Metallica To Work With Rick Rubin?
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Total Rock reports that there are strong rumours that Metallica will work with Slayer/Red Hot Chili Peppers producer Rick Rubin on their next album. If true, this would mean the end of a lengthy collaboration with Bob Rock, stretching back to the 'Black Album'.
Metallica will headine the Coca-Cola Colab Massive Mix festivals in South Africa, marking their first ever visit to the continent. The shows are as follows:
Mar. 18 - Supersport Park, Centurion (situated between Johannesburg and Pretoria)
Mar. 21 - ABSA Stadium, Durban
Mar. 25 - Green Point Stadium, Cape Town
METALLICA's follow-up to 2003's "St. Anger" is expected to surface in late 2006/early 2007 via Warner Bros.
Source: Total Rock
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158 Comments on "Metallica To Work With Rick Rubin?"
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5. writes:
This will be f***ing incredible if true!! A change of faces at HQ can only mean good things for Metallica, especially if the change comes in the shape of a new producer.
I can see some great parallels in which Rick could really flourish in Metallica's recording process. Think about it, with Ricks experience with Slayer and the Chillis, this culd potentially encourage the thrash metal side of the band once again out of James Lars and Kirk., while his influence on Rob could also prove to be a masterstroke. . .just listen to flea.
Im sure Metallica will sound different with Rick producing them, but by the same token, it all comes down to the four guys and what they write in the end. A producer can only guide them.
I can f***ing wait
6. writes:
hmmm maybe we should just wait to see if this comes through i aint gonna hold my breath just incase i doesnt come through and i get dissapointed....imagine if they worked with devin from syl although maybe a little less experianced and mainstream as rubin im sure somthing really unique would come of that.....For now i just hope they make somthin better than the last few albums for the love of metal it better be alot better than st anger..i f***ing hate that album.
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9. writes:
God I hope this is true...Bob Rock has done nothing but suck the life from Metallica. I know people loved the Black Album...but let's be honest...that was the very beginning of a huge fall from glory for the band. I will celebrate the day I know Rock is gone...he is all that is wrong with the music industry. If you all saw "Some Kind of Monster" you will know exactly what I am talking about. Good riddance...hopefully.
12. writes:
This could be something good, if Rick listens to Metallica's work and understands just what type of music they play. And i pray to the metal gods that Rick doesn't just come in and try to make them into something other than Metallica. I wait on the "edge of my seat" if you will, for the next Album/Masterpiece.
15. writes:
ITS JUST A F**KING RUMOR!. None of it is based in anything factual. The only thing that could possibly support this is the fact that Bob Rock is slated to begin working with Motley Crue on a new album this spring....supossedly when Metallica will begin the recording process. Yes its good to see few negative Metallica comments instead of massive bash epics, but it just proves the bullsh** that is most metalheads today.... you dont have a problem with the band.. just the producer because he "changed them".. thats bullsh** in itself... Metallica write the damn music.. Bob Rock doesnt. If you think your gonna get a thrash album out of Metallica with Rubin at the board your f'n nuts. Its not what there about anymore, there still metal.. just not thrash. Its called evolution, change.. and it happens.
16. writes:
oh god i hope this is true - bob rock represents in a very real and actual way the beginning of the end of metallica's individuality, prowess and - well - goodness. sorry bob, but you should stay where you belong; producing albums for the artists that SHOULD be having mainstream hits (ie shltney spears). and to the guys in metallica; i can inly hope this rumour turns out to be truthful - it's bloody well about time you got rid of bob rock. he hasnt helped.
17. writes:
I think that would be an amazing match, but I really don't think it's gonna happen. Lars recently did an interview where he said that it was up to Bob whether he produced the next record. He said that as long as Bob wants to do it, he's the man who will. I personally rather see Metallica hook up with somebody else, like Rick Rubin. I don't think Bob has helped Metallica achieve much aside from the Black Album. I think the potential of doing anything new an intventive with Bob has been exhausted.
If anybody could pull a great metal album out of those guys is Rick Rubin. We'll see what happens.
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19. writes:
if they are so good, why the hell aren't they producing their own albums??????? i still say they're only half as good as people think. very good garage band though, i'll give them that. right up there with twisted sister. not as good as megadeth, armored saint, or godsmack though. just one opinion, don't freak out now.
21. writes:
Truillo diden't have any influence on st. anger. Matter of fact he diden't even record that album, but I'm sure his influence on the new record will be a revalation for metallica. And getting rid of bob c*** rock is what they should of done the day they hired him. Rubin will make sure the new album rocks. It will be the best one since Justice.
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28. writes:
I give them credit for trying to grow-It's not like you have a lot of variation doing the music their doing...sorry its just true. I grew up with them from the demos and don't like a lot of what they've done, but-you know, they're 40-something...they shouldn't sound like a bunch of drunk 17 year olds...I remember when everyone lost it over 'Fade to Black'...they need to try a few things, but they've got the wrong kind of fans if they want to be adventurous...
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29. writes:
heh.
We're not getting the old Metallica back but we might be getting something closer to quality.....Rubins worked with Slayer.
I imagine Rubin will try to lead them away from the trite vocal, guitar and song structure garbage they've been up to since Load.....
He did that with the Red Hot Chili Peppers....He had them drop (most) of the cheese and filler and jerking off and kept the good stuff.....or as good as RHCP can get anyway...
If Metallica doesnt try to sound like mall-core, nu-metal or that horrific gar(b)age sh** ...we should be spared a bigger letdown than St. Anger.
Maybe Rubin can even help with the soggy lyrics we've been getting since Load as well.....If they let Rob contribute we might even get some real instrumental aggression.
31. writes:
i'm almost ashamed to admit it, but there are more than a few rhcp songs that i quite enjoy. poor me.
worst metallica album? garage inc (st anger is NOT metallica. it just isnt) - i think the only song that i really got into in an amused, bouncy sorta way on garage inc was die my darling, which i will confess to enjoying immensely. so long as their new album doesnt resemble st anger or garage inc, i'll be more than happy, i'm sure.
32. writes:
hey psythe the worst metallica album is st. anger by far, i enjoyed garage inc and though it was a step up from there down slide but i was wrong and they now the worst album i've ever heard st. anger. i think they need a serious re-think of what they are and there roots. st anger, reload, load, metallica are all down hill albums getting worse as they go along. i hope there new album resembles some thing new with there old school touch!!
33. writes:
Well not everyone can agree on everything I personaly love Garage Inc. with the covers of there influences like Black Sabbath, Thin Lizzy, The Misfits, Mercyful Fate, hell even the Anti-American League which I would have never known who they were if it wasn't for that cover. But I respect everyone's opinion cause that what makes us different.
However I can't listen to St. Anger not even a minute. As for this news I hope is f***ing true. This Bob Rock collaboration has gone long enough, he's responsible for that piece of crap album St. Anger.
I only wish Lars would quit also, I dislike his superstar attitude. Plus I hate the way he talks, like if he was the bastard son of Bill and Ted. Like Dudeeee..Seriously the guy is on an ego trip. Just play the Drums and shut up.
Still I cannot hate or dislike Metallica no matter how much crap they put out or how much they sold out, cause that would be hypocritcal of me and disloyal. However just because I have a certain respect for them, doesn't mean I'm gonna f***ing buy every album they put out or anything with there f***ing logo on it.
But Godamn I really love Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning. Let's not forget Kill'em all.
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36. writes:
hokay, i think you all got me completely wrong here - st anger is so obviously metallica's worst album that i didnt even bother including it as a metallica album at all. with that in mind, garage inc is their next album i least like (although, with all due consent, probably because it's the one i've least listened to).
master of puppets is the album every compares every other release they put out to, but my favourite of them all has gotta be ...And Justice For All, closely (extremely closely) followed by Ride The Lightning.
If they could find someone to replace Lars that isnt a dlck but can play equally well (or better), that would be beyond excellence.
Bob Rock = Bad Rock. it's a simple and definitive equation.
as for the new album, i have two hopes: firstly, that Mr Rock will have an unexpected accident involving a bucket of quick-set concrete and a deep lake, and secondly that it'll be more to the tune of metallica's earlier efforts (or if not, still good anyway).
37. writes:
Interesting comments by Machine Head:
Machine Head Cover Metallica's 'Battery' For 'Master Of Puppets' Tribute
(Source: Blabbermouth.net)
MACHINE HEAD drummer Dave McClain has posted the following message on the group's official web site:
"What's up f***ers?!! Thought I'd take a minute to fill you all in on what we've been up to this week.
"So Kerrang! magazine is doing a tribute to METALLICA's 'Master of Puppets' — being that it's the 20th anniversary of one of the most kick-ass and influential albums in metal history — where they'll have a different band covering each song from the album, and they asked MACHINE HEAD to be a part of it. We happily accepted, and chose 'Battery' as the song we'd like to cover.
"'Master of Puppets' is an album that we all hold in very high regard. Even at the ripe age of 20, it's still a mainstay of our music 'rotation' backstage before shows and while getting drunk afterward, so we really wanted to do the song justice and play it as close to the original version as possible.
"Me, I have to give it up to Lars [Ulrich, METALLICA drummer]... I know he seems to be everyone's whipping boy these days but, learning the tune (not that I didn't respect him before) was not only a lot of fun, but quite a learning experience too. Some of the sh** he does is so off the wall and outside the norms of conventional drumming... think I'll have to be stealing some of that for the new album!
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I've never thought of Lars as an innovative drummer, but then again, I don't play drums.
Its funny how so many people hate Lars, but ultimately, he was right about the whole Napster thing. Sean Fanning (from Napster) is a punk little b****, and musician deserve to get paid for the work they produce, no matter what...
38. writes:
Lars gets whipped coz he's an arrogant kid, not because he cant play drums. i mean, he can definitely drum it up. but he's still a dlck. and yeah, you really should get paid for whatever you do, whether it's write books, write music, or go to the beach. ha, i wish! although, money would devaluate proper fast. i mean, twenty dollars would be worth a quarter in a matter of days! damnit, way to foil my ingenius plan, economy!
40. writes:
Yeah Its become increasingly evident to me in higndsight that, dude when St Anger was recorded, there was hardly a Metallica!!! Jason had just left, James left, a pop producer was the bands bass player!! This album was brought to life under f***ed circumstances all around!! Anyone who is in a band knows that when personal sh** happens it indirectly effects the music of a band. . .i honestly couldnt think of a worse scenario for a band to be recording an album under. (except death)
Keep in mid im not making excuses for them eevn though i love metallica. . .but just consider that. ..doesnt change the album, but makes more sense
41. writes:
wow, i didnt know hetfield left! dunno how i managed to miss that! sheesh, that does change a lot - obviously he was still on the album, though.
regardless, bob needs to go (it's been said so much now that i figured once more wouldnt hurt too much), and the album gayed it up. that's been said lots, too. and it's no wonder why.
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43. writes:
Nothing is gonna bring back metallica!!! We've been waiting for more than 15 years to hear a kick a$$ 'tallica album, and they've been playing fool giving us crappy sh**(load,re-load,garage,s&m....)and staining thier name again and again...St. Anger is one of the worst albums i've ever heard. Now they must be called KORNTALLIKA!!!!!LOL ....i mean this guys suck, all they care about is money...look a t what megadeth has done, they mesed it up once with risk, but they managed to clean their names and give us a glorious return!!! If metallica was to do that...they would've done it LONG AGO!!!! By the way....Lars sucks, i mean the 80's are over...in those years he could've been the sh**, but now he's nothing, everyone canplay like him and much much better, we all know that......even kirk, i mean he has legendary solos, but the faster ones he can't play them live!!!He has no accuracy....really, instead of being proud of had been a huge fan of them...I'm embarrased!!!!!! Metallica sucks.....Slayer, megadeth, pantera, etc....they thrashed and still thrashed!!!!
44. writes:
You're a f***ing idiot!!! Yeah, sure a lot of people have issues with the last fifteen years of their career, but at least most everybody else has something intelligent to say about it. You're just a sh** talking weasel. Where's your band motherf***er? Can you pull off Kirk's solos? Can you drum as well as Lars? What the hell have you done? Yeah, Slayer, Megadeth rock harder these days, but that's Slayer and Megadeth, not Metallica!
What's even more pathetic than the last fifteen years of Metallica is the fact that people like you are still b****ing about it fifteen years later. Get over it! We all know that Metallica is not a thrash band anymore. Nothing is gonna bring back Metallica...from 1986! That was 20 years ago! If that's what you want, go build a time machine, and go live 1986 over and over again. Stop f***ing whining about it, and don't buy their next album!
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45. writes:
heh...Megadeth fell off track before "Risk" Devor....They've never released something as perfect as "MoP" either....Not saying Megadeth suck, they've maintained their integrity better than Metallica has, they were just never as good.
The only 'classic/popular' act that didn't f*** themselves by changing is Pantera....
I wasn't into Damage Plan....but it wasn't bad and more importantly it wasn't Pantera....Pantera will probably have the most glossy discogrpahy in terms of no sh**ty albums, no departures that sucked, no trying to reach pop-charts, nothing.
Metallica have f***ed themselves with a splintery telephone poll.
Now, thats not to say that things can't get better, they can.....
With Rick Rubin we may get something that passes for serious thrash and sturdy lyrics....Rubin won't put his name on sh** he doesn't like......
I'll cross my fingers but I won't be holding my breath.
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47. writes:
that's because Lars drumming is to the lyrics, it's a completely different style listen closely and he's drumming to James' lyrics and not the guitar so that's why he isn't as good, but that doesn't mean he's not a good drummer heck, he's not the best but he's so much better than me!
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48. writes:
Alot of people have posted that we will never see the 86 style thrash again and its over. Well call me an optimist but I believe it can be done. I mean, the proof is I could pick a my guitar now and write in that style, I would probably be average but still. Someone just needs to kick that into Hetfields head. But if he makes me waste another 30 bucks on a sh**ty cd, with even a hint of wah I'll kick down his door and demand it back.
50. writes:
I would have to disagree with you there remembermetal?, becuase Rust In Peace is in my opinion better than Master Of Puppets, also megadeth did not fall of track before risk they were going a little mainsteam as was others. but unlike metallica, megadeths discography is more constant as to the last 15 years of metallica's discography is a total joke, (st. RELoad) horse sh**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well that point all of us can agree on. lol.
52. writes:
I am a METALLICA fan. But, I just can't shake the feeling that the forthcoming album can only be as good to extent which the four horsemen throw themselves into the writing/recording process. Also, I disagree with DAMAGE INC.'s assessment that the producer can do little more than guide them. In my estimation, he is the (n+1)th member of a mand, where "n" is the number of players. If the producer doesn't like a written song or recording take, he'll demand it be reworked or scrapped (case in point: erstwhile MAIDEN producer Martin Birch). The best producers can take average material and make it good or take good material and make it great.
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53. writes:
I'm not arguing that Megadeth didn't stay more true over the long haul....That would be impossible.....
I happen to like RTL and MOP better than Megadeths best ventures, but thats just me.....I think the lyrics are slightly better and the solos more moving....Mustaine might have the edge on riffs....I dunno....Either way though, I think "Master of Puppets" and "Ride the Lightning" have aged better.....Again, thats just me.
I think Metallica would have been in better hands if someone like Machine, Zeus or Devin Townsend were behind the boards...but Rubin is still a better choice than Bob Rock.....
54. writes:
metallica has been around for 24 years? they have 8 studio albums? only 3 of those albums were good, and those were during the first 6 yars of their career. do the math, it means metallica has sucked for 18 years and hasn't put out a quality record in that long, and haven't played a quality live show in about 15 years.
let go people, metallica sucks now and has nothing to offer you.
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56. writes:
it's actually pretty simple. the moment cliff died was the moment that things changed in metallica. cliff was such a unique player with an innovative approach to songwriting. cliff is what made Ride and Master. they ripped of mustaine, blah blah blah what the f*** ever. if you can listen to those albums, cliff is the real brains behind their epic sound. without cliff, metallica is not a whole lot more than a rock band...a great rock band in my opinion, but not much more. they continued in that direction with Justice, but the production alone on that record made it obvious that they needed direction without cliff. so, they made the choice to go with bob rock, and yes, a producer has a huge impact on the sound of an album, song structure and so forth. on the production end, up until st. anger, i think bob did good things for metallica. the black ablum still to this day sounds f***ing huge! musically, i think bob should stay the f*** out of it, and just do what he does best...say "we're rolling", and hit the record button.
the change i want to see in metallica is that i think they've been trying too hard for too long to always do something different. accept what you are, and do what you do best, which was thrash for them. when you try too hard to be different, you lose your direction all together.
One more thing. Just my opinion, but nothing Megadeth has ever done will be as good as MOP.
If that pisses you off, well I think the album sales speak for itself.
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60. writes:
i just plain dont like Mustaine. it's not usual for me to hold grudges at all, but as soon as i hear the sounds of Mustaine (singing, not guitaring, he's alright at that) i hate my face. and the guy can NOT write lyrics. he lacks that perception that is evident in Hetfield's better songs. i reckon if megadeth had a different frontman, i'd like them lots. but Mustaine blew it.
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63. writes:
Just face it, it's too late for Hetfield. Ever since he tried to "sing" his voice f***ing sucks. It's embarrassing to listen to. They should have given up quile a long time ago, but their stubborness (which helped them in the beginning of their career) ended up hurting them and making them persist when they should have called it a career. They suck so bad now....it's like anything that goes beyond its shelf-life.....pathetic and sad.
-former metallica fan since '86.
64. writes:
metallica did the stupidest thing by fireing dave mustaine sorry metallica but you lost to person you fired, maybe you'll make a good album since '91 only if you rip off some more riffs from mustaine but thats not ganna do much seeing as you cant play your instument anymore, right...as for mustaine and co. they'll be back with two more albums before you even make one!!!!!!!!!!!!
btw, you also ripped off iron maiden who are clearly better than you so i'd give it up before you really embaris your selves...
66. writes:
You are all, to put it nicely, really stupid
I WILL NOT WASTE MY TIME READING OPINIONS OF PATHETIC FRAUDS WHO THINK THEY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BEING A METALLICA FAN. I HAVE BEEN A DEDICATED "M" FREAK SINCE 1983, AND HAVE SUPPORTED ANYTHING THAT HAS COME OUT MY SPEAKERS WHEN I PUT ONE OF THEIR ALBUMS ON. TOO BAD YOU ARE NOT AT MY LEVEL. THE "SKIP BUTTON" NEVER GETS TOUCHED WHEN I LISTEN TO THEIR ALBUMS. SEE I AM A FAN. ANYTHING JAMES TOUCHES IS MAGIC IN MY EYES. YOU WOULD ALL HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU ARE NOT A FAN! OH WELL, MORE SONGS FOR ME!!! SUCKERS!!!! IT'S MY WORLD, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT!!!! YOU'LL SUFFER UNTO ME,
HARVESTER OF SORROW
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67. writes:
You blindly think everything they put out is great and your calling us stupid? I don't give a f*** how cool the guys in bands are, if they don't put out music I like, I won't like their band.
Plus War Ensemble, Hetfield + Ulrich + Mustaine = Way to much f***ing ego.
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68. writes:
I think everyone has to understand Metallica's ego. Can anyone tell them what to do, are they still going to produce the same absolute sh** they done with St. Anger or are they going to produce another Justice for All. Its fine saying your the biggest Metallica fan in the world but some people are blinded by it, nothing has been the same since the black album and every f***er knows it.
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70. writes:
that doesnt make u a fan to like everythin that is touched by hetfield, it makes u a hardcore fan, actually beyond harcore, a fan is someone who likes them despite sh** that happens for ex. st. anger, a hardcore fan is just someone who buys there albums despite the fact that they r sh**, no u just like it cause it was by hetfield so ur beyond and theres nothin wrong with that cause metallica is my fav.
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71. writes:
I agree slayerdisciple, Im a massive metallica fan nothing can beat the first five albume. I like the load albums, good albums for a good band, Metallica are not a good band they are meant to be the best and their previous albums have not been close to what they should be.
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73. writes:
Please answer this question. Explain to me what in the f**** is wrong with load and reload and st. anger. If you could outline this for me that would be great. Of course the obvious answer is that it doesn't sound like the old stuff. Well, here's a newsflash. It isn't the old stuff!!!!!! The tallica boys have grown and matured, and have gained lots of experience in the music scene. They are not 19 yr old social deviants any more. I love how they stripped all of the essentials from St. Anger. They can do whatever the F*** they want. They do not care what the naysayers say about their new stuff. They care about true fans' opinions. If anyone can name any band that is better, please let me know. I'm in the mood for a good laugh.
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74. writes:
I agree brother, the fact is, is Metallica so big it doesnt matter what producer they get, they wont listen. I had to put my name on a three month waiting list to hear St Anger and when I heard it I nearly f***ing cried. It was that bad, Hettfield is losing his power, Lars carries on like a robot and Hammet isnt even there, and f*** the bassist bob rock done it in the recording studio any way, whats the f***ing point.
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75. writes:
Harvester, im not a negative fan brother, you know and i know they can do a lot better. They have had the most effect on any band in recent history. Lightning, Master and the Black album were that big it changed the course of metal, St Anger is not near and I hope it changes.
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78. writes:
"Please answer this question. Explain to me what in the f**** is wrong with load and reload and st. anger."
I can't be bother typing out a full list so I'll put some major gripes.
L & Rl
Exessive pentatonic wah wanking/lack of decent solos
Lack of speed and agression
Simplistic rock riffing - far from metal
St Anger
Huge f***ing songs that repeat sections unnecessarily (an almost unbearable aspect)
Simplistic hard rock riffs, detuned to sound metal
Lack of any solos to add any highlights to bland songs
Boring introspective lyrics
Production - Just f***ing horrible!
No sh** its not like the old stuff. Point is if they want to make boring hard rock they should have changed their name to Hardrockica (or something witty) to save fans of the old stuff wasting money.
"They do not care what the naysayers say about their new stuff. They care about true fans' opinions."
Haha, TRUE fans? You mean suck a$$ yes men. TRUE fans would speak their mind not mindless say everything they do is awesome. BTW Metallica are probably tied with Cynic for my all time fav band, I think every thing before Load is classic.
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81. writes:
Alright, f***s, listen the f*** up so we can settle this once and for all.
-Metallica is not your personal f***ing rock n' roll b****.
-Metallica has, and always shall, create whatever the f*** suites their fancy, be it metal, hard rock, or animal porn set to a pop beat (and you WILL f***ing pay for it.)
-Metallica does not make their motherf***ing albums for YOU - to incorrectly and abortively quote Lars "blah blah blah...this is f***in' OUR sh**...if you like it, you're invited along. If not, there's the door."
And to the f***tards that say that "LOAD AND RELOAD ARE NOT THE TR00 METALLICA!!!11 one one"...quit f***ing talking, hmm?
I personally would prefer that Metallica put out sincere hard rock albums rather than playing the same tired old sh** just to keep f***ers like you happy.
Kthxbai. No further discussion required.
Oh - I'll probably be too lazy to return to this thread, so to all the f***s that b**** and moan and call me GAY and RETARDED, f*** you in advance.
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83. writes:
wow.............
It actually took longer for this thread to degenerate then I thought it would. We made it nearly a hundred posts without anyone being called brain damaged homosexuals.....
Metallica aren't anyones pocket band, thats for f***ing sure....but they've certainly left the ENTIRE FAN BASE out in the cold....Not one thing about the last 3 offerings even reflect on what they were from 1982-1990.
Granted, some fans have stuck by their bands side during what can more or less be considered a musical famine....Thats what being a fan is.....But an entire lifetime can be lived in the span since Metallica gave us something that can be considered CLASSIC and everyone with an ounce of gray matter between their ears have noticed the decline.
I for one would love to see a phoenix rising from the ashes instead of this snake eating it's own tail sh**.
As I said (post 29) and Brad mentioned (post 76) Rubin has aided in making Slayer's most noteworthy album.....We can at least cross our fingers.
84. writes:
All i care about is the record- SOLOS have been promised, A DECENT DRUM SOUND has been promised and i don't really care if the rest of its sh** if there are solos and Lars isn't playing on BINS it'll be a damn fine record!! and if Het gets his act together it'll be a FUKING AWESOME RECORD!!!
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89. writes:
everyones opinion is right, not everyone likes the same stuff and no one is stupid or retarded for that opinion. i dont care who produces as long as bob rock isnt on bass, james isnt 3 months out of rehab, and lars is not drumming on cooking pots, and kirk blasts some hard core solo's again, and maybe rob will bring something they didnt know he had yet. i think they can get it all together for one more bad a$$ album..........im at least willing to give them one more chance........
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91. writes:
Yeah, there is a a petition out for fans to sign to try to get Metallica to part ways with Bob.
Over 18,000 people have signed it. It's pretty crazy. I signed it to. The time has come to enter a new phase for Metallica.
http://www.petitiononline.com/SaveMet/petition.html
If you want to sign it to.
95. writes:
The Truth is... it would not make difference who the producer is? only thing is the band it self so maybe they should make a petition on a good album, please....if you actually listen to there latest 15 years of discography it's pure trash. is it metallica's come back time now~! YES!! i'd like to think so, but metallica have stabbed there fans in the back to many times...bob rock could have been the reson but truth is he did he's best and falied!!!!!!!!!!!!!
96. writes:
Like many others, when Metallica saw THAT level of success with the Black Album, why mess with the winning combination? To me, their albums have been WAY too polished since Justice, thanks to Bob Rock. Well, Rubin... he'd do a great job with Metallica. The same goes with Toby Wright and Andy Wallace
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98. writes:
I think a big problem with their new stuff is that too much of it is jammed out rather than written out, hence the lack of speed and technicality thats a mainstay of thrash. They must have had a different writing process back in the day and I think they should return to that. The main riff of Some Kind Of Monster versus say, any riff on Justice show a pretty big difference.
Plus, as a guitarist I can tell you drop tuning promotes lazy playing, back to E me thinks.
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111. writes:
f*** YEAH!!! thank god, i was starting to wonder if they realized that they had gone as far as they could with Bob Rock. They made their mainstream money, now its time to go back to some old school, first 5 level sh**. (i did like Load thru Inc., but at the very best, they were still albums of a lesser era. I could only defend Anger for about 2 weeks though, as the a$$ production simply killed it for me. Thanks Bob, just because you helped make Black doesnt mean you had to do that with Anger. d***.)
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112. writes:
Good......I'm not getting my hopes up...but good....
I'd still rather have Zeus, Machine or Devin Townsend helming this thing but Rick Rubin is not Bob Rock....
Infact, Rubin makes everything sound like quality even if it lacks substance...So we're atleast going to get something "decent".....
Best Metallica news since...Well, since I caught the video premier for "One" when I was 8.....Thats really sad.
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115. writes:
Everybody go to the Metallica site and get a load of the studio update
I quote "Since this Rick dude is new to all of this, we thought it would be a nice gesture to help break him into the music business by asking him to produce our next record. We're very happy he said yes! In other words, we are psyched to share with you that Rick Rubin is producing the next Metallica album! f*** YEAH!"
RICK IS PRODUCING PEOPLE, HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!!!
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118. writes:
all arrows are certainly pointing towards a very heavy album, the tides seem to be turning all over the metal world, Overkill and Exodus' 2005 releases have been the heaviest, most aggressive and best albums from those two particular bands to date! Rick Rubin teaming up with Metallica has been the best news i've read in a long time, and to me means Metallica have decided to follow suit and get someone with ba11$ to replace Bob Rock. Let's hope i'm right.
119. writes:
Metallica hypes up every new album and it's never what they say it's gonna be. And Metallica's thrash downfall isn't Bob Rock's fault. The sh**ty sound of St. Anger was tho... Exodus are the reigning gods right now. That's all i gotta say. They're the only ones makin a blatant attempt to keep thrash alive nowa days. Ok and Slayer. They don't just the talk the talk. I still love Metallica but...wtf.
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120. writes:
Indeed. Metallica hype up every new album....In the same manner that every band(Slayer at this moment and Exodus not so long ago) does with their own new product....Albums rarely live up to their hype.
Metallicas downfall wasn't Bob Rock.
Metallicas downfall was losing Cliff Burton in a freak accident.
Metallica may have ended up making sh**ty records even if that accident had not taken place. The music industry machine has a way of distorting much of what it tocuhes.
Bob Rock did add insult to injury though....As seen with each Metallica record post AJFA....Producers are often more important to a bands sound than any individual member of the band....
121. writes:
if metallica works with rick rubin they would probably sound more more different probably better than anything bob f***** rock ever produced. some sh**ty producer bob rock worked with bon jovi for godsakes look where that went wrong its like metallica made kill em all , ride the lighting( which those 2 sucked) master of puppets( which kicked A**!) and their best album in my opinion and justice for all . then they f***ked themselves by collaborating rock career down the drain load and reload ok garage inc ok s/m ok st anger h*** no but they were heavy at one point and time before rock. bob rock gone yeah!
123. writes:
i can't believe some of you people Metallica was an amazing band at one point and obviously you do not know some of the sh** they put out back in the day ex: Phantom Lord, Fade to Black, FIght Fire with Fire, Trapped Under Ice, Orion, Puppets, Sanitarium, Damage inc., Harvester of Sorrow, To live is to die, Wherever I may roam, Sad but true etc. (so many more)......this band still means as much to me as they did before st. anger or any sh** they put out,literally they are the greatest ever. Metallica will reign once again
125. writes:
I love all of metallica's albums... even load, reload, and st.anger. as for rick rubin producing, i think the people will either love it or hate it. this is something new that metallica hasnt done in a while so we'll see what they give us.. hopefully rick rubin will give us a better sound than what bob rock gave us from st anger. that was my least favorite album as far as production goes. it all sounded too raw, or too garage bandish maybe...
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129. writes:
Well well, Rubin with mettallica finally !!! this is kinda promising, right now they have a pretty good bass player, a talented producer , james hetfield is out of rehab, seems like everything is lined up for something big, as a drummer, Lars is one of my favorite drummers, but his snare drum sound choice in St Anger was really a bad decision, the album woud've been really something else with the regular awesome Lars Ulrich snare sound !!!! and kirk hammet really need to put some huge solos (but reallu loose the WAH WAH, man it's to much !!!! we know kirk you like it but , enough's enough), anywho guys , I beleive that the next metallica will be something big. ( crossing fingers)
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132. writes:
yea mustaine didnt quit u dumb a$$ he got kicked out because he blows a$$ and how can megadeth sh** all over metallica when Megadeth has sold something like only 30 million albums and MetallicA has sold over 100 million...wow just another gay a$$ megadeth fan in denial of they're a$$ sucking
133. writes:
dave mustaine i think is a great gutiarist for megadeth but he was a f***kin drug addic and a prick he goes through more band members than anybody i know. face it even he kicked a!! in kill'em all still he isnt responsible for any mop material no f***kin way was he responsible! dave mustaine got his as* perpously thrown the f out because he was working with kerry king in 84 but he was on RTL call of ktlulu, ride the lighting. he only played one gig anyways
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135. writes:
yes thank u we knew that mustaine was kicked out because of his alcoholic addiction i was not serious wen i sed he sucks a$$ also if any one knew anything about metallica they would know that only about 10% of the solos in kill em all were actually mustaine solos. kirk changed almost all of the solos making them his own not mustaine's just so all u mustaine ruled on kill em all freaks he in fact did not. and eyeofthebeholder19 u know nothing he did not get purposly thrown out if u have ever seen the movie Some Kind of Monster Lars visits Mustaine and mustaine cries like a little girl and says how if he could go back he would have made it so that he could still be in metalica today so dont even try to say he wanted to get kicked out and another tidbit for all u megadeth minions who claim megadeth is better than Metallica mustaine admitted in the movie Some Kind of Monster that he knew that his own band Megadeth was in fact second best and Metallica was better
138. writes:
actually no i have not seen skom i want to but havent got chance! bob rock in my opinion is done with metallica and producing he made one metal album and that was it . i hope metallica goes with rick rubin as for mustaine you are right metal921 about dave's solos on kill em all but i couldnt picture no kirk hammett in metallica honestly .
141. writes:
I was mistaken. There are four albums before "Cowboys". I dig some Pantera and all but acting as if the first four recordings your band made don't exist is pretty weak. True, Phil only sings on the last of those four but check out their hair!! Looking back at Kill 'Em All I have to admit that bullet-belts and spandex pants is pretty funny but at least Metallica started off with attitude and agression, unlike the Abbott brothers who mysteriously became these 'metal heroes' after being hair-rock-glam-posseurs for almost 10 years. The two bands both started out at about the same time in 1981. Compare the 1st 10 years of their carreers. "Cowboys" came out ,I think, less than a year before the Black album. So "No Live 'Till Leather" demos, KEA, RTL, Garage-Days Revisited(Am i Evil, Blitzkreig), MOP, $5.98 e.p., AJFA (and other covers-Breadfan, the Prince ), Stone Cold Crazy single, The Black Album (and other covers - So What, Killing Time etc.) And in that same time span Pantera put out what? Four albums of original material that were apparently so awful and embarrassing to the band they they tried to act as if those releases never happened and tricked the whole world into thinking that their debut album was Cowboys From Hell. I haven't bought a Metallica disc since the Black one came out but at least I can cling to the hope that they really were cool as they seemed back in the day and just got caught up in the "star machine" along the way. Pantera indeed, have "the most glossy discography" even if it is only because of the make-up they used to wear before becoming cowboys. Maybe i will go see Brokeback Mountain after all.
142. writes:
One thing about Rubin is that he has the ability to pull creativity out of artists. He never tries to direct them in the pop direction, and he attacks projects with a firm understanding of the "true sound" of that band.
Also, artists seem to become possesed when working with Rubin. They seem to completely redirect themselves towards producing quality material.
143. writes:
pantera is great really and i like some of their material cemetary gates fu**** awesome. im hoping that rick rubin will do well metallica . he probably will who knows but one thing that pi**ed me off is when jason newsted left . newsted was great but robert trujillo i dont see a lot in him over a 3or4 year period with metallica im sorry
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144. writes:
I'm more than aware of Pantera's "Power Metal", "I am the Night", "Metal Magic" etc material.
That change was brought about largely by Anselmos attitude/taste and the Abbots tiring of the hair metal dynmaic.....My uncle got me into Pantera right when "Cowboys" (I think I was 11) came out but he had been in the know abit longer than most....Pantera was one of many bands whose popularity he "saw coming"....
And as I said...Pantera were one of the only bands who didn't f*** themselves by changing....When they changed it was obviously for the better....
147. writes:
METALLICA IS COMOING BACK THEY MIGHT NOT BE AS GOOD AS BEFORE BUT THEY WILL DEFIANATLY AT LEAST SOUND LIKE HOW THEY DID DURING THE BLACK ALBUM!!!
rick rubin will change metallicas history since the black album lets jsut hope they are going to do this task. no band has came between me and metallica even if there music still sucks. for the fans out there who hate them jsut becasue they sewed napster get a fu**ing life!! HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IF SOMEONE STOLE YOUR MUSIC FOR FREE!!!!!!! metallica does it for the money and becasue they love there music.
ive heard rumor that metallica might be goin to OZZFEST 06!!
which is great.. but its jsut a rumor thats been going around let hope its true!!!
148. writes:
yes finally sumone who doesnt call metallica sell outs because they do things like make music videos and want to make money, i mean why do u even become famous in the first place, no one can say that one reason in ur head isnt getting lots money. and even though load and reload werent the best albums, it doesnt mean metallica sucks yeah they werent the best but obviously they were good enough to be at number one on the album charts when they were released. and even though st anger is the worst cd made by metallica it still made it to number one, and if u actually listen to the cd its not that bad it has plenty of good songs like frantic, st anger, the unnamed feeling, sweet amber, my world, and invisible kid. the main thing wrong with that album is watever the hell lars decided to do with his ddrums making it sound like he's hitting trash cans
149. writes:
yeah lars needs to um lets get rid of the trash cans and get some drums that sound better . i dont no about any of you but i think metallica had their years no one can ever produce like justice and black album those 2 were there best albums ever. load and reload ok maybe st anger uhhnot really st anger and frantic ok. i would be cool if they could sound some what like the justice album that album rocked liked hell ! but true load and reload werent the best and for somebody to say that is rite but not necessary because where was rob playin on st anger no where to be heard hes a poor choice he really has talent but not metallica music
151. writes:
rob had no control on the recording of st anger he wasnt in the band until like a week before the MTV ICON special which was like only a month before the cd came out. bob rock played and wrote most of the bass parts on st anger that would be y u dont here any of the bass because bob rock blows rob had nothing to do with how the bass on st. anger came out
152. writes:
the black album was an ok album like one of the guys said above it was the start of the fall of the best thrash metal bands ever....... METALLICA still rules and st. anger wasnt that bad people admit that it was jsut lars's drums that fu**ed the album up... sounding like trash cans as u ssaid. and there was no solos which also killed it but ST. anger was better than load and reload you must admit that if they added solos to the songs i think the solo might be more of a succsful album.
and i think this new album they are working on is going to be good! (my opinion) because if u look at the pics from the bulletin the metallica posted of there new site about the new producer (rick rubin)
kirk is playing his guitar down low........ so that kinda a hint how we got some new solos in the next album...
and rob is a good bas player people... at least i think so...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!METAL UP YOUR ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
156. writes:
Hey guys....i just started listening to metallica about a year and a half ago. I used to listen to just rap/hiphop music in the past but got bored of it because it all sounds like crap to me now. Too much throwing money around and posing infront of cars...pretty lame if you ask me. But anyhow, someone i first bought the black album and loved it. Then i bought re-load and really loved that album too and then started listening to their 80's stuff and it took a while to grow on me but now it makes my hairs stand just listening to it. I can honestly say that i like every metallica album song to song from ride the lightning to Re-Load. I am not a blind metallica fan as some of you have accused others of being. I can honestly say i love every song in the albums i mentioned and thats why i am such a huge metallica fan. I think the reason that all of you complain is because most of you guys mainly listen to metal music and metallica is not as metal as they used to be.
But do you guys not agree that compared to a lot of crap on rock radio these days, does Load and re-load really sound that bad? I mean i love these albums as i do the black album. I want your guys opinion.
REMEMBER: THIS IS A GUY WHO DOES NOT LISTEN TO METAL MUSIC BUT LOVES ABSOLUTELY EVERY SONG ON EVERY ALBUM BETWEEN RIDE THE LIGHTNING AND RELOAD. i AM NOT A p***ed OFF 80'S FAN. jUST A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU GUYS. I AM SOMEONE WHO STRICTLY LISTENED TO RAP/HIP HOP MUSIC AND METALLICA HAS CHANGED THAT. BECAUSE OF METALLICA I AM NO LONGER ABLE TO LISTEN TO RAP/HIPHOP MUSIC. AND I HAVE TRIED TO LISTEN TO OTHER METAL BANDS BUT THEY DIDN'T APPEAL TO ME. I REALIZED THAT I DON'T EVEN LIKE METAL MUSIC, I ONLY LOVE THE MUSIC METALLICA HAS PUT OUT AND IN TURN I AM A DIE HARD METALLICA FAN. I AM NOT ABLE TO LISTEN TO ANY OTHER METAL BANDS BECAUSE THEY DON'T APPEAL TO ME....I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS....I THINK METALLICAS MUSIC IS JUST MORE SOPHISTICATED THEN OTHER METAL BANDS AND THATS WHY I CAN ONLY LISTEN TO THEM.
157. writes:
ok here is an ex-metallica fan prospect on it all. first off, they have'nt made a decent since self titled, second they have lost all respect for there fans saying that they turned there back on them though the ninties (wich is hog sh!t) and then stabing all metal fans in the back with st.anger, third they were never that great in the first place and have gotten worse with each album (decending from MOP that is.lol)
also all these metal head and metallica fans should stop making metallica out as some great metal band because i have 500+ records and none of my metallica records make it to the top 100...
trust me have nearly every great thrash (real underground thrash) record and most of them make metallica look like pop-rock (some of them before metallica was around)
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1. Scorched_Earth writes:
Hmmm-that could be interesting...