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MACHINE HEAD's official web site has been updated with the following message:

"MACHINE HEAD's 'Best Album' win at last Thursday's Kerrang! Awards over pop-rock powerhouses MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE and FALL OUT BOY has apparently cut deep with fans of both bands, prompting a flood of angry whining and sad-faced emoticons on the Kerrang! message boards. MACHINE HEAD's upset victory over the multi-platinum softcore acts sent their inherently sensitive fans into an emotional frenzy, building into a tizzy of unparalleled proportions. Wrought with dismay, polished fingernails the world over lashed out at the band and metal as a whole with diatribes the likes of 'MCR really should have won!!! I'm mad now!!!!' 'What a load of shit, who the fuck listens to them?' and "Stupid MACHINE HEAD!!' at times stooping so low as to say the competition was fixed, and often gravely endangering the integrity of their carefully sideswept hair with posts like 'I H8 METAL, I H8 METAL, I H8 METAL, I H8 METAL, I H8 METAL, I H8 METAL, I H8 METAL.'

"Not surprisingly, MACHINE HEAD fans responded en masse to the tirades, lashing back in defense of the band and the undisputed quality of the album, citing critical praise, technicality, songwriting and fan response to 2007's 'The Blackening', as well as the band's influence on and history within their genre, with the occasional 'MACHINE HEAD piss all over anything MCR have ever done" thrown in for good measure.

"To much less Internet-based commotion, the band also took home the 'Hard Rock Hero' award, netting them two Kerrang! awards for the first time since 'Burn My Eyes' where they received 'Best International Band' and 'Best Video' for 'Davidian'."

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1. Ben Dover writes:

Emo fans deserve to die. However, Machine Head SUCKS ASS. Overrated band and The Blackening is a mediocre mallcore album. Most overrated album in history. I can think of many metal albums that deserve the "Best Album" award but Kerrang! only talks about mainstream gaycore bands like Killswitch Engage. So f*** em.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 2:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. FocusShift writes:

Agreed. I do think the new MH has have some over hype. The Absence's new disk destroys the Blackening but I'm sure not nearly as many will hear it.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 2:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. Bizzz writes:

Haha i dont really like MH but damn that was funny

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 2:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. deathbringer writes:

Machine Head are mallcore? You sound like a p***ed emo fan in disguise, who doesn't know anything about metal. I will agree that the latest album was overhyped. I enjoyed it, but not nearly as much as TTAOE.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 2:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. coldiem writes:

I was thinking the same thing db. Over-hyped or not though, I think the album was still worthy of a decent amount of hype. It is a great album, one of the better metal releases so far this year.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 3:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Necropolis writes:

I was very happy with The Blackening. I thought the album was far better than anything that had come out in metal for some time. I agree with FocusShift that The Absence's "Riders of the Plague" is an absolute killer album.

I'm just glad that MH stepped up their game on the new album. They deserve some credit for that. Who cares if they won the award, look at the frickin' competition.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 3:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. RememberMetal? writes:

MACHINE HEAD's upset victory over the multi-platinum softcore acts sent their inherently sensitive fans into an emotional frenzy. Wrought with dismay, polished fingernails the world over lashed out at the band and metal.

Well written, I laughed.

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# Aug 29, 2007 @ 3:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Jomama writes:

I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself!!! Congrats to Machine Head!

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 3:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. coldiem writes:

"I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself!!!"

Haha! Good one, Jomama.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 3:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. Jomama writes:

thanks coldiem, --I saw it on a t-shirt and thought it was brilliant.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 4:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Andrew writes:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, those emo fruits deserve it!!!! MH's new album is overated, but still solid. And they have been a major influence on metal for years now, and deserve some credibility in my opinion. Why is MCR even on this website? THEYRE NOT METAL!!!!!!!

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 4:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. Public Execution writes:

Kerrang is a complete joke, but at leat they got this one right. Machine Head's album is definatly better than MCR of FOB. However, my vote would have gone to either the new Devildriver or new Absence.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 4:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. iEATbabies writes:

I agree completely with Public Execution, I loved The Blackening but Devildriver had my vote. I also liked United Abominations and Fire Up the Blades by 3 Inches Of Blood as runners up

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 5:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. ZT writes:

fa**ot a$$ emo kids....

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 5:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Diamond Oz writes:

Kerrang! only gave Machine Head anything to make themselves look like they actually care about metal. It was a good magazine about 20 years ago but today, it's nothing. You wouldn't wipe your arse with a copy of Kerrang!

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 5:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. coldiem writes:

Yeah Oz, that glossy paper can give you one hell of a nasty paper cut.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 5:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Stephen writes:

Congrats to Machine Head. Not my favorite band, but when compared to their competition here, I'm glad as hell that they won.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 5:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. Super Jamie writes:

Hahaha, sucked in emo losers, metal wins again!

(//_-) go kill yourselves

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 6:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. Jackrum writes:

Agreed Diamond.. Kerrwank!!! magazine should just stick to pandering to 15yr old emos. shouldnt they do a hairgel tips section instead of album reviews?
This is also a magazine that demanded over £100 from my mates band if they wanted better than a 2k review. As you can guess the band told the mag where to shove its demands.

nice one Machine Head, the first two albums still get regularly blasted out at full volume.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 6:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. ...Just Another Number... writes:

Kerrang is all about mainstream and I don't care much for their idea of "Best this and that" but this was hilarious... And I use to be into MH back in the day, still way better than the other 2 mentioned, although I thought LoG's Sacrament was on the list for best album? Like it matters, Kerrang loves mainstream.
"at times stooping so low as to say the competition was fixed, and often gravely endangering the integrity of their carefully sideswept hair "
That had me laughing for like 10 minutes, I always wondered what closet homosexual came up with the idea of the Emo "style" and why kids and internet pedophiles still follow the trend. Oh yeah and "flood of angry whining and sad-faced emoticons" was pretty funny. Probably got some suicide threats in there too hahaha Kids these days get my sides hurting man.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 6:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. ArchNemesis28 writes:

machine fu*king head, machine fu*king head, machine fu*king head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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# Aug 29, 2007 @ 6:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. Diamond Oz writes:

Seriously Jackrum? That's just plain corrupt! £100 for what would probably be an extra K, if that. I hate Kerrang more than traffic jams and spinach combined!

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 6:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. SlayerDoom writes:

I don't even have the new Machine Head album. But ANYTHING Machine Head puts out would be take a huge sh** all over MCR and their whiny p***y music.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 7:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. Ben Dover writes:

"deathbringer writes:
Machine Head are mallcore? You sound like a p***ed emo fan in disguise, who doesn't know anything about metal. I will agree that the latest album was overhyped. I enjoyed it, but not nearly as much as TTAOE."

Machine Head are whiny f***ing mallcore and f*** no i'm not an emo fan. Machine Head are overhyped. The album of the year is clearly Icons of Evil by Vital Remains which Kerrang! left out because they have no clue about REAL METAL anymore. Machine Head are pretty much following the whole p***y Lamb of God/Chimaira/All That Remains/Trivium half-In Flames/half-Fall Out Boy mallcore trend. The Blackened is nothing new and it ISN'T great. It's mediocre, whiny, and throws the occasional jumpdaf***up riffs and teen angst/wanna-be tough guy lyrics. Icons of Evil has 10 minute songs with shredding guitar solos, demonic vocals, perfect riffs, great musicanship, etc. Icons of Evil is epic. A modern day classic.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 7:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. Ben Dover writes:

"they have no clue about REAL METAL anymore."

Wait no, they NEVER had a clue what real metal is.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 7:22 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. old skool thrash writes:

damn dude, that was 1 f***ing rib cracking post, couldnt stop laughing lol!!!.. MCR can eat my sh**.. machine head well.. nothing special.. boring stuff really. maybe their first album was ok. nothing amazing.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 7:22 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. blakscorpion21 writes:

Lamb of god and Chimaira sound nothing like either in flames or fall out boy. What a moron. Get a life. Granted All that remains gets alot of influence from In flames, they are still a great band. Much better than Vital Remains, (incoherent growls......double bass......more double base........growl.)

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 8:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. rk writes:

now cmon scorpion i havent called you out since the old ultimatemetal.com days you cant say some chugga, chugga, breakdown central hot topic metalcore band is better than a band thats been around since 89 and has fukk idk 5 to 6 worldwide tours under there belts you cant be fukkin serious. Try again bud.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 8:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. rk writes:

btw icons of evil and new ones from behemoth and nile are clearly some of the best metal cds in i would say in about 5 years. No joke.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 8:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. Ben Dover writes:

Black Scorpion, YOU ARE THAT IDIOT! I was simply pointing out that Lamb of God and Chimaira are trendy as f***. and Vital Remains is ALOT more than that, you f***ing moron! Vital Remains is REAL METAL unlike your f***ing emo/fake "metal" hybrids like Killswitch Engage! Vital Remains is what a metal band SHOULD sound like. If you think that All that Remains is better then Vital Remains, then that says that you pefer generic, emo/metalcore gayness OVER incredible guitar playing, A+ musicanship, and quality. Which means that YOU are a poser. Go listen to your Underoath records, fa**ot. For the record, I do have a life, dumbass. Stop quit your f***ing cliche "ZOMG u GawT n0 life" comments and f***ing die. You are f***ing disgrace to the human race.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. Ben Dover writes:

*THE

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. Cynic writes:

Wait just a sec... Machine Head fans aren't emo?? I really can't stand crappy metalcore/modern/whatever sort of music they play. The Blackening was overrated.

Secondly, so was that Vital Remains album. In fact, it was pretty much as bad - boring, repetitive - Pretty much the problem with the whole death metal scene since 93. I don't see how anyone can praise it so, especially compared to Nile's Ithyphallic. Which was pretty damn good, although since it was so similar to Annihilation maybe doesn't deserve album of the year. My pick will be Blotted Science's album "Machinations Of Dementia".

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# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. rk writes:

ugh no and no offense a lot better than a hillbilly powermetal band that has rob halfords ex boyfriend as their vocalist.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. Ben Dover writes:

f*** you! that Vital Remains is the best album of the 2000's! Boring and reptitive, my ass! The problem with death metal is wigger br00t4l slam death metal bands like Devourment and Lividity. Vital Remains is keeping death metal alive! most death metal went down the sh**ter in 95, idiot. Not 93, that was the PEAK.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. Cynic writes:

Hey I'd take good powermetal over generic death metal any day. Now if Stench of Rememption had been an 07 release that would have been head and shoulders the winner.

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# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. rk writes:

wrong icons of evil was hardly generic and iced earth is just basically a megadeth/metallica clone with a high pitched vocalist. Clearly you havent listen to that cd or dechristianize. Im not trying to bag. Cause your more of a sensible poster than most on here.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. Ben Dover writes:

Icons of Evil is brilliant. That is in NO WAY generic. and I'm going to have to agree with Kmadd, Icons of Evil is GENUIS! Iced Earth, THAT is generic. They are a bunch of Judas Priest wanna-be's.

ICONS OF EVIL>;STENCH OF REDEMPTION

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. xxxbodomofmynutsxxx writes:

dude this whole emo sh** is getting so overhyped and over used, what music doesnt have emotion in it, i mean isnt Fall out Boy, and Mcr more on the Pop Punk genre. You know its f***ing stupid how allot of people in Metal hate everything and everyone, im mean GROW THE f*** UP, and stop making fun of these dumb f***ing kids, i mean theyhave their own problems ie; such as cutting them selves, coming from white upper class familys and hating it, and getting their hearts broken. LEAVE THE EMO"S ALONE. lol

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. Ben Dover writes:

Icons of Evil slays The Stench of Redemption.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. Cynic writes:

No I haven't heard Dechristianize (of which I've heard good things about) I just thought it was (borrowed of a mate). Peak in 93? Yeah actually I'd agree with that, there's just so few albums released after that (by Nile, Cryptopsy, Martyr, Necrophagist etc) I usually call it the end (seeing how most of my fav albums were released that year).

Iced Earth? I thought "Burnt Offerings" was pretty good, but I don't have any other tracks apart from "Declaration Day" from a metal hammer sampler cd. And I think that song's pretty good.

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# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. Cynic writes:

* I just I just thought it was (borrowed of a mate) classic generic death metal. At Encyclopaedia Metallum Dechristianize has an average rating of 84 after 11 reviews (pretty high) while IoE has only 63 after 10.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. holyshit writes:

f uck those emo b*tches, Machine Head f uckin rules.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. CKY--()AILD writes:

very amusing article! very funny!

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. Public Execution writes:

I would consider Machine Head closer to a thrash style than any mallcore/metalcore. I think a lot of people if they do not like the music label it as metalcore so they can justify a reason for hating it. Also: Ithyphalic>;Icons of Evil. Icons of Evil isn't bad, just runs repetitive. I think Dechristianize is their best album.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. Vicarious_Intent writes:

Oh man, I love ya Machine Head! Way to show those stupid pop bands! Defiantly a huge win for metal. Ahaha, this article made my day.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 10:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. Harvester of Sorrow writes:

"MACHINE HEAD's 'Best Album' win at last Thursday's Kerrang! Awards over pop-rock powerhouses MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE and FALL OUT BOY has apparently cut deep with fans"...that last bit about cut deep with fans is a bit ironic

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 10:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. Bri@n-Peppers writes:

The Emos are f***ing gay. Those fags are ruining metal and are ruining America. Plain and simple. This website will cheer them up!! www.lemonparty.org

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 11:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. RJ writes:

^^^^ I agree. Let's see Machine Head in a fight against Fag out boys

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 11:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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49. Oldboy writes:

I f***ing Hate emo. But i also dislike Machine Head. So F*** Them both.

# Aug 29, 2007 @ 11:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. Diamond Oz writes:

BRIAN NO!!! (dada da nana)

Anyway, have any of you guys heard Killing Peace by Onslaught? That was WAY better than The Blackening and probably gets my vote for album of the year.

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 5:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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51. the antihippy writes:

machine head bores me.

MCR aren't emo, they're pop punk. please don't use MTV as a guide to genres. you guys wouldn't know screamo/emo if it hit you in the head.

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 6:09 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. rk writes:

you mean shiit like faghazi and sunny gay real estate? im well aware of what emo is and when it started.

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 8:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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53. master_of_puppets17 writes:

post 18 couldnt have said it better. machine head is the f***in sh** and the blackening is an amazing album. all you winy lil emos go die. MCR can blow me

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 8:06 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. brandedcfh420 writes:

any MH song is better than any "im a closet fag and i cut myself to look cool for my closet fag friends" emo song...i dont like or listen to MH but emo needs to die and all the whiny a$$ closet homo cutters with it...then there would be less ignorant a$$es in this world....

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 8:57 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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55. the antihippy writes:

rk, i don't mean fuGAzi and sunny DAY real estate. fugazi is post-hardcore and sunny day is just indie. by emo i mean circle takes the square, off minor, city of caterpillar, pg 99, sed non satiata, daitro, rites of spring, indian summer, raein, potrait, orchid and other bands like them. get your sh** straight.

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 9:07 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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56. Bri@n-Peppers writes:

I would love to see George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher vs. Gerald Way. I hope to see that badass mofo beating the sh** out of that prissy c***sucker beyond reckonition. It would be a bliss!

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 11:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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57. GraveDigger writes:

I guess this is a win for metal, although the ones who won are sh!tty themselves oh well.

Now Playing: Atrophy - Product of the Past

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 11:28 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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58. Mits777 writes:

Hell yeah Im glad Machine Head won over the poser emo bands. The Blackening is an awesome album. Check out all their videos plus several lives ones here: www.metalheadvideos.blogspot.com

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 1:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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59. CrawfordTexasJingoJango writes:

Yeah, let MH have their award. Because, quite honestly, MCR & FOB have each made killer albums their entire careers. The new MH disc is the only MH disc worth hearing. Let MH have their fun. They've earned it. Especially if you think about how MCR and FOB are going to continue to make consistent and infinitely listenable albums WAY after MH's 15 mins of fame is up. MH has always been wack, and the Blackening is their ONLY release that should be listened to.

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 2:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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60. metal2death writes:

thats probably the funniest article ive seen on this website(other than the april fools sh**). but this album was definatly tooo overrated. and message to all emo fags "flash of iron, leather, spikes, and swords; mighty warriors with metal on their side; ENEMIES OF METAL, YOUR DEATH IS OUR REWARD triumphant victory when you bring the steel to life" deadly sinners=3 inches of blood

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 2:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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61. blakscorpion21 writes:

Actually ben dover, you were not pointing out that they are trendy, you specifically said that they sounded like inflames and fall out boy when clearly they sound nothing like either of them. And yea, theyre so trendy cause thats what all the kids are listening to these days. Theyre so mtv. Whatever. Not to mention i never said anything about liking Killswitch Engage, and i sure as hell dont like Underoath. You dont even know what i listen to. Vital remains guitar playing is decent, the riffs are generic with a few cool exceptions and the solos are pretty cool. But i heard nothing from them that is of any greater musicianship than a band like all that remains.

And rk, you know i just like to get a rise out of you guys. haha.

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 2:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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62. deathbringer writes:

"I think a lot of people if they do not like the music label it as metalcore so they can justify a reason for hating it."

Exactly. That and "emo". I wasn't really thrilled with the headline either - other than it's attention grabbing - as neither of those bands are really emo. And Machine Head is nothing related to metalcore. If you had called them nu-metal 6 or 7 years ago, it might have had a little validity since they went the down-tuned, groove direction for a release and a half. Before and after those releases, I'd call them nothing other than metal or thrash. I'm a MH fan, but not defending them as much arguing against the gross misuse of labels once again.

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 3:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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63. Public Execution writes:

Deathbringer is right. People hate the mtv stereotypes of a certain genre, instead of expandnd their actual knowledge of the genre. MCR is to real emo bands (i.e. rites of spring) as Avenged Sevenfold is to Metal. They are not necessarily bad bands, but they have been mislabeled, so the fans of the real genre tend to hate them. And ignorant fans wrongly associate MCR and A7X as emo or metal. People need to educate themselves about music before they make stupid comments and mislabel bands and at the same time piss of a lot of people/

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 4:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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64. rk writes:

shiit antihippy you sound a lot like V V V V V on another forum those aforementioned bands are nothing special anyways.

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 8:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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65. Cynic writes:

But at the same time this is a metal forum, and hence alot of us really don't care what nu-metal/metalcore/emo/screamo is, everthing just gets chucked in the non metal bucket, often with a derogatory slur towards some other genre. You can't really blame us for being ignorant of genres we don't care about.

As i see it, Machine Head are not thrash, end of story. Boot up your media player and load in the aforementioned Atrophy, Overkill, Kreator, Slayer, Sepultura, Exodus oh and hell why not, Vio-lence - then play any MH album. Same genre? No. Pick something else.

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# Aug 30, 2007 @ 8:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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66. Diamond Oz writes:

I agree with you 100% Cynic!

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 8:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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67. Red_Chord writes:

Overhyped the new machine head album ? I think not !! I think this album is brilliant ! But it's alright if you disagree, for once I don't want to start a war but in my book, it's f***ing brilliant. But I'll make sure to check out the absence album...thanks for the tip.

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 9:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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68. Public Execution writes:

Cynic, fair enough for not caring about genre's you are not interested in. Its just normally when you throw in the negative or derogatory comments toward a genre, people get p***ed off. I also agree Machine Head isn't exactly thrash metal. They have more in common with Chimaira, Lamb of God etc. than Kreator, Testamant, or Exodus.

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 9:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. blakscorpion21 writes:

You shouldnt talk negativley about topics you are ignorant of.

# Aug 30, 2007 @ 10:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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70. Acid Rain writes:

ah my target this time will be CrawfordTexasJingoJango as he has set himself up for a good laughing at.
#1)"MCR & FOB have each made killer albums their entire careers" *shakes head* Yeah when it comes to the corporate media and having backing from MTV. "Killer" albums I think not, maybe "Kill-me" albums. Meaning please kill me as I go into a coma from an overdose on heartagrams, girly lookin boy band musicians, and repetitive lyrics and chords.
#2)"MCR and FOB are going to continue to make consistent and infinitely listenable albums WAY after MH's 15 mins of fame is up" I think it would be the other way around in my opinion. If anything Fall out boy and My chemical Romance are having 15 minutes of fame while Machine Head has been putting out music since the early 90's. Consistent albums? The only consistency is the repetitive bull in all songs as well as the consistent look of dressing like metrosexuals and singing about parades and having music videos with humanoid looking deer people. "Infinitely listenable" ah well listenable isn't a word to begin with so taking that comment seriously isn't even worth the effort.
#3) "MH has always been wack, and the Blackening is their ONLY release that should be listened to." *shakes head again* Again taking you seriously is worth too much effort. Sorry that none of the other Machine Head albums don't have the consistency of the Fall Out Boy or My Chemical Romance albums that you seem to favor so much

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71. the antihippy writes:

rk, i use the same name for all the forums i go to. what other forums do you go to btw?

and cynic, add dark angel to your list.

# Aug 31, 2007 @ 2:46 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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72. rk writes:

i do go ultimatemetal.com anymore but theres a dude named VVVVV on there thats into old emo. The only other forums i go to bsides this one is www.indymetal.com (as evil69) and www.legionsoftheabyss.com im usually to busy with my job at camp atterbury to do anything else. IDK i lost interest in machine head after the more things change to me all their stuff sounds the same past that and i have yet to hear the new cd.

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73. rk writes:

i dont go...

# Aug 31, 2007 @ 6:39 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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74. deathbringer writes:

I can pick various bands of death metal or black metal and compare them to others that are a different angle on the same genre or from different time periods and say "does A sound like B, C and D - no, then they are not genreX". It's not productive or correct. Death and Black metal are actually very diverse, despite what purists might think or give those respective labels. Thrash doesn't have to be so narrowly defined. Machine Head certainly lacks the extreme element of the aforementioned bands, but that is not a requirement of Thrash metal.

There's also quite a difference in old Slayer vs new (despite people who think all their songs sound the same). Same for Sepultura. Old Sepultura was more death than thrash and Roots-era more groove than thrash. And if Lamb of God aren't some sort of Thrash, I don't know what they are, because they sure are not metalcore.

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75. Cynic writes:

If you're using a one word term "thrash" to describe a band, hell yes I do think it should be narrowly defined. And no I wouldn't call anything after Arise thrash either.

Lamb Of God? Again line them up against the aforementioned thrash bands - Ever hear any swedish At The Gates riffing in Exodus' Bonded by Blood? Any metalcore breakdowns? So why use the same one word term for them? To me it's just false advertising from an already respected genre.

I mean, we could say Mercyful Fate and Taake are both black metal and they sound nothing alike. Hence why we use the terms first and second wave of black metal. Possessed may sound nothing like Suffocation and hence we say death/thrash or early death metal and brutal death metal. In the end genre's are used to describe music and I think describing Machine Head as just thrash metal is just plain wrong. Same goes for Lamb of God. Groove metal, modern metal, metalcore - take your pick. Whatever is the best way to get across to people what sort of music a band plays.

Oh and funnily enough, here's a quote from Rob Flynn: "MACHINE HEAD was never thrash, period."

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76. Red_Chord writes:

I checked out the absence and yeah, it's an amazing album...thanks for the tip guys...

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77. Metallian writes:

There shouldnt be hate on Machine Head. there a respectable Metalcore, Groove metal group. They choose this genre. They dont state to be anything else like others bands who are nu and think there "Metal".

The Emo thing is really f***ing funny, and the words used in this article are f***ing awesome. This is almost print and laminate kinda thing. but no.

This is a sign that Emo's are expiring! I give them 3 years or less. What happened to Goth?

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78. Lmao writes:

I honestly don't like Machine Head, But Jesus Christ! This should be put in THE BIBLE!

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79. thor_hath_risen writes:

how do you people find something to argue about when the post is something as universally agreeable as machine head is better than mcr and fob?

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80. deidolon writes:

lol. wow.

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81. SICKMINDED666 writes:

the only thing i heard from machine head was "the blackening" album. and it was f***in amazing.

i listen to alot of thrash metal, SLAYER mostly. I wouldnt call machine head thrash.....

but i really dont care....they still kick a$$ to me.

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82. deathbringer writes:

With all due respect, Cynic, you have a major double standard on your hands. You're such a purist when it comes to the more extreme genres that you like, but you clearly see "metalcore" as a junk label and heap a wider variety of music in there than death, black and thrash contain combined. If you're breaking down genres such as black metal into different sub categories, it suffices to say that they are still black metal even though you call them "first and second wave of black metal".

To be honest, I just call Machine Head heavy metal. They do have a lot of thrashy songs, but I can see how a lot of them are not thrash as well - they have a lot of mid-paced material and a lot of their faster stuff is more groove driven. On the same token, a lot of their faster songs I would characterize as 90's thrash. Bands like MH, Pantera, 90's-era Sepultura began injecting more groove into songs that had faster thrashy riffs (in between the grooves usually). Obviously it's not pure thrash, but it's more related to thrash and heavy metal than any other sub-genres.

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83. Cynic writes:

The thing is, I don't have any more problem with metalcore than with country or rap - the only difference is the effect metalcore has had and is having on metal which is something I despise. I somehow now feel the pain those who experienced the influx of rap metal bands must have felt. I love metal, and I don't know why but I feel the need to defend the things I love :)

On genres, bottom line is I think it's wrong to call Machine Head thrash metal, not because of any purist agenda (...well I suppose that's debatable) but because it's a misleading description of their music. I don't like having conversations where I tell people I'm into thrash metal and they reply "Oh really, so you like Machine Head and Killswitch Engage". More related to thrash than others? Maybe, but I don't think it's so much more closer than other genres to warrant special mention. That's just me, I prefer the term Groove metal to better describe things.

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84. Andrew writes:

I think Xenosapian by Cepalic Carnage or Unia by Sonata Arctica, or The Physics of Fire by Becoming The Archetype are the best metal albums this year so far. (3IOB and Nile as well) The new Obituary albums sounds REALLY good so far, look out for that album later this month. And I would listen to good power metal anyday over generic death metal also. (new Nile album is NOT generic death metal, it is very technically impressive and straight up brutal, and Cephalic Carnage is out on their own as "Rocky Mountain Hydro-Grind")

# Sep 3, 2007 @ 3:46 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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85. CrawfordTexasJingoJango writes:

First of all, I would like anyone to point out how Machine Head's career has been consistent in ANY way. Their style changes every album, and so does their fanbase. MCR and FOB are not only making good albums and raking in the money, they're also pretty sure what kind of music they're gonna play. Now don't worry. I didn't expect anyone to take my side and if anyone's familiar with my posts, I could really care less about what some Machine Head fan has to say to me. You're like a Coal Chamber fan. You don't know what's good, so you can quit acting like you know. If there is another Machine Head album worth listening to, it hasn't been released yet. All of those "repetitive lyrics" are the same thing as "consistency". They respect their fanbase enough not to switch the sh** up because it's not making them the money they want. Why confuse your fans by changing genres every album?

As for my second comment not being "worth the effort", you sure did explain yourself quite a bit.

And for the third one, I'd like anyone to honestly tell me with a straight face any other Machine Head album that is worth the plastic and paper it's printed on.

You're underground because you love being oppositional. It's your own decision, and therefore, your own fault. Grow up. People are allowed to like what you don't.

And it's for that reason that the underground will never stop struggling. And it's their own fault.

You're underground because you choose to be, not because you HAVE to be. Quit acting like a child and make your own decision.

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86. Andrew writes:

My bad, Obituary's new album is already out.

# Sep 3, 2007 @ 6:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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87. coldiem writes:

Let's see here:

"You're like a Coal Chamber fan. You don't know what's good, so you can quit acting like you know." Then we have: "If there is another Machine Head album worth listening to, it hasn't been released yet."

Sounds to me like you're playing the part pretty well. If you're trying to insult people, you did a pretty good job of insulting yourself at the same time.

"People are allowed to like what you don't."
True. However if you are going to make that kind of statement, saying this kind of thing will do you in pretty quickly: "I'd like anyone to honestly tell me with a straight face any other Machine Head album that is worth the plastic and paper it's printed on." If you are allowed to like what other people don't, are they not allowed to like what you don't? Seems not.

"And it's for that reason that the underground will never stop struggling. And it's their own fault."

You're struggling quite a bit too, I'd say.

"You're underground because you love being oppositional."

And you don't?

"It's your own decision, and therefore, your own fault."

Huh? Who is at fault for what? For struggling? It seems you're doing a pretty good job of attributing to that.

"Quit acting like a child and make your own decision."

Who is to say they haven't? It just happens to be one that you don't agree with. Calling them out on it doesn't make you any better. I'm sure they feel the same about you as you do them.

They are standing by what they like, and you're doing the same. This sh**-slinging battle can go on forever. If you have a problem with the "underground," and people not liking MCR or FOB, then you're in the wrong place. If not, get over it and stop arguing about it. You're not going to get anywhere.

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88. Acid Rain writes:

You said everything for me Coldiem, thank you brother

# Sep 3, 2007 @ 9:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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89. deathbringer writes:

Cynic, ok, I'll agree that calling Machine Head thrash is not really accurate. The point was in comparison to the metalcore label, which I find completely inaccurate at any stage in their career. Especially their new stuff - I don't think I've ever heard "Epic metalcore" or would want to hear metalcore songs reach the 7-10 minute marks... How many breakdowns would be needed for a 10 minute song? :-)

I'll agree groove metal works for most of their material, although I'm not so sure about Burn My Eyes and The More Things Change. I'd have to listen to them again... The band has certainly gone through some changes through the years, and I hear influences from every single album prior in TTAOE and The Blackening, which definitely makes them hard to categorize.

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90. zzzBelovedGhostzzz writes:

Tang ina naman ohhhhhhhhhhhh>;........... MCR is a mEtaL UndERground,,,,,,????????
hahahahahahahahahha I rather die................. Pucha......

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91. SICKMINDED666 writes:

kill MTV

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92. wogman writes:

Machine Head's latst album The Blackenning isnt f***ing overated!!! It's a f***ing masterpiece!!! It's their best album and it kicks ass!!! It's quality!!! Which is why it shat all over teh p***y emo bands My Chemical 'Gay'mance and Fall Out Girl! I class those bands as Gay-Rock...

Can't wait to see Machine Head in November in Brisbane, along with Arch Enemy and Trivium!!! Its gunna be f***ing sweet!!!

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93. Matt writes:

How about, emo sucks and MH suck? :) Their only good song is Imperium imo lol.

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94. jblade44 writes:

All you people ar f***** REAL Metal is Megadeth, JP, Iron Miaden, Metallica, Helloween etc . All this other screamming, incoherrent crap is to me Thrash or Death Metal.. I would put MH somewhere in between. I have been listening to Metal for 25 yrs so do not tell me I do not know what Metal is you little fa***ts !!!!

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95. Bri@n-Peppers writes:

Do you guy's think EbaumsWorld made MTV suck and made Emo rise to power during the 2000's don't ya think?

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96. Diamond Oz writes:

Brian No! (Dada danana na nana)

I dunno if Ebaums did make emo rise to power BUT emo sucks and so does Ebaums so there MUST be a connection! So for arguements sake, yes they did.

# Sep 8, 2007 @ 6:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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97. Andrew writes:

AHAHAHHAHAHA, I agree with Diamond Oz, Screw Ebaums!!!

# Sep 8, 2007 @ 6:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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98. CrawfordTexasJingoJango writes:

Hey wogman, you're right. MH's new album rocks, but it's the only MH release that does. I bet MH wants the Way bros from MCR to fxck them in the ass. MH is a fluke, just like In Flames and the Haunted were. Nothin' new. But I'm willing to bet the NEXT MH album sounds just like this one.

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99. CrawfordTexasJingoJango writes:

Oh, and Acid Rain and his sister Coldiem can suck my wang, too.

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100. thor_hath_risen writes:

post 44:"All you people ar f***** REAL Metal is Megadeth, JP, Iron Miaden, Metallica, Helloween etc . All this other screamming, incoherrent crap is to me Thrash or Death Metal."


metallica IS thrash you dumb f***er!!!!

# Sep 8, 2007 @ 9:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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101. Diamond Oz writes:

And Megadeth

# Sep 8, 2007 @ 9:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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102. phil writes:

lol love it when these close-minded, ignorant fa**ots come here and suggest that "real metal" is those 50 yr old bands and nothing else...

# Sep 9, 2007 @ 2:10 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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103. smgrant18 writes:

Machine Head is allright
but The Faceless should have won that award
more people need to know about that band
they kick ass

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104. warlockzero writes:

I haven't heard the machine head album and I'm not much of a machine head fan. So i'm not going to say anything about them. As far as metal album of the year the two best ones so far in my opinion, are devildrivers and darkest hours new albums. Fall out boy sucks and mcr changed their sound and sound worse now. I guess they want a 12 to 15 year old fan base. LOL!

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105. metalmayhem writes:

Wow, everyone is angry at everyone on this topic. I am not a Machine Head fan, but the new album is very good. That said Kerrang is a joke. In my opinion the best metal albums of the year so far are Pig Destroyer's "Phantom Limb", Beneath the Massacre's "Mechanics of Dysfunction", and Rwake's "Voices of Omens". However, contrary to popular belief there is so much good music out there right now it is so difficult to pick one Album of the Year. (The new Red Chord rules as well).

# Sep 9, 2007 @ 7:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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106. kingcarcas writes:

Funny how Metal funs don't really give a sh**, they should have given the award to those fag bands so they'd STFU.

# Sep 10, 2007 @ 7:16 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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107. mcr fan writes:

i know mcr aint metal an all that but only winning one award was wierd but machine head deserved best album. i heard that mcr won't have a new album til 2009 which is f***in awful. gerard way said they have at least one more big ting to say. but dont think im saying mcr is over.cause you never know with them they could go on to do five more albums just wait and see

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108. mikeymetal writes:

machine head are one of the best bands ever.
all you twats that sed they were overhyped are wrong coz i would rather a band who deserves popularity get it, than some sh**ty untalented whiny sounding band win.
so machine head are amazing. you are gay.

# Sep 12, 2007 @ 4:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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109. Ostracised writes:

True metal rarely gets any praise, that's why when a metal band takes an award from a fake, formulaic bunch of record label and MTV darlings, we rejoice. We're proud to be metalheads, and the mainstream will never understand why we line up in droves to see bands like Cannibal Corpse, Dream Theater, or any other band that I could name that is relatively unknown or looke down on because it doesn't get regular rotation in popular venues.
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# Sep 12, 2007 @ 9:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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110. SlugEmperor writes:

I dont care if your emo or not you have to admit they have awesome pinch harmonics.

# Sep 12, 2007 @ 11:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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111. zach writes:

hahaha its funny how this is the 111th comment

# Sep 22, 2007 @ 6:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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112. NuTTSaCK writes:

Slayer >; Machine Head

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113. thisISsogay writes:

nocturnal is the sh*t,along with the cleansing,and just out of curiosity when the hell is into the moat ganna make new sh** fu*k,also what about IVEBEENSHOT...whatever

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