Lars Ulrich On Expectations to Save Metal, Define A Genre
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From Blabbermouth:
Stevie Chick of The Guardian conducted an interview with METALLICA at the end of August when the band was in the UK to play the Reading festival. A couple of excerpts from the chat follow below.
On how long they will be able to continue as METALLICA:
Lars Ulrich (drums): "In the immortal words of Noel Gallagher, I'm gonna live forever. [That's] the $64,000 question. THE ROLLING STONES are setting a great precedent, but Charlie Watts doesn't play drums on songs like 'Fight Fire With Fire' every night, no disrespect. Will we be able to play the shit we do when we're 65? I don't know. When it becomes a joke, we'll stop."
On the widely panned 2003 album "St. Anger":
James Hetfield: "'St Anger' happened because it had to happen. It sounds very disjointed to me when I listen to it now. One-dimensional. Relentless. And that's exactly how we felt at the time: we were disjointed, and I think the resentment we felt towards each other was relentless."
On politics:
James Hetfield: "METALLICA has really tried to be non-political, as much as possible. I write about the human side of it all. I really dislike it when celebrities get up on a soapbox and start giving their opinion. It shouldn't be more valid, because you're popular. It gets in the way of the music. I like to just live, and think, and feel. Politics bore me. Politics separate people, especially where we're from. Politics rarely bring people together."
On not being the same people as they were when they recorded "Master of Puppets":
Lars Ulrich: "I'm 44 years old, I've got three kids, I flew in a helicopter on Friday. It's a little difficult to revisit the vibe of 20 years ago when you're living in a two-bedroom suite at Claridge's. I live a very different life to how I lived then."
On the level of expectation METALLICA still command:
Lars Ulrich: "I was thinking the other day about how everyone expects us to continue to release albums that define the genre, to 'save' metal. And that's a lot of fucking pressure, really. Why hasn't anyone dethroned us yet? We support all the great new metal bands, take them under our wing, but people still want us to carry the whole genre on our backs."
Read the full article at The Guardian.
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Lars Ulrich: "I'm 44 years old, I've got three kids, I flew in a helicopter on Friday. It's a little difficult to revisit the vibe of 20 years ago when you're living in a two-bedroom suite at Claridge's. I live a very different life to how I lived then."
who fuking cares if you flew in a fukin chopper the other day. you have flown in planes all over the freakin world. you say its diff to to revisit a vibe from 20 yrs ago due to living in a 2 room suite at some place. MAYBE YOU JUST GAVE UP ON THAT VIBE WHEN YOU SUED EVERYBODY OVER EVERYTHING YOU COULD THINK OF. MAYBE YOU GAVE UP ON THAT VIBE WHEN YOU BECAME THE FACIST TURD YOU ARE NOW. yes you do live a different life now from then, we are all in agreement on this, but you are not gods gift to metal!! and i truly do not see metallica saving metal at all!!!
Lars Ulrich: "I was thinking the other day about how everyone expects us to continue to release albums that define the genre, to 'save' metal. And that's a lot of f***ing pressure, really. Why hasn't anyone dethroned us yet? We support all the great new metal bands, take them under our wing, but people still want us to carry the whole genre on our backs."
THAT IS SO NOT TRUE!! I DO NOT WANT YOU TO CARRY ANYTHING RELATED TO METAL ON YOUR BACK. PLEASE JUST GO AWAY AND NEVER RETURN FROM EXILE LARS!! PLEASE DO THE REST OF US A FAVOR AND JUST RETIRE FROM MUSIC. you ask why hasnt any1 dethroned you?! well, sorry but you were dethroned years ago. TAKE YOUR MEDS FOR YOUR DELUSIONAL MIND-SET!!! you still have the "im the drummer of metallica and we rule the world cause we r metallica" syndrome!! FAR FROM IT!!! i saw your broadcast from bonarroo and you guys did ok but didnt do anything to make me think you have returned to the suppossed king status that your brain-dead metallisheep hold you on!! you are just the next rolling stones. i mean a band that doesnt know when to quit. JAMES IS LOSING HIS VOICE, YOUR DRUMMING IS BECOMING SUBPAR, KIRK CAN STILL WHIP OUT THE SOLOS, AND ROB NEEDS TO FIND A REAL BAND TO HONE HIS SKILLS WITH.
R.I.P. Metallica
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HAHAHAHAHAHA oh wow, well i gues we all have found the exact definition of self-centered, egomaniac, and dilusion: Lars Ulrich LOL.
Support the weight of metal on their back .... hilarious!!! uh.. Lars!! you buddy!! rememeber a band called... you prolly know them... uh.. TESTAMENT????? or... Anthrax??? or man.. you guys know i can go on and on for days right?? Im going to open a group on facebook: Kick Lars in the nuts for being soooo Fu&%&ing stupid. Who's with me?
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branded, you just summarized what everyone on this message board has said, and will say. they should just stop being metallica for a couple of years.... then if we want them back we might askm to come back. RETIRE! if you have to stay in the scene tour and play your old sh** only!
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Thanks Kalis_wrath!! the thing is that if i've heard this comment a few years back i would get so p***ed!!! but its just hilarious!! I mean bands like Testament, Anthrax, Death Angel etc etc.. bands who grew up in the metal scene at the same time Metallica did are way better now. Its not a battle between mainstream and underground, sell-outs and true metalheads!! we all are in, i suppose, for the music right? Lets be honest here, and Lars hey buddy!!! yeah you the shorty one, pay attention here... remember that dude with drug and alcohol probs... whats his name Is starts with a "D"... oh yeah!!!! Dave something.... Mustaine!! pfffiiiuuuu i remembered that one (notice my sarcasm pls) That dude is metal man!!! That dude you kicked out of "your" band saying he was a looser... well guys who wants to tell Lars what we really think of the lasts Megadeth albums in comparison of those Metallica released??? LOL Lars you have money right?? Psychiatrist pls!!!! LOL ok thats enough.. and oh yeah the group for kicking lars in the nust will be open soon!
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akaAnger I think your either a little dellusional, or just name dropping...
Anthrax is good, but in no way has a better catalog, or represents the sound of past thrash Metal more than Metallica does. Good - yes, great - at times, but not quite on the level your making them out to be.
Testament is fantastic (more than fantastic) and has been for a long time...but again...catalog, visibility, etc. Testament has gone through some rough patches with some albums as well (albeit better sounding than the Load eta), but certainly not as progressivly changing with the times, as well as progressing thrash. TFOD is a pretty solid comeback record though.
Before you jump in with your "i've listened to thrash my entyire life!!fyi fyi lolol!!oneone!!!11!"...ah who am I kidding, I know it's comming.
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Metallica are the best and will always be the best. Not one single band has come long in the past 25 years that could top Metallica. The only band that ever came close was Pantera. Patera was an awesome band (RIP Dimebag), but at the end of the day, they never came close and Phil Anselmo is the biggest d*** in music bar none. Of all the bands that were around when Metallica started. They are the only ones that really get much attention anymore. Exodus never got the attention they deserved, Anthrax hasn't been good since 'Persistence of Time'. Megadeth was always in Metallica's shadow, and Slayer never really showed the diversity or the balls to try anything different Metallica has. Its Metallica's diversity in their music, their no fear attitude when trying new things, thats there legacy. Anyone can play at 10,000 miles an hour through an entire album and keep that same sound. . Metallica dared to be creative and do it there own way inspite of all the criticism and thats what makes them special. Every album was unique and can stand on its own. It wasn't always 100% thrash, but when you listen without prejudiced ears or the expectation of a repeat of master of puppets, its just damn good music and the new album, kicks ass!!!
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Malcolm writes:
It wasn't always 100% thrash, but when you listen without prejudiced ears or the expectation of a repeat of master of puppets, its just damn good music and the new album, kicks ass!!!
I DID LISTEN TO THE SH1TTY ALBUMS WITH WITH AN OPEN MIND AND OPEN EARS, AND WHAT I HEARD SUCKED A$$!!!!
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Metallica showed the diversity and balls to sell out. Their music wussed out. After ...And Justice they weren't a thrash band anymore. They were a hard rock band, because it sold more. Their music became more accessible and that's what true metalheads are upset about. We only get mad because we loved them so much. And Lars' incorrigible egotism and control issues only aggrevate the problem. It's not very metal to sue your fans, because if it weren't for the few and the proud that loved Metallica in 1985, they wouldn't be the fat cats they are now. Just because Metallica's music is "diverse" doesn't mean it's good. And it certainly isn't thrash, it's just more of the bland radio-rock you get. Metal isn't about being able to get on the radio or sell things. It's about having fun, playing music you love for people you love... and metal is about being metal. There's nothing inherently wrong with enjoying Metallica's later albums - but once again, they're just not as good, and they're just not what the fans think they should be; they lack that special feeling that makes it metal.
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I'm definitely joining the Kick Lars in the Nuts group.
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16. writes:
well do love metallica to death
but saying they carry metal on there back well in english word lars f*** you
like the other dude said there are more metal bands whodid bring metal tous like
testament anthrax and even megadeth hahha
wel he did forget hirax o by the way hirax kicks a$$ still
so metallica did bring the trash metal to more open crowds
but dont even say or bring this bullsh** out of your mouth that you said in the interview
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ElHefe... pls quote me when i say "i've listened to thrash my entyire life!!fyi fyi lolol!!oneone!!!11!". or something like that??? i was refering to Anthrax and Testament cuz those 2 bands are from the same area and stuff, i could mention lots of trash metal bands, and bay-area bands from that time (early 80's) but whats the piont right, i just took a couple as the more representative for the time and that are still active... so.. to sum this sum im in no way expert and im not claiming myself to be one. But i think we all may agree here is that metallica was metallica untill the black album. Pls dont put me the "evolution of band" crap. I mean its ok to evolve, its good and healthy but the way metallica did... man!!! you are deff with me here, or are you on denial?? That aside the main issue here is that these guys think they are still at the top of the chain food here.. and like tom MSF said above... they were de-throned a while ago... SO, to make things clear im no expert and im just sharing my point of view with you all, whether you like or not you are within your right to do accordingly... But Metallica is an icon and shoul stay as that, not as the everlasting machine of metal thats all.
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Wilco and Gunface138: i totally agree with you here!!!
Lars is way out of line with this comment, thats what is making us type here right??? LOL Im a big fan of metal in general!! and i was too a big fan of metallica, they didint loose as a fan beacuse their vid was on MTV or because they have planes and fly in choppers lol they lost me as a fan cuz their music didnt bring me that "hell yeah" vibe they used to... i dunno if im making myself clear here but i know a couple of guys here would understand my point. They simply stop doing good music to MY ears... thats all
And oh yeah i forgot Hirax lol
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All you f***s are retarded. Metallica is still metallica! Always will be. St anger sucked, but every other album was good. You fags really do want a band to make the same album over and over again. That is boring, stupid, and pointless. Once again, every good band changes, and change isnt all that bad. Stop being so close minded about metal or music in general!
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Post 21, he prolly listens to a bunch of f***ing bullsh** no one has ever heard of or cares about!
Korn, tool, rage, 3dg, breaking benjamin, staind, acdc, metallica, skynard, pumpkins, hellyeah, mudvayne, 5 finger, stone sour, pantera, one day as a lion, ect. Thats the sh** right there!
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I JUST REREAD KORNHOLES POST, AND SOME OF THE BANDS HE MENTIONED ARE ULTRA-FUKING-GAY....3 DAYS GRACE, BREAKING BENJAMIN, ONE DAY AS A LION?!?!?!?! AND HE SAYS I LISTEN TO sh** NOONES HEARD OF: ONE DAY AS A LION!! WHAT A HOMO NAME RIGHT THERE...HEAR ME ROAR, IM A LION!!!...
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Gunface138 wrote: "And Lars' incorrigible egotism and control issues only aggrevate the problem. It's not very metal to sue your fans, because if it weren't for the few and the proud that loved Metallica in 1985, they wouldn't be the fat cats they are now. Just because Metallica's music is "diverse" doesn't mean it's good. And it certainly isn't thrash, it's just more of the bland radio-rock you get. Metal isn't about being able to get on the radio or sell things. It's about having fun, playing music you love for people you love... and metal is about being metal."
Wow man!!! excellent comment!! and true also... i was one of those few and proud who loved them. Dont get me wrong i dont hate them either, its just im not having fun with their new stuff anymore. I guess i am entitled to feel like thhat, right? But i do hate Lars and his bla bla bla bla bla
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HAHAHAHA Branded take it easy on the kid (KORNDOGG), he just gave this forum an excellent example of why Metallica and Lars are flying in choppers! This guy, Korndogg, listenins to a whole bunch of bands that cant be listed as metal, and yet he likes Metallica, why???? anyone?? cux Metallica did what few metal bands have done: GO RADIO STARS!! Hey Korndogg dont get mad, its perfectly valid that you listen to those bands i mean music is that: art at everyones grasp! but then again we can see how metallica can be listening to from ppl who listen trance and electronic music to people who like country! Yeah i know some are thinking the words: "they sold out" i dunno about selling out but they did see an oportunity and took it.
Now my metal comment (no pun intendedr and no sacrcasm either): Korndogg the bands you listen to... crap, really, plain crap LOL
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One Day As A Lion is Zack De La Rocha(sp?)'s new band. You know, the singer from Rage Against the Machine.
I totally understand what you're saying akaAnger! Metalheads unite!
Actually I think brandedcfh has a pretty good starting list. Except Tool, why the f*** does everyone like this band?? I don't think they're a bad band, but they bore the sh** out of me. They're like Dragonforce, some people really love them but I can't stand it. The only difference is I think if I were in the mood for Tool I'd listen to them... I'm just never in that mood.
Korn - We don't want Metallica to put out "the same album" - we want them to put out good albums that we can like. I'm a straight metalhead, I listen to almost nothing but metal. Certainly different kinds of metal: death, black, heavy, stoner, doom, thrash, (the list goes on) but Metallica's albums after ...And Justice were just hard rock. That's not metal, and it's pretty f***ed up when then band that was known for being one of the fastest, one of the best THRASH METAL acts totally gave up their roots and started playing easily digestable garbage.
Metallica WERE metal kings. And for a time, their rule was a good and benevolent one. But when a king abdicates his post, neglects his people for the lure of fame and fortune, that king loses the trust and faith of his people and it falls to the people to decide his fate. Metallica have failed their fans by producing nothing but bland hard rock instead of even trying to keep their post as metal masters. Slayer, Testament, Anthrax, Megadeth, Hirax, and all the others that have been mentioned managed to stay metal longer (and I think Slayer's last two albums f***ing kicked ass.) That's why those metal kings retain their fandom, retain their people. They also don't have their heads up their own asses and think they're the best thing that's happened to metal since the double bass. Or at least not to the same degree that Lars does (Kerry seems to be a little c***y.) Like I said before, just because you change the way you sound and "progress" doesn't mean you're good. The lyrics are still ass-terrible, Lars is still a crappy drummer, and they still don't have the two best driving forces in their writing - Mustaine and Burton. They also don't have the anger and anguish that drove their earlier albums, they have nothing to complain about, nothing to write about, they just shouldn't be making new music. They seem like Green Day to me, they come out with an album once in a while when they feel like buying a new car or house or something. I love Metallica - old Metallica. There's no fault in that. And there's no fault in liking newer 'Tallica... but just try to realize why so many people despise them for what they've become.
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Lars: "I was thinking the other day about how everyone expects us to continue to release albums that define the genre, to 'save' metal."
Save metal? From what? Since when did metal need saving? I don't get it. Metallica gave metal an almighty push a couple of decades ago but nowadays they aren't doing anything other bands can do much better.
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Yeah, i think everyone pretty well summed everything up here.
"AND HE SAYS I LISTEN TO sh** NOONES HEARD OF: ONE DAY AS A LION!! WHAT A HOMO NAME RIGHT THERE...HEAR ME ROAR, IM A LION!!!..."
RATM? De la Rocha? Have you been hiding under a rock? Less caps plz!!!
Metallica wasn't daring to be different at all. They had made enough money from there first 4 albums that they just had plenty of breathing room to open there music up to a wider audience. But because they were the iconic band they were they had enough followers that would buy into there new garbage.
As far as there new album, I think its great (except the guitar solos Ruban's half assed job[guitar hero anyone?]) I wouldn't say that they've redefined their sound either. But they have made a step in the right direction as far as creativity goes. Final Verdict (lol?) It's just good music too listen to.
P.S. To everyone expecting another MoP or kill em all. Give it up already. There 25 year older now. It's done. GG.
Another note. LOL at lars. Fight Fire With Fire drums? Def Leopards drummer could probably play twice as fast, with his f***in ass.
"I really dislike it when celebrities get up on a soapbox and start giving their opinion.It shouldn't be more valid, because you're popular. It gets in the way of the music. I like to just live, and think, and feel. Politics bore me. Politics separate people, especially where we're from. Politics rarely bring people together."
Great point.
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That didn't make sense, did it? What I mean is that Metallica aren't genre-defining any more. Loads of other bands are doing much more to make amazing metal music. I won't name names because it'll only provoke a piss-fight but seriously, Sweden alone is doing more for metal these days than Metallica has done since their self-titled album.
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i dont care what any one else says, other then risk, every single megadeth album kicks matalicas ass. f*** the four horsemen, machanix it up f**kers.
and dude, i dont care if matallica became the worlds most famous thrash band (if you can call them that still) exodus, anthrax, testament, accuser, hirax, death row, slaughter lord (just to name a few). WAY better. even new thrash like warbringer, bonded by blood, aveger of blood, all better then matallica. (say for maby the album kill em all)
and dude since when does metal need saving. is lars so blind not to notice the recent uproar in the underground death, black and thrash scenes,
metal never needed saving, and never will, and for lars to think it does, it just shows, he can't be classified a metalhead anymore.
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In a sense I agree with post 36...
Warlockzero: I see your point, I thought the same question, but, before we ask the question "who dethroned them" we must first ask, "what does it mean to be dethroned?"
The masses turning away from a band doesn't seem metal to me...
As for Lars saying that it's up to the band to save metal, I don't think he meant the entire genre... Its all about the band's personal standing point as of now. Back in the day, the were METAL and there was no denying that! Every album in their hay day was pure metal...now people are struggling to keep that reputation with Metallica, and their new albums are always described as, "this is their last chance to redeem themselves" or whatever...since when did a metal band need to redeem themselves? I still can't grasp why Metallica is even in this position in the eyes of the public. It saddens me cuz I still like them.
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I'm going to keep this post short and simple (with some punctuality), which is something anti-Metallica "metalheads' can't do.
Metallica were amazing as thrash in the 80s. 'One' being their first music video, exposed Metallica to a main stream audience as per MTV. With this slip of the success glass, the lack of Burton, and the very honorable ability of the group to 'make their future better than their past' (which has the strongest characteristic of trying new things), they created the Black Album which shot them into stardom.
Metallica continued to 'make their future better than their past' by trying new sounds and different things i.e. "mama said", "garage days cover album". And they did this perfectly, however all the hate comes from those people who are stuck in the thrash 80s (which is justifiable because i really want more of it!!). as soon as the 80s ended so did Thrash Metallica....Maybe all the negativity surrounding the group would be gone if after AJFA, they changed their name to ...
"Hardrocklica."
That said, did anyone see how UNCOMFORTABLE that 'thank you to the fans' from Lars video on youtube was..holy f***.
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I agree with everybody who is anti-lars...They shouldn't be classified as metal. They suck at metal now. If they were classified as a hard-rock band, then I wouldn't be b****y about them now. Post 41: Hardrocklica doesn't have the same ring to it as Metallica, so they'll probably keep their name...just pointing it out :)
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Just to point out... I don't really want another Master of Puppets or Kill 'Em All, I kinda want them to just stop. I lament the passing of great Metallica, and I want them to stop milking it. Everyone knows there has been a recent resugence of old-school bands that broke up years ago, but are back now that metal is more popular and it seems like they're only around for the cash. That's f***ing annoying (although I would've loved to have seen At the Gates, too bad I missed it) and that just seems like what Metallica's been doing for 20 years. Just releasing sub-par music to make a few bucks, and they don't even deserve it as much as some other bands that are coming back.
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Oh for F U C K 's sake you tiny brained less than (insert insulting name) group. Stop already!!! If you don't like metallica don't listen don't comment and don't care. I love every album, I don't like every song. There are songs on every album from first to last that i skip every time. So what. Maybe Lars is an egotistical bastard but he is the drummer... they always sound like that. He's the freaking drummer. James speaks through lyrics and he is always dead on with what he wants to say. He doesn't care one bit if you like it, he doesn't know any of you were ever born. They go into a studio write what they want for a bunch of years and everyone dumps on them. They will still sell out every stadium and still sell millions of cd's and make another 35 to 40 million this fiscal year alone. That's the goal they wanted to achieve. They are a business now. they feed a lot of families and realize that maybe to maximize the profit they should a whole lot better than Bob rock and experiments. Testament is a great band but no one in the world will camp out all night to buy their next one. Megadeth is great but still not good enough. Anthrax actually Metallica's best friends in the beginning... Aren't close. Any other band you can name could stroke out genius but never become half the band Metallica became. The Rolling Stones and Metallica aren't in the same breath. The Stone's suck my sack. Worst band ever. The beatles of metal ... YES they are and you all know it. Keep hating it won't change a thing. Don't buy the CD, 20 more kids will. Don't see them live and miss the greatest sounding show you ever been too. They are technically perfect... except for Kirk his adrenaline gets the best of him.
Wait i'm sorry I went on a rant for no good reason. You hate Metallica for being the best band in the land and that's cool. But i will always be a fan. Some of the songs on Load and reload actually spoke to me in my depressions and battles with decisions. I throw bigger HORNS to Low Man's Lyric than any riff that Dimebag every cut because i have that pain sometimes.
You know what the forces of poserness will try to trick you into believing that the next band is all that is metal and they will call Metallica sell outs just like you. But truth is every new band formed since 1991 was influenced some way buy Metallica and have them to thank for what ever they do or don't achieve.
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post # 45. metal is not about seeling records or selling out areanas. the reason why we dont like matallica any more is because they decided sell out. they did every thing that metal is against. they broke the heart of there fans.
so basicly every thing you just said of why you like matallica is why every one hates them now. and yes actauly i would camp out for the next testament album, or the next megadeth album, or the next anthrax album. but never would i consider to think about even downloading the new matallica record.
they should of stopped after the loss of mustain, and the death of burtain.
oh, and seeing matallica live will NEVER compair to seeing bands like behemoth, megadeth, arsis, quo vadis, vader, kataklysm, cyroptosy, cannbile corpse, exodus, and so many more bands that would give a better show then 4 sell outs trying to make some money to pay there next mansion bills
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personally, i think metallica got dethroned in 91 by pantera when cowboys from hell came out. without pantera where the f*** would the metal scene be right now. they were THE metal band of the 90's.
lars, i dont want you to be in the master of puppets vibe. im just sick of having to tolerate sh**ty music just because your metallica and you guys can get away with whatever you want because u just have a bunch of a$$ kissers all around you 24/7
hang it up guys. you havent wrote a decent song since 1988.
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all this talk of selling out and focusing on the money.....i'm really interested to know how much metallica really makes.
"hang it up guys. you havent wrote a decent song since 1988."
this is incorrect. Correction: they haven't made a thrash-metal masterpiece since 88/89
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"the loss of mustain, and the death of burtain" - Ahaha, almost like some weird misspelt poetry.
"without pantera where the f*** would the metal scene be right now." - Seeing as how they brought about the rise of groove metal, probably a better place. Though we wouldn't have had Pantera then... hmm touch choice.
Very true brettthejett Black album has some great tracks on it.
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I don't know about 'saving metal' . I think bands like Maiden have always kept metal going. If anything - i would say that metallica has saved country/western music. I can honestly say that i can now actually listen to country/western music and enjoy it when i play a metallica cd. awesome - isn't it ? Kiss did the same thing back in the late 70's with pop/disco. My cd collection is enormous. I have everything from the carpenters to cradle of filth - moody blues to manowar. and next to my eagles cds i have metallica. i want to be clear with one thing - i am not putting down metallica...no....on the contrary....i thank them for adding country/western to my collection.
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DAMAGE INC writes:
You have a job? . . and a life? HAHA
Five posts. . . enough said.
You wont post again
heres my post #6 B1TCH!!!
WE LOVE TO TRASHTALK THESE HASBEENS WHO THINK THEY STILL ARE A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH IN THE METAL WORLD...THATS THE FARTHEREST FROM THE TRUTH!!!
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brettthejett writes:
all this talk of selling out and focusing on the money.....i'm really interested to know how much metallica really makes.
Are a fan???? cuz if you are and you didint see some kind of a monster .. dude... shame on you!!! lol there you can see how much they are making
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#45 - Just called Metallica the best band in the land. I really hope you were being ficitious to prove a point, because if not, you have lost all credibilty as a music fan with me. Best band? Perhaps they have the most name recognition cross genres, but best band? That is like saying the New Kids on the Block are the best group because their album hit #2 and their tour has sold out, and God knows it would be a sad day in music if that was the measure of quality.
RIP Music. :(
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yep...sounds pretty egotistical. in their defense though, those quotes are taken out of context in relation to the actual questions asked. if you read the context of the entire interview, it doesn't come across quite so ridiculous. i agree, they were "de-throned" years ago, if they ever really had a "throne", but just reading the amount of comments here in such a short amount time in a way proves that whole point...love em or hate em, everybodies got an opinion on metallica.
its funny in america that we make celebrities, then take satisfaction in seeing them fail.
that sounds like some pressure to me.
personally, i like the new record. i was pretty skeptical that it would be worth a sh**, but it's actually a pretty decent effort despite the fact that there are a million metal bands better or heavier or whatever else you want to call it.
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i saw how lars sold about 20 million worth of paintings, but i also saw his dads 1979 piece of sh** suv. i really dont know the extent of their earnings....do you think each individual has topped the $100 million mark in net worth and what about annual income. i dont think it's as crazy as everyone makes them out to be
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wtf dude!!? i mean i dunno the exact amount of their wealth or their annual income!!! lol but you mentioned the 100 million mark... uhmmm ok if they have 70 million wealth each, doesnt make them wealthy??? lol what about 20 million??? lol c'mon dude have a little perspective, they are deff wealthy if they have the luxury to not tour for 5 years in a row, then go to their studio and record a crapy album and still.. they can fly on choppers!!! see my point??? anyway...
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66. writes:
yeah who did trow them out of the metal chair
let me know who did that
well i think metallica kicks a$$ stiil but i think lars thinks to much of him self when he is in his two bedroom suite
maybe with the new album he will come back to earth
but you all have to say they did lots for the metal scene
but they are not the only ones around who did lots and made good music and did bring kick a$$ albums out
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LOL!!! Lars is sooo full of himself and crap! I don't know if I want to even rake out the money to buy his stinkin' album now.
The only memorable thing he did in the 2000 range was sue people for downloading music for Napster...that's all he was remembered for. He hasn't made a good album since 1991 and yet he's been carrying all of metal on his back for 17 years...WTF!!!
I think I'll invest my money in some real metal and buy the lost tracks of Danzig instead. f*** Metallica!
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Flash news!!! I've listening to the album all day (again!!) and well.... i didint feel the vibe (again!!). Sure the prodcution is way better than in the past albums but well it doesnt grow on me... I tried to listen to it with an open mind and the veridict is NO!!! I think this album is way late. I mean, if this album was recorded 10 years ago i think it would make a great come back album but, now with a lot of great bands making some real good albums i guess its all lost for these guys.
I know i already knew this but i was trying that by listening to the album with my friends it might grow on me but no single song on the album is worth the iconish label it should have for Metallica.
I want to make this very clear, i didint expect MOP II or something, honest!! The thing is, like i said before, their music isnt fun anymore. I do hope Trujillo finds a band that brings out his talent and let him grow even further as a musician!
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Pls stop with this selling out vs. underground, true or whatever... we all are in for the music right???? SO music-wise, i find megadeth's albums (even recent ones) more appealing and genre representative with this "hell yeah" vibe than Metallica's.
I dunno you guys but i do feel this way, who is with me on this one?
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78. writes:
"Atleast Megadeth is listenable" - You haven't heard Risk then! Funnily enough there's only two bands in my whole repertoire I can think of with production so bad I can't listen to the music - Megadeth and Metallica. It seems to me Metallica learnt few lessons from St. Anger. And Megadeth's first few albums... well let's just say it's no surprise where the money funding their drug habits went.
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82. writes:
No, my point was that Metallica stuck to their guns after the Black album and wrote how they wanted to write, which happened to be hard rock and rubbish modern metal. However, writing a bad album is not selling out.
However, Megadeth made a conscious decision to write a pop-rock album in search of hits to make them money. Now that, is selling out.
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84. writes:
I always thought Risk was a pretty good album. I reckon it's comparable to Metallica's Black album.
I didn't get any positive feeling from Load or Reloaded...never mind St. Trash.
I truly liked a few songs on the new album, but after Lar's comment, I have no interest in buying it. Metallica hasn't done crap for metal since ...And Justice For All and that was 1988. If my wife's favorite album is The Black Album...it surely isn't their best Metal album...lol.
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89. writes:
My favorites in this order are mop, rtl, ajfa, kta, black album and dm. I'm not even counting load, reload, not cause I feel they were sh**ty albums, they just don't classify as metal. James said it best when it comes to saint anger, it was an idea that failed! And I don't care what anyone says but s&m was a awesome album.
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Lars is 44?He looks 64"will you still need me,will you still feed me,when I'm 64"-he admits they play'sh**';"when it becomes a joke,we'll stop"-you are already a laughingstock;I watched"Some Kind Of Monster"last night on VH-1;his toddler son has better drumming skills than he does.Talk about a self-delusional,shallow egomaniac personality-everyone that comes in contact with this fruit wants to get away from him after about 10 seconds;he's that irritating.But he's filthy rich!YouSUCKERS-James Hetfield obviosly gets ballistic just being around him.They are definitly an Institution.High-Visibility Celebrities like these get a pat on the back(and a reverent smooch to their backsides)No Matter what they do.Better than the Stones?Their music was chosen to represent Earth & put into Voyager1-I don't think Metallica's"music"will ever rate'high'enough to be sent into space to represent our culture;plus,they're chump change compared to the Stones wealth.Metal's making a comeback-Slipknot's chart succes is proof_
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Metallica is not the Beatles of Metal, I'm sorry if I misunderstood that, but the Beatles were innovators...Metallica isn't. Regardless of whether Load and ReLoad being Hard Rock, if i wanted a Hard Rock album, I wouldn't buy Metallica because they even sucked in that arena lol. Metallica are just full of themselves. They haven't had it since 1987 and they are never going to get it back.
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I know Metallica were big before i was born, but i have all there old albums, (Panteras aswell), and i gotta say, out of all the albums 'Cowboys From Hell" was the best of both bands, but metallica had good albums, and kept them coming, untill Burton died... and yeah, theyve lost their old ways, and are now sh**, but... everyone knows who they are, and they still have a massive fan base, so even if Lars Ulrich is the biggest wanker in music, doesnt that say something for them?
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I am getting sick over reading about how negative people are over this band! I have been listening to them since 1984 and have loved everything they have done; except Load. Part of growing as a person is accepting change and delving into new realms. I love metal of all forms and have changed over time, which has led to a much improved life. Why would I chastise Metallica for doing the same? Grow up people and get a life. And by the way, the new CD is pretty awesome! God bless Metallica!
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^Agree. I think alot of people have been bad mouthing this album just because. I mean if you really hate it thats fine, personally, this album really spoke to me more so in the lyrical sense but then again alot of the topics are about death and to me that concept doesn't get any more fascinating.`As for who "took over" for metallica in the 90's i really do want to say pantera just based on their popularity alone. Yes, there were better bands during that era in metal but i dont think there was a more recognizeable face than cowboys/vulgar display era pantera.
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I see a lot of Metallica bashing. I like 80% of their catalog, with most of that being from their first four. They might not be Metal anymore, but that would be a debatable with Death Magnetic.
I am not a fan of Lars and think Metallica would be so much better with someone like Chris Alder or Dave Lombardo. We know that will not happen. There are two people in Metallica right now, if they broke up, that would have successful side bands. That is James Hetfield and Robert Trujillo.
It is what it is, you either like them or you don't. I have not cared for most their music in the 90’s; the Loads for me were a disappointment. Far as Metal genre, I like bands like Anthrax, Kreator, Slayer, Testament, Pantera, and Lamb of God (one of my favorite Metal bands atm). There is more but those are ones that come to mind.
The question I have for most of the anti-Metallica posters. Who has dethroned them? I think Lars interview was taken out of content, like most interviews and you’re all over reacting.
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102. writes:
i dunno, kirk has been doing the same blues licks for 20 years. and since the moment he grew a wah-wah for a foot, i honestly dont think that he would have anything interesting to offer in a solo career. he's not skilled enough or diverse enough to create something beyond generic. just my opinion though.
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James Hetfield: "METALLICA has really tried to be non-political, as much as possible. I write about the human side of it all. I really dislike it when celebrities get up on a soapbox and start giving their opinion. It shouldn't be more valid, because you're popular."
---Yeah right. Thats why Lars Ulrich did an interview on why he supports the democrats? Mind you, I support the democratic party (even though there is no party which truly defines MYSELF-unless I start my own party), but Lars had no idea what he was talking about. He just sounded like he was talking to hear himself.
Lars Ulrich: "I was thinking the other day about how everyone expects us to continue to release albums that define the genre, to 'save' metal. And that's a lot of f***ing pressure, really. Why hasn't anyone dethroned us yet? We support all the great new metal bands, take them under our wing, but people still want us to carry the whole genre on our backs."
---Oh please, no one wanted you to save Metal, nor did Metal need saving. After the Black Album, trve metalheads (like myself) wanted you all to stop killing Metal (But of course, from then to "St. Anger", you kept on killing Metal). And on that note, I definitely wasn't gonna put it on your backs to save it, if nothing else, you're just wanting to save what's left of your integrity.
And for the record, if Metal needed saving (namely Thrash Metal) I'd have just left it to Sodom, Kreator, Destruction, Testament, and Slayer (If no one else could save Metal, Slayer would save it no matter what).
Now here's a thorough list of bands I'd trust to save Metal before Metallica (in the unlikely event that Metal would be in crisis):
...And Oceans
Apocalyptica (Cellos and Bass Cellos will never be so awesome)
Arch Enemy
Bathory
Behemoth
Belphegor
The Berzerker
Bloodbath
Cannibal Corpse
Carcass
Children of Bodom
Death (Chuck Schuldiner is dead and still the greatest)
Dimmu Borgir
Dissection
Gorgoroth
Hate
Judas Priest
Kreator
Lacuna Coil
Lamb of God
Mayhem (Dead and Euronymous are dead and still the most trve)
Melechesh
Necrophagist (Muhammad shreds like its a bodily function)
Nevemore
Nile
Origin
Pantera (Dimebag is dead and still the greatest)
Satyricon
Scourge (if anyone can find anything from them, let me know. I'm on a quest for their work)
Slayer (Kerry King ALONE could save Metal)
Sodom
Testament (Just a better Metallica. And they didn't turn to absolute sh** in the 90s either)
Trail of Tears
Vader
Vesania
1349 (Frost can blast the sh** out of Lars ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!)
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105. writes:
Termie, like I said, Lars and James never really let Kirk do much of anything they don't want him to do. I think that it is alot of why we only see a limited array of guitar work from him. He could very well have some awesome stuff up his sleeve no one but him and maybe his family have heard. I would deffinately give it a listen and love to hear it.
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Kalis...lolll...post 61 ;-) you're right indeed - esp. when on the subject of 'saving' . So i thank you Kalis for reminding me what is most important here - not that metal needs any saving at all. i think metal is doing just fine BUT we as people need to be saved for sure - from ourselves and from sin because ...'' the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord '' romans 6 :23 So, what must we do to be saved ? it's very simple - ''...whosover calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved '' romans 10 :13
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107. writes:
Wow, Megadeth did a pop album? I knew Mustaine was a little titty babie but not a money whore. If there's any band to dethrone Metallica it's Trivium. Metallica really hasn't been "it" for a while. I don't know what the hell Lars is talking about. People stopped caring about them awhile ago. As far as Metallica being the backbone for metal.........not metal....thrash metal. The most fierce debates envolve wether Slayer or Metallica are the better Thrash band but but once you've heard a true thrash song then you've heard em all. In my opinion. Good points Cynic, As always.
108. writes:
Oh my hell, for anyone here that could possibly rag on the Death Album...........
Your out of your f***ing heads! Death Magnetic is exactly like Master of Puppets, only more to date.
Hetfields lyrics are back to Metallica standard, and he wears his heart on his sleeve everytime he sings.
Ulrichs drumming is back, I was f***ing floored that he could still do double bass like that at his age.
Hammett is incredible on this album and is cranking out solos that are so far from traditional, I don't think anyone can touch them.
Oh and of course the final ingredient.
If it wasn't for Rob Trujillo, Metallica might not even exhist.
Quite a few ideas for DM came from Rob and he has already contributed more to the band than Jason Newstead did, in his whole time with them.
Death Magnetic is the album of the year, hands down!
And do you know why nobody has dethrowned Metallica yet?
Show me any metal band that can sell out an arena for every f***ing show, everytime!
Show me a metal band that can sell as many albums as Death Magnetic already is and will continue to.
There's nobody that even comes close.
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Oh and I'm not saying that music is about selling sh**.
But they're good at what they do, and deserve every penny for doing there job well.
Just like any f***in basketball or football player.
It's all the same, if your good at what you do, then you make more money.
Metallica is the best at what they do, so they sell the most sh**!
Get over it!
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Apocalyptica-Never heard these guys
Arch Enemy-meh
Bathory-Awesome
Behemoth-Awesome
Belphegor-ok
The Berzerker-never heard
Bloodbath-meh
Cannibal Corpse-ok
Carcass-ok(MUCH better live)
Children of Bodom-no
Death-Awesome
Dimmu Borgir-Awesome
Dissection-no
Gorgoroth-no
Hate-never heard
Judas Priest-Awesome
Kreator-Awesome
Lacuna Coil-no
Lamb of God-Awesome
Mayhem-Awesome
Melechesh-Never heard
Necrophagist-I hate this band
Nevemore-ok
Nile-ok
Origin-no
Pantera-awesome
Satyricon-awesome
Scourge-never heard
Slayer-great band but they need to retire
Sodom-Awesome
Testament-Awesome
Trail of Tears-never heard
Vader-Awesome
Vesania-never heard
1349-Awesome
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111. writes:
To post 107, drewbacca... Trivium to dethrone metallica... HAhahaHa. Don't f***ing making me laugh. While I will say that the musicians in that band are talented, they are a copycat waterdown version of metallica at best and unoriginal. They just wanna be like metallica and try to do everything that they do. Trivium is just a bunch of unoriginal musicians that are just something that they will never be. f*** Trivium!!!
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112. writes:
A band does not need to be replaced by another band to be dethroned (in my opinion) and certainly not by Trivium by the way.
The entire genre of Metal doesn't need any saving by any band! What would make people think metal needs saving in the first place???? If something doesn't sound metal, then it most certainly is not...In terms of Metallica 'saving' it, there music doesn't support the entire genre, but the title of metal that they have bestowed upon themselves when they first started out.
"I was thinking the other day about how everyone expects us to continue to release albums that define the genre, to 'save' metal."
Take this apart piece by piece and you'll see that it is their ALBUMS that NEED SAVING to actually SAVE the band's PERSONAL reputation of being METAL. Not the entire genre...
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127. writes:
Tenacious fvcking D are more likely to save metal than Metallica...
Oh, and I heard the new single last night (That Was Just Your Life) - sigh... Slipknot must have been thinking of Metallica when they named their album "All Hope Is Gone."
Also, I think Textures and Yakuza are two bands who well could save metal. Both are brilliant without being overly obscure or inaccessible.
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129. writes:
im still loving how some of the people who flamed me the most about my dislike of metallica, are now saying how dissappointed they are with the new cd. i find how they used hot topic selling their new pile of dogsh1t for $5 to be a rather cheap, underhanded, yet effective way to secure the top rankings on the charts. but if you look at it, they really went below the toilet on this one! $5!! come on, are you that desperate to stay on top by doing that. i see the logistics in the move, but really, did you guys know it was such a bomb of an album that you reduced the price for one day so that it may actually sell good enough for your (a. egos to be satisfied or B. was the music only worth $5)?! im going to say the latter!!!
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130. writes:
I never said Trivium was uncanny dip-sh**s! I never even said Metallica was good. Point I was trying to make was if there is any pansy thrash band to take Metallica's spot in the metal hall of crap then it's Trivium. It's like groundhog day! Same lame, tired ass, monotonous genre just a decade later. I wish people would stop worshipping these losers.
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131. writes:
Haha, wow. You guys all seem to care an awful lot about what Metallica has to say even though you hate them so much. Don't be hypocrites or anything.
As for Lars' statement, he probably said it to get people's panties in a twist, and it sure looks as though he pulled that off.
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134. writes:
^I think their first album was pretty much the peak of Black's career. Which says something, since it was the start of it. I don't think he's a good (or funny) actor. And the second D album was downright terrible. Still enjoy the first on a VERY occassional basis.
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137. writes:
hey brandedcfh420 you are just hating on metallica. who cares if lars or any member are self-centered. alot of people forgive them even though they sued napster. i'm totally not one of those people that agree with what you say about metallica. they are a god's gift to metal and they were the ones that perfected metal. Of course they don't play and sing like they used to, but you got to grow up sometime don't you? from one metallica fan to millions of oher fans, rock on!!!!
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138. writes:
Skinlab is from San Francisco, and today, they are superior to Metallica. Skinlab is one bad mutherfukking band! Machine Head is from Oakland, Ca, and they kick metallica's a^^ as well.
In fact, I was just listening to Skinned Alive from Skinlab a few days ago, and it was monsterous, live, and METAL!
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143. writes:
I am surprised someone actually was dumb enough to put Lars at the helm of a 7,500lb (by my guestamation as a helicopter looks like it is about two and a half cars) death trap! Perhaps like many of the people disgusted with Metallica, had hoped he would crash it! I would have paid to see that!
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147. writes:
To your answer dan - Lars brings problems onto himself by making such stupid comments..
He is delusion to think that Metallica, his band, is the greatest band on earth..and that the fans are putting pressure on him to "save metal". Look, I am happy they released a new album, however, Lars doesn't have to brag about his mansion or that he (whee) rode in a copter. Without the fans' support, he and his bandmates wouldn't have the life of luxury - he tends to forget that quite a bit. Lars is an arrogant lil' sh^T.
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151. writes:
No. I do alot of useful things. I do work and have a busy social life. No kids as I don't want then right now, and don't even think I can have them. So excuse the fvck outta me if you don't like the fact people are not afraid to speak their mind honestly and have time to do it!
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152. writes:
People like danmetal are what is wrong with this country (USA) - boo hoo - dude
I am supposed to feel sorry for you because you actually WORK and have a daughter...you work hard for your money, huh? Well - I got a news flash for you - we all work hard! We have jobs, friends, family, school, responsibility.. I have been employed for 7 years at the same job - can you say the same? Single people are actually SHXT on the most..because (presto) they have more free time to fukk around.or that is what corporations, think. Just because you have a kid and a job doesn't make you any better than anyone on this board. Fukk off with your superior attitude.
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158. writes:
damn man sorry if i offended ive only been working for heb plus overnight (i say heb because your from tx) like a month because the job i had before didnt cut it overall ive been working for 7 years and im wrong with this country what about terrorism that doesnt make sense so im sorry to those who work hard 4 what they have
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1. metalhead644 writes:
HA, trust me, no one expects metallica to carry metal on their backs..... how insulting to every other metal band out there...