Dillinger Escape Plan Guitarist: Disturbed Rehearse On-Stage Poses
Band Photo: The Dillinger Escape Plan (?)
Dillinger Escape Plan guitarist Ben Weinman spoke with Australia's Beat magazine about how astonished the band was after seeing Disturbed soundchecking before a show in England. Weinman said that the Chicago rockers were "practicing where they were going to walk and when they were going to put their leg up on the monitor and pose. That was weird for us. There are times where I don't even know where I am."
Regarding that on-stage mayhem, Weinman said, "We've always been a band that has an element of unpredictability. At the same time, there's a lot of people who think our music is just noise. But everything we do has a purpose and has a meaning." Read more.
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43 Comments on "DEP Guitarist: Disturbed Rehearse On-Stage Poses"
Former Contributor
2. writes:
Dillinger are batty but there is method too it...It may seem random but they are making music rather than "noise"...Check out "Degradation of Tapes" by Merzbow for "noise"....Turn it WAY UP....
You might need to play an actual instrument and have a grasp of time signatures to fully appreciate what Dillinger do.
Unlike Disturbed--where there is too much predictability, and poser-riffic wankery, Down with the Sickness yo!...Man...my contempt for this band is only equaled by Limp Bizkit and the 80's hair bands.
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3. writes:
Dillinger is wild. Simply put their music is wild and their stage show is wilder. I'll admit I don't like all their music and they can grow old relativly fast. But I give props to any band that has a sound that is recognizable.
LOL now for disturbed, I was under the impression the pose that disturbed members strike the most is bitting the pillow. That's just what I heard.
4. writes:
Thats interesting that they practice were they are gonna stand while they play it makes some sense but I am more into being unpredictable myself,DEP is a really good band,they have some amazing time signatures and live well from what I have seen on tv and whatnot they are all over the place and I love that.
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5. writes:
I think I would prefer to practic where I am going to stand. I am o.c.d and it would make things go smoother. I see the point of unprodictability too though if its the bassist or guitiar player. They are almost always going in ten different directions at all times. For a singer its usually pretty obviouse where they will be.
6. writes:
Not a fan of either band. I think Dillinger is pretty bad, even though I have to give them props for playing as well as they do. And as for Disturbed....honestly that kinda makes me lose respect for them. Shows should be about fun not rehearsed to the point where you know when you put your foot on a speaker.
Former Contributor
7. writes:
I don't think meaning means anything unless the music is interesting to back it up, Dillenger just sounds random to me and technical metal is my thing. I could fart into a mic with the intent of putting forth the meaning of Milton's Paradise Lost, the meaning doesn't particularly make aural experience any more pleasing. Or maybe they're just not my thing, who knows. "Setting Fire To Sleeping Giants" sounds more like Fallout Boy than Spastic Ink.
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8. writes:
Eh, even as a musician and someone who appreciates bands who work around crazy time signatures and time signature changes (Tool, BTBAM, Opeth, Into Eternity), there's just a lack of semblance in DEP's music to me. You can work around being very technical but also not seem like you're just making noise.
9. writes:
I'm siding with Cynic and Focus Shift on this one. From listening to DEP (yet again, giving them another chance) it doesn't sound like odd timing so much as just randomness trying to sound interesting. To me, it isn't. You guys should go listen to Textures instead ;)
10. writes:
As for the Disturbed bit, there'd be a point where they are going overboard of course, but they could just being trying to coordinate themselves with the lights and pyro. That's just a guess, but why lose respect for them? You don't know what their reasoning is for rehearsing that stuff.
11. writes:
I've been to 40+ concerts since 1996 and DEP is in the top 5. Disturbed doesn't even crack the top 20. I'm not surprised that Disturbed would do something this dumb, as Disturbed already has a sketchy history with me. David Draiman has said some of the stupidest things onstage and I think this is the final nail in the coffin, at least as far as I go. I lost respect for Disturbed a long time ago, but much, much love to Dillinger Escape Plan. Their music makes me move in ways I never thought possible. Pure energetic hysteria.
12. writes:
Frankly, I wish that Disturbed would try and move on from down with the sickness and stupify, because it seems like they are stuck in the wake of those two songs. Believe was a great cd, but 10K fists made me throw up in my mouth.
As for DEP, I play guitar, I respect their ability and their sense of time signatures, but I just can't get in to their music. To me most of their stuff sounds like random noise, but Sleeping Giants, and Unrectofied are songs that I can get in to.
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14. writes:
Coldiem - "You guys should go listen to Textures instead" - great band! Couldn't agree more.
As for The Dillinger Escape Plan, I like 'em. I can understand why you wouldn't, they play pretty insane music, but for me, it works. Not every song, obviously, but most of their stuff is great, some of it is fantastic, and the rest is merely good :)
As for Disturbed, I refuse to speak about them. I can already feel the bile rising...
15. writes:
never really been my thing but i like btabam and a local noisy metal art rock band called lafcadio i just cant get into them (dep) or porcupine tree or pelican or psyopus but i like shiit like the new messugah and i know dep did an album with mike patton and im a huge FNM fan from back in the day sorry i know there everyones thing along with converge but its just never been for me.
16. writes:
I'm seeing dillinger tomorrow night in adelaide (aus). I reckon they're a pretty good band with some pretty interesting music, but the tickets were ridiculously priced... over $70 !! They're playing with some american band Coliseum.. but no other big names.. seems like a rip off but hey, i've heeard too many good things about their live show to miss em
Supporter
18. writes:
So what if Disturbed was practicing posing and sh**. They are practicing and I appreciate that. I like a good show, not just flaying and running around the stage all night. DEP should take a lesson. Whether you or them like it or not, Disturbed has been around since the late 90's, have solid albums and fan base and that speaks for itself.
19. writes:
DEP needs to take a lesson? What the hell do you know about music. Disturbed is metal for WWE fans. Metal for the weightlifter jocks and mid-life crisis stepdads.
The only note DEP needs to take from Disturd is what NOT to do. Disturbed has whored themselves to every fat-walleted sponsor possible, and maybe in the big scheme of things, if your goal is to get rich doing it, then that's how you do it, but some of the purists are actually still in it for the art inherent in the music itself. I respect DEP for sticking to their ethic.
DEP was here before Disturbed, and they'll be here after Disturbed, as well.
Supporter
22. writes:
Okay then, how's this: I refuse to acknowledge Disturbed, or any band like them, for that matter, as superior in ANY WAY to DEP. I don't care if David Draiman's first words were "Ooooak-ka-ka-ka". They may have been together in 1996, but nobody knew who the hell they were until at least 4 years later, when people were actually exposed to them (via RADIO). Tell me the last time you heard DEP on the radio. Boring-ass FM radio. And since you're reading Wikipedia, don't miss the part where some of the guys from DEP were actually playing together in 1992 in a different band called Arcane. But I digress...
DEP has the more hardcore output, seeing as a blind 6 year old can play any Disturbed song. Tell me where in Disturbed's first two albums was there a single moment where they didn't directly bite a big chuck out of Korn's turd of a back catalogue. Including the obligatory mad-at-my-parents "Down With The Sickness / Daddy" or the theme of dominant and perverted sex "Mistress / Trash".
Please don't make me defend DEP against Disturbed. It's a ridiculous fight and if you've ever listened to Under The Running Board, we probably wouldn't be having this absurd discussion right now. If a fxcking fat guy in tight underwear can run out to the ring to one of your songs, then you hardly compare to a band of DEP's caliber. I can understand why it would sound like a mess to certain people. People are quick to judge and since nu-metal almost ruined heavy metal as a whole, and thankfully there are some of us who appreciate the profound nature of DEP's work. And listen to it. Doesn't it sound like work? I mean, I've been playing guitar for quite some time, and Disturbed riffs get tossed around at practice like knock-knock jokes. DEP is held in a higher regard by some due to the technical perfection it takes to even conciously LISTEN to it.
Like I said, don't make me continue this. This has got to be the most ridiculous notion I've ever heard from someone on this page. For fxck's sake, Disturbed DREW Zakk Wylde on their last album cover. How fxcking name-dropper lame is that?
Some bands still have pride and dignity and to see metal reduced to the farce that it is becoming, by bands like Disturbed practicing stage-blocking and their rockin' out poses makes me quite upset, and I'm glad DEP is calling them out publicly on that shxt.
Disturbed is to music what Eminem is to cinema.
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34. writes:
Yeah, hate DEP if you don't like their music, whatever. You're the ones missing out. I just don't understand why it matters that they're from New Jersey. What?!? Who cares? Slipknot's from Iowa, for fxck's sake. Shut your fxcking mouth, and if you're gonna hate something, make your reasoning better than "my hood is better than your hood."
And, I don't need to make another rant on why Disturbed sucks. I think we're all painfully aware of that.
Ill Nino is border jumper crap? You're a fxcking lunatic, and a racist to boot. Brazil's border isn't really anywhere near US's, so maybe you should just relax and go study your geography, you fxcking moron.
And yeah, you're way off base with what you think punk is.
Plus, I just got a fxcking popup ad from this site. That's exciting. Way to go, guys.
35. writes:
DEP is progressive pile of sh1t! I would easily put Mastodon or Kylesa against Dillinger Escape Plan.
Mastodon will school their punk a$$. How many units did IRE WORKS sell? Compare that Mastodon.
Mastodon is just technically brilliant. Mastodon has a better drummer, better guitar riffs, better lyrics, more imagination, better vocalist [100x better - than that sh1thead who fronts DEP], and just sounds like actual music, rather than fukkin' distortion, speed, and noise. At least the vocalist for Mastodon or Kylesa doesn't run around stage like a dumb fukk..and jump off of speakers...wow..that is REAL entertaining....f*** DEP...they don't hold a fukkin' candle to Mastodon or Kylesa.
36. writes:
Great comment post 12...DEP does sound like a bunch of random noise....
Brilliant! At least, fukkin' disturbed has melody and song structure-hey you can actually sing to it too.....what is the fukkin' point of making music that sounds like traffic at 5pm???? I mean, really....
38. writes:
No, I saw them in 2000 with Godsmack and STP. They blew chunks harder than STP. Caught me totally off guard. Then I saw them in 2001, when the crowd started throwing dirt at them. Then I saw them in 2005 when David Draiman said bands with "the" at the start of their names are ruining music. (The Doors, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones). I've seen Disturbed four times since their first album came out and the only bands I ever saw that were worse than them were Linkin Park and Papa Roach.
And Tx, nice attempt to draw me out. Like I said before if you don't like DEP and all your tin ears can process is that they're "traffic at 5pm" then that's your fault and your loss and I feel sorry for you. I can tell you for a fact though that there's not enough pot on Earth to make Blood Mountain worth listening to twice.
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39. writes:
"I can tell you for a fact though that there's not enough pot on Earth to make Blood Mountain worth listening to twice."
Not gunna lie. That Band is given so much praise but I just can't follow it ritualistically like I do other bands.
However, back on topic. I do respect DEP for there technicality, however, there music hasn't really grown on me. Same story with bands like Nile. I have a great deal of respect for they're lyrical content and heart pounding speed mixed with their technical ability, but I don't necessarily make a habit of listening to them.
I will never like Disturbed or anything they support just because of how they write, why they write, and who they write music for. Not for the fans, not for the love, but for themselves, and nothing more.
41. writes:
Txmetalhead says
"How many units did IRE WORKS sell? Compare that (to) Mastodon"
Since when has record sales ever mattered? Hannah Montana sells more records than Mastodon I guess that makes her a better artist? Record sales mean nothing when it comes to talent, it just means they have an easier product to sell, between these two bands, Mastodon just has an easier product to sell. Don't get me wrong I love Mastodon, I thought Leviathan was a brilliant album and I love the concepts behind there albums. Unfortunatley I have not seen Mastodon live so I really can't comment on their live show but as for DEP their live show match their music perfectly. I like to see bands move around the stage, there is nothing exciting about watching a band stand there like they are glued to the floor. I think DEP puts on a brilliant performance, and I personally love there music. I think its hard to compare DEP and Mastodon, they're two different type of metal.
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42. writes:
^^ omg there's MORE of us out there!
Comparing a band's style to their record sales is like comparing...two other stupid things.
Mastodon is a cool band, and all that, and I really tried to get into them after Leviathan, but comparing them to DEP in any way is pretty unfair. Especially since I've seen Mastodon in quite a few issues of Rolling Stone. I bet that gives a little boost to sales, wouldn't it? DEP actually MOVES me when I listen to them. I have never felt a band's music so powerfully. Their slow tracks give me chills. And I've lived with a few anger issues, so I feel I relate. You don't understand it, but it makes perfect sense to me. Always has. Especially over something as factory-produced and aurally dishonest as a Disturbed record. Disturbed records are like Linkin Park records. Pro-tools, pro-tools, pro-tools. And THAT kind of dishonesty is what is destroying the integrity. To willfully bow to a label like that to the point where you have arena moves that you need to practice. And for Draiman to say "This is how the big boys do the stadium shows." ???? He might as well have said "This is how the filthy WHORES prove to KING LABEL that we'll take anything for the sake of our craft, as long as it translates to financial compensation."
I'm serious. I'm done fighting about this. There is NO WAY AT ALL that DEP is in any way inferior to Disturbed or any band like them. Get over it. Go to the gym and work it out of your system.
I'd love to see Disturbed's bus upside down in a f***ing quarry ANY TIME NOW. I don't even understand how this can be an argument on an underground site.
43. writes:
Jamez writes:
The Disturbed bit comes as no suprise. They seem more like a money machine to than a band to me. Who knows, maybe these are actually "suggestions" from the management. Another thing which would not suprise me
From the DAT tape back-up rumors, I'm wondering if, not only are they a "money machine", but a MONKEE MACHINE as well....
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1. FocusShift writes:
Wait. You mean they're not just noise? Could have fooled me.