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God Forbid Guitarist Slams Metalcore

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Over the coming months GOD FORBID guitarist Dallas Coyle will be writing a weekly column, The Hard R, for MetalSucks. Dallas has a lot to say about politics, life, music and an assortment of other topics, and lucky for you, you'll get to read all about them at MetalSucks. For the first installment, Dallas shares his feelings on the meaning of the word "metalcore" and the misuse and overuse of that term. An excerpt from the blog follows:

"When I go to the supermarket I like to buy Nathan’s or Sabrett hot dogs. Not the supermarket’s brand of hot dogs. I would like to hope that I have enough money to buy the higher quality product. Hence metal to metal-core. Metal-core to me is the poor mans choice for heavy, aggressive music.

Let’s bring up the ‘breakdown’. Most like to say metalcore is metal and hardcore put together but it’s more about the ‘breakdown’ that gets real metal, like God Forbid, labeled with this bullshit term. If that’s the case, let’s go back in time to SEPULTURA’s Chaos AD which has breakdowns galore. Is that then the first metal-core record? Everyone says of course not. I say ‘fuck you’ ’cause if we’re metalcore then Sepultura’s Chaos AD is too. For the record, Chaos AD is metal as fuck.

One of the ideologies that I live by is: Everything relates to everything. Metaphors are infinite. The metal to metal-core debate relates to everything in art; torture porn horror versus horror, cheap tricks versus real strategy, etc. Where’s the beef?

Obviously metal-core has none. I don’t fault the supporters who describe us as metal-core but I do fault their support of ‘journalists’ to try and reinvent the wheel that wasn’t broken in the first place. God Forbid isn’t doing anything but trying to make good metal for true metal heads. We’re not reinventing the wheel and we’re not responsible for that dump in the pants genre called metal-core. Can we please move on from re-labeling music that already has a label?"

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1. billygoat213 writes:

If Dallas is writing for MetalSux.com, I'm really surprised to see he's not sucking metal-core d*** like the rest of their douche bag writers.

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 8:22 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. SlugEmperor writes:

I dont hate the -core- tittle it just always comes with something sour with it so it's not really a good tittle, its becoming to be like emo and the other stupid label tittles like nu-metal, so i can understand how that could piss someone off. But personally i dont mind calling bands that, although i dont think god forbid really fits completely and i wouldnt really call them that.

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 9:40 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. HempenHalter writes:

I like the hot dog metaphor, Nathan's are so good haha

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 12:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. mad man writes:

Who cares if people labeled them as a metalcore band, they fu****g rule!!

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 2:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. dmasa writes:

yea this band is good i wouldnt consider them metal-core and hes completely right about wut he said metal-core is cheap sh** and not for true metalheads

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 2:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. FocusShift writes:

The point he made about breakdowns is completely true too. Hardcore is classified by its simple riff style and straight up aggression in sacrifice of the melody most metal incorporates not by it's usage of breakdowns. Death Metal and Grind have been using them for quite a while now.

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 3:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. O-Matron writes:

Its interesting that he brings up Chaos AD, because the first time I heard that POS album, every sepultura fan I know said the same thing..."what happened, why did they go all hardcore"

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 3:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. !Nailgun! writes:

That's funny Dallas, when metalcore starts fading out, you and Howard Jones start passing the buck? That's ok, we'll start hearing the same thing from other metalcore bands saying how un-metalcore they are and always were.

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 4:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. Cynic writes:

Phhp! Let's not beat around the bush he's just trying to avoid the backlash against mediocre metalcore. There are alot more 'modern metal' elements that make God Forbid more metalcore than metal to me. Metalcore has become more than a term to describe the coalescence of metal and hardcore, just like death metal wasn't always about death.

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# Feb 28, 2008 @ 7:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. Public Execution writes:

Breakdowns aren't as big as metalcore as they are in deathcore. Metalcore to me just sounds like a complete bastardization of "Slaguther of the Soul". Also, I don't think Dallas can really bash metalcore, since his band has been properly labeled as a metalcore band. And just because you have the term metalcore doesn't make you a bad band. You might not be the most metal around, but there are definatly metalcore bands who have and some who are still are putting out good music.

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 7:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Agnostic Priest writes:

I've never really thought these guys to be metalcore, and even if they are, so the f*** what, God Forbid makes some pretty kick-ass music if you ask me. So if they are metalcore than they're one of the few good ones.

except that God Forbid aren't metalcore though

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 8:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. Westfallen writes:

This is a little off the subject...but maybe if some "metalcore" bands wouldn't try to be so epic maybe they'd be better. Come on; "IV: The Constitution of Treason?" Leave this stuff to prog! If they just made fun of themselves or their music, the music would be looser and create a better vibe. Maybe a little unfounded (I haven't heard much GF), but that's my view.

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# Feb 28, 2008 @ 9:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. Dark_Funeral writes:

i like god forbid a life once lost and chimaira, thats about as close to metalcore as i can get.

kelly clarkson is METALLLLLLL

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 10:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. Dark_Funeral writes:

and i'd like to add that i hate hardcore

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 10:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Terminator writes:

i agree with cynic. godforbid is metalcore. by no means the worst, but definately metalcore.

# Feb 28, 2008 @ 11:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. RememberMetal? writes:

I'm with the room on this one.

Godforbid is metalcore but quality regardless.

Same can be said, as far as I'm concerned for Converge, The Dillinger Escape Plan (math-core) and Shadows Fall (people fight this one so hard but it's in their formula too.)

# Feb 29, 2008 @ 12:07 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Agnostic Priest writes:

I have a hard time calling Shadows Fall metalcore as well, it just doesn't seem right.

# Feb 29, 2008 @ 12:15 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. MOMENT OF TRUTH writes:

Metal-core is cheap SH!T a$$ music, for the try hard fans who consider they are metal.
Fans of metal-core are BABOONS, APES, CAMELS, and they are the DRONES of the scene. Fuking metal-core sheep BAA BAA
It's such a shame that a band like GOD FORBID have been labeled Metal-core.
Follow the trend ya fukin sheep!

# Feb 29, 2008 @ 1:45 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. Saint Blasphemy writes:

F*ck all of this core- this and core- that garbage. Whatever happened to just metal d@mnit!? Sure, a lot of these so-called "metalcore" bands suck nuts and aren't worth the 10 cent CD they are printed on, but why not just leave it at them being horrible. Maybe I'm just a little too old school in some respects, but come on folks. There are way too many of these rediculous sub-genres popping up nowadays. Great is great. Good is good, and this short hair, ninja pits in girl pants is just plain bad.

# Feb 29, 2008 @ 3:44 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. Terminator writes:

i only recognize 8 subgenres of metal
black, death, doom, groove, heavy/trad., power, progressive, thrash

the rest are just subgenres of subgenres or fusions between subgenres.

notice i dont include anything with -core attached like a parasite on the end. simply because core isnt metal. and niether is hair "metal", grunge "metal" or nu-"metal". these genres have been mislabelled as they are, in fact, different styles of music.

and why do all who bash "genre forming" care about it so damn much? genres EXIST because with them, we can argue endlessly to keep our favorite genres/subgenres pure from garbage.

# Feb 29, 2008 @ 4:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. Saint Blasphemy writes:

I can definately understand the 8 subgenres mentioned by Terminator above. I definately feel that its neccesary for these 8 to exist given the drastic differences between them. I just think that anything beyond that is overkill and borderline retarded considering some of the titles that are used.

# Feb 29, 2008 @ 6:50 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. FocusShift writes:

I would agree with the last two posts. Everything else is just a sub-genre or fusion of the above. -core signifies a band who waters down one of the above genres with simplistic riffs and usually bad vocals.

Lately God Forbid has been crafting a decent melodic death sound and one can assume that mixed with the breakdowns they play is why they so quickly get labeled metalcore.

# Feb 29, 2008 @ 11:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. FocusShift writes:

(Sorry for the double post, I forgot this one my last one)

Where would you throw folk/viking/pagan metal at on your chart Terminator?

# Feb 29, 2008 @ 11:28 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address

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