Metal Satanists Claim Attacks On Christian Sites
A shadowy anti-religious group with links to heavy metal music has claimed responsibility for a series of attacks on Christian sites in Brittany in northwest France, police said Thursday.
Members of the group, which calls itself "True Armorik Black Metal", or TABM, describe themselves as "extremist and anti-ecclesiastical" in a letter sent to local newspaper the Telegramme, which published excerpts on Thursday.
"We are going to strike again, again and again," warned the letter, in which the group's acronym is scrawled in blood-red letters over the image of an inverted Christian cross.
Police, who are hunting a group of Satanists they believe responsible for the attacks, said they were taking the letter seriously and had sent it for analysis by a specialised unit.
Graffiti of the letters ABM was found at nine Christian sites desecrated in recent weeks. Police believe the letters signify Aryan Black Metal, a Satanist movement which has links to heavy metal music, paganism and far-right politics.
Last weekend, the 16th-century Chapel of the Cross at Loqueffret near the remote tip of Brittany was gutted in a blaze, which left just the four walls standing (Photo#1, Photo#2). The doors of the chapel were forced open, and several original polychrome statues were destroyed.
Eight other Christian shrines — six roadside granite crosses and two fountains — were torn down or smashed last month in an area of the Finistere department near the popular holiday resorts of Benodet and Concarneau.
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2. writes:
well look at what the catholics did many centuries ago...maybe time for the christians to get a taste of religous oppression...see how they like having others tell them what to believe..christianity breeds hate, ignorance, and hypocricy.....they say they are for free speech, but try to silence anyone that is spreading a message that they do not agree with...they picket, harass, and do anything they can to stop non-christian ideals from making it to the masses...
not saying what these a$$wipes did is justified or good...its not...kinda cowardly in a way....but the christians have to begin to accept things that they fear...
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I agree with you in a small way brand... but religion is ignorant and hypocritical at the very least in it's own design. And the truth being that satanists are the exact same as catholics, becuase they believe in good and evil both being divine and the entire ethos involved. As the human race evolves, religion becomes less and less prevelant. Seeing this news bothers me because I hate seeing something as classic as 16th century architecture destroyed by more moronic religious fanatics. I hope the police catch them and shoot them all to death in an alleged "shootout"
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It's not all Christians that are acting like that actually. Most of us believe in what we believe in and don't really go to Church or follow the teachings of thos e churches. It's the same thing with the Muslims. The great majority of them are good people devoided of hate or agression but you only hear about the assheads that are being evil, close minded and ignorant.
In that sense, the comment you have made is just what you are trying to denounce : ignorant
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I do not agree with what these guys did, but I am not catholic or religious for that matter. But I hate when people claim to be satanists and then go and act anti-christian I have been reading up on the anton lavey vision of satanism and it has nothing to do with burning churches or anything I mean these guys are just trying to be cool when they are not. I do dislike the catholic religion but I have learned to be accepting of others religions as should everyone else
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Well, from their view what they are doing is right and just in cause, (or for pure shock value but for the sake of this arguement, we will give the benefit of the doubt.) Much like what they 9/11 people did when they drove the planes, fulfilling their obligations as they saw fit to their religion, despite what we think of it, as being as wrong as possible to kill that many people. They are viewed as martyrs by their people. Nothing we can say and no matter what we show them to help them see how wrong it was will change the heroism of their acts, and universally it is the same in the views of satanists.
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I'm no Christian, I've got some very strong views on the matter, but no matter what I think of someone's religion (be they Christian, Muslim, Jew, Satanist, whatever), it is still their religion, and for that it should be respected. And even if respecting other religions isn't your thing, surely some respect needs to be shown for the antiquity of the buildings being damaged.
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"I dont care what your beliefs are, what these fools have done (or at least they claimed they have done) is wrong."
Sorry to disagree but... well I disagree.
These people could be a bunch of sheep black metal teenagers angry at something they don't understand, or they could be ideological heroes of contemporary society fighting for individual freedom - The point is you can't know from just this information.
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Yeah this pisses me off. The fact of the matter is, we don't live in the middle ages anymore and the catholic church is not going around slaughtering muslims in the name of god. It's 2008 and the church dwindles in power every day so doing this just makes you look like a prick in my books. If a bunch of Christians went and burned down their monuments or whatever before this then fair play for retaliation but if not then they're just warped tossers.
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Hey Cynic, what I meant by my previous posting is this: beliefs are fine, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs or opinions, but when your beliefs lead you to destroy something that isnt yours, and endanger the lives of innocent people, I just cant justify that. Someone could have gotten killed! Not to mention what posts #3 and #8 touched on, its a shame to desecrate ancient buildings and architecture, for any reason. I guess I just dont understand their logic about how these actions will help there "cause" (for lack of a better word).
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well, as for black metal people taking hating religion too seriously, i will add that through time christians have murdered, plundered and destroyed numerous millions of people and their cultures...all for their supossed "moral causes"...now as time has passed and people have evolved, humanity has watched christianity claim to be a good and righteous cause..and humanity has began to fight back against the christian oppression...if you do not believe that christianity can be oppressive, then you are not looking into the christian faith....you must bow down and live this way or you will burn in a lake of fire...i call that a 1 sided deal...end the facism that is called christianity and any organized religion and begin to come together as 1 unified human race...
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Yes but the point which I've already made that contradicts your statement is that Christianity no longer goes around burning people and killing them in the name of God. That was all in the past and to go around feeling that burning churches is a form of compensation. That'd be like if half of the British Isles went and invaded Scandanavia as compensation for the vikings coming over and knocking the sh** out of us years ago!
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25. writes:
"beliefs are fine, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs or opinions, but when your beliefs lead you to destroy something that isnt yours, and endanger the lives of innocent people, I just cant justify that."
Maybe you can't, or you can't see their purpose, but that doesn't make their beliefs invalid because it goes against yours. So what you're really saying I'm guessing is that you disagree with what they have done because you believe it was not the right choice. There is no right and wrong moral code no matter what the church may tell you.
Red Chord wrote: "It's not all Christians that are acting like that actually. Most of us believe in what we believe in and don't really go to Church or follow the teachings of thos e churches."
Then you should stop kidding yourself that you're Christian, you're just a guy with some beliefs, most taken from a guy who supposedly lived 2000 years ago.
And holy crap, when you go to a metal gig wearing a Death t-shirt make sure to bring something else so you don't have to walk home in the SNOW.
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your all abunch of sh**s, the christian religion is against violence other than self defense .... PERIOD, when people do other wise do not blaim the religion BUT THE PEOPLE. im so sick of it all.... this is why i f***ing listen to metal because I CANT STAND PEOPLE judging us, and me sooo to deal with my anger i have metal, damn satanists what the hell do they think they are accomplishing???
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28. writes:
Jesus.. never killed a man, and certainly there was much corruption THOUSANDS of years ago, but get over it, so what the pope told all catholics in europe it was ok to kill anyone not Christian, so therefore they broke fifty christian beliefs...
First popes have no God like authority, so they cannot just make up rules
Second.... need i even say it, where in the world would they get that idea i dont know, they killed christians anywayz as well. You guys should know your facts first, stop rebelling just to rebel, get over yourselves and except other's differences, and stop being hypocritical. Its been over for thoasands of years.
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**sorry for all of these posts in a row**
sorry i got worked up, i just listened to Yakuza's new song Egocide and it calmed me down, But i still feel the ignorance isnt fair to christians who dedicate their lives to being the exact opposite of your claims, and trying to stop it from happening.
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once again, someone who cant use the proper terminalogy....its really sad to see americans misuse their own language.....
You guys should know your facts first, stop rebelling just to rebel, get over yourselves and except other's differences, and stop being hypocritical. Its been over for thoasands of years.
THE WORD "ACCEPT" SEEMS TO BE SO HARD FOR LOTS OF PEOPLE TO SPELL CORRECTLY...EXCEPT MEANS, THAT CD IS ALL GOOD "EXCEPT" SONG 4..THAT SUCKS "EXCEPT" FOR THE THAT..OR WHATEVER..
it seems that people today cannot or will not use the proper terms when they are trying to make points and all they wind up doing is making themselves look dumb...dumb in the sense of the word dumb as in stupid....before some of you try to make others look as bad or worse than you, be sure to spell-check yourself...fukin idiots...
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Well about Cynic's post : it is not written anywhere in the bible that we should go to church and it is not writtewn naywhere in the same bible that one of the branches of Christian churches is the true one. What makes you Christian is not religion but faith. and faith does not come by blindly following teachings from humans but following what your spirit and heart tells you...I read the bible every night and I don't need somebody to tell me how I should interpret this...I just ask God to help me and he does. Being Christian is about believing that Jesus was the son of God and came here to help us get rid of our sins and no religion can claim to be THE ONE...religion is man made and man is imperfect, so you end up with the same thing as politics : lies, betrayals, need for power, manipulation. Faith comes from somewhere else and by me believing in Christ and staying away from the Churches politics, I feel more Christian than most who claims to be.
Now you can judge me if you like Cynic, I really don't dislike you at all, but I think that you are wrong in what you said about me. And you can laugh at me if you want (all of you) but at least I stand up for what I believe in even though some of you think it's fairy tales.
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"I agree with you in a small way brand... but religion is ignorant and hypocritical at the very least in it's own design. And the truth being that satanists are the exact same as catholics, becuase they believe in good and evil both being divine and the entire ethos involved."
your points lead nowhere, and you obviously have never read much of the bible and have little knowledge of what your talking about, everyone has what you call "evil" in them but christians believe in divinity but not that your own selfish choices are... divine, i actually fine that laughable.
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Cynic, I am not questioning their beliefs, Im questioning their actions. and what they did, was dangerous and illegal. That much, Im pretty sure, is not up for debate.
Brandedcfh420: Lighten up dude its not english class!
PS- you spelled "fukin" wrong.........................that was a joke!
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it's funny how bible prophecies everyday seem to point more and more to be true, it seems it makes sense that christians years ago made some stupid mistakes because now it will be an excuse to slowly make a change in societies thoughts, and cause what was predicted to occur
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I am a borderline nihilist, I despise the idea of faith, to me it corrolates to ignorance. Christianity makes no sense to me whatever, unless God is a cruel imperfect being which I've never heard a Christian espouse. To me it is nothing but fear in a system. And also I hear alot of bashing of Satanism from people who I don't think truly understand it. I believe what these people did was right for them, do I agree with what they did? I can't know, I can't say that I wouldn't feel the same hatred hearing tales of corruption, of my ancestors being burnt alive, of the oppression...life is a fight for your own beliefs, there is no right and wrong.
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49. writes:
Faith just means believing, why i believe? is not part of the meaning. But yes, some believe for those reasons, i believe because of understanding, let me tell you something... if this life ended in a memoryless dream that went on for all eternity... then all life reason, ideas, creations, hate, love, and everything....
would be meaningless.
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As I said, I am Nihilist - I do believe everything is meaningless in the context of the existence. But that doesn't mean life doesn't mean everything for me. Just because you percieve something to be depressing or lacking in doesn't make it any more valid as an answer. And I accept depressing truths over ignorant dreams anyday - The red pill or the blue.
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I didn't say anything about things happening or not, I think therefore I am. I don't believe in any omnipotent being caring about what we do, or metalphysical morality, I believe in energy in different forms, electical, kinetic etc - death is just a transformation.
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religion cannot be an excuse for commiting a crime of any type. if religion is an excuse for commiting a crime this would be seriously unfair on agnostics and atheists (like me). satanism is ok as long as you don't break the law. the same goes for any other religion you care to name.
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64. writes:
blah blah blah blah....as dimmu states religion sickens me...
so f*** religion and all supporters....satanism i have studied.....and newesflash every religion has it's contradictions the whole f***in' bible is and ummm freedom of speech? who gives a sh** and a flying rats a$$ ppl will say what they want...DEAL WITH IT!!...and their ""pessimistic viewpoints""
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65. writes:
see, the way Cynic said it in post #43, sounds like the way the music video for Dimmu Borgir's 'The Serpentine Offering' went...
Honestly, its time some people stepped up to even out the Christian death toll so it matches the death tolls of other denominations of people who were oppressed by Christians...Honestly, when you study history, you can see sh** like this coming...Even with 9/11, look at how America either killed muslim people, or helped someone else kill muslim people just within the last century. Look up all that history, then tell me we almost didn't have that coming back to us...Not saying killing 3,000 of American innocents for your nearly millions of Islamic innocents is justified, but we should've seen that if we keep f***ing over everyone else, everyone else is gonna decide to f*** you up...
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so, slug, you are saying that when god flooded the earth and killed innocent babies that may have been born within the time of the start of the rain and the end of the rain, that god was not cruel...WAIT SINCE GOD DID IT THEN ITS OK....FUK THAT sh**.....GOD IS A GENOCIDAL MURDERING SICK FUK....WHAT SINS DID THOSE BABIES COMMIT WITHIN THE EXTREMELY SHORT LIFE THEY HAD, IF ANY WERE BORN...?...SINCE GOD FLOODED THE EARTH TO WASH AWAY SINS THAT CHRISTIANS NATURAL, YET CALL IT BAD..WHAT BULLSH!T!!!!...WE ALL SIN EVERYDAY....BUT TO SIT AND SAY THE SO CALLED DEITY THAT FLOODED THE EARTH AND MURDERED EVERYTHING THAT WAS ALIVE, MINUS WHAT WAS ON THE ARK, IF IT EVEN EXISTED, IS NOT CRUEL IS PATHETIC...BUT WE ALL HAVE OUR DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS ON MATTERS LIKE THESE...
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68. writes:
Well you know brandedcfh420 I understand your point but it's not all of us who are American. Take me for example, I'm French Canadian so I had to learn English over the years but since it's not my natural language, I will make mistakes. Maybe it's the case for those guys too. But you're right though, there is a lack in grammar since internet is so popular, it maid people lazy i guess.
And Slugemperor and Cynic, i really enjoyed reading your conversation, it was interesting. And I am glad to see that I am not the only Christian on this post.
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69. writes:
Let me clear all this up for you:
What they did was wrong. Not because of religion, and all that horsesh**. A church is a congregational point for the righteous, not a point central to their belief. A rebuilt church is just as good, just as proper as the old one was. A church to a historian, however, is a different story. When you burn history to ashes, it stays ashes. You cannot rebuild it. It is gone. Burning a church isn't a statement against christians, but against history itself. And while the history of Christianity is in itself not entirely pleasant, still we cannot learn from the past if we simply burn it down. These idiots should have burned something more indicative of the faith of the religion - a priest, perhaps, or a bible, to be more humane, hahah.
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psythe---well, how about the ashes of the people burned by the christians centuries ago??...humanity is waking up and seeing that religion has become a tool to control people, and are changing their lives accordingly...however, some take it to more extreme levels than others...so what they burned a church, big deal..they didnt kill any1, assault another human being, etc....but ashes is exactly where the christian churches belong...cause, in actuality, people dont need a church to worship god...theyc an do it in their own homes...church is just a place for the social elite to gather and make themselves appear good and righteous, while continuing to live lives of sin....AND MAKE APPEARANCES ON SUNDAY TO CLEANSE THEMSELVES CLEAN.....but all they are doing is making room for more sins.....
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72. writes:
LOL yep, I really meant made...see if you did not tell me that, I would still make that mistake. LOL.
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cause, in actuality, people dont need a church to worship god...theyc an do it in their own homes...church is just a place for the social elite to gather and make themselves appear good and righteous, while continuing to live lives of sin....AND MAKE APPEARANCES ON SUNDAY TO CLEANSE THEMSELVES CLEAN.....but all they are doing is making room for more sins.
THat was exactly what I was trying to say at the begining of this topic, you don't need a Church to worship God, my house is just fine and actually I think that a lot of people who go to church are just being hypocrites...not all of them but a lot of them. And yes religion has used it's power over people to control and put radical ideas in their heads. So good point brande.
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lol, you guys are very hypocritcal talking like you know history soooo well, first of all america is not simply going out and killing muslims, its a billion times more complex than that, half the things that go on in the government arent even let out to the people, your just making stupid guesses because that's what you hear people say. What the f*** does that have to do with christians...
hmmm these accusations are not unlike hitler's on the jews.
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Aww, how cute Red_Pansy. How cute of you to kiss this p***s-sniffing testicle-munching piece of dog sh**, Brandedcfh420, LMFAO, Hahaha. Oh my gosh.
I mean really, I guess after Jericho aka the Golden age of a woman life owned you to the bottom of your heart you have become more pansy than a fruit-bag, you midget fetishist. Kissing some wanker douchebag with a half-bald scalp and a f***ing irish potbelly deformed kangaroo named Branded, Haha.
But I will keep you aside because you have not yet graduate from "Jericho school for the educated metalheads".
Now coming to you, Branded aka Ms. Grundy. Let me tell you this Ms. Grundy, who in blue f***ing blazes care who made mispelling here, Ms. Grundy, no one. How about I shove all Bling Bling I have in my wrists and neck and shove them up your Orangutan rammed ass, you fa**ot piece of sh**. Don't come into Metalundergroundjericho.com with this f***ing bullsh**. Who the hell do you think you're?
I said...who the hell do you think you're, Branded? Who? Our english teacher? You piece of sh**. Holy f***, calm your shaved lumpy a$$ down, you buck-toothed hunchbacked jackal.
This is my time, dumbass, the only one educating here is me, Branded, you will now become a member of "Jericho b****es" and heed the good word toward education and a little bit of gold in you, of course, you will never be like me, like Jericho yours truly, but at least you must start somewhere.
I have an idea, after I have finished anal-f***ing you, I'll make you the first staff member of my school, how about that? You will as the first member of my staff have the opportunity to wear the Mary Poppins uniform you must wear after you finished education in the pink tutu you have on now, ok peace out, Ta-ta.
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But satanists are doing just the same thing they are mad at christians for, killing or hurting people who think different from you, if not satanists are just doing this in revenge, and we all know revenge for things done thousands of years ago is second grade, eye for an eye.... "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." - Mahatma Gandhi
so even if they have some... cause... it's worth nothing.
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"psythe---well, how about the ashes of the people burned by the christians centuries ago??...humanity is waking up and seeing that religion has become a tool to control people, and are changing their lives accordingly...however, some take it to more extreme levels than others...so what they burned a church, big deal..they didnt kill any1, assault another human being, etc....but ashes is exactly where the christian churches belong...cause, in actuality, people dont need a church to worship god...theyc an do it in their own homes...church is just a place for the social elite to gather and make themselves appear good and righteous, while continuing to live lives of sin....AND MAKE APPEARANCES ON SUNDAY TO CLEANSE THEMSELVES CLEAN.....but all they are doing is making room for more sins....."
Ok that was the catholic inquisition who was controlling the people as a government, they killed many christians as well, also christians have been burned countless times. lol sooo whatt they burned a church... so we should all become Neanderthals and burn all of the things we dont like... lol nice try. Certainly a Christian doesnt need a church but that doesnt mean we should burn them down, they are anything but bad, we go there to learn and worship, so f***in what if you can do that at home. Your talking about catholics yet again, in the ending part, but still i dont know about you, but i certainly dont go to church to look good... nobody does, obviously if we go to church we dont look that great if you read this blog at all, we are well judged... plus of course you keep sinning but the point is to attempt to not sin even though we will again, doesnt mean we shouldnt ask for forgiveness, thats like saying just because we may never help Darfur ever come back to normal we should just completely give up... and since there is so much crime in america we should just stop having a police force... and because there are so many fires we should just stop hiring firefighters....... real smart.
and as i've said a billion times, religion is not the tool... people are, and our own sin, that you think is stupid to try to stop.
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84. writes:
Tell you the truth it really doesn't matter if they commited mass slaughter or not - chances are every one of you live in a country that has willfully slaughtered people at some point in time. As far as the politics of religion go, as I see it monotheistic religions like Christianity and Islam cannot exist without conflict, by there very definition. There will always be war as long as there is religion.
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Some poart of what you say is true Cynic, yet even if there would be no religion at all in this world, there would still be wars and for many different reasons : land, power, hatred, oil (yeah that stupid liquid), food, racial differences, ego...ah ego, our worst enemy...
And branded, I still thank you for pointing the maid-made thing, no matter what Jericho said, but just do as we are doing right now, just pretend he doesn't exists, cause when it comes from nothing, it means nothing
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as long as there was enough people to have it, there has been war... its really as simple as that, religion could factor, but before monotheistic religion there was plenty of warring to go around. Before people, the Neanderthals, cavemen of all sorts, ants, ring-tailed lemurs, all have and had war. I dont see how war will end, with the end of religion, there will still be something to fight about. I dont see how, if everyone was atheist, how those people would be so amazingly perfect that war could be prevented, it's not like all politics is based purely around religion. How do you think the coldwar started, religion? It doesnt matter though, religion is here now, and it wont end anytime soon.
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I think that an atheist world would actually be worse than a religious world because maybe they would leave some important values on the side...but I think it is in the human nature to fight and there will always be people that don't really want to supress that.
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cynic, i am a nihilist as well. well, an idealist nihilist, because i think that if someone was pure nihilist, they would probably kill themself because of the great nihilistic paradox: there are no truths in the world. when in fact, that statement is the nihilist truth. i'm not a fan of religion either, but i personally wouldnt burn down something like this, just because i would decide on my own accord not to. however, i neither condemn nor condone this type of act, because if they think its right and they do it, well thats great for them. let them burn down the churches!
god damn everyone is so self-righteous!
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Without the shadow of a doubt, Branded the buck-toothed hunchback piece of jackal sh** pride's has fallen. So has Red_Pansy with his delusional midget-fantasies, but either ways now that I have educated the midget-fetishist, onto Literature teaching bashing.
Branded, I have brought you further down than the sh**hole you have already dug yourself you're more insignificant than toad hemhorroid.
Branded do not lock yourself in your closet all day smelling your fart fumes. It is turning your mind to mush. I have work for you, there is a farmer whose Donkey is ailing, he begged for a solution to this problem, being the almighty omni-potent divine that I am, and the solution is you. Go at once to this farmer, Branded so you may plow his fields, cut the crops, and shovel the horse crap. I also want you to test your bestiality tendeices here, I will be watching you from afar to see that you can resist looking thru chicken anuses, and cows rectums.
If you do your work in a good way, he will reward you with buffalo testicles, and cubs c***. Sound yummy doesn't it?
Well get your Jackal a$$ over there, this is all for now.
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In an effort to get back on topic.Attacking someone for their belief's or simply being different is dead wrong.I myself am a Christian what seperates me from the usual garden variety wakeing you up on a saturday morneing moron's who take it upon them selves to save someone they don't know jack asses is the fact that I read and understand it's not my place to judge ANYONE !!!!
If i should not be doing it then neither should you period.Destroying someone elses property as a means of makeing a point is also wrong.It does not mean your smart and it's not a way to express yourself.Unless of course you wish to express the fact that your not very smart.
Whether Satanist Christian or Moslem the truth is the perpetrators in this case are criminals the end.
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unless it is defensively most guerrilla warfare styles and tactics are very cowardly in my opinion. But you know the KKK did the same f***in' things, satanists are not at all that different. The KKK burned catholics, and catholic churches. The KKK just did it to a wider group of people.
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metalupyour455, that was a great post. I myself would say I'm a quasi-nihilist, In the end I'm far to human to kill myself. I don't espouse that their are no truths, so much as there are no human truths, no meaning. Physics, maths, science, biology - they're the real gods as Einstein believed.
Life is a battle for your own beliefs, there is no right or wrong moral codes, just different ones that you percieve to be right and wrong. These people felt it is right for them to wage war on Christianity, I have no real opinion on what they did because there is not enough information in this article.
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"Einstein was not religiously observant, but he was, in his words, "a deeply religious nonbeliever." He often spoke of a "cosmic religion" and a God seen in the harmony of the universe. Einstein rejected the idea of a "personal God" who rewards or punishes. Instead, Einstein said, "it is enough for me to contemplate the mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through all eternity [and] to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe which we can dimly perceive....""
Einstein was also very zionist, and would never support the burning of any church or synagogue, and his gods werent really science properties.
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French black metal rules, Alcest, Mutiilation, Mortifera, Peste Noire... damn they rule.
"and his gods werent really science properties." - What I meant was that he believed the natural world, the laws of physics (or some unifying law) was god.
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Three youths between the ages of 21 and 22 have confessed to series of attacks on Christian sites in Brittany in northwest France, according to Yahoo! France. The suspects, who belong to a shadowy anti-religious group with links to heavy metal music, denied having commited the acts as part of a satanic ritual and claimed to have carried out the attacks as a way to protest "the excessive power of Christianity and the abolition of pagan worship."
The suspects were taken into custody Thursday morning (June 21) and were placed under arrest over the weekend. They claimed to have acted alone, or with accomplices, in the desecration of eight Christian sites since the beginning of May, before burning down the 16th-century Chapel of the Cross (slideshow) at Loqueffret near the remote tip of Brittany (France) the night of June 15-16.
Members of the group, which calls itself "True Armorik Black Metal", or TABM, described themselves as "extremist and anti-ecclesiastical" in a letter sent to local newspaper the Telegramme, which published excerpts on Thursday.
"We are going to strike again, again and again," warned the letter, in which the group's acronym was scrawled in blood-red letters over the image of an inverted Christian cross.
A total of seven people were detained last Thursday and four were eventually released after being questioned by the police.
45 investigators worked on the case, which drew international attention.
Thanks for the info to Blabbermouth.net.
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fine burn my house down! the fact of the matter is i'm not afraid to die. why should anyone be afraid to die, unless they are scared by their beliefs of a bad afterlife if they behave improperly according to their religion and what their god(s) say(s). i dont believe in afterlife period, thus i have nothing to fear of dying. and if you burn my hosue down with out me in it, surely i will want to kill you. but thats human nature, not a moral issue. morals are human created and not altruistic. they are not from above, in my opinion. they developed through the evolution of society, when humans started to live together. these morals made it more possible for societies to form, instead of living in the natural primitive direction all animals should live in, because we lived by the food chain, we would stop being ego-centric solipsists and see that we are no more significant than jelly-fish.
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Personally, I'm an atheist but I dont blame and laugh at people that believe in God or in Lucifer or in whatever but I dont think that religions should be a motive for killing I mean they should provide peace inside of us THE WORLD IS SCARY ENOUGH and anarchy is all around us People calm yourselves down!!!
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123. writes:
maybe religion doesnt directly CONDONE violence but organized religion usually leads to it, and there is definitely no dispute there, from the romans throwing the christians to the lions to the crusaders to the islamic fundamentalists. thats unarguable evidence that religion leads to it. in the first example, the christians were thrown to the lions because in pagan religions like the romans followed, they believed that if such people like the christians lived around them, that the gods would be really p***ed off. in those kinds of pagan cultures, people were f***in scared of gods and tried to please them in any way possible to save their own lives! for the crusaders, since they believed israel, the land of the bible, was rightfully theirs, they believed that god was on their side of the battle to slay the Jews and the Muslims that got in their way to take over israel and jerusalem. as for islamic fundamentalists, well... i dont need to explain that. youve seen it on the tv screen in the past 5-10 years.
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yeah, overly zealous religious organizations have been a bit of a nusance throughout history. but i think that the problem is more in the human desire for power, wealth and control. like SlugEmperor said, religion is the tool to used to achieve that power and control and fortune. those in power hide behind all that religious garbage to justify their actions and brainwash their followers to obey their every command. but even if religion was nonexistent, that wouldnt change anything. if there was no religion, that doesnt mean that the world would suddenly become at peace with itself and we would all live in harmony together. thats a fantasy that will never be realized. if not religion, than some other organization would form and wars would erupt because we would just find new ways to hate each other and new reasons why we need to take our 'enemy's' land for our own or annihilate them all together. religion has just become that blanket.
also, it is those who corrupt and abuse their power that we have suffered from. not the idea, but the corrupt individuals leading and ignorant individuals following.
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126. writes:
Well its very sad that the majority who are not as ignorant are not as well heard... and its really a shame. All it takes is some thoasands to make millions, maybe billions from over time, look bad. But yeah i disagree with the a$$ wholes in my own religion, although.... israel is a long story that shouldnt be argued in this blog, lol, but i agree.
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129. writes:
Once again "satanists" decide to live up to the reputation and deeds of the likes of Varg and Euronymous.
i know dozens of Satanists and none of them go out desecrating churchs and the like, because that is not what being a satanist is all about.
The morons that go about doing that are just using the word satanist as a blanket to hide under.
This seems like a load of kids who never really grew up and got over having to go to sunday school.
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136. writes:
what TABM do is stupid, it puts the whole name of heavy metal into disrepute as the general public would read about it and not see BLACK METAL and SATANISTS as the reason but HEAVY METAL since most wouldn't understand what black metal is, which is a shame as some bands try to make the world a better place, like Trivium or Iron Maiden for example.
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1. Ethelred writes:
what a bunch of sad c***s