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Axl Rose Reportedly Recording Final Vocals For "Chinese Democracy"

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The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported on Sunday, January 7th, that Guns N' Roses front-man Axl Rose had been recording the final vocal tracks for 'Chinese Democracy' at Palms Studios. The latest tentative release date is March 6th.

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81 Comments on "Axl Recording Final Vocals For 'Chinese Democracy'"

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1. godlike writes:

Yeah, OK...???

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 9:43 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. Diamond Oz writes:

Let's hope so. Now lets sit back and watch the disbelief of this story just fly in!!

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 9:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. Ostracised writes:

With this news, the disbelief will be that it will make the release date. After 10 years, you'd think at least the vocals would be done. As time goes on this story just gets sadder and more bizarre.

Now Playing:"Lies within the Truth" from Magnitude 9

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 10:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Scorched_Earth writes:

Must be one hell of a vocal track if it took 10 years of takes..."The Blooz" take #4008! Take it from the top!"

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 12:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. slainsoul writes:

I'm ready, bring it on Axl. I love you man!!!!

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 1:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Jackrum writes:

The more i hear about thi album the less interest i have in it.. I'll get my mate to do me a copy, he's that much of a die hard GnR fan he has an axl poster over his bed...

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 3:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. darren b writes:

I think I asked for this CD for Christmas in 2001....it it done yet??...ugh...I love ya Axl but this CD is about on time as you typically are for your concerts!

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 3:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Drew W. writes:

I love Axl and all, but really, this album has been built up for so long there is no way it'll live up to the hype it has gotten for these past, what, 5 years?! I'm definitely going to pay attention and be all over it when it comes out but really if this is anything more than a nostalgia trip I'll be surprised.

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 4:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. BLACKDOG writes:

So how long before GnR4ever pop's out of the woodwork againe.

To all the diehard's out their ...... GOOD LUCK !!!

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 4:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. Nu_Metal writes:

I do agree that when news comes up about this album, I lose interest in it. I love Guns N' Roses but a cd can't take an eternity to make should it??

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 4:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. BLACKDOG writes:

Axl would have you believe that but Uh........ No.

Zepplin is rumored to have written a classic album in an hour.(either that or 3 day's Godlike would no better than me)Zepplin IV I think.The point is it does not take 10+ yrs to make a great record.If the talent is really their it should not take longer than 2yrs and I'm being generous.All you gotta do is watch Vh1's classic album's to realize that.

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 5:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. godlike writes:

It was Zeppelin 1...It was recorded in about 30 hours...!!
At least thats what the books say...I have never seen an exact time...but its said to have been completed in under 30 hours.... and yes that is a classic...!!!!!

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 7:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. slayerdisciple writes:

damn that caliber of an album in less then a day and 1/4

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 7:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. BLACKDOG writes:

Ok just over a day.......

DAMN AXL !!!!! If the band is better than ever. What's up with that ?

Scorched earth saide something recently.It had something to do with the current band not knowing why the record has not been released yet. Go figure.

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 7:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. BLACKDOG writes:

Vh1 classic album's recently did documentaries about MOTORHEAD(ACE OF SPADES) & FLEETWOOD MAC(RUMOR'S).Yes I know Fleetwood Mac !?!?.....It was still a good documentary.Very good insites on ..... WAITE FOR IT ........ HOW TO WRITE A GREAT CLASSIC ALBUM !!!!!!!!!

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 7:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. BLACKDOG writes:

Or atleast what goes into writeing one.

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 7:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Scorched_Earth writes:

Yea-I should've kept my mouth shut-not because what I know isn't true-just cos the individual who told me could get in sh** if I repeated what was said (and I haven't). As far as I know one of the biggest problems is that Axl is very worried about the record failing and/or not fitting the times. I think he realized after making a psychoctic atempt to take over the the band/drive everyone else out that all bands are the sum of their parts. Even the Police and bands like them that have one really strong song writer know that others contribute hugely-think of the Police with Stewart Copeland's phenomenal drumming. Axl took over, isolated the band, made members sign away rights, did the whole prima donna thing and now he has to prove he's worth it...and he probably realized that about 8 years ago...

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 7:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. BLACKDOG writes:

Scorched Earth.Why do I get the strangest feeling that GnR forever may be Sebastion Bach ? I don't know why I keep thinking that & you seem to have more knowledge on the whole Axl phenomena.Not that I actually care to have that level of knowledge of the guy.But for some strange reason I keep thinking that and I don't know why.

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 8:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. the antihippy writes:

why buy this when you can buy the metalocalypse CD along with it's first season dvd?

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 8:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. BLACKDOG writes:

I was not aware it was comeing this soon.When does it drop ?

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 9:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. BLACKDOG writes:

Sew him back together,Sew him back together, .... LOL !!!!

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 9:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. godlike writes:

hey BLACKDOG, I think you might be on to something.... the theory of gnr4ever and Sebastian Bach, being the same person..
I still laugh at the whole "savage animals" escapade...

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 10:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. BLACKDOG writes:

I swear something in the back of my head keep's screaming that.I mean I could all to easily be wrong....Maybe it's his dogged determination to get us to agree with him."SAVAGE ANIMAL"! "I AM A SAVAGE ANIMAL !!! YOU ARE A SAVAGE ANIMAL !!!!! ROCK & ROLL IS A SAVAGE ANIMAL" !!!!.....

Seriously if it is him I'll quit.Could you imagine what it must be like to argue with him about anything.Talk about a brick friggin wall.

# Jan 9, 2007 @ 10:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. Scorched_Earth writes:

LOL! You guys are hillarious! Personally, I've known a lot of folks and met a good number of famous people but I hope I haven't given anyone the impression that I'm 'anybody' (thou with this next project I hope I will be!).

As far as Axl goes...you know-the funny thing is-I'm not a fan. Back when I was a teen I remember seeing them do Mr Brownstone on some MTV thing or bootleg, and later seeing Axl with Poison hair in the 'welcome to the jungle' video and I just thought they were another glam band (didn't really feel the music). I remember when Metallica and Soundgarden tour with them and I couldn't understand why they would...I honestly just seem to remember music press really well-so that's why I can quote things Axl has said. That, and I roadied for, or hung out with a couple of guys who are in the current band (one of which-Buckethead is not anymore). GnR4ever may very well be Sebastian Bach thou-that would just kill it!

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 1:41 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. Diamond Oz writes:

Metalocalypse is the best show ever!!! MANY YEARS AGO TODAY SOMETHING GREW INSIDE YOUR MOTHER! THAT THING WAS YOU!!!

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 7:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. Jackrum writes:

Deathklok are excellent...

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 7:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. Drew W. writes:

I am more excited to hear some more Buckethead craziness than Axl's vocals. But considering Axl most likely limited all the creative input to his own person the guitar solos and sick runs will probably limited to close to zero.

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 9:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. GunsNWho writes:

I used to be a lover of the band - honestly, I still have all my old grear n stuff but DAMN 10 years - i dunno perhaps the Guiness Book should take a look Zepplin fastest classic 30 hrs - Guns slowest (songs were classic at release) 10+ years

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 9:40 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. the antihippy writes:

seriously though, when is metalocalypse is coming out?

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 7:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. Scorched_Earth writes:

Metalocalypse is cool-but Venture Brothers?!!? That kills it!

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 8:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. BLACKDOG writes:

Yeah Venture brothers is HILLARIOUS !!!!!!!

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 8:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. godlike writes:

this just in...a few more details on the recording of Led Zeppelin 1

The story from the engineer,Glyn Johns, "says that the album took nine days to record and the band was only in the studio for some 30 hours"..
Page says, "The group had only been together for two and a half weeks when the album was recorded..We'd had about 15 hours of rehearsal and went to Scandinavia for a few gigs and then we came back and cut the album"....

After all of this, I wonder, just how "epic" Chinese Democracy is really going to be... when compared to what Zeppelin accomplished in the same time frame that Axle has been working on this one record...
Zeppelin 1 was recorded in Oct of '68 and was on the shelves by Jan of '69 ( within days of my birth)
.. John Bonham died in Sept of '80...while he was alive they recorded and released 8 albums, and then still had material to release Coda a year orso after the loss of Mr Bonham...
That is an "epic" f^ckin career..!!!!!

This moron has spent over a decade working on an albums worth of material... By the time he gets enough material together, records and releases the next GnR album after Chinese Democracy, he'll be so f^ckin old, he's gonna look as bad as Ozzy...

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 9:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. BLACKDOG writes:

I dunno.They can do wonders today with Botox and all.lol......

He should never have parted with his old band.Now he's just pathetic.

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 9:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. Scorched_Earth writes:

Check this out-more than I knew about the subject...

http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1472&Itemid=42

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 11:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. BLACKDOG writes:

I'll have to look it up later.The server on my job won't let me in.

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 11:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. Scorched_Earth writes:

Call this my News debut-from MetalSludge...

This article is killer! Good stuff...enjoy...

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/live/live.html?in_article_id=425436&in_page_id=1889

By MICK WALL

Ten years, £7 million, svengali astrologers, chicken-obsessed musicians… of all rock’s decadent tales, nothing comes close to the extraordinary story of Guns N’ Roses star Axl Rose and his tortured attempts to finish the most expensive album of all time...

Tom Zutaut knew what to expect as his car crowned a steep hill and drew up before the vast Malibu mansion. The huge iron gates were permanently adorned with a small crowd loitering for the merest glimpse of the rock god within.

Very occasionally he would slink out of the supremely tasteless estate in his silver Ferrari and the acolytes would go into a frenzy. Zutaut had been here before, often.

This was the first time he wished he could melt into the safe anonymity of the album-clutching fans; he was anxious about the confrontation to come and expected the worst. His instincts had not deserted him – as it turned out, he was proved absolutely right.

Behind the metal gates and high fence that surrounded the house and its four acres of grounds lived Axl Rose, without question the most successful rock star of the late Eighties. Even at the height of his success, Rose had been a difficult character, but he had now – in 2001 – become a virtual recluse, the subject of intense industry gossip and rumour.

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 11:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. Scorched_Earth writes:

In his solitary confinement, Rose had surrounded himself with huge tanks of snakes and spiders, a collection of Latin-American religious paraphernalia, and a large armoury of semi-automatic weaponry, including a huge array of Uzi submachine guns.

Although no longer the regular drug user he was in the Eighties, Rose still slept all day and then spent up to four hours every evening working out, alone, in his huge gym.

Then he would turn to his computer and surf the internet at night for any mentions of his own name, occasionally posting cryptic messages himself.

He communicated almost entirely by email and rarely spoke to anybody except his 50-year-old housekeeper, and his spiritual guru, Sharon Maynard.

All of which, after his great successes, he was entitled to do. There was just one problem: Rose was supposed to be several years into recording the next Guns N’ Roses album. His record company had already invested millions of dollars in it, but by 2001 Rose had produced very little. Zutaut’s arrival at the mansion was the last throw of the dice by a desperate record company. For Universal Music, Chinese Democracy – the working title of the album – should have been a safe bet.

The album was expected to sell ten million copies when the project was first mooted in 1996, which would have brought in profits conservatively estimated at £52 million.

The company accountants were duly briefed. The lack of a record had, therefore, left a huge black hole in Universal’s accounts. And to make matters worse, it seemed Rose had finally given up on the record himself – he had not been in the recording studio for weeks.

And so Universal had now turned to the very man who had created the Guns N’ Roses phenomenon in the first place: Zutaut had even been offered a 30 per cent bonus if he could get Rose to finish the album.

Zutaut had seen off stiff competition in 1986 to sign Guns N’ Roses (he scuppered rival A&Rs by misinforming them the band were appalling live), and presided over their rise to fame, launching the biggest-selling debut album of all time, Appetite For Destruction.

He had masterminded the success of the record by begging MTV to play the video of the single Welcome To The Jungle when sales of the album started to level out at just 200,000.

Reluctantly, the music channel agreed and within weeks the album went to No 1, a year after its release. It went on to sell an estimated 38 million worldwide – more records than Bob Dylan has sold in his entire career.

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38. Scorched_Earth writes:

For five years, GN’R remained Universal’s most bankable act. The 1991 Use Your Illusion world tour made £30 million. Now, though, things were very different.

Zutaut stood in Rose’s huge entrance hall, reflecting on the fact that the star had already been through eight producers and 20 musicians. Things had gone beyond the decadent madness of even the infamous Beach Boys’ Smile project (started in 1966; released in 2004).

In the studio, Rose’s latest recruit, guitarist Buckethead (so-called because he wore an upturned Kentucky Fried Chicken bucket on his head on stage) had demanded a chicken coop be built. An area cordoned off by planks of wood and chicken wire had duly been constructed for the musician, an eccentric whose official biography claims he was raised in a coop, by chickens.

And as Zutaut took in the sight around him, his heart must have sunk. How was he ever going to persuade the singer to make music again? I know exactly how Zutaut must have felt, because I have known Rose well.

In the Eighties, I was one of the few rock journalists who supported the band. I interviewed him several times and was given a gold disc for the GN’R Lies album in honour of my loyalty.

The last time I actually saw Rose, though, was when he and three menacing ‘cohorts’ cornered me in a Los Angeles bar and threatened to murder me if I went ahead with a planned book on his band. ‘If I see anything with my name on it, I promise you this,’ he said, pausing for effect while peering at me through his long red hair, ‘I will track you down, and I will kill you.’

Of course, I went ahead with my book. By then, Rose threatening people with violence was a fairly regular scenario.

Even the band was growing sick of him – rhythm guitarist Izzy Stradlin, the boyhood friend with whom Rose had started the band, walked out at the height of their fame in 1991. Stradlin was tired, he told me, of the singer’s histrionics: not least the mid-show walk-off at a concert in St Louis in 1991, which resulted in a mass riot that left 60 people seriously injured.

That was at the start of the two-and-a-half-year Use Your Illusion world tour. By the time it ended in July 1993, Guns N’ Roses were not only the biggest band in the world, they were also doomed. Rose had destroyed dozens of gigs by failing to show up or by storming off stage at the slightest provocation. When it was over, Rose would never perform with the original band again.

London-born lead guitarist Slash told me, ‘I just lost Axl. Everything was so out of control, then suddenly we came home and everything just kind of stopped.’

Over the next few years every member of Guns N’ Roses walked out on Rose. But he seemed not to care. He bought the rights to the band’s name and made it clear that he was going to continue producing Guns N’ Roses music.

The record company chose to keep the faith, too, believing that he could pull off another successful album single-handedly. How wrong they were.

# Jan 10, 2007 @ 11:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. Scorched_Earth writes:

Now ten years into the making, Rose’s album, originally called 2000 Intentions, but changed to Chinese Democracy as the year 2000 passed, has become the most expensive album ever made – except that it has not been made.

Around £7 million has been spent on an album that’s not been released. The New York Times has described it as ‘the recording industry’s most notorious white elephant’. To put it in perspective, Michael Jackson’s long-awaited Invincible cost £1 million. Indeed, studio techniques have changed so much since Rose began recording his album that there is no way another record will ever cost this much again.

It is now possible to create music professional enough for public release using a £1,000 laptop. A senior source at Universal told me: ‘I just can’t imagine anyone being given that sort of money now.’

The central issue has been this: even as he embarked on recording the new album, Rose made it clear to his record label that advice or help from other quarters would not be appreciated. In 1997, Todd Sullivan, then working as a talent executive for Geffen, a subsidiary of Universal that had signed Guns N’ Roses, sent CDs featuring various producers to Rose’s abode, with a note suggesting he might like to consider working with one of them.

Rose placed the CDs on his driveway and ran over them in his car. When Sullivan persuaded Rose to play him some of the snippets he’d been working on, he said: ‘Look, Axl, there’s some really great, promising stuff here. Why don’t you consider just bearing down and completing some of the songs?’

Rose replied: ‘Hmm, bear down and complete some of these songs?’

Almost immediately, Sullivan received a phone call from Geffen chairman Eddie Rosenblatt informing him he was off the project. Such was Rose’s power at Geffen that he could behave pretty much as he liked.

The working partners that Geffen secured for him were a roll-call of rock-production royalty. Youth (real name, Martin Glover), who had enjoyed success as the bassist in UK post-punk outfit Killing Joke and produced albums such as The Verve’s Urban Hymns, was offered an unprecedentedly high – but undisclosed – share of royalties if he succeeded in getting Rose to move on with the record when it was in its early stages, which at the time consisted of 38 different songs.

Working in the pool room of Rose’s mansion, playing acoustic guitar himself while encouraging Rose to sing, he recalls how Rose ‘kind of pulled out, and said, “I’m not ready”’. Youth says that the singer’s mental state seemed fragile. ‘He was quite isolated. There weren’t very many people I think he could trust. It was very difficult to penetrate the walls he’d built up.’

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40. Scorched_Earth writes:

It was clear to everyone involved that Rose could not make up his mind. He instructed his studio engineers to keep recording any ideas the various musicians he’d invited into the fold came up with. As a result, Rose was being sent up to five CDs a week with different mixes of proposed songs. Eventually, he had more than 1,000 CDs and DATs (digital audio tapes). Then, four years in, Rose abruptly appeared to abandon the album completely in order to re-record Appetite For Destruction. He claimed new recording techniques would ‘spruce it up’.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, the re-recorded album never appeared (although to be fair, a ‘spruced up’ version of Sweet Child O’ Mine did appear on the 1999 soundtrack of the Adam Sandler movie Big Daddy.)

By the time Zutaut arrived on the scene in 2001, Rose was back ‘working’ on Chinese Democracy. But getting involved in the project was no mean feat. Naturally enough, anyone working for Rose, from band members to cooks, had to sign confidentiality agreements containing stiff financial penalties for those who dared to divulge details of Rose’s bizarre private life.

All employees also had to submit a photograph of themselves, which Rose would then offer to guru Sharon Maynard for her ‘psychic inspection’ in order to reveal their true motives. Maynard even demanded pictures of potential employees’ children in order to read their spiritual auras more accurately.

Rose’s working routine had become so ragged he rarely showed his face at the studio, despite keeping all the musicians and engineers on a monthly retainer said to cost up to £130,000 depending on which line-up he was using at the time. Even the guitar technicians were paid around £3,000 a month; one ‘software engineer’ earned £13,000 each month.

As well as Zutaut, Universal also signed up former Queen producer Roy Thomas Baker. Rose was a huge fan of Queen and claimed the new material with which he had been wrestling resembled the work of the Seventies pomp-rockers. However, it was all to no avail. By Christmas 2001, with Chinese Democracy still no nearer to completion, Zutaut and Baker were both fired by Rose. Session artists would come and then go just as quickly. Even Buckethead finally bailed out in early 2004.

Universal’s patience finally ran out. In a letter dated February 2, 2004, the record giant informed Rose’s management company that, ‘having exceeded all budgeted and approved recording costs by millions of dollars, it is now Mr Rose’s obligation to fund and complete the album’.

The open tab at the recording studio was closed down. The band’s gear was packed away, and Rose retreated to his mansion.

Rose admitted, ‘So many times, I’ve come down [to the studio] with no idea what I was going to be able to do. If you are working with issues that depressed the c**p out of you, how do you know you can express it?’

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Outside the studio, his behaviour – on the rare occasions he was seen – was increasingly bizarre. In February 1998, he was arrested at Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix after getting into a fight with security staff. ‘I’ll punch your lights out right here and right now,’ he screamed at a guard who was doing a routine search of his baggage. ‘You are all little people on a power trip. Just put me in jail!’

They fulfilled his wish. Friends claim the incident happened because Rose was carrying gifts that he was taking for ‘review’ by Sharon Maynard – including a glass sphere – and he was worried the security personnel might break them. Maynard’s ability to ‘channel’ spirits has led Rose to believe he has lived many past lives.

At least one date on the last GN’R tour was cancelled after she expressed concerns about ‘energy fields’ in Minneapolis.

Rose apparently had ‘trouble’ in areas of the country that had a strong magnetic field. The tour was called off two weeks into its run after a series of no-shows by Rose provoked riots from fans. Following his visits to Maynard, Rose also underwent counselling from a past-life regression therapist named Suzzy London. She is said to have helped Rose ‘recover’ memories of childhood sexual abuse by his biological father William Rose, whom he didn’t know about until he was a teenager.

It is surprising Rose needed any more bad memories. William Rose had left when Axl was three, and Axl was raised by a stepfather, the fanatically religious Reverend L Stephen Bailey, whom Rose once described as ‘one of the most dangerous human beings I’ve ever met’. Rose claims that Bailey beat him regularly as a child. As one friend says: ‘This abuse is not an external issue for the singer, it’s at the core of his make-up.’

Other friends say, however, that the trouble lies closer to home. Rose has been married once, to Erin Everly, daughter of singer Don Everly, but the union was annulled in 1991. The huge house he lives in now was bought the following year when Rose was dating supermodel Stephanie Seymour.

Rose desperately wanted a child, and the couple planned to raise a family together. But Seymour fled in the wake of violent arguments, in particular at a Christmas party during which she alleged Rose smashed bottles, then grabbed her by the throat and dragged her barefoot through the broken glass. ‘His time with Stephanie was the first time in his life he had stability,’ says a friend. ‘When she left, he had nothing.’

Many of Rose’s friends feel that if he can just ‘get the monkey off his back’ – and release the album – normality may return to his life. There are now signs this might happen.

In September 2005, an internet rumour surfaced that Rose had talked to fans outside the electric gates of his mansion, giving them the news they were waiting to hear: that Chinese Democracy would be released at the start of 2006.

Since then, Rose and his manager have variously promised that the album would be released in March of this year, then November, then an ‘unspecified Tuesday’ before January 2007.

Rose has even been on tour this year, although the performances have been noted more for his eccentric behaviour than his music. Last month, he previewed a full version of Chinese Democracy to guests at his mansion. Former Skid Row glam rocker Sebastian Bach was there. ‘It was mind-blowing,’ says Bach. ‘The word for it is “grand”.’

Sources close to the singer say that Andy Wallace, the engineer who worked on Nirvana’s Nevermind album, is now working on the final touches to Chinese Democracy.

Even discounting Rose and his manager’s various promised deadlines, on November 8 this year a black-and-white video for There Was A Time appeared on the recently reactivated official Guns N’ Roses website. A television advert the same month for Harley-Davidson briefly featured an extract of new track Better – a satisfying blast with a chugging heavy-metal guitar underpinning Rose’s familiar wail.

In selected New York bars, Rose has swirled in and treated patrons to ten-song demos that ‘sounded finished’. It seems all Rose has to do is say the word, and the album can finally come out.

A couple of months ago, Merck Mercuriadis, who until recently was managing Rose, said, ‘I don’t know that we will announce a release date. You might just walk into your record shop one day and find it there.’ (Since then Merck has become the latest to fall out with the singer after a row last month.)

An internet announcement this month by Rose predicts a ‘firm’ release date of March 6, 2007. But as Rose himself said via the Guns N’ Roses website, ‘If you’re waiting, don’t. Live your life. That’s your responsibility, not mine. But if you’re really into waiting, try holding your breath for Jesus, ’cos I hear the payoff may be that much greater.’

‘WAR: W Axl Rose – The Unauthorised Biography’ by Mick Wall (Sidgwick & Jackson, £16.99) is out in May 2007

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42. BLACKDOG writes:

LOL....Look's like GnR4ever was right.He did'nt fire them.Good for you.enjoy this victory.The article confirmes we won the war.

What a Jackass Axl turned out to be.

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43. the antihippy writes:

still, we got to fill sorry axl. from what i read that guy probably have no friends. that's a very sad man.

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44. Diamond Oz writes:

Just like Al Gore. He's super serial.

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45. slayerdisciple writes:

lol he's super serial but no one takes him serial

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46. Diamond Oz writes:

ChineseDemocracyPig is real! I'm super serial!!!

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47. slayerdisciple writes:

me the guy who finally released ChineseDemocracyPig an a$$hole? i dont think so

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48. Diamond Oz writes:

Hahaha! South Park is amazing.

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49. slayerdisciple writes:

hell yea especially that episode i havnt laughed so hard in the longest time

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50. Diamond Oz writes:

Yeah man. That and the one with Family Guy was great! Oh! And the one with Scientology! Ah f*** it they're all good!

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51. Axl Rose writes:

hey stop dissing me man!

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52. godlike writes:

sorry

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53. Jackrum writes:

South Park is superb...

Eric Cartman is the funniest cartoon character to ever walk the earth, scott tenorman must die is proof of this.. i'm super serial...
Maybe Al gore and Axl should team up and go tell the wrold about chinesedemocracybearpig...

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54. godlike writes:

I grew up with the original Scooby Doo in the 70s... so it was a nice surprise to see cartoons like the Simpsons come along in the late 80s/early 90s, then there was the ever amazing Beavis and Butthead, when that hit TVs it took cartoon humor to a whole new level.!!!
At this point..I have to say, that Family Guy is my favorite cartoon...The humor in that is so unreal at times...Even as old as I am, I catch stuff on that show that I cant imagine being said on TV..much less by a cartoon character.. !! I think the funniest thing I ever heard was, the comment about the clitoris being natures rubiks cube...hahaha..that is still funny just writing it..
As far as funniest cartoon character to walk the earth..I think sometimes that is George W Bush..some of the idiotic things that come out of his mouth are priceless...

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55. Jackrum writes:

unfortunatly GWB aint a cartoon, although he is as annoying as scrappy doo and as retarded as a braindead sea cucumber.

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56. slayerdisciple writes:

lol, Bush was hilarious as a character of American Dad and South Park in the episode with the Harley Boys, Family Guy is possibly the best show ever, Aqua Teen Hunger Force is a close 2nd along with Beavis and Butthead

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57. the antihippy writes:

i thought there's a cartoon called "little george bush" that u can get on mobiles.

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58. Jackrum writes:

Anyone seen the 2DTV version of Bush? pure genius, he used a sock puppet to advise him on world issues..
Although that might actually be a true rendering of his staff meetings..
Family guy would be perfect if Cartman was in it. Although stewie and Cartman would end up killing each other.

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59. Diamond Oz writes:

If you remember though, Cartman hates Family Guy!

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60. Jackrum writes:

Indeed, but i reckon he fears stewie as competition for most F***ed up cartoon character ever. Although Ren would kick all arse in cartoon fights.
well any that didnt include Transformers.

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61. the antihippy writes:

seriously though, all you grown up adults talking about cartoons. =)

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62. Justcurious writes:

Insanity is defined and doing the same thing over and over again the same way and expecting different results.
it takes a lot for someone to speak their mind as he did in Civil war, all of what he spoke was true, at least now we have come to realize. He was ahead of his time. Insanity or being in hell in one's own mind is far too intense for anyone to understand who has not been there.
So stop attacking he' s probably far more accomplished than any one of you.

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63. BLACKDOG writes:

And remember folk's .That statement came from someone who's just curious.

If he's that much more accomplished then he would not have chased away his band mates & we'd of got this disc no more than 7-8 yrs AGO !!!!!!!!....He'd be putting the finishing touches on something else right now.

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64. Scorched_Earth writes:

I am amazed at how the media has created this binary situation where if you say something true and potentially negative, then you are attacking. Simply put, I really don't give a rats a$$ about Axl-either way. Had he actually put out the record 10 years ago, I wouldn't have bought it then because of the shxt he said on the 'Spaghetti Incident EP'. That is not the issue though. Simply put, he has not done his job as an artist, musician or anything else by 10 years of being irresponsible, hypercontrolling and screwing his bandmates out of money and oppurtunity. It's the truth, not an 'attack'. HE did it. Don't ask me to feel sorry for him. f*** 'im.

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65. Jackrum writes:

Agreed...
Screwing your bandmates out of cash and gig oppertunities isnt very professional is it axl???

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66. BLACKDOG writes:

Ounce againe.....What more can I say.

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67. BLACKDOG writes:

Scorched Earth The Speghetti incident is the only Disc I don't have.What did he say ? Was it worse than one in a million ?

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68. Scorched_Earth writes:

My bad-isnt that the one with '1 in a Million' on it? The sad fact is that I'm not at all a fan but it seems like all I talk about here is Slayer, GnR and Metallica! LOL!

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69. Diamond Oz writes:

Likewise I don't have Spaghetti Incident but I heard the Charles Manson song that was a hidden track and thought they did a pretty good job. I heard they deleted that from later issues though. True?

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70. BLACKDOG writes:

One in a million is actually on GnR lies.With one of my 5 faveorite GnR song's.Patience(I was involved in a turbulent relationship etc.etc.Enough of my personal soap opera)This song represented what was going with me at the time.He redeemed himself with an honest(or what seemed to be honest explanation unlike enselmo)explanation and then going so far as to befriend N.W.A.(the other most dangerous group in music) who he was apparently a big fan of.Does not change the fact he's a d*** though.

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71. JustCurious,again! writes:

By all means don't feel sorry for him, reading the article that scorched earth recommended has made me look at him in a whole new light. Guns-n-Roses is past tense, he will never be able to meet up to those standards again. they are just a band that I, personally look back on to remember my adolescence......but he obviously has MENTAL issues, whether self induced or not, if he smoked and had cancer and was a d*** there would be less said. Let him sit in his mansion..it's prob. safer for everyone. I have read the words for the music on Chinese democracy..they make no sense, if they are truely the lyrics. G-n-R is dead, but the first 2 cd's were awesome in my opinion.

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72. Scorched_Earth writes:

BlackDog-You are right-it is 'GnR lies'-my bad.

JustCurious-Damn-I feel like I ruined your day, sorry!

I think Axl's just taken the prima donna thing way too far...

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73. BLACKDOG writes:

If only Curt Cobain had the physicality needed to punch him out.

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74. Diamond Oz writes:

I'm sure Scott Weiland would happily do it.

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75. BLACKDOG writes:

I would not put it past him.

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76. the antihippy writes:

what can i say. glam metal sucks.

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77. Azazel_Begotten writes:

DimaondOz, lol!
Axl will suck til the day he dies

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78. UNKNOWN writes:

GNR is awsome but i think there prime time is over now an its time to let some of the newer bands come in after the montral consert in 1994 i lost intrest in gnr sorrry guys

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79. gnr4ever writes:

Scott fight Axl? Too funny, Axl's in great shape, Everyone says he's fat, the guy use to weigh 100 pounds back in the day, now he's healthy and been working out hard. He would knock the unoriginality out of WEILAND. Scott is a fraud. He's a junky piece of sh**, I love how nobody talks about how he screwed over S.T.P bandmates, I guess you all like to save the negativaty for Axl. Oh and if you didn't know that One in a million was on gnr lies get off the Axl bashing, you have no clue what's to come. Oh and there is plenty of room for new bands to emerge. Axl has given them plenty of time. Tough to follow Chinese democ though....Anyhow, I have to listen to Contraband, I'm trying to get sick so I don't have to work.

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80. Scorched_Earth writes:

GnR4ever-Your reverence for Axl is just scary. Yes, Weiland did screw STP by not showing for a few shows and breaking off ties with the band...sound familiar? Maybe he learned it FROM Axl who has a history of doing this, walking off stage, forcing band members to sign away rights by threatening not to go on stage and causing riots to upstage other bands...dude-like whoever you want-but call a spade a spade.

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81. godlike writes:

Hey, whatever happened to the Axl bashing....??

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