about their music, because they're not afraid of any number of people such as yourselves berating them for not feeding them what they want. I'm anxious to hear their next album, and I hope it will be as eclectic as their last one.
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"still played with and from the heart, not just a bunch of mindless metal bullsh**." - I really hate when people come in here criticizing imaginary stereotypes - examples?
I listened to Slipknot when I was younger and first getting into metal, but only really "Left Behind" and "My Plague" which both had some nice melodic bits. Their lyrics are always good for a laugh though, swearing is so cool when you're 13.
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66. writes:
I can appreciate what John B is saying - whether he or anyone else loves Slipknot's music is entirely up to them. To each there own. Nobody else has any right to tell them they can't like a specific style of music. The issue here isn't whether Slipknot makes good music though, the issue is Shawn Crahan's comments which, frankly, were completely ridiculous and one can only hope were spawned from massive amounts of booze. As many others have already mentioned, just about any metal fan, whether elitist or not, can rattle off ten or twenty bands that are easily heavier than Slipknot without even thinking about it.
Some of Shawn's comments do call Slipknot's musical integrity into question, however. For example - "We blow all bands away. I don't give a f*** who your band is. I've probably played with your band, and you don't show me sh**."
Does he seriously believe this? He thinks no band can show them a thing or two about how to play music or expand their sound? He doesn't think that Opeth could show them something about being progressive, or Mesuggah about being technical and heavy, or Therion about adding symphonic beauty, or any of a slew of death metal bands about being brutal and cold? This rock star mentality he displays is a serious turn off, and makes me take them even less seriously than I had before.
I do think John B has myself, and most of the people who have posted disparaging remarks about Slipknot, pegged down when he says we haven't explored Slipknot to the same level we have explored our more underground metal. So on that note, I accept the challenge and will be picking up Slipknot's albums and taking a good day or two to delve into their music and make a more informed decision as to whether they are as terrible as I think they are.
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This is the guy that hits 4 big drums and kegs, right? I don't know why people have to say sh** like this when they know they're going to be ridiculed for it. You should know by now that you're not the "heaviest band." And most certainly not even the most talented band, though they do have some strengths. Just because they're one of the only successful bands with a large amount of members does not mean that they're the best, at all. And no one can deny that they're successful. Look at their past record and they're headlining a touring festival.
I'll admit I like their first album and Iowa is pretty good but they're trying to over extend what they are. Because of how Corey's voice sounds on Stone Sour I don't think that his scream will be anywhere near par when it comes to the new Slipknot album. His scream is pretty much dissolved into nothing. I guess we'll have to see about that when the new music is debuted though. I am looking forward to what the new music sounds like and if they can keep their word with the hype their trying to build. To be honest, I think it will be a let down just because of how much they're personally trying to push this with their comments.
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John B: I have listened to Slipknot, including MFKR and Crowz and the only time they ever released anything remotely interesting is on MFKR. At least then they were attempting to break new ground, but then Clown joined and turned them from a promising band into a corporate whore. They are simply a gimmick now. And I don't see how fans can still defend this band when they insulted everyone of their fans when they announced their break-up. Also, to say bands aren't trying new things in metal is sheer ignorance, there's the entire genre of avant-garde metal which is about trying things that have never been done before, I also can't think of any genres that sound like funeral doom or drone, which happen to include the true heaviest bands ever with the likes of Catacombs and Wormphlegm. You may be able to come in here and accuse everyone of being ignorant of Slipknot, but it doesn't really help your case when you make false accusations of your own.
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76. writes:
I am one of the biggest slipknot fans you will ever me meat but even i dont think they are the heaviest band ever. I do think they are an amazing and very heavy band but the heaviest... no. I don't think that there is one heaviest band but slipknot isn't one of them.
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79. writes:
Wow, you idiots can't recognize SARCASM when you see it, can you? Of f***ing COURSE GWAR came first. I hate pretty much everything about slipknot. always have.
Re-read my comment please. "even though Slipknot was the first band to wear masks and all other bands, even those who came BEFORE slipknot, imitate them."
more emphasis on "even those who came before slipknot, imitate them" (bad grammar aside)
Also other than the sarcastic post I have not put another reply here. Whoever put the one about mushroomhead in was correct, but not me...
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LOL. Ok, I think alot of people agree that Slipknot is NOT the heaviest band. I think it's just one of those deals like when Muhammad Ali ran around saying "I'm the Greatest!" or when some rapper says "I'm the King of New York!" I think Slipknot has some talent, but I also think they have a tendancy to "overkill" a few tracks/songs. Too much going on at one time. Just my opinion though. I'm more of a standard 2 Guitars, a Bass Player, and a 1 Drummer kind of guy. Meat and Potatoes. LOL. But I realize that they are trying to be different also. Nothing wrong with that. Still, it's a pretty bold statement and I've always believed that if you make statements like that, you better be able to back them up. (Of course it could all just be for fun) But I personally don't think Slipknot is the heaviest. I think EVERYONE thinks that their favorite band is the heaviest or one of the heaviest. I don't believe there is such a thing as "worlds heaviest band" LOL. Sounds good, alot of bands would probably like to have that title, but I don't think it's really necessary. There are so many really heavy bands out there and alot of new bands are really growing on me. But if I (me personally) had to vote for "heaviest band", I'd say Black Sabbath. I know Slipknot can play faster and is alot more aggresive, but Sabbath was heavy. Just mean, low, and heavy. And even though I like alot of the new bands and grew up with Megadeth, Slayer, and Metallica, Sabbath was just always deep and heavy to me. They had soul. A feel. A vibe. I felt it in almost every song. I don't feel that with Slipknot. I hear Slipknot and feel "Listien to me! pay attention! I'm angry! ARGHHH!" But thats just me. I'm sure alot of people will disagree. Slipknot isn't a horrible band, just misunderstood maybe. LOL. And like I said, who knows, they are probably just "talkin' smack". Alot of people do it these days. Plus I think everyone has their "own" deffinition of the word HEAVY and what it means to them.
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The Somberlain: You can't say that Slipknot insulted their fans by taking a break. Just because they have fans doesn't mean they have to stay together because of them. They have their own lives and wanted to do different things. Your showing complete ignorance if you truly believe your statement.
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Hmm, I've always wondered why you need 9 guys in a band. Whenever you see a live performance of Slipknot, there's always like, 3 guys just walking around onstage just looking stupid. If you need 9 people to help make music, then you're pretty retarded and have no talent.
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It's a record made by a bunch of f---ing adults, and that's why it's different. Every record should be different," Crahan said. "Our self-titled came out in '98, and the second record, people were thinking maybe we'd give 'em more commerciality, and give in like everybody else does. But instead, we go completely against that, and we made the anti-sophomore record, and we get all the respect for that.
"The third record, we start moving in directions we always wanted to. Basically, on the second record, it was like, 'We're the drug penetrating the vein, and we're on our way to your brain and your heart,' " he continued. "The third record was, 'Now, I'm in your brain. Check out this other sh--. No other band can handle this. No one can fathom what we do. This fourth record was done by a bunch of crazy guys in their 30s. That doesn't mean we're slowing down or not as intense — our brains are different, so we're bringing different emotions, different feelings and different anxieties to the table now. This record is another diagnosis of our insanity.
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92. writes:
Damn that was quite an arrogant statement. I like slipknot and respect their work but f uck me that was a stupid thing to say. And the worst thing is the new album probably won't live up to the hype. if it does i will be very happy but im not very hopeful. I think that the haters are quite justified t take the piss out of this.
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Never been a big fan of Slipknot. I do like some of their songs and I cannot say that I'd buy an album of theirs just because I like 2-3 songs per album max. It's an arrogant statement and probably wrong but in the end he's in a band he can't exactly go we're sh** and the music we write is sh** I'd not hype it up like that personally but then again you guys are talking about it and I bet that a few of your sh** talkers are gonna listen to the new album just to see if he's right in what he's saying just so you guys can talk more sh**. In the end more people will hear about it because of what you say.
As for people who keep on mentioning bands like Slayer and the like...great band but have they really done anything that's worthwhile since Reign in Blood? Also it's a different decade, different tastes.
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97. writes:
I'm not saying Lamb of God is the heaviest band ever but Slipknot has played with them, along with Slayer, Shadows Fall, and God Forbid, plus you can count any band who played Ozzfest with them, and Download, and I have to say that in itself makes a very long list of bands who are considerably heavier.
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euro metal will always be better then the garbage us americans make, honestly. There's so many bands that are absolutely bad, its like a big wide sea of sh**. I can honestly say i only appreciate a handful of american metal bands, the rest i am unimpressed with or bored with.
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lol imagine that c***y clown peice of sh** reading this and going......"oh.....oh man...i guess i should of just shutup instead of trying to get ppl to think of buying the new album............IM SO WEIRD AND MISUNDERSTOOD!"
f*** em, hate em....bullsh** nu metal
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CrawfordTexasJingoJango writes:
When I wanted to hear goofy music performed by morons in masks, I listened to GWAR instead.
i just saw Gwar saturday night and they put on a better show than sh1tknot could ever dream of. not saying you (ctjj) prefer slipknot over gwar, just saying gwar is better in concert than spitsnot
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117. writes:
Great statement post 66. This jacka$$ from Iowa is telling everyone that Slipknot is a better band than say - Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Boston, Cream, or Led Zeppelin...Clown Crahan is a fukkin' moron! I think he was serious, and therefore needs his head examined..
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To post 75 - We are criticizing Clown - he is a jacka$$ and clown for making that ridiculous claim....not necessarily the band Slipknot. He is making an assclown of himself to even think that his band surpasses the bands I listed above....or any band in the metal or rock genre with any semblance of talent... Ok - they are better than Papa Roach, Job for a Cowboy, and LInkin Park..but that ain't really saying much!
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"Heaviest band ever" "your band doesn't show me sh**" YOU HAVE 10 GUYS up there makin noise, of course your going to sound loud. there's 3 f#ckin drummers! i'm not a slipknot hater, but these are ballsy statements when there are many other more talented and just as heavy if not heavier player with 4 or 5 guys.
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I'll list them: Nickelback, Hinder, Papa Roach, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Hannah Montana, Jonas Brothers, High School Musical, Soulja Boy, Lil Wayne, 50 Cent, Akon, T-Pain, Michael Jackson, George Michael, Nsync, Backstreet Boys, Ricky Martin, Simple Plan, Good Charlotte, Kid Rock, Kidz Bop, D4L, Dem Franchize Boyz, System Of A Down, Korn, St. Anger Metallica, Hell Yeah, Mudvayne, Stone Sour (lol Corey's own side project), Prince, Chuck Berry, Buckcherry, Aerosmith in that "I Don't Want to Close my Eyes" song, The Game, Alicia Keys, Fall Out Boy, Panic! At The Disco, My Chemical Romance, Marilyn Manson, The New Radicals, Elvis, the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Celine Dion, Matchbox 20, Three Days Grace, 3 Doors Down, Enrique Iglesias, Menudo, Sublime, Nirvana, Smash Mouth, Seether, Foo Fighters, Green Day, The Offspring, Clay Aiken, Chris Brown, Down AKA Kilo, Lil Jon,... oh wait. that's about everybody heavier than Slipknot
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alright this is the 2nd time i read this one - slipknot are nothing close to "heavy hitter's" the clown guy might b a heavy person but in no way is a heavy muscian........so here is a listen in death metal for you gr 8 fags - these are true heavy hitter's ORIGIN, SKINLESS, SUFFOCATION, EMETH, BEHEMOTH, CANNABL CORPSE, DISPISED ICON, ION DISSONANCE, BENEATH THE MASSACRE, NEURAXIS, AUGURY, OPETH, ALL SHALL PERISH, KATAKLYSM, QUO VADIS...and the list goes on....so for people who listen 2 to real metal and actually live the scene in their home town rock the f*** on and stay true unlike these lamoid f***s in halloween masks.....SLIPKNOT KNOWS NOTHNG ABOUT PAIN..........f*** they have like 3 guys too many in their band anyways............... and what about Black metal? way heavier so f*** slipknot.
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I agree the slipknot is not the heaviest band. but then again, none of any of the band listed are either. none of the bands listed are even original. everything the bands listed here has all ready been done by someone else. their all pretty much copying the other. i don't think any band from this generation has the right to call themselves "heaviest band".
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BIGSTICK 13: To say that you must be completely ignorant of the current metal scene to make a claim like that. In terms of heaviness there have been few to no bands before the modern scene that sounded anything like drone or funeral doom. Those are two modern genres that bring something new to the table. And just in the creative department there have never been any bands that sound like uneXpect, Sigh, Pin-Up Went Down, Carnival in Coal, and the list goes on.
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when I was little, just getting into metal, I thought they were awesome. After I heard actual music Slipknot seemed like candy-ass sh**. I don't know where he got the idea that his band is better/harder than others. I just wasted my time reading this article. Slipknot is bogus!
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I like a couple individual songs by slipknot, but i never said the band was made of good people.. I'm not so sure SunnO)) counts, they're just loud... not necessarily heavy. Heavy is really relative so for me its difficult to think about.. but i like Khanate, and i think they're really heavy, that portal band... was heavy as f***, but im not so sure the heaviest. I'd have to think on it.
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hahahahahaha.......clown a$$ knows nothing.......all he does is beat on a beer keg......does that even count as writing???? my band could kick the hell out of slipknot.........you guys should add us if ur on myspace.........my nazi neighbor is our name.......no music set up yet though
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^BENEATH THE SKY IS BETTER THAN SLAYERS GAY MUSIC
Wow, slow down there. bash Slayer, fine I Don't care, I only like a few songs by them anyway. But saying Beneath The Sky is their superiors? hardly. I listen to BtS as well, and I can honestly say that they are sh** compared to any of the quality works that Slayer has made. Even in terms of musical quality and personal tastes, few people care, or are influenced by BtS, while slayer is constantly quoted as part of the "Big Four of Thrash Metal" along with Antrax, Metallica, and Megadeth, having helped to influnce entire genres of upcoming Metal. Slayer has a definitive style and sound that gets ripped off constantly by bands like Evile and Warbringer, while Beneath the Sky is...good, but they hardly, if at all, break the mold. and i would hardly call Slayer's music "Gay" persay, wrong choice of adjectives if you're going to hate on them imo
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Best money i ever spent. hands down. nobody gives you more in every way than 9 p***ed off average guys. U like constant thrashing with no breaks, no emotion? U like cliche pre-determined choruses? Its not here man. this is real and this is textbook personal damage for the world to see.
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wow... what kind of world is Slipknot at? Look at the article for God sakes... MTV! The channel that plays nothing but that myspace whore queen and stupid rappers. the only metal they play is mainstream metal like slipknot, lamb of god, as i lay dying and killswitch engage which all suck.
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lol wow happy to see the hatret for this sh**ty band
and i've been reading some posts and noticed cynic mentioned Portal....i thought i was the only one who've even herd of them lol
they're heavy (portal not slipknot) but they have bad production and are a little boring in my view, not that great in creativity either.
lmao post 132 is great
slayer is good, but their new stuff like christ illusion was really not good at all, the hole cd was based around them being "satansit" and saying "f*** you" to christains (which is ok i guess) the only songs that were intertaining were Flesh Storm and Eyes of the Insane. long live Reign in Blood and South of Heaven btw
and i agree with post 157, but i actually like Lamb of God, but i have a will forever have a long hatret against slipknot
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Can't say I've ever heard a Saxon track, will have to try them out. NWOBHM?
Lol Mr. Pot - yeah bad production is an understatement, they're one of those "avant-garde" BM/DM bands - I haven't got a hold of an LP of theirs, just been listening on myspace. Put me off at first but I'm giving them a second go.
"the only songs that were intertaining were Flesh Storm and Eyes of the Insane" - WHAAA?????? Eyes of the Insane is easily one of Slayers worst tracks imho - hell even Kerry King thought it was average. "Cult", "Jihad" and "Confearacy" were the only listenable tracks to me, but luckily they were damn listenable which made the whole thing even out.
cruor - agreed as usual.
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The Diddy stick with Cascada dawg. I mean c'mon, so ya'll seem to like this here "killer" band or "deather" (slayer?) whatev. And er'y'body in the club be hatin on this clown homie. But really, can't we all just get along? And listen to real blood curdling, thrashing, satanic/hippie/wannabe gangster trash? That's right. Cascada, cuz every time we touch, i get that f***ing feeling.
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HMMMMMMMMM.....let me think a second......Heavier than SlipFags......let me just name 3...
1. The Red Chord
2. Pig Destroyer
3.Prince
Get off your high horse idiot, whatever fanbase you once had, is about 1/2 now due to you ginormous ego....Hannah Montana is heavier than you fags.....gay.....tour bus flip
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lol I apologize ZT if it sounded like I was angry at those two bands, I'm not, just pointing out that Slayer is good enough to have imitaters, that by themselves are good, while the other mentioned band doesn't. Thrasher by evile is actually one of my favorite songs ever.
And if anyone actually knows, how the f*** did grindcore come into existence? I mean, I understand Metalcore, I even get where Nu-Metal came from, but wtf IS grindcore anyway? I hear it basically started with Napalm death, but that hardly tells me anything.
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Jihad was pretty good, just the cd itself was boring. solo's are crazy as usuall though
and everybody here just cant admit that Fall out Boy kicks any metal bands ass, i mean damn their music takes talent, slipknot is pretty badass too.
and cynic, i'll give any band a second chance, hell i'm even giving metallica a second chance with their new cd thats comming out in the fall, just if production was good, they might be a good band (portal that is)
but i cant find their LP anywhere.....
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"And if anyone actually knows, how the f*** did grindcore come into existence? I mean, I understand Metalcore, I even get where Nu-Metal came from, but wtf IS grindcore anyway? I hear it basically started with Napalm death, but that hardly tells me anything."
Now I'm not a biography on the history of grindcore or hardcore (nor do I own one) but I belive it to be an evolution to crust punk (which is an evolution to hardcore punk). It did start with Napalm Death and I believe the very first grindcore album was Scum in 1987 which would mean it is just as old as Death Metal (Death's Scream Bloody Gore came out that same year) and as the two genres evolved they both took additional influences from each other. I hope that helps F.A.N.
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ok what i have read throughout every single post is that slipknot is not the heaviest band and that 3 of their band members are really useless also i am not really a fan of them i think they are so - so. Agreed.
People can't say something isn't metal because there is main different types of metal: Heavy metal, death metal, black metal, metalcore, thrash metal, nu metal, just plain metal and so on and so on so you can't say that Slayer is metal and Slipknot isn'tor whatever because they both are metal just different types of metal. Metal isn't one set of rules that is said that metal Must sound like this. i mean come on look at black sabbath they do not sound like slayer or Divine heresy or metallica yet it is classified as metal so you could say that all the bands today aren't metal because they sound nothing like Black Sabbath or Led Zepplin who where close to one of the first metal bands. I am guessing that i am younger then quite a few of you and that i haven't seen as much of the metal seen as most of you guys but i do have my own view on terms of "heaviness" i think that everyone has either own opinion on it but what i see as heavy isn't always as being who can play the fastest or scream the loudest, or who has the angiest sound it all comes down to the lyrics and how much it influences their listener weither it be emo, goth or full blown metaler or a mix of it all (doesn't matter how it influences through pain, anger, sadness or whatever). what is heavy to you isn't heavy to me or others what ever you want to think it won't bother me.
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napalm death were pretty much a crust punk band until they recruited the drummer mick harris, who brought in a metal influence
the guitarist and bassist both left after making the first side of Scum (tracks 1-12), which is mostly crust punk with metal influences
side 2 (13-28), because harris was the songwriter, was much more metal with punk influences
side one was recorded and released as a demo in 1986, side one was added to side 2 after it was recorded, so grindcore started in 1986
186. writes:
I still dig some of Slipknot's tunes but all I have to say to the "Listen, we are the hardest ever," he said. "We blow all bands away" is HAHAHAHAHAHA The direction they are going ever since he started up Stone Sour, Something Corporate is gonna be heavier. They need to make it out to a real metal show, seriously.
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thx to all who tried answering my question, I had actually never heard the term "crust punk" before, but then again i just found out Hatebreed is classified as "sludgecore" so what the f*** lol. It's actually intersting to know that Death and grind started together. I basically knew all the stuff about Napalm, but I guess i just needed a differnt viewpoint to see how it came together the way it did, Thanks lots.
Oh, and Slipknot can suck my d***. nine times.
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what the hell is with the that crap in my screen name? anyways, yeah Nickelback is real metal guys. Chad Kroeger screams his head off if that song "Photograph". In fact, it goes "LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH, EVERYTIME IT MAKES ME LAUGH" (laughs with an evil smile). see, brutal metal music while Slipknot use their poppy music in "Duality".. "i push my fingers in my eyes" lmao. these guys can't write good lyrics at all
198. writes:
Are all you people f***in stupid or something! Slipknot is one of the greatest bands i've ever listened to! James and Mick are kickass guitarist and Joey is one of the fastest drummers i've seen. Plus Corey has a kickass powerful voice. How could a true metalhead not like Slipknot?
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To Adrian, I was joking around. I just happen to believe that Nickelback is better than Slipknot. In fact, almost every band out there is better than them. Let's take a back from their first album. The Self-Titled Album. It was pure nu-metal and they even tried to rap in that album in a couple of songs (with the combination of screaming and emo-like lyrics, it sucked). it was like Fred Durst trying to rap with growling. Then came Iowa with them trying to be Satanic with the Black Goat and tried to sound like black metal. of course, it sucked hard. Then came their attempt of being mainstream with The Subliminal Verses. It sounded like Stone Sour and less metal. plus they added "guitar solos" because they wanted to fit in and say "hey critics, we're cool now because we got solos now". god, i hate when bands actually listen to the critics. true metal don't listen to critics. if they like certain metal bands, fine. but underground metal don't get appreciated as much as mainstream metal (talking about 80s like Maiden, Priest, Metallica, Slayer, etc). and the no swearing thing just to make kids listen to it was a disgrace. The lyrics are horrible as well in all of their albums. like i said "I push my fingers into my eyes" was horrible enough. so in conclusion, Slipknot sucks and only appeal to Hot Topic Mall Goths just like Dragonforce but that's a different story with people only liking them for being the hardest song on Guitar Hero. i only mention Nickelback because they happen to be about every rock band these days in disguise.
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"underground metal don't get appreciated as much as mainstream metal"
Hence the name. Thanks for that. Tune in next week for our inside story "Metal music uses distortion"
Don't criticize Slipknot or Dragonforce if you are going to compare them to those half a$$ excuses of musicians Nickelback.
Both Dragonforce and Slipknot have amazing musicians (more notably Dragonforce, however Joey Jordison is great). There isn't a member in Nickelback that couldn't be replaced by a grade 7 band student.
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Once again, i didn't say I liked Nickelback. I could say Pantera or Iron Maiden is better but almost everyone here would agree so i had to bring up Nickelback who suck but at least are better than Slipknot (in my opinion). seriously, Dragonforce sucks live and people only like them mainly because of that song on Guitar Hero. As for Slipknot, nuff said. look at them live. you have two percussionist that are hitting trash cans. sounds like what Lars did during the St. Anger album. and they also have a DJ who almost does nothing but a few scratches for some songs and the sampler guy is pretty much the same story. So in the end, it's just 5 guys doing the work. what's the point of the other 4 guys. Nickelback sucks but at least they didn't disgrace metal. Slipknot and Dragonforce are both the worst bands. Don't include the Jonas Brothers or any of that kiddie crap either since that is not even rock.
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^ what the f***! jonas brothers kick a$$ man, learn your music.
pfffffff dimebag never even made a single good riff in any song....EVER!
dragonforce and slipknot are by far the best metal bands ever.
iron maiden sucks ball, damn their singer needs to take vocol lessons....i could whipe my a$$ and it would be better than their sh** of music
and hannah montana is better than any band that was ever was mentioned here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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211. writes:
Nothing is heavier then 5 dudes beating on a bunch of coffee cans, kinda like "stomp" the musical. Congrats Slipknot!
Maybe when clown is done hitting those coffee cans, He can get himself a copy of Vital Remains, or Vehemence, maybe some Brain Drill ;)
and the next fool who tries to say the Slipknot drummer is fast, needs to go to youtube and take a look at Lord Marco
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I'll name some people harder than Slipknot... Just to add to the list.
Hillary Duff, Ashley Simpson, Elton John, The National Anthem, Hooked on Phonics, Drive Thru Rap at Taco Bell, Me in the shower, Hellen Keller, Rhianna, Lil Wayne, The Boston Pops, Marvin Gaye, Corey Taylor's mother, my mother, your mother, Cher, Yoko Ono, Charlie The Unicorn, etc.
The list goes on and on and on...
I myself can stand some of Slipknot's music... But, I was laughing through the entire article. They are by no f***ing means the heaviest band. Not the loudest, heaviest and even though they didn't claim it, they're not the most instrumental. Opeth could teach them a lesson or two about melody.
I've thought about it... There are BETTER actual Metal bands that don't make half of the money that Slipknot makes, and they could teach them lessons on how to play the guitar, bass, sing, drums, etc. There are only 2 people I can stand from Slipknot, Corey Taylor when he doesn't try to scream. His clean vocals are nice in Stone Sour. And their drummer who is half way decent is the only true musician with any amount of musical skill within the entire group.
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lol damn, it was sarcasm people. read my other post. whether your a slipknot fan dissing me, or a regualr, you guys are actually really dumb.
for one if your a slipknot fan, your just f***ing dumb, sorry.
and if you hate this band, dissed me, and thought i was serious, your just plain f***ing stupid.
i'm going to Youtube to diss this band, smarter people their anyways...funnier people with better comebacks too.
like "Mr. Pot still lives with his parents" ya i do...i'm 18, nothng big to it.
i dont like GH, its sh**. they dont put any black or death metal on their....what a b****!
and yo cruor you graduated 2 weeks ago? i graduated this year too.
no i'm not 40, not even close.
ya and so you guys can "diss" my sarcastic cynical way, that i really thought you guys would catch on too....well....SLIPKNOT RULES!!!!!!!!! HEAVIEST BAND ALIVE MOTHA f***A!
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Oh boy. I just love watching all of you hating on a actually GOOD band. You can't even call these 'Norwegian Black Metal' and 'Death Metal' bands any good. They aren't good. How is music where you have a vocalist grunting to the point where you can barely hear a word they're saying good? The only good Death Metal band I can think of is Opeth, who are actually progressive and Mikael Akerfeldt actually does clean vocals as well. Slipknot is a band composed of NINE members, something you don't see every single day. They're vocalist is probably the best vocalist in Metal today, because he can do everything with his voice. They have probably the best drummer in Metal today. They've overcome all of the adversity of being a nine-piece band from Iowa of all states, playing some of the most brutal metal heard ever, and they sell millions. They give children hope, and a place to be. They did that for me as well. Slipknot is naturally a good metal band, and with what Crahan said, they are the heaviest band in their genre, which is NOT f***ing Nu-Metal. That genre died when Linkin Park sold out. Slipknot is Alternative Metal, or just Heavy Metal, I mean sh**, they're even adding in Thrash Metal to their sound. So f***ing quit bashing them; because you're just bashing of the best metal bands out right now.
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"Slipknot is a band composed of NINE members, something you don't see every single day."
You don't see it every day because not everyone will like the good ideas, and all the ideas you are left with are ideas that aren't new or interesting.
"They're vocalist is probably the best vocalist in Metal today"
I can think of 5 vocalists right away who are better, including the before mentioned Mikael Akerfeldt
"You can't even call these 'Norwegian Black Metal' and 'Death Metal' bands any good. They aren't good. How is music where you have a vocalist grunting to the point where you can barely hear a word they're saying good?"
That is utter bullsh**. First off, black metal vocalists don't growl the same way as death metal vocalists do, and either way the vocal style fits the music well. The music itself is usually very difficult to play, much more difficult than the kind of music Slipknot usually plays.
I will agree that Slipknot is alternative metal, yet they still aren't the heaviest in that genre. I would call Ted Maul alternative metal as well, and they are certainly much heavier than Slipknot.
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my analysis of Elements; words:
Oh boy. I just love watching all of you hating on a actually GOOD band.
-horrible untalanted band actually.
You can't even call these 'Norwegian Black Metal' and 'Death Metal' bands any good. They aren't good. How is music where you have a vocalist grunting to the point where you can barely hear a word they're saying good?
-my thoughts on this are the same as deth monkee's. read his post.
The only good Death Metal band I can think of is Opeth, who are actually progressive and Mikael Akerfeldt actually does clean vocals as well.
-Opeth is melodic death metal. Obviously you're too ignorant to understand the genre and many sub genres of metal you hot topic mallcore kid.
Slipknot is a band composed of NINE members, something you don't see every single day.
-We dont see it everyday because its f***ing retarded. sh**snot is a bunch of stupid rejects in halloween masks crying about how misunderstood they are by society. You don't need 9 members in a band.
They're vocalist is probably the best vocalist in Metal today, because he can do everything with his voice.
-HAHA. How much metal do you actually listen to lol
They have probably the best drummer in Metal today.
-once again, haha.
They've overcome all of the adversity of being a nine-piece band from Iowa of all states, playing some of the most brutal metal heard ever, and they sell millions.
-lmfao. brutal. brutal in the aspect that my ears bleed when i hear them. they sell millions because they cater to the greatest denominator of "metalheads" from hottopic who will take anything the store shoves down their throat.
They give children hope, and a place to be. They did that for me as well.
-so you were a reject of society as well? its all making sense now!
Slipknot is naturally a good metal band, and with what Crahan said, they are the heaviest band in their genre, which is NOT f***ing Nu-Metal.
-they're not heavy. get over yourself. and yes it is nu metal. because they rap. don't tell me you're only a fan of this band cuz you own their most recent cd and know nothing else about them? ahaha
That genre died when Linkin Park sold out.
-and you were probably upset about that. But how can you say LP sold out when slipknot has "slipknot brand" shoes, socks, and skateboards. really.
Slipknot is Alternative Metal, or just Heavy Metal, I mean sh**, they're even adding in Thrash Metal to their sound.
-but you just said that they're the heaviest band in metal, so obviously you dont know what thrash is. You probably are hoping that they'll sound more like trivium. you're so gay lol
So f***ing quit bashing them; because you're just bashing of the best metal bands out right now.
-they're not good. their live cd 9.0 was awful. i've never heard a guitar solo with so many random notes. they're sh**. get over it.
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and i just realized that that idiot clown said this:We've got 10 purple hearts, and we're f***ing killers. This isn't your rock and roll; this is our rock and roll."
-10? there's 10 members in slipknot now?
Not only does this retard not know anything about metal, but he doesnt even know how many people are in his band.(thats how you know there are too many people in your band)
237. writes:
To post 224 - you say you like Corey Taylor because he sings well in Stone Sour...and then you bash all the members of Slipknot except Taylor and Jordison. Ummm, maybe you didn't realize this, but fukkin' James Root is the guitarist for Stone Sour. He is very fukkin' talented...what a lame thing to say. Go listen to the Stone Sour s/t - and you might change your statement about J.R. He is 100 times better than Mick Thompson.
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^best vocalist in Metal?!?!?! Have you even heard this f***er live? He's horrible. On their records, they edit it to the point that it sounds f***in decent, but still not the best by far. I would have to say, that by the standard of "he can do anything", The singer from Into Eternity wins. He goes from Death Meatl growl, to Metalcore scream, to hair Metal shriek, to clean vocals and back through the entire vocal pantheon again easy as pie.
I would say the only "musician" in this band would be Joey. He's pretty good on drums(top 200) in my book, and he can also play some pretty good guitar in Murderdolls, so the man is actually TRYING to be good at what he does, instead of just a money-grubbing whore like the other 30 f***in members of this band.
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okay.... i listen to a little bit of slipknot.... but i know as a 15 year old girl that they are NOT the heaviest metal band out there.... suffocation, septic flesh, vader, behemoth, nile, machine head, slayer, and old metallica are some of the heaviest bands out there!!!
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253. writes:
Bands that I believe are heavier than Slipknot - Entombed, Gojira, Machine Head, Skin Lab, Scar Symmetry, Down, Crowbar, Electric Wizard, Weedeater.lol, Boris, the Melvins, Mastodon, Nevermore, old Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, As I Lay Dying, Diecast, Sevendust, Dry Kill Logic, Staind and this list can go on for eternity...."Clown" Crahan was obviously delusional, and just trying to get press for Slipknot's new album....what a fukkin moron.
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Presenting...
MORE BANDS HEAVIER THAN SLIPKNOT!!!
Dimmu Borgir, Khanate, Ted Maul, Shakira, 50 cent, Eminem, Monty Python, Michael Jackson, Devildriver, Napalm Death, My mother on the acoustic guitar, Dethklok, Pig Destroyer, Maroon 5, Fallout boy, Dragonforce, Hatebreed, At the Gates, Judas Priest, Vader, Tenacious D, No sound at all..., Kevin Federline, Slayer, Linkin Park(yes, including their new album..), The Titanic soundtrack, Weeman yelling at the top of his lungs, Vital Remains, Psycroptic, Despised Icon, That sh** I just took an hour ago, An infant asian's left testicle, Lamb of God, Hannah Montana(needless to say, that b**** can Death Metal growl like a beast!), Born of Osirus, Otep, Opeth, Perfect Dehumanization(I don't even know what "Perfect Dehumanization" sound like yet, but I'm a gambling man), Clown all by himself(physically, not musically mind you...), Stone Sour hehe, Vile, Nile, Behemoth, The weight of this virtual comment post..., Mozart (seriously)
Now Playing: Slipknot- "Vermillion" (damn! this song is heavy as sh**! I guess Clown proved ME wrong after all..)
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^Well, Earth Wind and Fire can sometimes have like 15 some odd members on stage, what with all the trumpets and sh**. But as far as Metal goes, Slipknot takes the cake(and they should, that way they could beat Earth Wind and Fire too!)
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1. ElHefe writes:
Bahahahahahahaha. Crappy band. Take your "Heavy-Emo" back to Hot Topic.