Deicide Frontman Glen Benton Slams Blabbermouth
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Glen Benton, frontman of the legendary death metal band Deicide has posted the following message online:
"Let me clear up a few things about past cancellations and the recent central american fiasco, firstly to all you stupid fucks on blabber crap in your mouth.net who talk your crap about my past cancellations of shows. I only cancel shows when the safety of the band has come into question or if there is a personal family issue for anyone in the band or crew that might arise ( and they do) and lastly the unprofessional and dirty dealings of adolescent shit promoters who like to play games with our money. Yes money!!!!!!…Did you stupid fucks that post your ridicules bullshit on blabber crap.net think we do this for free? Fuck no!!!!!…There is this bad habit my kids have it's called eating and living under a roof…and when you fuck with my money I take it personally and I walk, I have that option…I'm my own boss.. I have better things to do than get stuck at airports and stranded in foreign countries where I cant communicate in order to do my job when people drop the ball. So when we make an agreement with someone for a performance I expect them to live up to their part of the agreement, if not, I do what I have to. Most intelligent people would agree that not even I work for free. Unlike you children who post your ignorant bullshit on blabbercrap.net while living in your parents basement with mommy washing and folding your underwear and cooking your meals and wiping your asses…I am an adult with family and big people responsibilities…and have people who count on myself to make decisions in the best interest and safety of myself and the other members of DEICIDE..I am never happy having to walk off a tour or not do a scheduled show - this is not something I plan or conspire to do, and you the fan are not the only ones disappointed, we are as well. It is the nature of the beast in this business.
"I want all to know and remember this especially all you jack offs that like to talk shit but have never been out of your own front yard nevertheless out of this country, I don't do this for you…I do it for me…and when it comes to me you don't matter, so when you book DEICIDE you wannabe big time promoters …remember this, breech my contract in anyway and you to will find yourself with your dick in your hands and the fans kicking your ass….GB"
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4. writes:
"""I don't do this for you…I do it for me…and when it comes to me you don't matter,"""
so all you deicide fans be sure sure to remeber that you mean nothing to the biggest poser of all time!!!! this guy tries so hard to a satanist that its become a joke of itself. deicide has never made a decent cd, and the band itself needs to actually learn how to play music:
stormblast drums.....gay a$$ wannabe satanic lyrics....more stormblasting....more crappy a$$ vocals....1000 mph guitars that suck balls.....WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!
BTW, BOLTTHROWER, metallica probably sees it as free advertising, where as this bloody douche bag thinks hes satans gift to metal, but is really just a roll of toilet paper!!!!!
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5. writes:
Heehee. I don't follow Deicide much. I think I heard Dead By Dawn on a compilation.
Bands do things for different reasons. Some for money, some for chicks, some for the fans, and some for the music. I don't fault anyone for doing something for the money. The only reason I go to my lame, boring job is for the money. If I didn't need the money, I wouldn't go or find something I'd rather do where money isn't the main issue. The only way to make money is to give some people what they want. The Deicide product must be worthy to some people.
What gets me is that he doesn't seem to consider the rest of the band or crew. I wonder if they all feel the same way.
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It warms my heart to read Glenn's comments. It seems all people want to do on blabbercrap is bash everything without having the faintest idea of how this BUSINESS works. What we as fans need to get a grasp on is the fact that these guys aren't alot different than us. You wouldn't go work your job for 40 hours and then expect to be jerked around on your money now would you?? Hell no!! Much respect for Mr. Benton!!!
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I enjoyed posting it as much as you enjoyed reading it. AHAHAHA!
In all fairness to Blabbermouth they churn out news well, but when it comes down to it, myself and alot of other metal fans will stick to websites like MetalUnderground 'cause we didn't have a f***ing big record label backing us and Deathbringer especially should be given a shout out for maintaining this site for seven years with next to no backing. Either way, I don't think Blabbermouth is gonna like other sites posting this story and to be fair, neither would I. But that's life.
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20. writes:
the funny thing is he is talkin smack about the smack being talked...what a contradiction....anyways, deicide never was of any relevance!!!....
bruno, OUTC, had a cpl of so-so tunes, but overall it was just another wannabe satanist trying his best to get a flock of brain-dead lost sheep who are lost in life to be his minions. each cd after OUTC was worse than the previous.
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Well I'll agree that a lot of the sh** talkers are totally ignorant and don't know what they're talking about half of the time. But that generally means they're not worth responding too directly also. The negative comments and possible backlash you see in a few comments above are exactly why - you risk causing actual damage to your image yourself while responding to a bunch of mostly uninformed people or plain haters. Nothing gained.
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branded -- I wouldn't say that anybody who listens to Satanic music is brain-dead or lost in life. I just don't find any answers in Christianity. But not all who wander are lost.
Anyway, I like Deicide, but I can't listen to them often, because the whole "I hate God" thing gets kind of boring after a bit.
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Brandedcfh420- Really? I thought it was the sh**! But hey, each their own. Are you into death metal at all? I am into Slayer, Behemoth, Morbid Angel, Nile, Deicide, 90's Testament, ..and of course the mighty Death, but that goes without saying! Also Hypocrisy and Amon Amarth from across the pond are the sh**! That is pretty much all the death metal I listen to.
Deathbringer- Exactly! Excellant point.
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BlindGreed- I didn' t think anyone would catch that!
Brandedcfh420- A good friend of mine burned it for me. I thought it was an awesome CD. In fact, I am getting Christ Illusion in a day or two and am afraid that it won't be as good as F.O.D.
But that, again, I am sure that the new Slayer and Testament will both kick a$$ in their own respective ways.
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31. writes:
While I understand Glenn's frustration...this is quite the reprimand. He could have applied a little bit of restraint and self-editing. I mean, saying he is in music for himself, whether directed at promoters or not, is ignorant on his part. Every true artist creates from a compulsion, and in that sense it is for the creator, themself, but art needs to be shared, and here it becomes more. To deny the second half is simply a lack of humility.
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TOG: There's no need to do that brother. Just get it and you can thank me/branded and Bruno later. lol. It's bad a$$. Testament... They're baaaaaack.
Bruno: The only "negative" thing i've heard from anybody about Christ Illusion is that they think it's "the same old Slayer". I myself think that is a GOOD thing. However, I don't think you can compare the two because Testament has been out of the fold for so long and they are back to their origional line-up. That just light's a huge bon fire under your a$$ when your composing.
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38. writes:
I know the word "image" probably doesn't sound right in the context, but that's about what it is. If he wasn't concerned about it he wouldn't be getting on and essentially defending his band from these comments. "a little bit of restraint and self-editing" is exactly what's needed, but the result comes back to the appearance of not caring about his image again.
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39. writes:
I could post to you all individually but I think most of you are missing the point. Glen doesn't give a f*** about anyone. Burning the cross in his forehead was a perfect example of that, he didn't do it to impress a bunch of f***ing posers or media goons. Glen has set the record straight in so many interviews but no-one cares, they all love to hate the imaginary image of him they have.
@branded - you need to close your massive gob, Deicide not of any relevance? Oh yeah, not like they're one of the biggest selling death metal acts or anything - why don't you go back to listening to Godsmack and Kittie?
On a final note, "The Stench Of Redemption" f***ings slays.
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41. writes:
Doing something to preserve an image is the definition of caring how you appear to others. But either way, he could stand to have a little humility. And relevancy is subjective. We've had the argument that sales don't equate talent. Although I do in fact like Deicide.
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42. writes:
True, but seeing as how Deicide never changed their sound (rather put out a bunch of mediocre albums to get off Roadrunner) and Deicide were/still are such and underground death metal act - I think that says a lot. My guess is Benton would spit on humility. I don't think relevancy is subjective, both records sales and number of bands influenced is quantitative.
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I agree with post 7 \m/
Yeah, I am young but I completely understand the situation(s). He's so bold and straight forward I actually LOVE it.
Some people might say, "If he doesn't care about anyone, then why does he care about what people on blabbermouth.net say?" Well that's a common thought, but there's a difference between 'not caring' and 'clearing things up.' In this case, temperance was none of his concern, and that's fine by me. The point got across and it was well said.
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cynic....nooooooooooooooo...i will not shut my massive "gob"...deicide is just band using a satanic image to sell cds. lets see, hhhmmmm, how many other bands out there are doing it or have done it, and doing it or done it better i might add?!?!?...tons, and deicide is a joke of a band...this band never was any good, imo. go ahead, flame away, i dont care..ill still say that deicide sux whale sh1t off the bottom of the ocean!!!
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It does say a lot Cynic, and like I said, I like Deicide's music. I must admit I take it with a grain of salt. It's just to me, if he truly did not care, the thought to "clear things up" would not cross his mind...definitely not this passionately, because, in theory, it should roll off his back as the phrase goes. And he's not "clearing up" anything, nor is he being "bold". He's publicly reprimanding without fear of reprisal. He never names anyone so he cannot be sued.
And relevancy is subjective. They're only relevant to those they've inspired directly.
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Thanks Jenny I agree with you too. And you kali!
Well maybe if you're are using relevancy as a term only prescribing to yourself, but that would be an obvious misdirection. The obvious field of relevancy for a band is to the music community, otherwise you would say "relevant to me", which branded did not. So -
"They're only relevant to those they've inspired directly.", and if you count them up, compare them to others and include other quantitative measures, then you have relevancy to the music community as a non-subjective term.
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ok brandedcfh420 everytime i'm on here your talking smack about someone, shut up for once in your life, Glen was not talking about the fans who truly support him when he said "I don't do this for you…I do it for me…and when it comes to me you don't matter," he was talking to the small time promoters who mess with his scheduling and to the fans who talk smack... like you. If you don't like deicide then dont listen to them and keep your damn mouth shut. "GLEN BENTON FOR PRESIDENT 2012"
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54. writes:
To the entire music community, of course. But lets narrow this down to the metal community because that's what we're really talking about. I would say no/partially, and I could write an essay why but I won't bore you. There would be plenty that would disagree and say yes, but that doesn't imply subjectivity, it implies one of us is wrong.
I disagree that music community is subjective by first principles/atomic reasoning. If you listen to/buys cds from artists/are in a band/create music, you are part of the music community. Therefore, it becomes a base to measure quantitative relevance of bands.
Are you going to argue that a shoddy myspace band has the same subjective relevance as Metallica?
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I would say a shoddy myspace band has no relevance period because they probably have not directly inspired anyone. Metallica has, and to those inspired, Metallica is relevant. To me, Metallica has never inspired me to do anything, zero relevance. Now if you mean importance, or necessary inclusion in a modern music catalogue, that's a different argument.
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No I'm not, I'm simply talking about "relevance to ones person" and "relevance to the music community". "relevance to ones person" is all but frivolous small talk to me, and so in my post 39 I was meaning relevance to the music community, which I have defined. So my statement was that Deicide are relevant to the music community, because of the number of bands they have influenced, no. of sales etc.
Now previously you said "relevancy is subjective", which is true in the frivolous case mentioned but otherwise I disagree. And also, I would say that influence on others is not necessary for relevance to yourself.
So if you mean "relevant to me" like in your post above, then please qualify it with that. Otherwise, normal people take the word relevant to mean "relevant to the topic at hand" which is us, the metal community.
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yes kalis u can. this is a forum of opinions. it seems that some here think that we have to say positive things to everything. and if we say anything negative that we are just sh1ttalkers.
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Then Branded, call me Satan's slut when I get a band together
how does satans lil helper sound? i think that sounds better. just because glenn has an upside down cross on his head does not make him a satanist. i have an upside down cross tatted on my arm. i did it to piss my christian relatives off, and did a good job i might add.
A PERSON IN A 3 PIECE SUIT COULD BE THE BIGGEST CHILD SACRIFICING SATANIST OUT THERE TODAY. GLENN IS DOING IT TO GARNER ATTENTION TO HIMSELF, AND HIS ""SATANIC BELIFES"". HE IS JUST LIKE KERRY KING (NO DISRESPECT INTENDED TO MR KING) IN SPOUTING HIS HATRED TOWARDS THE CHRISTIAN FAITH.
there are so many "satanic" bands out there today. deicide is just another one singing of their hatred of god.
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62. writes:
I disagree to agree to disagree ;) I won't take it as submission as clearly you're not submitting. However I will take from it that I'm right as you've not presented any clear points to the contrary. I also disagree that importance and relevance are different terms when discussing bands influence on the music community.
On the other hand, branded is showing once again his lack of maturity and brain cells. On post 58 you say, "...if we say anything negative that we are just sh1ttalkers." - which isn't true at all, you just can't say something negative without talking sh**.
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66. writes:
you are correct, i did talk megash1t on him. he never specified who he was refering to. he sees it like noone is of importance to him, when in fact he is of no importance to the metal community anymore. he even threatened suicide like gg allin did. too bad ol benton didnt follow through!!!!
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whatever mr i think im the best and smartest poster at metalunderground.com deicide is toilet paper these days. once upon the cross was a decent cd, but how many times can a band sing about hating god and seem like they are still singing fresh songs. just like cypress hill, so many dam songs about weed it became a farce of itself. it must be difficult for you to accept that some1 said something bad about deicide. do you need a tissue??
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73. writes:
Well, besides all the reviews on the metal archives, I just googled "the stench of redemption review" and without clicking any links this is some text I found (try yourself if you don't believe me).
"The Stench of Redemption_ isn't merely a good album; it's the most envenomed, blistering effort this ..."
"and now I'm about to describe one of the greatest Death Metal albums of the present days. The Stench Of Redemption ..."
"Yes, its true - the Stench Of Redemption EP is f***ing brilliant. It's been a while since I heard a death metal release that sounded as ..."
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Both, hell just read the reviews on the metal archives. Despite the sparse negatives it's pretty obvious how great it is. I'm a death metal lover and was skeptical as hell about Deicide putting out a good album but, I'll be damned it's f***ing amazing. I might even go so far as to say this album has some of the best metal solos ever.
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o btw cynic, ever heard of toxiktunes? its a damn good online radio station thats plays every form of metal you should check it out. they love hearing new music, so maybe you can send in some tunes they havent heard of yet and get some noname bands some airtime. as for the reviews no need. ill take your word.
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I still have a problem with "music community". When you say "music community" I include country, R&B, rap etc.... I don't think Deicide has any relevance to R&B. "Metal community," if we must talk in broad terms, might be a different. I suppose, the difference between "relevance" and "importance" is what we are really debating then. I would argue that one can be objectively important but one cannot be objectively relevant. Importance implies that a band has contributed something as yet unseen, or unheard of before, and you MUST mention it when you hear it on another album you are reviewing, despite genres. Relevance is when reviewing a band who shows some influence of Deicide, you can mention it, but do not need to. It is relevant but not important. It is subjective because you can choose.
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Fine then, metal community.
You are arbitrarily adding new definitions to words, I challenge you to find any dictionary definition that supports those definitions. Saying, "Deicide is an important band in the metal community" is the same as saying "Deicide as a band is relevant in the metal community", no question about it.
What I have said from the start is that relevance, when pertaining to a band and the music community, has many quantitative aspects and therefore cannot be completely subjective.
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Important:
1. Strongly affecting the course of events or the nature of things; significant.
2. Carrying or possessing weight or consequence; of valuable content or bearing.
3. Entitled to more than ordinary consideration or notice.
Relevance
1. Connected with the matter in hand (notice "connected")
2. Applicability to social issues.
3. Relation to the matter at hand.
4. Sufficiency to infer the conclusion.
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^jesus christ. 40 percent of this thread is branded cynic and Deathineye. And half of that is just arguing semantics lol
I personally have recently found a new love for deicide. Every solo i hear from them sounds fantastic. The lyrics to "f*** your god" are hilarious. I don't mind the whole repetitive message of hating god and everything either, because I can't understand what he's saying anyway, so it's just good metal growling to me :p
Also, I've realized over the past few weeks of listening to them more and thusly becoming more exposed to who the band members are and what they're all about and everything, specifically Benton, that Glen is my kind of a$$hole. He doesnt give a sh** about what other people think about him, but he cant stand blatant stupidity, so he feels compelled to be a d*** to them and tell them how stupid they are. Him burning the cross in his head and becoming a satanist, and writing anti-christian lyrics show this perfectly. He thinks christians are stupid, so he goes to the extreme and becomes an extreme d***head about it. lol
I think I'm going to have to pick this new Deicide cd up then, if it got such good reviews like that. Not to mention, Cynic, you have yet to steer me wrong on metal so far anyway, so I'll take that as a reccomendation...(Trouble is the sh** btw, thanks)
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Glad to hear you like Trouble FAN! For some reason they never made it as big as they should have, it's a true shame. But also of note is that Deicide's latest is not as good as "Stench Of Redemption" - they have Ralph Santolla (Death, Obituary, Iced Earth) on guitar and he is nothing short of mind blowing.
And DeathInEye? Your post seems to be missing the part where you show how either is anyway linked to Deicide's relevancy in the metal community being subjective.
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89. writes:
Yeah...that's Glen alright. Glen hasn't changed a bit. I personally have nothing to say about his personal life/struggles. His words aside from Deicide's lyrics, will not shift my interest in Deicide. There are musicians out there that are 10x worse than him. I'd have to agree that "Stench Of Redemption" is the greatest Death Metal album of the millennium. On a final note, Glen is what he is.
Branded - Satanism was a tool for attention back in the early 80's dude. Not anymore...nowadays we have fukking lame a$$ bands associating themselves with Satanism. It seems like people have adapted to the "We're Satanists" themes in today's music. I don't believe bands are doing it for the attention anymore because it's obviously not working.
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My post 78 does that. You challenged me to support how I described "importance" and "relevance" with actual definitions. I gave you actual definitions. Is that not what you requested of me by saying "You are arbitrarily adding new definitions to words, I challenge you to find any dictionary definition that supports those definitions"?
Do you find it odd that we're debating over a band we both enjoy? I find it amusing.
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I don't see any connection between the definitions you gave in post 78 and the dictionary ones you have given. Post 78 uses examples of reviews instead of definitions anyway.
Are Deicide connected with the metal community? They are a metal band by definition, genres have definable characteristics, therefore it is not subjective whether or not a metal band is connected with the metal community.
Are they related to the matter of hand? Again, matter of hand is metal community, Deicide are a metal band.
Sufficiancy? Quantitative - exactly my point.
So only "Applicability to social issues" seems to hold anything... no time to say more at the moment I'm on a road trip for the weekend - have fun people. The only thing I find odd is there aren't more people like you that prefer to discuss things rationally rather than hurl abuse like a neanderthal!
...argh I really need to run out the door but upon meditation I sense hints that I could be wrong. But post 78 makes no sense, so so far I see a stalemate.
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And even so, the idea that Deicide (being so quantitatively important as they are :P) were not relevant to the metal scene would be a stance so astronomically out of touch that it would warrant an immediate knee to the sensitive regions. Still not out the door yet...
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Branded is a fan of metal (how decent a fan may be debatable). A metal fan is part of the metal community. Deicide is metal. Deicide is part of the metal community. Branded finds Deicide irrelevant (for whatever insane reason).
Cynic is a metal fan. Metal fans are part of the MC. Cynic finds Deicide relevant.
Deicide's relevance to the metal community is subjective. Relevance is subjective.
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98. writes:
First of all, relevance is not subjective. That would be like saying it is subjective that oxygen is relevant to a human being's survival. I'm pretty sure I can't choose whether or not I prefer to use oxygen to survive or not. Nice try on a proof, DeathInEye, but it really doesn't work. What you have done is beg the question; in the literal sense of the term, and not the (incorrect) sense that everyone uses it. Look it up on wikipedia if you are unsure.
Secondly, I'm seeing a lot of posts that suggest MU doesn't suffer from the same plague that Blabbermouth does. Do you really think that is true? You don't have to look far to see that the problem rears its ugly head around these parts as well. Dave Mustaine has also touched on this issue in his recent post. Too bad the people who really need to take what these guys have said to heart will more than likely think that it doesn't apply to them.
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"The Stench of Redemption" was a f***ing fantastic CD, FAN. Like Cynic said, Ralph Santolla did a fantastic job, and Steve Asheim (drummer) was at the top of his game; he's always a fantastic drummer. I only have 4 Deicide CDs, but "The Stench of Redemption" and "Serpents of the Light" were both great, in my opinion. "In Torment In Hell" and "Scars of the Crucifix" were alright, but not as good as the other 2 I mentioned..
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I do not think I beg the question, Coldiem. I give premises and a conclusion based on those premises, not the other way around. However, I may make other fallacies, but I find it interesting that you think I may be able to put forth an infallible argument on a forum. But you can point those out if you wish.
Your oxygen argument begs the question, however. You assume first that relevance is not subjective, then proceed with an argument based on that conclusion. You're also appealing to ridicule, and I might throw oversimplification in there.
I think stalemate is a good idea Cynic. This is getting tedious, academic, and maybe inappropriate for the thread.
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Let's be completly honest with our self, Branded. Is not EVERY band, or music group trying to "sell" an image? I mean think about it. Everyone no matter what has something in which they gravitate to, and are going to pay for whatever music group displays that which they are attracted to.
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kalis, every band in the begining may have an image they use to sell cds. however, some bands realize that image may a bit too much of a joke or cause the trendy posuer sheep to bring that band into the pop mainstream. some bands stop the image thing, and some use it to keep the attention on themselves and let it make the band become a joke. deicide is the latter. not saying that they are trendy mainstream, which they are not at all, but over time i have read and heard numerous articles and peeps talk about deicide only because of glenns forehead. its just an image thing to stir up the christian sh1tpile and sell cds. he may truly feel the way he does, but, he sure got a lot of sheep to try and fit into his image he is selling!!!
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Good call DeathInEye, I've returned from my trip sunburnt and tired so nothing sounds better haha. The best thing to come out of this thread is the recognition that Trouble are indeed awesome.
I don't try to impress anyone branded, I just like metal. I'll take you calling me a "genious" as a complement :P
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kalis the way you spelled scense is wrong...its sense...but how does it lose you? just asking...is it too hard to understand that some band ride the image train till the end, and some decide to get off the train when they see the train is full of fake a$$ sheep who are using the image to try and fit in somewhere that they do not belong??
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I don't want to start any fight, branded, but I don't think Glen Benton is really using an image. He's just singing (I use that term loosely here -- more like growling) about what is meaningful to him. It's obvious that he hates religion and Christianity (he did burn an upside-down cross into his forehead), so that's what his songs are about. It doesn't mean he's fake or a poser, or that Deicide fans are fake or posers. I'm a Deicide fan, and I'm not fake or a poser. I have a lot of arguments about Christianity myself. That alone isn't why I listen to Deicide, though. The music is fast and brutal as f***. Listen to Steve Asheim's drumming and tell me that isn't just f***ing incredible.
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when deicide 1st came out i bought UOTC. i also bought serpents of the light...but over time it just became the same every cd...some bands can have the same sound and sound like its new, but some bands dont (imo)...not every1 agrees with every1 else, so no worries TOG....but like i said ""I"" saw lots of scene sheep buying up deicide just because they thought they would be cool or go against the grain and seem like they r bad a$$ satanist when in fact they are hot topic buying, poser wannabes....not saying you are but i saw plenty of them...
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All this from the man who SWORE to his fans that he was going to kill himself in his early thirties, because he was a hard-core, balls-to-bone Satanist! Only problem was, when the time came, he chickened out. Throw in that ridiculous cross that he burned into his forehead, and it's easy to see that Benton takes all the B-Movie horror shlock of Satanism and turns it into a joke. Remember, this is the same man who's great friends with Cannibal Corpse, ANOTHER set of "me-too" wannabe bad boys. Everything Benton does is transparent and see-through. Real Satanists are in bands like Gorgoroth, not pretender poser-metal like Deicide.
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Eh, I've always found Gorgoroth's satanic qualities a bit outlandish myself. But, if I'm not mistaken, didn't Cannibal Corpse base their music around horror "schlock"? Wasn't that the point? Benton may be ridiculous at times, but his anti-social personality has been mentioned already. Could he not, on some level, be mocking satanic rituals?
Anyway, I wish this thread would die already...which is I'm posting on it....
120. writes:
Cannibal Corpse arent a bunch of "wannabe bad boys". it's called self-parody. they come up with rediculously offensive song-titles to piss of people and keep their metal out of the mainstream. Ironic that they are on of the more popular death metal band sin the world because of this, but that's because alot of metalhead who are looking for that kind of thing gravitate to that band. Deicide is the same thing, but with satanism.
However, I've always found Gorgoroth's level of Satanism to be a bit rediculous and dumb, while Deicide is just plain p***ed off at god and christianity, which is, to me, more to the heart of what most angry metal over the years stems from. Promoting hatred of a stupid idealism rather than selfishly promote their own. Then again, you could say the hatred of one idealism professed through the music could also be it's own idealist agenda. but then we would just be arguing f***in semantics all day. :)
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121. writes:
I agree with you both. Good comments! I agree with the self-parody thing, F-A-N, but if it isn't really you, then why do it in the first place? You know these guys go home and watch Jerry Springer or whatever, play videogames, kiss their wives and children goodnight. As for Benton, it's obvious he's anti-Christian, but that's such a broad term to begin with that it's hard to classify. Atheists are anti-Christian as well. Why doesn't Benton just rant n' rave about that? Instead he uses what is obviously bullsh** Satanism to promote his views, even going so far as to join forces with Vile Remains. If you want to talk Satanism, then be a Satanist. Don't pretend to be. To be honest, I think I'm more annoyed with Benton's obviously overplayed attempt at looking tough and badass all the time. He needs to quit it. I'm all for living your life and not caring what others think of you, but it's quite another thing to be leaped into the same classification as "neanderthal grunt."
122. writes:
^honestly, I don't think a person willing to permanently burn an upside-down cross into their forehead, is pretending anything.
Let's say the band thing didnt work out? Let's see him try to get a job at the cornerstore now. Or get interviewed for college entrance. or anything.
Also, take a second to think of the fact that not only would that action freak other people out, but what about his family? As I recall, his family was christian, and he hated them. I'm sure the song "Fvck Your God" didn't tide over too well with the folks either.
Whatever you say about the man and his personality, I'm fairly certain that he is not faking his beliefs. He could have been just any runofhtemill death metal band and talked out against christianity. Most of them do. He doesnt need to pretend satanism to do that. I'm convinced it's the real deal.
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123. writes:
Well, question FAN, the cross thing...Had he done this before or after the band was relatively successful? I think it matters with your point. He may have only burned the cross in the security of his success. Either way, I do think he is truly a satanist.
Also, "Atheists are anti-Christian as well." Not true Draven. I am an atheist but am not anti-Christian. I am anti belief in a God if you want to generalize me.
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124. writes:
As far as the Glen Benton chickening out on killing himself - Glen's explained that several times, no-one cares though because it's easier to hate him.
"Yeah, yeah...ok, we were doing this interview and we made a mistake of doing it in a bar so before we even started we were all f***in hammered. We were just rambling and talkin sh** and generally being f***in lunatics and this guy was just calmly writing it all down - the premonitions of Isaiah 3 or whatever har har har har! "
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126. writes:
If memory serves me right, I do think Benton had burned the cross in to his head either prior to him having a band, or at it's inception.
"Glen's explained that several times, no-one cares though because it's easier to hate him"
Funny thing is, that happens ALL the time sadly.
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127. writes:
I noticed a lot of people who aren't fans of Deicide claim that Glen Benton is "a fake" or "a poser" or whatnot. If he was such a fake, he wouldn't have stuck to his beliefs all these years; he'd have changed them to go with what's popular at the time like a real poser would do... I've said it several times, but certain people just don't seem to get it: Glen Benton hates God and Christianity. If he didn't, he wouldn't have stuck to it for so long.
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