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Decapitated Drummer Dead At 23

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Drummer Witold "Vitek" Kieltyka of the Polish extreme metal band DECAPITATED passed away in a Russian hospital from injuries sustained in a recent road collision. He was 23 years old.

Vitek and DECAPITATED singer Covan (real name: Adrian Kowanek) were hurt in an accident earlier in the week involving DECAPITATED's tour bus and a truck carrying wood in Gomel, on the Russia/Belarus border. Both musicians reportedly sustained serious head injuries in the collision, which is believed to have been the fault of the band's driver (although this has not yet been officially confirmed).

According to the Polish Internet portal Onet.pl, Vitek underwent trepanation, a form of surgery in which a hole is drilled or scraped into the skull, and was due to be transported to a hospital in Krakow, Poland for further treatment.

Covan's family released a statement yesterday (Thursday, November 1) that the vocalist's condition had improved. At the time, the vocalist was still said to be at a hospital in Novozybkov, Russia, where he and Vitek were taken following the accident.

Source: Blabbermouth

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1. StabbingTheDrama writes:

That is horrible. Rest in piece Adrian Kowanek!!!

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 11:00 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. coldiem writes:

Gah, 23. What a shame.

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 11:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. Xavez writes:

Damn, thats just plain terrible. I seen them seattle when fear factor toured. Atleast I got to see him one last time. R.I.P \m/

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 11:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. SexBloodandMetal writes:

Damn, everyone is dying...

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 11:40 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. old skool thrash writes:

holy sh**. thats not f***ing cool. R.I.P

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 11:52 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. the druid writes:

damn that sucks only 23

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 12:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. dethmonkee writes:

far too young
R.I.P

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 12:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Hardcore in El Paso,Texas writes:

very sad, rest in peace

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 12:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. Bizzz writes:

Damn, RIP man, that crazy double bass is gonna be missed

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 12:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. B-rad writes:

Damn, I listen to Decapitated all the time. That sucks.

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 12:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Astaroth writes:

Amazing drummer...
He will truly be missed.
R.I.P.

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 1:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. ugSLAYERug writes:

ptyt hes dead these gys werr RACISTS

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 1:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. Ethelred writes:

one of my most favourite bands ever, i hung out with Vitek and Martin after their London show earlier this year...

now Martin's left and Vitek is dead....

This f***in' sucks

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 1:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. ArchNemesis28 writes:

sorry to hear about this, Rest in Peace dude!!

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 1:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. phil writes:

f***ing sad really...R.I.P Vitek. Decapitated was one of the only death metal bands i really digged.

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 1:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. Jason Schneider writes:

That's brutal. I hope Covan survives with minimal damage and is still able to play, but RIP Vitek. A sad day in metal.

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 1:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Paija writes:

Just two weeks ago I saw Decapitated in the concert but now.... It is horrible. .... It's so sad and I don't konw what to say about this...

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18. stormrage writes:

RIP
bro

SeeU in Hell

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 2:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. matt writes:

R.I.P. Witold "Vitek" Kieltyka

That is really, really sad.

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 2:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. FocusShift writes:

Damn. . .that's so young. And not to go out because of his own self-destruction like a lot of musicians of past.

RIP Vitek.

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 2:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. bwop writes:

He started so young but unfortunately ended so young as well. He has impacted the metal community in so many good ways and his music will live on. I was supposed to see them again at the end of this month, but i guess that won't happen anymore. His death is a tragedy but he will always be remembered.
Hail Decapitated
Rip Witold "Vitek" Kieltyka

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 3:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. ZT writes:

Jesus. I f***ing SAW these guys live last year! Such a shame!

RIP dude!

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23. Vicarious_Intent writes:

A true shame...I heard of the accident but at that time he was still alive...23...damn man. Life is too goddamn short.
Rest in Peace Vitek...

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 4:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. Z. writes:

just saw these guys a couple of months ago,
this is pretty sad.
R.I.P.

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 4:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. Quincy writes:

RIP.... one of the best f***ing drummers in the world... far too young to pass away.
REST IN PEACE VITEK

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26. futonrevolutionary writes:

Damn, that sucks. He could f***ing play! RIP

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 4:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. godlike writes:

Not familiar with the band or their music...but to see someone die at this age is just plain Tragic..!!

R.I.P...as he joins the many fallen before him...!!!

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 4:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. Public Execution writes:

This is a very sad day for metal. I wish his family and the remaining members of Decapitated the best of luck.

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29. DreadPrevailed writes:

MAN THIS SUCKS! R.I.P Vitek
Hopefully decapitated still keeps playing :(

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 5:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. jimjam writes:

that suks, he was one of the best metal drummers around, i was going to go see them in December, but not anymore... R.I.P. Witold "Vitek" Kieltyka

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 5:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. Bastard_Of_Bodom writes:

I just started listening to these guys and was hoping to see them with Amon Amarth. Man this really sucks R.I.P Witold "Vitek" Kieltyka keep it brutal dude, keep it brutal.

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 5:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. THEMASTEROFMETAL writes:

Kieltyka Was a good friend of mine, when DECEPITATED play on Mexico... That one is a very... very sad news i cant belive it Check my blog when i have a last conversation with him www.themasterofmetal.tk

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33. Mika Mage writes:

RIP. Really, truly will be missed.

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34. Vicarious_Intent writes:

He left behind quite a legacy though...if you look into his past he was drumming on albums from when he was 15 and kicked a$$ back then too. A true loss...he could have only gotten even better with time...

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 6:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. Jrizzle writes:

R.I.P. One of the best death metal drummers in on of the best death metal bands.
Shame to see him go. And only 23

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36. eagleintheabyss writes:

f*** dude this sucks
R.I.P. to a badass drummer from a badass band.

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37. YAYAMAIDEN writes:

RIP VITEK NOW YOU´RE IN A BEST PLACE R.I.P.

# Nov 2, 2007 @ 7:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. Cynic writes:

In a best place? You're talking about a band whose main topic was nihilism. Death threads always annoy the hell outa me. Anyway, can't say I was ever a fan but their drumming was quality.

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39. Jerciho II writes:

Oh well, this atheistic mutt must be burning his a$$ in hell now, tsk tsk. Satan is going to fork him with his trident for all eternity lmfao. This is what happened with untalented f***s like this one.

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40. Vicarious_Intent writes:

If you weren't joking Jerciho, I want to pop out your eyes and piss in the sockets.

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41. DeeDee writes:

R.I P. XOXO

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42. kallah writes:

This jericho is not the real one...

And btw, why the f*ck does this kind of sh*t always happen to TALENTED bands when p*ssies bands like A7X are still intact...

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43. Vicarious_Intent writes:

Answer is simple kallah. A7X is pretty rich an popular. They hire the best of the best to transport this. Why do you think tragedy struck Metallica all those years ago? Same deal. They didn't have the money to hire the really expensive fancy trucks and drivers. That's why Fall Out Boy and A7X still live on, accident free.

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44. fog06 writes:

I saw them live on july 13, 2007 in Monterrey, Mexico.

Those guys really make good noise !!!!!!!!!!

Witold "Vitek" Kieltyka .....You shall forever dwell in our minds.
Requiscat In Pax \m/

# Nov 3, 2007 @ 12:40 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. Jericho II writes:

What makes you say that Kallah? LMFAO, I started as the man who will put people in their places. And here I am preventing these idiots from mourning an untalented inbred sh**-stain.

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46. Cynic writes:

No you're not, you're just here to start conflict for, my guess would be entertainment. I'm pretty sure everyone gets that though.

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# Nov 3, 2007 @ 1:06 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. Quincy writes:

Jericho,
i suppose you call yourself a Christian of sorts, am i right? what makes you think passing this kind of judgment and ridicule will get you into your so-called "Heaven"?
As an atheist myself, i can say that we all embrace life for what it is, not what we think (hope) we will get at the end of it. We live to live, and Witek's talent and accomplishment in his short span of life is more than any of you and your fellow christ-clutching stagnant scum will ever even approach... don't get it twisted you hypocritical p***y.

# Nov 3, 2007 @ 1:36 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. Brother B writes:

Ummmm post 1, it wasn't Covan that died, it was Vitek. Might want to try re-reading that article.

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49. Whore Grinder writes:

Ah man this is horrible! He was an amazing drummer and he will be missed greatly :(

# Nov 3, 2007 @ 2:24 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. metalhead21 writes:

damn what a horroble loss god bless bro you where one of the best

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51. A.Set writes:

the world has lost one of the most amazing drummers in metal
RIP.
Get well soon Covan!!

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52. Jackrum writes:

Too much talent die young. RIP

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53. FocusShift writes:

Jericho,

Go f*** off and let us mourn the loss of a talented drummer. It's not your place to judge people for their beliefs, isn't that the job of your "God."

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54. Saint Blasphemy writes:

Leave it to some self-righteous peice of sh** like Jericho to show the true colors of religious zealotry. Jesus wouldn't make cheap shots at a tragedy like this. Go f*ck yourself, and I'll see you hell. RIP Vitek. You will me sorely missed.

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55. Me writes:

This Is So Horriuble! RIP Vitek.

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56. kallah writes:

Jericho is just trying to be another machine man.

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57. -RAY- KING SHIT writes:

f*** ME HE WAS A PRODIGY R I P

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58. fearthedje writes:

thats terrible news, really is. for some reason though i had a feeling this would happen with the way that they were talking about his condition. vitek was an amazing drummer and decapitated is one of my favorite bands. he will be missed.

# Nov 3, 2007 @ 12:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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59. Skunkape666 writes:

Let me start off by saying, RIP Vitek, i live in bumf*** iowa, and every time decapitated came to cedar falls to play a show me and my cronies went to see them, and every single f***ing time, i made an effort to go up to Vitek and thank/praise them for returning and slaying for another night. What a truly down to earth, laid back and overall just f***ing awesome dude he was. he even remembered my drunk a$$ every time. Vitek was a gift to the metal community. Now i want to get down to business. Jericho, wow dude you are a true piece of sh**. I would only have to assume your whore of a mother birthed you out of her a$$hole, because thats the only way a f***ing abomination as yourself could ever come to be. And this comes from a guy who usually tries to stay out of these ridiculous message board flame wars, but i honestly couldnt resist this one. This is the first time ever where i really do want to know who the f*** you are and where you are from, just so i can make an effort to find you, forcibly remove your genitals from your body and then forcibly feed them to you. f*** off and die you miserable piece of sh**.

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60. saint lucifer writes:

NOOOOOOO, i was ganna see them with amon amarth on december 14th,

RIP Witold "Vitek" Kieltyka

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61. Red_Chord writes:

Maybe some of you guys were not around but that Jericho dude came on this site a few months ago talking about how big he was gonna get and how much he would school us on metal blah blah blah. He got destroyed by every last one of us and was never heard of again. now he is back, adding the number 2 after is name but still looking for attention.

What we did back then is just ignore every darn word he said he never reply or give him any feedback. so do the same this time. He is not worth your time and he certainly is not Christian. I am and I would never ever rejoice over somebody's death. this is tragic, he was so young, it's truly sad to think about it.

So R.I.P and I hope that the singer gets better and will live on...please get better.

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62. ... writes:

sucks, whats up with everyone dying?
why dont a7x get smashed by a woodtruck!
RIP

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63. kallah writes:

^ Post 43 is your answer to the A7X question. Sad, but true.

And btw, "Jericho II", I'm calling you fake because the Jericho I've seen a few months ago was much more entertaining than you. If anything, you're almost totally different from him.

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64. xXxBODOM OF MY HEARTxXx writes:

omg! i don't listen to this band but seriously how f***ing sad is this sh**!!!!? i mean 23 that is so terrible, what a shame....that is insane, damn i feel bad for him, damn, makes me rethink and realize how short life is and how much we should all live ours to the fullest every f***ing day....my condolences go out the loved ones, friends, family and all the fans out there....keep it metal to the grave!!!!
(((stop the joking sh** about death, really its not cool))))

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65. Pit Monkey writes:

f***ing sucks that all the good musicians die, and untalented pop f***tards live with their dirty money for years and years.

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66. wow writes:

im surprised u even care red chord.... usually your too concerned about how some music isnt metal enough

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67. and writes:

you too jericho

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68. vincent writes:

We have lost a huge talent... rest in peace

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69. Old skool Thrash. writes:

damn, jericho is a twisted person. your a disgrace to the christian faith. if thats what you call yourself.
No one deserves this. i hope vitek's bro is keepin strong and he'll soon continue the band in memory of his bro \m/ stay heavy god bless x

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70. Miss Gore writes:

R.I.P Vitek

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71. StabbingTheDrama writes:

What Jericho has wrong is that atheist's don't believe in going to heaven or hell, meaning they don't believe in an after life. So he didn't go anywhere afterwards, nothing wrong with that. That's a religion, in some way, just like what ever you believe in. This guy was an amazing musician and I hear he was a real cool guy personally also!

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72. FuckedWithAKnife writes:

christians to the lions, f*** christianity its all abunch of bullsh**, all religon is bullsh**, it is the biggest scam ever created, any one who devotes their life to religon and forces it upon others is a trend following p***y that just follows the crowd.
And as for Vitek R.I.P i was really looking forward to seeing decapitated for the first time next month,but this is a f***ing downer, hopefully decapitated get back up on their feet and continue to make true metal!

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73. Red_Chord writes:

All right f***edwithaknife, you made a great intelligent and literate point. But I forgive you and pity you in your closed mind.

As for WOW I just b**** Ax7 and bands like that but usually I don't remember talking that much about how things are not metal enough...if I am I should just change my ways. And I always care about somebody dying. ask anyone who reads my posts, not once have I not care about one of our fellow human being going to the grave. Anyways I do respect your opinion and will look to just not do that if I do. Thanks.

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74. StonerJesus writes:

Too damn young. R.I.P. Vitek

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75. Xplayer writes:

Man, I remember seeing these guys last novemeber in chicago at the metro on the Fear Factory tour. R.I.P. man

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76. drummer1989 writes:

:(omg thats really horrible, at age 23, like wtf........we all miss u man..R.I.P

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77. CrawfordTexasJingoJango writes:

Rest in Peace, man. Wow. 23. What a f***ed up way to die that young.

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78. MAX69 writes:

JESUS WHAT A f***IN TRAGEDY. AT 23 THIS IS WAY TOO YOUNG TO LOSE SUCH A TALENT. DECAPITATED RULE!!! AS USUAL THOUGH, THE KINDERGARTEN HAS OPENED THE DOORS TO LET THE USUAL SUSPECTS DO THEIR MUD SLINGING/ATTENTION SEEKING THING.F.O.A.D TO ANY ONE WHO USES TRAGEDY FOR SELF-GRATIFICATION. R.I.P. VITEK. GET WELL SOON COVAN. ALL THOUGHTS TO YOUR FAMILIES.

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79. Zac writes:

R.I.P. Vitek, man u were f***in' badass

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80. Old skool thrash writes:

f***edwithaknife, i loved your comment due to it's completely unintelligent woffle. theres nothing wrong with having faith, it brings the good out of people. it's due to people like you, preachers and extremist that ruins the name. so yer, take your f***ing comment elsewhere!!
Stay heavy.

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81. Red_Chord writes:

Right on !!

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82. Bastard_Of_Bodom writes:

I agree Old Skool thrash. There is nothing wrong with believing in a religion. It creates stability and order and helps people hope for something more. If christianity or any other religion is true then cool and if its not then so be it. But to attack someones faith just because you don't believe in it is kind of low seeing is how most people on this earth have faith and ALOT of people are Catholic or Christian. Also, attacking someones religion is just as bad as the people who force there religion upon others. So next time do your homework f***edwithaknife. Once again R.I.P Vitek, Horns up guys!!!!

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83. Cynic writes:

"It creates stability and order and helps people hope for something more." - You mean does the and releives the pain of thinking for yourself? Whether that is a positive or negative thing is up to each person to decide for themself. At least extremists put actions behind their worlds.

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84. wow writes:

rip dude........

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85. Old Skool Thrash writes:

Your getting it wrong Cynic, it doesnt have to rule your life.. the whole concept of religion is to do good. and thats the most important thing. it doesnt have to affect yor thinking. as for extremist, they take it overboard and create wars and fight.. whats the point?

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86. LiquidMetal.77 writes:

extremists take everything out of context, they basically create their own religion so they can be ignorant, violent, and annoying.

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87. ... writes:

being an extremist that resorts to violance makes you no better then those jihadist sh**stains in iraq

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88. Cynic writes:

If you ask me, the extremists take the words as they are and have true belief, that's something I respect. The meek however take the solice in the comfort of religion without any real following of the doctrine. I quote Forbidden - "Worshipped on Sunday forgotten all week... Loving their neighbor, yet tasting the flavor of sin, but seeing no wrong". Don't fret I'm not actually taking a side here, I used to be a militant athiest but as I grew up and nihilism grew in that distain for faith took a walk.

"the whole concept of religion is to do good", well that depends on what religion you follow, If doctrine tells you to slaughter the innocent for your deity then everything's not so black and white. If any of you are religious and that's something you're happy with, congrats in the most non-sarcastic way.

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89. ZT writes:

^^Little lady, can't you see
you're so young and so much different than I
I'm 93, you're 16
Can't you see I'm goin' blind

f*** yeah.

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90. old skool thrash writes:

thats cool man.. ^_^ i guess i just made my own religion up haha!

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91. cruor writes:

............................. sigh
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92. cfhdimebag writes:

Religon is ridiculous, how can someone know for a fact that their religon is right? There is no way of telling unless "God" is a true thing or person and comes down from "heaven" and tells everyone what religon is the right one. People make whole wars over religon, they kill each other because they beleive so much in their so called "God". Who knows maybe being Jewish is the right religon, then does that mean that everyone is the whole f***ing world that isn't Jewish will go to hell? I think that it's all just a big scam for people to chose sides further more than they already do ( race, gender etc etc.). So that is why I will stay an Atheist until some sort of God comes down from the heavens above or the ground below and tells us what the f***s up.

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93. the truth you cant handle the truth writes:

Russia gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992 I see the world for what it is, beyond the white and the black The way the government downplays historical facts 'Cuz the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight Build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight You think illuminati's just a f***in conspiracy theory?

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94. the truth you cant handle the truth writes:

Now here's the truth about the system that'll f*** up your mind They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992 And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics But you act like Russia wouldn't destroy two buildings

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95. the truth you cant handle the truth writes:

But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted And d*** Cheney, you f***in leech, tell them your plans About building your pipelines through Afghanistan And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan You might have some house niggaz fooled, but I understand To the contrary, Hitler was a religious zealot who ordered Jesus prayers in all German schools and said God had appointed him to establish a great Aryan empire that was to last a thousand years.

so you see that you really cant handle the truth even if the above is true i still know why it has all happened for i'm the God

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96. stan writes:

R.I.P. vitek.

as to jericho......well i just want to take a sh** on your face. and i'm trying to be subtle.

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97. MorbidAngel666 writes:

how about you idiots have some respect and go discuss politics and religion on some other bullsh** forum...
RIP Vitek

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98. hurricane125 writes:

MORBIDANGEL666 - you said it right brother...these ppl should be ashamed of themselves...why dont you c***s show some repsect and do wat morbidangel said to

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99. SlugEmperor writes:

actually it was just one idiot, and then another guy defending himself, and you will never get any respect calling us c***s.

jericho is just a dip sh** we all know it, lets move on, plus jericho, it is pointless to say that he was untalented when we are mourning a death not debating talent.

my hopes, wishes, and prayers to those close to vitek

by the way stan, that was hilarious

# Nov 10, 2007 @ 9:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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100. SlugEmperor writes:

oh wopps there was more than one idiot sorry missed cfdimebag trying to argue that christians have 'no proof', using his 'no proof.'

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101. SlugEmperor writes:

by the way, cfdimebag, most jews dont even believe in hell, and religion, maybe in ancient holy roman empire times, was a scam, but certainly is not a scam. You are judged a lot more being religious nowadays, including by yourself, sir.

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103. Dark_Funeral writes:

long live metal

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104. cruor writes:

in response to cfdimebag most humans dont base all their beliefs in proof, some people have faith which is when u believe in somethin when there is no proof because that is what makes sense to them, as far as the "holy wars" goes that is wat happens when a religion as a group becomes blind enough to follow one man who claims to be doin his own god's work but most people dont make it their whole lives to convert etc. and just try to live their lives the best they can

rip Vitek

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105. sin of heaven writes:

RIP vitek, you may now live the world that full of sin.............

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106. saint in hell writes:

Rip Vitek, you may now live the world that full of delusional christians................

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107. cfhdimebag writes:

SlugEmperor you are the idiot i was just discussing something, I wasnt trying to attack anyone, and how do I have "no proof" I am simply saying that i don't understand how people consider their reliogon to be right and all others to be wrong.I am not tring to proove anything, or proove anyone wrong you dumb f***, so did i put that in a way that an idiot such as your self can uderstand it?

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108. fearthedje writes:

why is it that a thread that started about the passing of an extremely talented musician has degraded into a conversation about religion. and by the way, none of you are right. thats how religion works. you believe you are right and you have faith in that, but you have no proof. atheism works the same way. you have no proof that god doesn't exist either. so essentially if you think about it in an logical way, neither of the sides are correct, its just your belief, so arguing about truth when truth doesn't really exist on either side is asinine. anyways, i hope that this ends this stupid argument and we can continue to make this forum dedicated to the passing of a man who died way before his time.

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109. Cynic writes:

"you have no proof that god doesn't exist either."

fearthedje - The burden of proof is on those who make claims, not those who deny claims. I'm sure many would testify that the atheist creed is an assertion that there is no god because of a lack of evidence, not an assumption based on evidence.

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110. Thanks fearthedje... writes:

... I fear the disrespectful ignornants on here won't take a blind bit of notice though. This thread is about remembering and respecting the amazing talent of Vitek and letting his family & friends know how much we care.

This religious debate is a disgrace and embarrassing for all concerned. Give Vitek's family the respect they deserve or f--k off to another forum.

Where are the moderators though? I quote......

"These comments are moderated.
Comments should be relevant to the topic at hand and contribute to its discussion.
Personal attacks and/or excessive profanity will not be tolerated and such comments will be removed.
This is not your personal chat room or forum, so please stay on topic. "

Practise what you preach then & get this thread back onto it's purpose. Many of us are grieving the passing of a man that would have become a metal legend. Let us share our thoughts and help ditch these religious zealots (from both sides of the fence!).

RIP Vitek - you are a legend and deserve better than these narrow-minded chimps :-(

# Nov 12, 2007 @ 6:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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111. fearthedje writes:

"fearthedje - The burden of proof is on those who make claims, not those who deny claims. I'm sure many would testify that the atheist creed is an assertion that there is no god because of a lack of evidence, not an assumption based on evidence."

my argument is that atheism should be on the same grounds as religion. it is not exempt from proof. if someone doesn't believe in a god then someone who does believe in a god would need proof of that. you seem to hold that atheism, because of the fact that they don't believe in god is on some sort of special grounds. atheist do make a claim. you can argue that all you want, that its because of lack of evidence, but they still have no evidence of the contrary. atheists cannot prove that god doesn't exist anymore than those of a religion can prove one does exist.

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112. fearthedje writes:

and i am sorry for continuing this debate.

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113. Cynic writes:

Personally I'm not sorry, I see many comments in this thread and disagree with hollow sentiment (but that's just me, everyone deals with death differently).

In any case I understand your argument but I disagree. I do think atheism as resting on special grounds but for different reasons than you think. I think of it this way - Atheism is the absence of belief in a god or a null value, where as all religions are a positive beliefs in a god and therefore have the burden of proof. Just like you don't need to espouse a positive disbelief in a unicorn circling Mars. Also your argument as Dawkins thinks makes it sound like the beliefs are equal. If I was to believe the sun will not rise tomorrow, would my belief be as valid as yours?

I could write an essay but sites like www.atheistfoundation.org.au/belief.htm and skepdic.com/atheism.html probably do more justice.

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114. fearthedje writes:

If I was to believe the sun will not rise tomorrow, would my belief be as valid as yours?

no, because there is proof to the contrary. thats what im saying. there is no proof to the contrary, regardless of atheism being based on not believing in something because of an absence of proof, you still have no evidence for the absence of a god. you make good points, i mean dont get me wrong on that, to each his own. but i feel that you are making an argument towards atheism being more valid than any other religion and i find that it is as ludicrous as someone finding their religion to be true in your eyes. you are essentially guessing. neither side is right or wrong. i just honestly feel as though anything needs some sort of proof to have any sort of validity. i know that most atheists become atheists (not the rebellious teenager idiots who do it to be cool, or to be different) mainly on the absence of any sort of proof, but if you were to have a discussion about it to a person of a faith, couldnt they use the same argument on you? that you havent any proof that a god does not exist either, besides the argument on occum's razor, which is not based on any proof at all, but probability. that is why i feel that atheism should not be held on special grounds.

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115. Dark_Funeral writes:

ok...religion is based on faith. noone knows who is right as far as religion goes.
although atheists cannot prove there is a god, can a muslim,jew,or catholic prove there is? of course not. Religion is an idea, a concept, that people have faith in. I stand on good grounds with religious people as long as they do not attempt to shove their beliefs down my throat. I'll believe what i want, thanks.

Cynic and fear, you both make valid points, and you both could argue about religion forever. Take the groups of muslim faith for example, kurds and shiites have been fighting for hundreds of years, and look what all the fighting did! nothing at all.

Mourn the dead, and move on. Would you argue about religion at this guys funeral or in a cemetary?

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116. james'metalhead' hadlock writes:

this is the saddest news in the past few years. An amazingly talented drummer, the best in death metal. How come he had to die? R.I.P. you will never be forgotten "Vitek".

# Nov 13, 2007 @ 11:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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117. fearthedje writes:

Mourn the dead, and move on. Would you argue about religion at this guys funeral or in a cemetary?

no, i wouldnt, because it would be disrespectful. i do feel as though i am being disrespectful, but the conversation did continue, so i felt that i had a right to respond to it.

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118. Metal of Honor writes:

u will never be forgotten, long live Metal.
R.I.P.

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119. GrimReaper61 writes:

um StabbingTheDrama, Adrian is the singer, Rest In Peace to Witold Kieltyka aka Vitek
Dammit, DECAPITATED is number 2 in my fav bands list.. I hope they continue their 'royal heaviness'

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120. Cynic writes:

Ok, well your original point is that every view on the existance of god is equal since non can be proven.

Now I think this is wrong in two ways. The first is that your reasoning makes it sound that either argument has an equal chance of being true. For example, You believe in a unicorn circling mars, and I don't. I know that in millions of years, there has been no record of any unicorn remains, and the situation is totally idiocy, while you think this because you had a dream about it. So are these two opinions to be taken as equal? 50/50 chance of being true just because we can't prove either?

IN ANY CASE -The second way of what I was originally getting at is set out exactly, perfectly by this link below (it's not very large)

www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/atheismreligion.html

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121. fearthedje writes:

For example, You believe in a unicorn circling mars, and I don't. I know that in millions of years, there has been no record of any unicorn remains, and the situation is totally idiocy, while you think this because you had a dream about it. So are these two opinions to be taken as equal? 50/50 chance of being true just because we can't prove either?

no, they arent equal. and you are ignoring what i was saying about my argument. see, a unicorn is known to not be circling mars because of well something called DIRECT SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, which you, and people of any faith have a complete lack of. it seems that all you have going for you is a smug sense of superiority of those who do have a faith. true, most religious ideas are ludicrous. i am not arguing that. i am simply stating that you have no more proof than anyone else of a faith. all theism is, is an argument of philosophy, and as it stands none is more valid than any other. and as for your 50/50 argument. have you ever heard of schrodinger's cat? i relate atheism and theism like this. there is a probablity that either a god exists or doesnt exist (the cat is dead or alive) and you do not know of which is true until death (opening the box). you can argue all you want about who is right, but until you can prove a point with science you will never have any higher standing than any religion.

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122. me writes:

hey anyone wanna trade nude pics? Im a 17yo male:)

# Nov 15, 2007 @ 4:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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123. Cynic writes:

"i am simply stating that you have no more proof than anyone else of a faith."

fearthedje, from what you're saying it sounds alot like you didn't read the link which pretty much answered everything you keep repeating in each post. I get it, I know exactly your point and have since you first stated it in post 108. Yes I know what Schrodinger's cat/box is, and it shows again your point.

If you can't be bothered to read the link, here I'll try and shorten it for you. You say "i relate atheism and theism like (schrodinger's cat)."

Now as the post above explains this is a play/misunderstanding of the word atheism. Quoted from the link -

"Atheism, by definition, is the absence of theism. If you cannot say "I believe in a Deity/God/Supreme Being" then you are an atheist. If you are not a theist, then you are an atheist.

As mentioned in the Introduction page, there is a subtle but important difference between "believing there is no God", and "not believing there is a God". The first is a belief, the second is a lack of that belief. I don't know any atheists who "believe" God (take your pick, there are plenty) does not exist. All the atheists I know simply do not believe God does exist.

There is a big difference between positively believing that a thing does not exist, and simply lacking belief in it's existence. In many cases, atheists will say "That God does not exist", not because they choose to do so, but because, from the description of the God, it cannot exist due to contradictory attributes."

HENCE, when you say "you have no more proof than anyone else of a faith" I reply, the burden of proof is on those who espouse a belief, not those who lack it. (my point since the first post on this topic) Finally, I'm not trying to be smug and giving atheism a plateau of superiority, rather I state that it is a default/null/lack of state - i.e. atheism is on a different plane/scale/dimension/whatever!compared to theism.

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124. fearthedje writes:

see you miss my point. you have NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS. so in my eyes, you have no more proof of a god not existing than of one existing. and believing in no god and not believing there is a god are exactly the same. just with different wordings. it honestly seems that all you care about is the meaning of the word atheism. you still havent come up with any valid argument besides semantics. atheism is on the same plane as theism. they are both completely without any evidence. the link you had in your previous post merely stated that atheism isnt a religion because it doesnt have a church or prayers or anything of that nature. WOW! YOU SERIOUSLY BLEW MY MIND. I SO DIDNT KNOW THAT!!!!!!! thats not the reason why i feel it is on the same plane as religion. YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF ANYTHING. you have no proof, people of faith have no proof. do you need any more logic than that? neither side is right, all you are doing is guessing, just like THEISM. you can keep sending me links to page after page and its all going to be the same argument. the fact that you feel that i just dont have an understanding of atheism proves that you completely missed my point.

# Nov 15, 2007 @ 7:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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125. fearthedje writes:

to finally hammer in my point. i understand that you feel as though theists have something to prove because they make a claim, but atheists make a claim as well. you say that "you don't believe in god" which you say places the burden of proof on the theists. heres the issue here, you use certain wording so that you feel you are exempt from the burden of proof. YOU ARE NOT. you are making the claim that god does not exist. heres an example, say that i say that i do not believe in gravity. true, someone would have to prove gravity to me, but if i were to have any validity to my argument (which obviously there is none to this) i would have to state a valid reason as to why gravity does not exist. i am making a claim, i am saying that there is no gravity, that gravity does not exist. you are claiming that there is no god, hence you are claiming that god does not exist.

use whatever semantic reasoning that you want, cleverly structure a sentence, use another webpage, whatever. you still are making a claim, and you seem to take issue with that fact. you are making the claim that others are wrong in their belief, and that god does not exist. in order for your claim to be any more valid that say that of catholicism you need to have proof.

so to use the argument that you use on theists, and that theists use on you. prove that god does not exist scientifically. and to make it fair, someone of a religion prove that god does exist scientifically. until then you are both just stating you beliefs. hmmmm, beliefs, i wonder if this is why both are on the same plane?

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126. me writes:

what about those nude pics:)?

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127. bayolens writes:

sh** happens...they sound pretty ok,what a waste..

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128. GODLESS RISING writes:

This truly is a tragedy in metal history....R.I.P Vitek HAIL SATAN SCUM BAGS!!!!

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129. ZT writes:

Wow.

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130. Cynic writes:

@ fearthedje - "see you miss my point. you have NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS. so in my eyes, you have no more proof of a god not existing than of one existing..... and believing in no god and not believing there is a god are exactly the same. "

From post 1 I have gone to pains to show that I understand your point, so I find it strange you repeating the same point over and over, so here is mine condensed even more than the previous post.

A LACK OF BELIEF is different from a BELIEF, and it doesn't make sense/is illogical for a LACK OF BELIEF to need any scientific data because that wouldn't make sense. You either disagree with that sentence or you can't understand that idea.

Bottom line when I google "is atheism a belief" the top articles all espouse my rationale. If you still after this don't agree with that idea of the word atheism, this article entitled "Belief vs. Disbelief " DIRECTLY explains it, so I suggest you give it a read (once again short) -

atheism.about.com/od/atheismquestions/a/beliefdisbelief.htm

However, I very much so have also always agreed with you that a positive disbelief in a certain god, say for example Jehovah is a belief that some atheists may have, and hence in this case your arguing about something that by it's definition can't be proven scientifically so the claims are equal in "disprovability" (yes I know that's not a word but I'm tired haha)

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131. fearthedje writes:

you are right. after i posted i did realize the impossibility of proof of a negative, i do apologize for that, but no offense but the argument you presented didnt really cover that. or if it did, it wasnt presented very clearly. but i was being a d***. im quite strong headed once i think im correct in an argument, but i was really going for the positive disbelief angle. but my feelings towards atheism is that it is no more valid than any other idea or philosophy including religion, that was really my original argument when i started. i do understand that atheism cannot be proven because you cannot prove a negative. anyways, i wish to end this discussion because i do feel as though neither of us is going to agree with the other because of our personal beliefs towards religion.

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132. Cynic writes:

Ha nah you weren't at all being a d*** I think both of us were going around in circles trying to spit the same thing out. In any case, well met mate! Beats endless profanity and homophobic slurs any day lol - RIP Vitek.

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133. Dark_Funeral writes:

yeah ill admit that was a damn good debate

# Nov 18, 2007 @ 9:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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134. fearthedje writes:

def man, its good to have someone whos above that here.

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135. trueblooded writes:

religion is an excuse ,for a lack of character..somthing to hold on to,when all else fails....gotta have some balls man to survive!!f*** religion,f*** the norms!! resist-exist!!
belive in yourself,and all gods die!!and for the record,religion has killed more people than cancer!!emancipate!!keep the metal!!!

# Nov 23, 2007 @ 10:28 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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136. fearthedje writes:

and for the record,religion has killed more people than cancer!!emancipate!!keep the metal!!!

stalin was an atheist and killed more people than hitler. lets not forget pol pot either.

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