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Is Hardcore Music Associated With Violence? A Study Seems To Think So....

Jason Abbruzzese of Sentinel & Enterprise reports that the brawl that erupted last week after a hardcore punk-rock show at a church in Leominster, Massachusetts reportedly began as a fight in the mosh pit in front of the stage, where the band CUT THROAT was playing.

One of many?

The fight, which resulted in three arrests, is just another example in a long line of altercations at these types of concerts, according to Justin Prokowiew, 19, of Shirley, who said he and friends attended the show on August 12.

"I hear a lot of that kind of stuff happens at the shows," said Prokowiew, who also works at a local Newbury Comics. "[At] local shows, a lot of fights break out. It's pretty much just local kids getting into fights with other local kids they know. No strangers are doing it."

Other local area youths say that moshing is a big part of the local music scene for teenagers.

Shane Caron, 15, of Fitchburg said he feels that 15- to 20-year-olds tend to do the most moshing.

"That's like the major age range for moshing," said Caron, who said he mostly listens to punk and heavy metal. "It's usually just the atmosphere — mosh pits everywhere."

New genres of rock have emerged with similar qualities to predecessors of metal and punk but with an extreme edge.

One of the most recognized movements, punk-rock music known as "hardcore," is closely associated with violence.

Michelle Shaughnessy, 18, of Fitchburg, said the most intense violence can usually be found at hardcore shows.

"At real hardcore shows there's a lot of fights," said Shaughnessy.

She said she has see her fair share of mosh pit injuries, including being hit in the head with a bottle at last year's Locobazooka concert at the Fitchburg Municipal Airport. "People get messed up."

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1. Thrash Banger writes:

If a person wants to get into a fight or kill, they will.
Music is not a factor.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 12:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. deathmetalrules420 writes:

yeah...hxc dancing is stupid...

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 12:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. psythe writes:

I agree, they're taking outside anger into the pit and using the music as an excuse to release some pent-up testosterone. bloody angsty teenagers. It really doesn't have anything much to do with the music. They'd just find another excuse anyway.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 12:58 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. dmasa writes:

wow hardcore is so gay and their shows r twice as gay. its the way they hardcore kick and punch and gay stuff thats y they get in fights its bound 2 happen if your kickin in punchin each other.fags

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 1:22 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. BentDreadknot writes:

Why is metal always the only focus? Why doesn't anyone complain about something like, say, suicude and emo music? Plenty of kids do that, but no, it's not NEARLY as bad as metal because someone wrote a lyric with the word death/satan/kill. Some crazy nut is always trying to champion some foolish cause or another, one day they will see this won't be one won't win...

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 1:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. BentDreadknot writes:

One day they will see this won't be one they can win***

Spelling ftl...

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 1:35 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. psythe writes:

^^I'd like to see that day!

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 1:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. KF writes:

YOU KNOW YOU'RE BOUND TO GET HIT IF YOU HC DANCE, SO I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THESE f***ERS ARE GETTING MAD AND STARTING FIGHTS? TAKE THE HIT LIKE A f***EN MAN. WHETHER YOU'RE MOSHING OR DANCING, YOU'RE BOUND TO GET HIT AT A CONCERT ATLEAST ONCE. I GOT HIT, LIKE AN UPPER CUT OR SOMETHING, AT THE f***EN DAMAGE PLAN CONCERT A COUPLE YEARS AGO. I WAS LIKE f*** IT. I GOT IN THERE MYSELF AND STARTED PUSHING PEOPLE AROUND. HARD. BUT I DIDNT f***EN PUNCH ANYONE.... b****ES....

(SIDE NOTE)
PERSONALLY I THINK HARDCORE DANCING LOOKS MORE KICK a$$ THAN RUNNING IN A f***EN CIRCLE PUSHING EACH OTHER. ITS TOUGHER. SO I DONT SEE HOW THATS GAY. HARDCORE MUSIC IS BAD ASS.

AND WHEN I SAY HARDCORE, I MEAN HARDMOTHERf***ENCORE. NOT NO f***EN GAY a$$ EMOCORE, QUEER SCREAMO AND sh**.
HARDCORE. f***EN HATEBREED, TERROR, BURY YOUR DEAD, AGNOSTIC FRONT, CRO MAGS, THATS f***EN HARDCORE...
f*** EMO!!!!

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 2:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. psythe writes:

Bleeding Through are one of my fav. hardcore-type bands. Hatebreed are pretty good. But I'm not really a huge fan of the genre.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 2:39 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. kev74d writes:

Once again "they" try to blame what "they" don't understand. It all depends on the individual. YOU are responcible for YOUR own actions. Not the music you listien to. Not the fact that mommy and daddy didn't perform up to your standards. When YOU decide to go to a show and act like a complete jack-a$$, thats nobody's fault but YOUR own. I like a good show just as much as the next person, but when did having a good time become beating the hell out of someone or raping/killing? Maybe I didn't get the memo. I guess the times they are a changin.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 6:26 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. SlayerRulz writes:

You know, we don't have bands shooting each other or their "possees" getting into brawls in front of bars like, oh say RAP! Yeah, there have been some violent death's in metal (RIP Dime, Cobain), but those were not from another band trying to show how "hard" they are. Also, you don't hear a whole lot about people in metal bands committing family violence like, oh say COUNTRY! Sure, there are some fringe folks in punk and hardcore like G.G. Allen, but for the most part (at least bands I listen to) metal bands play music and try to have a good time and so do the fans. If some jackasses want to cause trouble then that's on them. Don't blame MY music for that. Blame them and their parents. Too much "the devil made me do it" bull sh it going on these days.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 7:23 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. psythe writes:

^^DAMNED FVCKIN STRAIGHT!! That's a good point, I never really thought about that before - why doesn't Rap or Country music get as bad, if not worse a rap than Metal? That makes little sense now that I think about it.

lol, loved your closing, Kev; "I guess the times they are a changin." I enjoyed that. Good stuff.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 8:44 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. elkippy writes:

to the guy who thinks that hxc dancing is tough, lol you're a moron. going to a show and getting in a moshpit and circle pit isnt supposed to be about looking tough its supposed to be about having a good time and yeah circle pits or whatevr can be just as violent but you wont see d|ckheads trying to circle kick each other like they know king fu or some sh|t like that.
in the circle/moshpits ive been in (at METAL gigs), if a guy falls over he gets picked up and they all have a great atmosphere. harcore dancing goes against all of that and so no wonder these d|ckheads are getting into fighs with each other when they are acting like morons with no respect for anyone else who might be there with them trying to enjoy the show as well.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 11:48 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. Vayne Theories writes:

Bury Your Dead kicks major ass, u forgot them psythe :)

The points are well valid, but as important to the people who write these as those who tell you violent video games cause violent kids. Its not true, and we here in the REAL world know that, but these people need their 10$ words and lengthy hate articles to attempt to scare parents into putting their kids into a god-damned bubble.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 12:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Scorched_Earth writes:

Psythe-

Hip Hop/Rap gets worse, San Francisco damn near had an ordinance to prevent Hip Hop shows while whenever I went to Punk/Hardcore show men, women and children were getting beaten senseless.

News always reports things this way. It's the 'mainstream' verse the others, the old versus the young-media perpetuates fear anyway it can-its the only way they can sell you more sh** you don't need...

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 1:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. BLACKDOG writes:

SCORCHED_EARTH : THAT"S NOT TRUE ! This type of sh** can and does happen anytime & anywhere.No one type of music has the market cornerd on violence.I listen to all types of music & attend all types of concert's so I would know.Hell I ounce witnessed a six man brawl at of all thing's a counting crowes show.Give it some thought.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 4:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. SpellofNature writes:

Hardcore music is not so much associated with violence as the "trend" of hardcore. Camo hats, army shants, (Yes, shants) And hooded sweatshirt with a backpack in the moshpit. Also the " brass knuckle" is a major symbol in the hardcore industry. With my many visits to NE Metalfest, I have come to the conclusion that hardcore fans have no respect for anything. Even if you are not participating in the mosh pit, they will slam into the outer rims of the crowd, often with their fists. At one show during a god-awful band that is named "Walls of Jericho," the singer was condoning the violence. She said, and I quote " I want to see blood" and the place went nuts. They were climbing up the people who actually wanted to watch the show. The trendiness of hardcore makes me want to projectile vomit. Though I will not say every single hardcore fan is a moron, a bulk of them are.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 6:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. RememberMetal? writes:

Hardcore is responsible for violence........

Sure, I'll accept that: as soon as the church going, god-fearing, bread basket dwelling, family values-clutching, fundamentalists own up to the intolerance and mass genocide that following Christ (*or enter your god of choice here*) has caused over the centuries.

People see a symptom of humanity (like beating the sh** out of eachother) as something we can prevent...Like a sunburn or Aids.

The propensity for violence is an animal characteristic that is as natural as eating and f***ing.

We have bigger threats to our children than music, videogames, and online pornography.

Obesity, terrorism, preemptive wars, crystal meth, non-existant sex education programs and avian flu....These things are killing loads of kids and noone even flinches.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 8:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. Vayne Theories writes:

And this is why RM? will be mayor of your city one day. Well f***in said.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 8:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. kid that lives in a bubble... writes:

I hate my parents for not letting me listen to rock music, go to concerts and hang out with the cool kids....I dont even get to drive the car or nothing......they dont think of my feelings at all....
If I turn out to be gay when I grow up will it be their fault..?

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 8:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. Vayne Theories writes:

Its hard to say, im sure we will be whipping your a$$ whether its their fault or not.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 9:22 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. BLACKDOG writes:

I probably should not laugh at this.If your jokeing then LOL! However if your serious and you are below the age of 16 or 17.Then you gotta do what your parent's say.They pay the bill's & all your really doing is renting a room.You could try talking it out with them and explaineing how you feel.That worked most of the time when I was comeing up.That may not work if they are BIBLE THUMPERS however.In that case people like this never seem to know when to let go.This creates an unnecessary power strugle as the child get's older.As it did with me where certain people in my family are concerned.Eventually I just stopped careing what they think and the general consensus is that I may have a DEMON rideing me.This might be true but at the end of the day that evil b****!!! know's who's in charge & stay's in her place until such time as I say different.

In any event I seriously doubt not being able to hang out with the "COOL KID'S" as you put it is gonna cause you to become gay.Where I come from the COOL KID'S arent allway's the cool kid's so to speak.I know a so called COOL KID.He's got a bad Coke problem & he's Bi-sexual.He also has a bad habit of trying to force his gay tendencies on non gay people whenever he get's drunk or high.REAL COOL RIGHT!!!

My advice is.Assumeing your still a kid #1 respect your parent's until such time as you can pay your own bill's.There word is law unfortunately.In most cases it's for your own good. #2 Be your self.Anybody that gives you sh** just because you can't hang out at a show or whatever is not your friend to begin with so f***EM!!!!! LASTLY #3 Don't rush to grow up.That's one of the bigger problem's with kid's today.Then againe what do I know.You could all to easily be RED DEVIL or one of those other clowns lurking around M.U.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 9:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. kid that lives in a bubble writes:

hey BLACKDOG that was truly fu#*in inspirational...I feel bad now...cause actually I am a 40 yr old metalhead/stoner who was just yankin your chain....
watch out tho cause it might be someone like me that you were jackin off too in that other chatroom...............................LEDHEADS rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 9:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. BLACKDOG writes:

Masturbation is a totally normal and healthy activity.As long as you are not doing it while posteing in a chat room or pretending to be a adolescent in a chat room.So obviously it was not me you were talking to.Besides my girl gives me hand job's regularly among other thing's.So I have no need for internet sex.Oh well live and learn

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 10:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. BLACKDOG writes:

Oh yeah...... Glad to be of assistance.

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 10:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. kid that lives in a bubble... writes:

hey thanks for the words of wisdom tho...its good to see that...instead of all the name calling,put downs and other childish if not simple minded comments that run so rampant around here....you can actually give some good well rounded advice...
*** In the words of the great R.P--" The pain of war cannot exceed, the woe of aftermath..."

# Aug 21, 2006 @ 11:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. BLACKDOG writes:

Glad to be of assistance.....I'm hardly the smartest guy in the world but I'm good for the occasional enlightened speech occasionally.Think of me as a wise a$$ guru of sort's.My moto is "If your not hurting anybody (includeing yourself) have a great time."Not to be confused with the SATANIC "DO AS THOU WILT".Similar but not the same.

# Aug 22, 2006 @ 12:06 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address

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