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Nu-Metal Music Near Extinction

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The following excerpts were taken from an article from the Arkansas Traveler website about the fall of nu metal:

In the mid-90s Nu-Metal was an exciting, emerging twist in modern rock music that promised to exchange the best ideas in rock and rap for a single - hybrid music that could expose each style's audience to the other. However, as the 90s gave way and the millennium changed, the second wave of Nu-Metal (NM2) got further away from its hip-hop roots and closer to the dark side of heavy metal. The genre is virtually dismissible, but can it come back from the edge of death?

The first wave of Nu-Metal (NM1) was a hybrid of rap and rock music pioneered by soon-to-be staples of the genera Korn, the Deftones and Rage Against the Machine. It was pioneering and new because, unlike the oft-noted collaborations between Run DMC and Aerosmith or between Public Enemy and Anthrax, the NM1 scene wasn't based on a rock musician pounding out the beats and the emcees simply rapping over the established record.

Rather, NM1 musicians familiar with the repertoire of hip-hop's percussion section transcribed and played those beats (especially the snare and high-hat parts) as rhythm on a detuned, overdriven electric guitar. Ergo, the importance of the riff, which itself had been so dominant in eighties rock, was largely missing.

As a result, Nu-Metal made the listener want to jump up and down rather than pump twin, clenched fists in the air. It was ultra-aggressive hip-hop, or it was modest, unassuming rock. Either way, it was crossing genres and exposing new listeners to the ideas inherent in the parent style's musical genotype.

There ended the exciting part. In the late 90s Nu-Metal got heavier and louder. Korn gave way to Limp Bizkit, to Taproot, then to Mudvayne. By the time Slipknot had entered the scene, the double-kick drum was back, the screaming was incessant, and virtually no rapping was taking place.

Whereas, visually, earlier bands projected an image of body piercing, seriously baggy clothes and short haircuts, the post-Slipknot NM2 had opted instead for tattoos, long hair and regular-fit, all black clothing. By 1999, things were again starting to look orthodox

Source: The Arkansas Traveler

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1. RememberMetal? writes:

modest? unassuming?

Korn were pretty damn heavy for the people who were making the popular shift from grunge and pop-punk (Nirvana-Greenday) to indutrial and nu-metal and then rap metal (NIN, Ministry, Manson, Stabbing Westward Type O' - Korn, Soad, Deftones, Disturbed - Crazy Town, Limpbizkit)....

eesh that lists last three entrys dont bode well for progress do they?......

Rage were pretty intense by other radio rock band standards, Soad were only getting played late at night alongside Morbid Angel (yes, by todays standards thats odd) theres alot of holes in this viewpoint that I'm not even going to waste my time on.

The second generation of Nu-Metal acts, aside from LinkinPark, got closer to what metal REALLY is, about the only thing right in this article....And while some of them arent my cup of tea, more power to em for playing with the more adventurous (and often less commercially lucrative) aspect of their sound.

# Apr 2, 2005 @ 9:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. Cynic writes:

Its weird because I've always seperated Mudvayne as being different from the crowd. Mainly of course because I liked there non nu-metal efforts, but secondly because they generally have a sh** load of talent within the band (minus the nu-metalish vocals)

# Apr 2, 2005 @ 10:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. Scott writes:

Anyone on this forum that has read my previous comments, knows me to be a die-hard slipknot fan. In my eyes, there is nothing better than nu-metal. It was really a music for my generation, the kids of the mid 80s and early 90s. A heavy, aggressive music that just made you feel like you had to hit something. Now. There is nothing better than that feeling to me. I am a fan of 80s thrash and Heavy metal, being a huge metallica fan myself. But when I listened to that music, it never really got me pumped. Then a friend introduced me to Slipknot and Korn, and i just f***ing flipped out. A surge of energy flowed through me, and I broke everything in the f***ing room. It was the sound that I and the rest of my generation was looking for. And holy f*** did it feel good to find it. Nirvana in the form of Nu-Metal. Having said that, I believe that the great NM1 bands will not die out, but get stronger, and all though it is sad in a way that NM2 has gone orthodox, back to the stereotypical view of a metal head, it will cause some very different sound to arrive for the next generation of metal heads to arrive. Nu-metal has not died out, but simply became regular metal. MAGGOT ARMY

# Apr 2, 2005 @ 11:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Scott writes:

And to anyone that read through that entire post, i do not mean nirvana as in the grunge band from the early 90's, I mean the dictionary definiton, nirvana: a pure state of bliss.

# Apr 2, 2005 @ 11:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. brokenwings13 writes:

So you've achieved Nirvana with Nu-Metal?

Boy, I wish Freud was around to meet you.

# Apr 2, 2005 @ 11:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. BLACKDOG writes:

Reading that article I can't say that I totally disagree.Nu Metal is starting to move away from the rap side of it's influences in most cases in favor of a more traditional Metal uproach.Do I think their's something wrong with this NO not at all.It's the way of thing's especially in the music industry wheir everything run's in cycles.sooner or later another band will cause a shift back to Nu Metal the way it ounce was with an MC as upposed to lead VOX.Until then we get a cooling down period of sort's.Let's face it in the last two year's we've seen the rise of Velvet Revolver and what is appearing to be the second coming of Motley Crue & Judas Priest.So obviously Rock not just Metal is moving back to the way it ounce was.This happen's periodically with every style of music.For example Country music is actually kinda cool theses day's,eventually it will be boring as all get the f*** out AGAINE !!!!! These cycles come about with each generation.I'm surprised someone felt it was worth mentioning.Anyone above 20yrs of age already know's this if you think about it.

# Apr 2, 2005 @ 11:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. burningChrist writes:

can anyone actually define nu-metal? it seems that anything that came after Korn/Rage/Deftones was Nu-metal, even though it all sounds totally different...i mean, a lot of the rap metal sh** (limp bizkit/taproot) is all the same but some of it is far too heavy...slipknot and Mudvayne are both brutal music but with dumb-ass images. that's just my opinion but that article didn't help.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 7:37 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. RememberMetal? writes:

From what I can tell, nu-metal doesnt have the same obvious traits as say:

"rap-metal": (vocals set to rhythm, moderate if any melodic vocals, very bass and drum centered, song structure that is also very tradional verse, chorus, verse, chorus repeat)

Bands that have been called NU-METAL = Korn, Slipknot, Disturbed, Cold, Mudvayne, Deftones, System Of A Down, Staind, NothingFace, Godsmack, Taproot, Paparoach.....many others...

And whether you love or hate any or all of these bands theres a few, but not many things they have in common......Same ol radio ready pop singles, more often than not twin guitars...guitar solos are RARE!...and ultra-LOW bass, a fairly capable drummer with an impressive drum kit (Mudvayne, Godsmack * Shannon Larkin*, Slipknot and Nothingface in specific)

"ANGST"....thats the big thing, these guys are equal parts "sad" and "p***ed" Korn and Staind really ring true here.

"Fairly decent singers"....all of em can hit some respectable notes in all due respect....their not going anywhere near Priest territory, and Satan save them if they do....

"Rhythm vocals" (aka rap) isnt out of the question but not that common, Nu-metal was always more about the metal aspects of their sound, leaving rap vocals to groups like Linkin Park, Darwins Waiting Room, LimpBizkit, Rage Against The Machine, Crazy Town, KottonMouth Kings etc.....

And really they were probably smart to leave the rap vocals largely out of the picture, they wont show their years quite so quickly....

Save Linkin Park and the now somewhat revered Rage Against The Machine, the rap association is quite damning. And most metal circles HATE Linkin Park, in my opinion rightfully so....

After all that is where each bands signature sound comes in and the lines start to blur....

If anyone can add to my assessment of Nu-metal, or improve on it or tear it apart, say that it sucks and give us all something more accurate please be my guest....

Cus this genre is hardly my cup of tea... (though I do like some of Slipknots, Deftones, and Mudvaynes material).

I favor the more frantic (Dillinger Escape Plan, GlassJaw, Pig Destoyer, Converge) and heavy (Strapping Young Lad, Opeth, Shadows Fall) stuff.

Hope that helps.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 8:45 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. Nuclear6assault writes:

man nu-metal.. lol real metal-heads wud b ashame to call a band like korn, slipknot and trash like that metal.. how about we put them in a stupid genre of their own.. keep the real metal alive.. the true metal heads know what this is.. the lights of overkill? annihilator? kreator? enough f***ing said not to mention f***ing nuclear assault aswell

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 11:39 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. Nuclear6assault writes:

1 more thing.. theres no such thing as RAP-METAL u cannot and i repeat CANNOT associate f***ing RAP with METAL lol its a f***ing disgrace!

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 11:43 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Comrade writes:

yes you can their are several bands that fuse the two such as Linkin Park (though more on the rap/hard rock side), Reveille and others (cant think of too many others) .... and never really though RATM was rap-metal.

and i agree, nu-metal isnt really "true metal" and we should take a lesson from true metal gods like Kreator and Nuclear Assualt.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 12:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. PorcupineOpth99 writes:

post 8 is pretty spot on as far as im concerned.......I dont think nothingface is nu-metal but i cant think of a better label for them. guess i like a nu metal band after all.

to post 9 and 10

of course you can put "rap" and "metal" in the same title as a genre.....but that doesnt stop the resulting genre from sucking HOG d***......I think most agree that it isnt TRUE metal, but rap metal, unfortunately still has elements of metal in it........sh**ty representation and disgraceful as it may be.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 1:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. Negatyve One writes:

I get sick of hearing Genres, I like all kinds of new music, and if I like it, I will listen to it.

Bands I like range from - Dark Tranquility, Lamb of God, Devildriver, Opeth

to

Mudvayne, Nothingface, Cold, Ill-Nino

I just got back from a OKC Subliminal Tour show, I watched the whole set for SF and LoG, it was electrifying, but after the third new album slipcock song, I left.

I was a hardcore fan until Volume 3 came out.

Id give the crappy stereotype Nu-Metal to most rap-rock bands tho : Linkin Park, KoRn, Deftones, Rage, and almost SOAD. None of which I would EVER listen to.


# Apr 3, 2005 @ 2:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. negatyve one writes:

if you would never listen to a band, you have no right to judge them because you have never heard them, a key component to judgement, in this you want to give them a "crappy stereotype", would be that you have actually heard the band.

don't post any more retarded sh**

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 3:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. not retarded writes:

the last post was directed at negatyve one, not by negatyve one.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 3:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. voodoo_child writes:

Nu-Metal so so f***ing overdone, all it is is a bunch of fags getting together with no talent and making noise. the only bands worth mentioning are mudvayne, and slipknot, and the only band that is actually truly talented is rage against the machine.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 3:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Metalhead20054ever writes:

Okay. I've read all of these comments. And this is what i have to say. Metal and rap are not really the best mixture. Metal is Slayer, Slipknot, Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth. Not taking back f***ing sunday. Metal is mean. Angry. Truth. Yes some people don't like volume 3 of slipknot because its not like the first two albums. But i'd listen to that before a lot of the sh** that is on the radio. All of you complain and complain about what is on the radio. Well. f*** the radio. I'm a f***ing complainer to. Its the f***ing big wigs at radio stations that are not going to play God Send Death by slayer. Chancor sore by mushroomhead. The f***ing radio statoins go by whats on the top f***ing billboards. And the sh** is on the top billboards because they think think they know whats good. Thats why we all should speak up. You might ask how i know this sh**. Because i work for a radio station. You let me wake up one morning and decide to play The Heretic Anthem. Or play some hardcore cradle of filth. I'd lose my f***ing job with the quickness. Its true. Thats why i have f***ing Sirious radio in my car. So i don't have to hear the sh** thats played at my station. Like i have something to say about punk rock as well. Punk rock is ugly. p***ed and evil. Good Charlotte is not punk. Sum41 is not punk. Punk is the romones, sex pistols. Not that sh** on the radio. If you guys really want to hear the sh** youj want to hear. You have to f***ing step up. I love every f***ing metal head because they know how i feel. f*** that sh** on the f***ing radio. If i did not have any bills i'd leave the f***ing station. I'm dying for the day that they play some dimmu borgir. Just f***ing dying. A lot of the bands on the radio now just like breaking bengamin and taking back sunday are like the f***ing glam bands of the 80's. Bands like f***ing Ratt. Bullsh** bands. You guys have to do something. We all have to do something. This sh** f***ing sucks. please comment if you feel like doing so.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 4:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. nu metal? writes:

genres are for the closed minded

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 4:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. xmetaldrummer86x writes:

MAN THIS ARTICLE IS SO LAME - NU METAL 1 AND MU METAL 2???? WTF ISNT ALL JUST MUSIC - DAMN FUCEN PPL SOMETIMES OVER DRAMATIZE WUT MUSIC IS SUPPOSED TO BE..... I BELEIVE BANDS LIKE SLIPKNOT , OLD DEFTONES , CHIMAIRA, SHADOWS FALL , KSE, ILL NINO , BANDS LIKE THAT ARE THE BANDS COMING AROUND ... I KNOW SOME OF U ARE GOING TO DISAGREE BUT LETS FACE IT METALLICA LOST SOLOS, MEGADETH WHO?, SLAYER IS LIKE A BREAK UP WAITING TO HAPPEN , ALL THSE NEW AGE BANDS WOULD BE LIKE GOOD CHARLOTTE,SIMPLE PLAN , AND f***EN ALL THOSE TRENDY BANDS - ANYWAYS NU-METAL MAY BE NU BUT ALL THE BANDS ARE WAY MORE f***EN BRUTAL THEN THE IMPOSED "OLD" METAL.....

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 4:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. BiGG Perm writes:

so does this mean i get to hear good music on the radio?
although i like mudvayne, soad, and some godsmack, nu-metal is generally bogus. these ppl who are in nu-metal bands are so desensified by tv and sh** that they don't know where to get passion. in my opinion, they have no passion for the music at all. they are in it for the money, sex, and fame. that's it. the screams aren't out of passion but more 'what will the kids like'? bands like pantera who sort of started the screaming thing were actually doing it because their emotion couldn't be put into words. i think i would like nu-metal better if it had any or all of these qualifications
1. real passion
2.cool music grooves
3. something way, way original and out of the ordinary.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 5:08 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. BLACKDOG writes:

What could we possibly do ? I personally love most genre's of music.As far as I'm concerned music is music I'll listen to anybody that's good at what they do.Nu Metal althogh I'm only into certaine specific band's I see nothing really wrong with it.Other than the fact that the kid's nowaday's seem to be obsessed with KoRn and have no idea what their listening to and theirfore ask dumb a$$ question's like "WHY IS KoRn COVERING ALL THESE OLD SCHOOL RAP AND FUNK SONGS ?".I just would love to see the day and perhap's this is a good goal for myself.That someone creates a truly underground festival the way the great festival's are supposed to be but this would be different in that it would feature truly underground band's of all types that are not the top band's so you really have to be a fan just to show up.This kind of deal would never get any corporate sponsorship so It will probably never happen.On stage 1 we'd have Dimmu borgir and band's like that.Then on stage 2 theird be some really obscure punk band like jungle stud and so forth and so on.Like I saide it will probably never ever happen

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 5:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. Rulin madk writes:

Man I hope so! Cmon korntards. Let's hear your penny's worth!

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 5:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. DEADMETAL writes:

we have concerts like that all the time here in arizona. underground concerts are all about a local scene because if they are touring nationally for any sort of large crowd, they are not underground. "Underground" is hard to maintain because with talent comes exposure followed by fans and money and hence not being "underground" anymore.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 5:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. BLACKDOG writes:

True that.Look's like I need to get to ARIZONA.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 6:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. deathbringer writes:

The one thing you missed, RememberMetal?, that is the trademark of Korn and the whole nu-metal generation is tuned-down guitars. It's also the first thing that will get the nu-metal label thrown at you even when it doesn't apply (e.g. Slayer's Diabolus In Musica, Machine Head's Burn My Eyes, etc)

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 9:08 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. Negatyve_One writes:

Notretarded, The reason I wouldnt be caught dead listening to those bands, is because ive heard them, all over the place, and in my opinoin, the f***ing blow.

Dont be a dumbass and assume sh** moron.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 10:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. Negatyve_One writes:

Notretarded, The reason I wouldnt be caught dead listening to those bands, is because ive heard them, all over the place, and in my opinoin, the f***ing blow.

Dont be a dumbass and assume sh** moron.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 10:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. RememberMetal? writes:

thanks deathbringer,

I couldnt agree more....I was reluctant to mention that for the sheer fact that non nu-metal bands have at times adopted that sound, but you're quite right, that is one of the "ultimate" trademarks of the nu-metal. set.

# Apr 3, 2005 @ 11:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. RememberMetal? writes:

Also, since im feeling chatty, genres arent for the "close minded" I think they allow fans and critics to draw comparisons so they can share a mutual love, hate or understanding of a bands sound without having to rely on everyone being familiar with highly specific music jargon or technical terms.

example:
if you can say to someone-

"The band Terror is pretty straight forward hardcore, like Hatebreed in many respects." then the genre helps someone be familiar with a band they have NEVER heard....which I think we can all agree has some merit in a conversation about music.......

To say genres as whole...be it rap, jazz, country, punk, pop, metal etc. are only for narrow minded people is being quite narrow minded in and of itself.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 12:13 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. metal is the answer writes:

this is just a sign saying thrash metal is the superior form of music

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 12:34 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. RememberMetal? writes:

post 29 is in regards to post 18 as well, just so theres no confusion....there im done ranting for the next 5-20 hours.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 12:37 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. BadLuckManiac writes:

here r some good Nu-metal bands if u want to call them that
American Head Charge, 40 Below Summer, SpineShank, Ill Nino, (old) Slipknot

also to the whole radio and trendy music stuff. IT f***IN SUCKS. the nu-metal played is just terrible, overly played crap a$$ bands, some of the most homosexual sh** ever like Simpleplan, greenday, new found bowl of sh** just to name a few plus other terrible crap like the used, breaking benjamine ( maby gayest band name ever), and Velvet Revolver lets face it the kinda suck there nothing that Guns N roses were or ever will be u cant even put the two names together, the boys frome guns n roses should be ashamed Slash, Duff, Matt espicallly slash cause he did 2 SNAKEPIT Cds and there heavy metal sounding close to GNR. It just shows Velvet revolver is the new less aggressive sound of music that is in, it just shows the changing of times. For example it would be like a new Phil A. releasing his new side project and it sound like Chevelle that would suck real bad but then again it would fit the changing of music sound from back then= loud,Heavy to now=light, sissy

O well f*** IT i dont listen to raido much any way

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 12:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. Muffy writes:

nu metal=wanna be n***** lovin white kids who hate themselves

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 1:16 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. Muffy writes:

Im so racist that even neo nazis shun and ridicule me for my very small minded ways.....I love getting a rise out of people too, it's because i'm fat, lonely, and sooo bored.....if i can make someone angry at least im getting SOME attention....if noone got upset with the uneducated things I post....why...I dont know what i'd do....suicide perhaps.....I'm going to that clan rally now...they may make fun of me and call me pudge...at least i get a sense of belonging....i secretly LOVE simple plan and limpbizkit too...sigh fred is so hot.....he's fat and ugly like me....i have his sex tape on repeat as my screensaver.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 5:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. reyrey writes:

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
if only korn would make a new full length album instead of that stupid bullsh** lazy half a$$ greatest hits cds than nu-metal would still have a fighting chance.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 10:22 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. Brian Welch writes:

Dont expect Nu-Metal to die out as soon as they say its going to. They could have said the same thing about heavy metal back in the 80s, when nu-metal came out they said the heavy metal would die out too. But it didnt, Korn is working on two albums. Kovers and there new own material. Korn is gonna keep going. Have fun ; )

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 10:51 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. Muffy writes:

post 34-sounds like bradly.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 11:58 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. brokenwings13 writes:

But what if it wasn't Brad?

: )

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 1:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. Muffy writes:

mmmm...TUNA!!

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 3:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. Rulin madk writes:

Not this shiit again! What'ya say there? Mufftard.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 3:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. Sean . . . but Scott's a fag writes:

sorry after reading his post my only comment on the topic of Nu-metal is scott's a fag, motherf***er can't get pumped to metallica in their thrash days . . . what the f*** is wrong with you kid

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 4:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. Sara666 writes:

Nu Metal 1and 2 WTF!!!!!!!!!!??????? I don't care anyway, heavy music is still here and you know what it is if you are true to metal. You can't listen to what these "experts" are telling you. They say heavy music is dead and gone? Please, you just have to know where to find it and it's certainly not on the radio or MTV.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 5:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. DerailTheTrain writes:

LOL post 34 is great, who did that?...nothing like hijacking a name and destroying someone!




# Apr 4, 2005 @ 5:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. RememberMetal? writes:

hehe...maybe post 34 was me.

Nothing like a nu-metal article to bring that caged deer of a raving slobbering racist idiot out......

But then again, maybe Muffy just had one of her rabies/syphilis spasms and banged that out in a mindless subconscious drooling rage.....post 34 does sound pretty honest....I'm going with it just being a confession.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 6:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. deathbringer writes:

Nu-metal, the trend, is dead. What that means is that not every no-talent nu-metal band out there will get a deal with a label - often big label - looking to cash in. Only the best nu-metal bands (SOAD, Korn, Godsmack, Linkin Park, etc) will survive and even so, many will do so by changing their sound - probably to be even more radio friendly.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 6:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. BLACKDOG writes:

Muffy your incredible....Don't ever change.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 6:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

I concur with deathbringer, Nu-Metal hasn't been on any record labels "things to do" list for awhile....

Right now that priority has gone straight to hip-hop, pop and heh...nu-wave and garage rock acts.....With any luck some band "like" Pantera will come along and get the embers going and we'll have a metal resurgence....but as seen with any metal trend, that will bring just as many good bands to the forefront as sh**ty 3rd rate bands.....Record labels pick em up and we sort em out....commercial darwinism...fun.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 6:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. korn4life writes:

nu metal aint that bad it is pretty cool a mean it is not close of beeing extinct korn is not nu metal i dont know what thir f***king problem is korn does not have rap maybe on follow the leader but the others dont even if nu meatl does die korn will still be here korn for f***ing life.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 7:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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49. Ken writes:

thank god i thought it would never end...rap and metal cannot be a hybrid of anything you would get crap pretty much what nu-metal plays is simple riffs and beats sure i listened to a little of the first wave of nu-metal like slipknot and mudvayne and sh** but i was like 13 it little kid sh** you grow out of it

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50. brokenwings13 writes:

Muffy, I think I smell your blood.

Ken, basically, we've all listened to nu-metal. We have to in order to insult the hell out of it.

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51. Muffy writes:

TUNA! TUNA!

Charlie the Tuna is my buttbuddy.

# Apr 4, 2005 @ 11:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. delinquent writes:

wtf is the point of this article?? it's all a f***ing fashion show..... piercings, baggy pants, leather pants short hair long hair......who gives a f***.
NM1...NM2...wtf? damn the sorry blowhorn who wrote this sh**
darkstar, i want some good head to reimburse me the time i spent in reading your post !!

# Apr 5, 2005 @ 3:52 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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53. nu metal blows writes:

Nu Metal is crap. Whom ever decided to associate it with real metal is as retarded as anyone on this planet and definitely on this site posting in favor of it. Here I'll save you some time, you're all arguing over wether or not a band is nu metal. If there's an argument at all then its nu metal. Rap metal is nu metal. Its a classification for bands that cannot play metal. Most of these bands NOT ALL but most could not play a guitar solo to save their azz! (KORN) Its all garbage! Its always been garbage. This is what we got rid 80's metal for? Say what you want to about it but I'd love to see any of these b**** bands play any of it. Or sing it for that matter! I would have rather have a return of fu**ing hair metal than this crap. G#y azz hair metal was better than this by far, atleast the musicianship was held to a much higher standard. Unfortunately nu metal will never go away completely because of stupid people, who cannot comprehend the complexity of real metal, and therefore will always be a spot among the pretty people for the pretty people! THE DAY OF THE SCREAMING RAPPER IS OVER, THANK F#@*ING GOD! BRING BACK THE MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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54. reyrey writes:

EVEN IF NU-METAL DIES OUT KoRn WILL STILL BE MAKING NEW ALBUMS. AND HOW CAN IT DIE WHEN ITS BARELY BEEN AROUND A DECADE.

# Apr 5, 2005 @ 10:45 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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55. RememberMetal? writes:

heh, post 53 is good for getting the heart racing....If you hate nu-metal you'll find yourself going "Yeah", "Yeah!" "Right on!!!!"

.....If you love nu-metal you find yourself goin "@#$%%, %$#$%, &^%%&**(&&^$#$, ^%!@#$%^&*(*&^%$#!@#$%^&*()*&^%$!!!"

....I say this because for the overwhelming majority I dislike nu-metal save 2 or 3 bands that have gotten that label. And for the record, less than half of nu-metal bands rap, whether they eat buffalo sh** or not i'd say only 25% of em ever went that route in a sustained manor, most of that rapping thing has been left to LinkinPark Hed PE Limpbizkit etc....all flatly considered rap-metal.

At the end of the day this whole discussion is about personal taste. And no ones rants, be it mindlessly emotional attacks or support for the genre or a constructive assessment of what nu-metals qualities are is going to budge one persons opinion an iota.

Unless of course youre a mindless pack minded zombie that goes with whatever everyone else around you say "doesnt suck"......f*** the naysayers, if you like it, listen to it.....If you loath it, then the get back to listening to Slayer, Morbid Angel, and Deicide...That is TRUE metal.....Though some Priset and Sabbath fans might call THOSE bands garbage.....

It's all in the ear of the beholder...so to speak, so get out there, listen to what it is that you love and you'll find yourself forgetting that other genres exist.

# Apr 5, 2005 @ 11:08 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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56. Muffy writes:

Shut the f*** up! I do believe this site is named metal underground. This is the perfect place to defend just that! Rap + metal=madkuntz who hate themselves 4 being white and want to bring this worthless style of crap into metal. Leave it with the monkeys and get the f*** out of here!

# Apr 5, 2005 @ 11:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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57. BiGG Perm writes:

you're just jealous of black people. they're better at everything than us whities. athletics, academics, making money(or rather appealing to the general public with rap and sh**). if overweight, they carry their weight well. us whities, suck at everything. we're stupid, fat, uneducated slobs. so, if you're gonna hate a race, hate your own.
p.s. i'm not racist, i hate everyone equally.

# Apr 5, 2005 @ 1:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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58. Muffy writes:

I apologize,

Another bout of my sypilis and rabies cause me to say those horrible things...plus I was listening to G Unit so loud I couldnt really tell WHAT I was typing.......

My dream is for 50 cent, Will Smith, Fred Durst and Flavor Flav to come into my house and gang rape me while Simple Plan, Disturbed and Snoop Dog are blasting out of my little Hello Kitty radio......

Then I can get herpes and the clap from those guys and round out my b****in assortment of already impressive diseases.

But first I have to go eat TUNA.........

GOBS AND GOBS OF TUNA.....

i WILL be 75 pounds heavier by the time I post next and I will CRUSH Nu-Metal and all it's fans....

I have to be careful when I say things like that.....Sir Durst is in the other room stroking himself so he can take me up the bum while we watch Mr. Rogers reruns together....Then we're going to get tickets for Anger Management 3 tour so we can see 50 Cent, EMINEM (uhhh i just came) obie trice etc.....

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59. DominionofSatyr writes:

Yes, all hail true metal! I got erexion after post 53!

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60. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

LMFAO! post 59 mite be the best thing ever posted, damn somebody HATES muffy....I'd take responsibility if I could but it's not me.....

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61. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

im stupid i meant post 58...couldnt keep straight face or type properly my mistake

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62. rulin madk writes:

muffy your a fukkin idiot. If you seen my korn threads you would know I hate
Nu-metal. But nice try nimrod!

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63. BLACKDOG writes:

I have no idea what Muffies problem is but.I would like to remind him that monkeis have tail's.If you bas your feeling's for Nu metal (something black people have less than nothing to do with) on your feeling's for black people in general.That mean's you are incredibly ignorant.So let's be honest b****IE I mean Muffy.What's the real problem with you.Why are you so angry with black people ? Thong to tight ? Perhap's your nipple clamp's are chafing you.Waite I know your d*** is to small !!! let me ask you a question HE-b**** I've dated just about every race of female possible in this country . Do you have a problem with me ? If you do your even dummer than I'm giving you credit for being.I've saide it before I'll say it againe If you see a n***** or in your case b****ie monkey kick his ass.When I say kick his a$$ I mean YOU NOT YOU AND EIGHT OR NINE OF YOUR FRIEND'S!! NOT YOU AND ONE OF YOUR FRIEND'S!! BUT YOU ALL BY YOUR LONESOME!! JUST YOU YOURSELF ALONE!! NO BACK UP NO EXCUSES !!!! I would'nt be impressed by it but atleast I'd know your not a coward.Now go grow a pair.

# Apr 5, 2005 @ 4:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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64. Sara666 writes:

Nu-metal is for little boy bands to vent thier anger after being dumped by some stupid bi##h who makes them want to kill them selves. WHA WHAAA WHAAAAA Crybaby sh#t. That's all it is. Mommy and Daddy hated me when I was small and my uncle did me up the azz now I hate the world.

That's what nu-metal is. Real Metal talked about sh1t going on in the world, how fu#ked the government is, and even some song about castles, dragons, and wizards and sh1t.

Either way, the songs have meanings and a mesage behind it all backed up with pure talent.

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65. timevirus writes:

pantera was better than any of the nu or old metal.

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66. metal is the answer writes:

yea, metallica even went into talkin about the bible

# Apr 5, 2005 @ 5:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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67. Negatyve_One writes:

Slipknot, is the biggest winner from this genre. At the show I went to in OKC, with LoG, SF and Slipknot, there was three 9 year olds to our left, and their 40 year old mom, then a horde of mall goth kiddies infront of us (The hello kitty, all black, fish net wanna be freaks).

None of them showed ANY respect for LoG or SF, the kids played on their gameboys, and the teens played on their cell phones. Then Slipknot came on, and during some older songs (Eye less, Surfacing, etc..) They kinda bobbed their head, then Duality, and *gasp* Vermillion came on, and a fire was lit under their ass, it was PATHETIC. I left half a set early on slipknot, one of my top 5 fave bands, for how many years :(

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68. metal is the answer writes:

rage is way better than slipknot, who is a talented band. negatyve one, i hear you. thats incredibly stupid, there are posers at my school like that, who wear the slipknot shirt one day and the simple plan shirt the next

# Apr 5, 2005 @ 8:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. Z?[question sleep] writes:

holy crap, this article writer just accused jonathan davis of rapping!! jonathan davis was always a screamer and a growler and an occasional screechy noiser. i've never heard jonathan davis say words faster than his every day dialogue (which isn't saying much) and they also said that LIMP BIZKIT was more metal than korn. even non-korn fans have to admit, that is total MADNESS. anyone who dislikes korn dislikes limp bizkit more. i love korn, and for this lunatic to say limp bizkit is more metal (even metal at all!) just makes my brain explode! slipknot has nothing to do with nu metal anyway. those guys are hardcore, especially their first album.

# Apr 5, 2005 @ 9:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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70. NO PUSSY SHIT writes:

O YOUR KORN AND STUPID BIZKET SH*T I HOPE THEY ALL DIE OFF U QUEERS

# Apr 5, 2005 @ 10:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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71. RememberMetal? writes:

SIC EM BLACKDOG!...tear that coward racist piece of sh** Muffy a new one.....It's too bad you and muffy prolly live 5 or more state lines away. I'd love to see what that low life would do face to face with ya....

Dont give Muffy the benefit of letting her / him / It knowing your angry.....Just post under muffys name and go crazy......thats what I do when muffy pisses me off, the name isnt registered so have a ball Blackdog.

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72. Muffy writes:

What in the name of my crabs infested body are you doing f**khead?

# Apr 6, 2005 @ 12:56 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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73. weiner writes:

f*** rap metal its ether metal or its not why did we make up all thes typs of metal we are all f***ing idiots it shouldnt be about the type of metal it should be about the metal F***ers


Bitter Beucolic will rise

# Apr 6, 2005 @ 9:41 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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74. Muffy writes:

Ouch my anus, Sir Durst, please stop pumping my bum ouch, no go faster....turn up "Rearranged" I love that song honey, cus your rearranging my anus Fred....After you finish with my bum we have to go to the store so I can get the new 50 Cent and Simple Plan albums.....You promised me you would buy those!!
No Fred I dont like (hed) PE better than Limpbizkit, silly, ouchie u went deep that time.

LONG LIVE RAP METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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75. Negatyve_One writes:

Can we PLEASE doing something about garbage like that ? People like that are the reason alot of readers dont/sparingly post.

# Apr 6, 2005 @ 6:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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76. BLACKDOG writes:

I'm sorry but I can't stand IGNORANT PEOPLE!!!! We should kill them all before they get a chance to pollute the gene pool.

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77. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

echoing negatyveone and blackdog here........christ......thats messed up...

# Apr 6, 2005 @ 7:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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78. Muffy writes:

what a bunch of p***ys! So scared to to hear the truth. Brain washed scum who need to die off and stop dragging the whole race down. Brokenwings and the rest of u metal whores sure do make daddy proud.

# Apr 6, 2005 @ 7:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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79. BLACKDOG writes:

Muffy you directly insulted a race of people.People who probably have nothing to do with you and your problem's,now your saying it's the truth and their's something wrong with us ?!?! YOU AR SO f***ING PATHETIC ! I'M AMEAZED YOU EXIST ! YOUR LIKE SOMETING OUT OF A MOVIE SET IN THE 50's.Everytime I read won of your post's I'm asking myself"didn't they stop making those."Your incredible .

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80. BLACKDOG writes:

That was Amazed I meant to say.You know the heat of anger not to mention shock at the level of IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE OF THIS DAMN FOOL!!!

# Apr 6, 2005 @ 7:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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81. metal is the answer writes:

muffy, go back to school, get that high school diploma, then come back when your at least on the surface of our education level so you dont sound like an ignorant jackass

# Apr 6, 2005 @ 8:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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82. Muffy writes:

funny, i thought i was insulting my own race? Why can't a white person be ethnocentric, every other race is. Black people can have their rap hip pop culture and all the bullsh** that follows. Hell you punk a$$ white wannabees can suck on it as well. I don't even mind a black guy who plays metal; just as long as he doesn't bring the n***** talkin bling bling crap with him. I want metal to remain pure and I will call it the way I see it. Most of you p***ys can't even entertain this argument because of all this diversity feel guilty 4 past sins against black people crap! So...f*** off!

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83. metal is the answer writes:

ok muffy, i still think your kinda closeminded, but i see where youre coming from. i agree, seeing as the USA is the only country where white man fought against other white men to free black men, yet we're still apoligizing for slavery after liberating them

# Apr 6, 2005 @ 9:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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84. RememberMetal? writes:

Muffy it's not white guilt to not use the word N*$^*@ out of respect to those who have to endure that word and it's historical signifigance....You call it brain washing, but could you not at least entertain the possibility that maybe your views are slanted....Your saying things in the same way a white supremacist might....Your whole keeping metal pure bit, while possibly subconscious or accidental, sounds quite a bit like the racial cleansing/pure white race only bullsh** that Hitler and his chums got crushed for. For my money I dont know if I've even met someone as racist as you and I live in Louisville Ky.....The clan has tryed to gather at our city hall and everytime they do, theres fewer of them and more protestors....the days of your type are coming to a close.

# Apr 6, 2005 @ 10:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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85. Muffy writes:

Oh pleeease!! If black people are so offended by the word n***** then why r they the ones' who proliferate it the most.
calling me a racist comes easy 4 you because your brain is toast. You r beyond help and need to fade away! Please, f*** off!

# Apr 6, 2005 @ 11:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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86. BLACKDOG writes:

Their's No EXCUSE.1st off your people freed us because after the invention of the cotton gin their began to be less and less use for us.#2 LINCOLN never sighned the emancipation proclimation.White people were not fighting to free us.Hell the only reason they were freed is because lincoln thought it would be an excellent way to increase the number of northern soldiers and it worked.Muffy you saide something to the effect of send it back or leave it with the monkey's now your saying that this was not directed at black people.You are so f***ing IGNORANT it's not funny.I'll let you in on a secret Rock n Roll was not created by ELVIS JERRY LEE LEWIS or PAT BOON.It's a derivitive of the blues wich came from the gospel song's the slaves sang in the field.Keeping this in mind if black's created rock in a round about way Guess what else we've got a lot to do with.I'm not putting down any of the great pioneer's they all did great thing's, but before you start spitting that NEO NAZI BULLsh** at me learn your history first.People like you disgust me.Just because your white it's ok to insult other peoples culture.If I walked up to you and called your ancester a rapist and a thief would you appreciate that ?

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87. metal is the answer writes:

BLACKDOG, i totally understand where you're coming from and i feel disgusted when i think about how my ancestors treated your people, but we are in a different age now, a much more tolerant age, where we can forgive but not forget, it's just people like Muffy who do this sort of thing for the shock value of what is coming out of their mouths

# Apr 7, 2005 @ 12:20 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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88. metal is the answer writes:

intolerance is the greatest evil one can commit. all of the rational thinking people like BLACKDOG, brokenwings, remembermetal realize this. those of you who think its funny to say n***** and gook and wetback, wise up you asses

# Apr 7, 2005 @ 12:23 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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89. Big_Dan writes:

Why is Slipknot Being considered Nu-metal? they don't suck. They're popular but they didn't put the nu-metal soft sh** in their songs till this last pieace of trash album.

# Apr 7, 2005 @ 12:44 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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90. Muffy writes:

Blackdog, you're the racist! White people didn't fight to free the slaves? That is a slap in the face to every white person who fought and died in the civil war, the underground rr, & the civil rights movement. Sorry to break it to you pal, but if it wasn't 4 white people, black people would still be enslaved! Learn your history f***head! This argument is useless. I know I'm right. As far as the monkey and n***** comments go, if the shoe fits...I'll say it for the last time..A n***** IS A n***** AND A BLACK PERSON IS JUST THAT! Get it? No...than f*** off and tell the whole black race to eliminate the word n***** from their own vocabulary. RAP=n*****

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91. metal is the answer writes:

how does that make him a racist? your accusations dont prove your point at all

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92. Muffy writes:

go back to sucking blackdogs d*** metal answer f***! You'll never see the truth

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93. RememberMetal? writes:

Muffy is loving every second of this, thats what makes me want to drop the whole subject....We're making this very obviously damaged person happy by showering it with attention.

..Its a classic example of personality disorder....Those who suffer from personality disorder thrive on conflict and attention. That is exactly what this is. Some miserable viewpoint with absolutely zero ground to stand on being used to provoke people into what will be an arguement without an ending. Ill bet anything muffy is checking this post every 20-minutes to 2 hours so he/ she / it can fire another round of incendiaries just to get a rise out of myself, Blackdog, metal is the answer...or what muffy really wants, more people jumping in.

So unless muffy somehow changes it's philosophy from " rap = n^%$*&# " to something a little more substantial, then this discussion wont progress and we'll more or less get the same infantile and pitiful responses that suffer from both an absence of logic and a more importantly a complete lack of insight.

Did anyone else laugh at the "I know i'm right" line?...If anyone EVER brings that to a dispute then not only are they suffering from a lack of credible defensive information, they are also simply socially damaged as well...you'll hear a 6 year old make the same statement if they're on the losing side of an arguement, though it's an act of immaturity rather than psychological misfortune.

And then the slogans: "I call it like i see it", " you'll never see the truth" and "if the shoe fits".

These are used to make the speaker seem both more informed and clever when they feel cornered....Meaning all else has failed. Lawyers and politicians use these tools to little effect all the time. It rarely works for them and when it comes from Muffy it sounds like the tired rantings of poorly raised, mentally challenged and socially awkward clansmen.

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94. no pussy shit writes:

blackdog is one of those proud 2 b a n*gger people. man im ignorent<; i cant help u all cant handle the truth, i dont hail hitler hes a c*nt 2 for bein a failure. im my own person who only gives a f*ck about people with the same mind set

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95. DerailTheTrain writes:

obviously not muffy (post 94) or you wouldnt even feel the need to post this sad response. If you only cared about those with the same mindset, why waste your time here where NO ONE agrees with you. more pathetic is the use of a different name.....and post 86 and 93 pretty much hit the nail on the head (with a sledge hammer) so kindly grow the &^%* up racist.

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96. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

feh,
RememberMetal is spot on (post 93) rang so true it almost hurt my ears. We're evolving beyond racism, it's just going to take 3 or 4 more generations to make racism even more radical and pathetic than it already is.

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97. BiGG Perm writes:

hey metal is the answer, isn't saying that 'intolerance is the greatest evil that one can commit' sort of being intolerant of those who are intolerant? just wondering

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98. BiGG Perm writes:

by the way, using racial slurs is always wrong. i think it's funny to make fun of white ppl though. we think we're so righteous(i.e. muffy). it's simply pathetic

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99. rulin madk writes:

You gotta understand when muffy has it's leg braces and bicycle helmet on a little
too tight and listens to too much Toby Keith the mongoloid creature get's a little
heated!

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100. ANTI-MUFFY-ACTION writes:

how muffy functions on a day to day basis is beyond me but i cant wait to for muffy to post, i actually look forward to tearing muffy to bits. post 93 is on target big time, post 97 poses an interesting question and post 99 is a blody riot.

# Apr 7, 2005 @ 3:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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101. Muffy writes:

Calling me a racist is the only argument you sorry f***s have.

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102. metal is the answer writes:

haha, yeah i guess it sorta does bigg perm, but i still stand by it, even if it makes me a hypocrite

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103. metal is the answer writes:

i for one am dropping out of this argument because it is not a rational debate, but some jerk named muffy who is an attention whore

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104. cursed in eternity writes:

who cares about all these top 40 bands like korn, limp bizkit, deftones and bands like that. metal is an underground culture and should rightfully remain as such. i think that metal, alot like true punk rock, loses its value when you can hear it on commercial radio and pick up the albums in the malls. maybe im just a ranting old man, but i remember back when slayer's albums used to be hard to come by. now you can go pick up there stuff anywhere. and even though i love slayer, there nothing what they used to be. that kind of stuff shouldnt be for everyone. support underground metal and punk bands like darkthrone, mayhem, world burns to death, etc....f*** the mainstream!!!

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105. zaratan writes:

AMEN!!!! cursed in eternity, f*** yeah! i completely agree with that statement. Mainstream has ruined music and metal. metal should be only an underground culture, where only true fans listen to slayer, moonsorrow, and nile, and the only cds in malls should be gayrap, pop, and fagrock. f*** nu metal!!!

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106. Negatyve_One writes:

Yeah, im fairly with you guys on that, albeit Ill find myself liking a single on the radio, because sometimes im lazy and dont put a cd in (Submerced, to name 1) Radio has overplayed, overpopulated, and overdone everything that is good in rock/metal music. That being said, I dont think theres alot of people that want to stay underground they are in a business, and in it to be the best. You wont see a football team wanting to be meadeoaker because they always have been, they want to be #1, or in this case sell the most records. In order to do so, you MUST become mainstream to an extent.

Unless your like RATM, who wasnt really main until they broke up. Im hearing alot more heavier things on the radio. I myself am VERY anti-Chevelle, because theyre on all the damn time, but their new single Clincher, is a nice change. It will get overplayed though :(

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107. RememberMetal? writes:

Calling you a racist isnt our ONLY arguement, you clearly have other social, mental and emotional problems that you refuse to face...too much work I imagine (re-read my last post, quite a few people seem to agree).....

But being right about the racism angle pretty much makes whatever convoluted angle you have at this point hopelessly invalid....I'm glad that you're type is on that same mental and emotional fringe as any other hateful extremist, pathetic and isolated from societies mental and emotional growth. One day historians will compare your lot to mindless frightened barbarians, much like journalists of today already are.

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108. brokenwings13 writes:

Muffy-

I recall that I once told you die, actually, I said this several times, but I digress, the point is I still mean it!!

Calling me a whore isn't going to get you anywhere from behind that computer screen which you so dillegently make your life.

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109. Muffy writes:

mmm....ok...sure

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110. metal is the answer writes:

well, this is really gay how we went from nu metal to white supremecy, so back to the topic. i personally dont like that much nu metal, basically mudvayne, slipknot, and rage are the only ones i like if you even consider rage nu metal, which i dont

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111. cursed in eternity writes:

not all bands are about making money and getting gold records and all that crap. Darkthrone were nominated for the Norwegian equivelant of the grammy award, and rightfully so, they turned it down. they chose not to be part of the glitz and glamor part of this business. thats why they dont do live shows. because the real meaning gets lost on people that have nothing to do with it, then it becomes a job instead of doing it for the music itself. look at a band like cradle of filth. they used to be a great band. i love there old albums, but they decided that money and fame was more important and it ruined them. same with metallica. same with people like ozzy. the list goes on. keep metal underground to keep it alive!!

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112. RememberMetal? writes:

to metal is the answer

I've made all my points and Muffy has yet to attempt to prove them wrong so I'm happy to back to the topic at hand. Rage didn't really fit the nu-metal formula in most aspects, but Muffy would think so based on both the singer vocals and the racism angle. So your nu-metal free there, more of a rap-(hard) rock band but this is where labels start to get silly.

Mudvayne fit the nu metal formula = angst, anger, tuned down guitar and bass etc. BUT their probably (one of ) the best sounding members of the nu metal and based on raw talent. The could play as a pure metal band and still sound excellent in my opinion, awe imspiring rhythm section. I once read that even Dream theatres bassist caught a mudvayne show on the insistance of a friend and spent the performance watching only the drummer and bassist calling them "very unorthodox, interesting and precise"...I also happen to like them as well.

Slipknot are also part of the nu-metal lot but they play with a greater intensity than probably any other nu-metal band. maybe Mudvayne matches them though hard to say. Also (again in my opinion) I get a sense that they could be a little more "flashy" and do more technically impressive things (the drummer is always stellar though, wish i could play double kick drums like that).

You shouldn't feel like you should have to defend those bands just because their nu-metal, their great examples of Nu-Metal that goes above and beyond the label and gimmicks.

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113. rulin madk writes:

nu metal sucks.
and so does muffy.

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114. bradispissed writes:

muffy sucked me off ;)

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115. RememberMetal? writes:

I've already decided that Muffy is a syphalitic, balding, massively obese, and friendless clansman. Also male single and remaining that way, who is even disdained by his family. so bradisp***ed, if even a little bit of my silly guess work is right....eessh, just hope it's not ^ ^

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116. formethalyne writes:

Brad sucked me off. ; )

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117. metal is the answer writes:

remembermetal?, you said exactly my opinion on everything you brought up on post #112. i think rage started its own genre, they were definently pioneers in the bringing together of rap and rock

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118. muffy writes:

bradisp***ed and madk and me all love each other. if we lived in the same state we would all a$$ rape each other professing metal purity as we ferociously bang each others a$$holes and hate black people.

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119. duh writes:

whats all this about a new metal. does that mean that the periodic table will change now

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120. RememberMetal? writes:

wow, thats....stupid...Muffy for f***s sake come up with something impressive. You managed to get a few people to hate you there for awhile...now your posting at 2:00 am on sat morning with NOTHING BETTER TO DO!?!? i cant even believe i can type, let alone respond to u, i just spent the night drunk with about 200 people having the time of my life WHILE you typed those 2 meaningless sentences. meanwhile i'm drinmking gatorade so i don't have ahangoverfor work tomorrow.....f*** a clansmans anus and g;night.

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121. sPaZ713 writes:

we need to get rid of all Nu-Metal and go with the Nu2 Metal. maybe even make a new Nu3 metal with no rap whatsoever so f*** rap

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122. brokenwings13 writes:

Nu3 would be Nu1 wouldn't it?

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123. rulin madk writes:

uggh dipshiit impersonaters I never once said anything on this site that
I hated black ppl nice try korndouches!

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124. DerailTheTrain writes:

well your fights with muffy then, not the ones claiming to be korn fans, take it up with the right person.....hehe post 120 is funny

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125. rulin madk writes:

no it's always the korntards that try to impersonate me. So I might be a hater
on a lot of things but let me assure you that me and brad are not racists!

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126. BLACKDOG writes:

OK I go on a short vacation in TORONTO wheir I hang out with some forward thinking individual's most of whome are female and beautiful.I'm cool I'm calm I'm relaxed and I come back to find that muffy still has not changed it's KOTEX or atleast Doushed.Look muffy freeing the slaves was an excuse That's it!Yes their were White People that helped with the Underground Rail road They were way ahead of their time and I love and respect them because I would not exist if not for them(the first holocaust was slavery).However Lincoln did not sighn that document so don't tell me what that WAR was about.As far as Black people calling each other that word well their are three reason's #1 their was a southern gentleman who owned slaves.This man named Lynch by the way wrote a book.In this book it say's "IF YOU FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTION'S WE WILL CONTROL THEM FOR 200 yrs."That is exactly what happend.The brainwashing hold's true to this day unfortunately.Their are infact Black people who believe we are supposed to be poor and if we get rich it has to be threw criminal activity.Next we don't say it like you racist player hater's do, Pay Attention.If I gotta explaine you are dumber than any of us are giving you credit for being.Even if you figure it out it's still not right because your not one of us.Last and not least by using this word we take the power from you b****.You can't hurt us with it anymore that's why the KKK and Nazi's started calling us MUD PEOPLE DUMMY and KAFFER!!! It does not effect us if we don't allow it.I admit it still sting's and alot of us would try to kill you behind it but that's the point.Yes Muffy I'm proud of Who and what I am .You see I have no choice.Knowone will respect me if I don't.All of my many Many MANY women friend's would not want to f*** me.It's called confidence you should look into it.So obviously Metal is the answer does not blow me.However one of the women that does blow me is White.So's her roomate I sleep with both of them from time to time.I'd never pull that off if I did not have any pride in myself.You will probably never pull it off just because your IGNORANT ! But I digress.In any event I catch alot of flack on both sides of the fence because I don't act like I'm black I don't talk like I'm black & I like to do thing's like hang out at the beach,go bungee jumping cliff diving etc. Oh yeah I listen to alot of Metal.along with my Hip hop.They both keep me sane in an insane world.The same place wheir unfortunatly people like you live.In closing let me sum it up like this Confidence is much better than Arrogance.Women find Intelligence way sexier than Ignorance.Sex is way better when you mix it up (we all have the same part's completely regardles of race so try someone that aint like you today !! and join the rest of us happy race mixer's. I don't mean rape muffy get some game)No p***y sh**...I SMELL p***y(yes I mean you!!!) and last but not least Nu metal has run it's course for now.Only certaine specific band's are gonna survive this drying up period so to speak.Unfortunatly Limp Bizkit aint goin knowheir folk's.Durst is nothing if not adaptable.Muffy I'm no longer acknowledgeing you ! If you were worth my time you would not be hideing behind a computer.That's another way to take your power.

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127. Rulin madk writes:

What's up blackdog?! how are things at wherever you live.
But seriously whats Muffy's source of power?
Castle Gayskull!?!? Hahaha!

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128. BLACKDOG writes:

Yeah He probably Scream's I HAVE THE POWER when he's jerking off .Thing's are good here thank's for asking.

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129. brokenwings13 writes:

Welcome back Blackdog, we've missed ya!

Yes, Intelligence is way sexier than Ingorance. I'd prefer a smart man, who knows a thing or two about the world.

Color has no issue in anything. For instance there could be a black Pope elected. I would have no problem with that as long as he's Catholic. The qualifications to be Pope aren't that you're white or Italian, it's that you're Catholic.

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130. BLACKDOG writes:

It's good to be back brokenwings.I missed you guy's too.If we get a black POPE great but I think we may see a black president 1st.We'll probably get a female president 1st.I could be wrong though.Prince saide it best You can be the President I'd rather be the Pope you can be the side effect I'd rather be the Dope. Get it ?

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131. brokenwings13 writes:

Got it.

Ok, 2008, I bet Condi Rice will run for Office and get elected. She'll probably run against Hillary Clinton, that would be historical to say the least. But alot can happen in 4 years.

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132. BLACKDOG writes:

GOD PLEASE NOT CONDI . However She's better than JEB BUSH.Their already dropping hint's about him.

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133. brokenwings13 writes:

Don't fret, she said she wasn't running, but again I reiterate, alot can happen in four years.

I would hate to see Jeb Bush get into the Oval Office, especially after the whole Terri Schiavo debacle, in fact I'm mad at the president about it too. That was a family matter that got dragged into the court system by Terri Schiavo's parents who wouldn't let go and face the fact that their daughter wasn't going to get better, so they dragged our government into it.

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134. BLACKDOG writes:

TRUER WORD'S NEVER SAIDE !!! If that ever happend to me I would hope someone would have the good taste if not common decency to pull the plug.They would't be doing me any favors by letting me live the rest of my life as a vegetable.Their's an old Chinese proverb I forget how it goes exactly but the meaning is clear.You can have all the money in world.If you don't have your health you don't have anything.It was clearly her time.They should have let her go peacefully as opposed to the media circus they created.

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135. brokenwings13 writes:

Yep. I'd hate to live like that, to me that's not living, you're not experiencing the wonders of being alive, being in love, just being, you're just sitting there, converting oxygen into carbon dioxide.

Starving is by no means peaceful, but they couldn't inject her with anything because that's Kevorkianism and that's banned by law.

And I'm sure her parents are p***ed off, but they need to realize that it was her husband's right to choose wheter she lived or died. At first he thought she was going to make it, he put himself through nursing school so he could take care of her, but after five years he realized she's not getting any better, it's time to pull the plug.

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136. BLACKDOG writes:

Under the circumstances that law should be resended.

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137. brokenwings13 writes:

They wouldn't do it. And another thing, her parents and attornys plead to the courts to make a law just for her, which it's unconstitutional to make enact a law that reatins to one person, it must effect every citizen, not one, in order to be fair.

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138. BLACKDOG writes:

I'm sure their hearts were in the right place as misguided as they were but it was still a waste of time.Not to mention a huge source of aggravation and embarrasment for her Husband.

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139. RememberMetal? writes:

Condi IS infact, the DEVIL!!!! I would hope that Clinton would stomp all over her....and if another Bush gets elected theres at least a slim chance of me eating a round from a magnum, (joke) but that possibility is just too horrible to contemplate.

Ill be damned if this hasnt been the most interesting forum in a while.....The merits of nu-metal and the reasons it sucks, politics, racism, the whole having mercy on the Schiavo girl, American history....Obligatory Muffy bashing....quite a spellbinding array of topics actually....if a bit of an odd post to discuss all of these things.

welcome back Blackdog

f*** off Muffy

I just got paid...

Can anyone suggest a CRUSHINGLY fast and heavy band/album....I need something frantic along the lines of Strapping Young Lad, Dillinger Escape Plan, Converge or Killswitch Engage. post ideas here cus i've pretty much burnt myself out on Strappings new one and the Killswitch re-release.

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140. Josh writes:

I really hate it when ppl say korn is nu metal and compare them to limp bizkit. Limp Bizkit is so fake and there just a bunch of wanna be black ppl. But to say KoRn is like rap is just stupid.

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141. Negatyve_One writes:

Korn and Limp Bizkit are in the same boat. Slipknot is now in that boat after their last album.


But now ill probably get flamed by some kid writing in all caps that his band rules, and i should f*** off, or suck d*** or something of that like.

Those people should be banned from the site.

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142. bradispissed writes:

i saw god forbid last night and i must say they are a fairly good live band.


crushingly fast and heavy you say? you cant go wrong with the new kreator or behemoth records.

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143. BLACKDOG writes:

I would love to help you Remembermetal but I'm currently in the process of OD'ing on the new Judas Priest,Kill switch,Trivium and eventually the new MotorHead.BTW Thank's it's good to be back.

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144. rulin madk writes:

liked god forbid huh? Yeah their cd's does not do that band justice compared to their live shows.
Music suggestions the new Immolation cd "Harnessing Ruin" smacked me around like a 2
dolla hoe at a crackhouse. And anything from Children Of Bodom. Man if a band can make a
Andrew WK song sound good that's incredible!!!!

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145. PerfektDrug5437 writes:

"I really hate it when ppl say korn is nu metal and compare them to limp bizkit. Limp Bizkit is so fake and there just a bunch of wanna be black ppl. But to say KoRn is like rap is just stupid. "

I completly agree.
Limp Bizkit, is horrible, IMO, fred durst sucks.
Korn...other than some collaborations...i dont see where the hell you get the rap from, Jon Davis dosnt rap in any of his songs. Its such bs. Ive loved korn since they came out. IMO, its the best f***in band out there. I could really care less tho if anyone thinks different.

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146. bradispissed writes:

ummmmm word up?

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147. BLACKDOG writes:

Fight the Power ? In any event your intitled to your opinion.

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148. brokenwings13 writes:

It's all rap.

God Forbid is good. Trivium, and try some Heaven Shall Burn.

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149. bradispissed writes:

heaven shall burn = winter solstice


metalcore is all starting to sound the damn same. its a f***ing formula genre.

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150. brokenwings13 writes:

I was just suggesting!! Dammit Brad!

Every genre is a formula!!

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151. bradispissed writes:

nu uh


i'll just leave it at that

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152. brokenwings13 writes:

What, your poetic genius was show, and you stop?

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153. metal is the answer writes:

no, they shouldnt be banned. we need ignorant stupid fools around to make us look good

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154. fuck nu metal writes:

like my name says ,f*** nu metal,nu metal is not metal,i believe in talent in metal and nu metal just consist of only bar chords,no talent,its all about the morbid angel and diecide.

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155. weiner writes:

fu*k off a$$hole STATIC-X is considered nu metal so up yours c*** sucker

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156. RememberMetal? writes:

post 151 "nuh uh"....f***ing brilliant.....

Triviums got the lead right now as far as me going out to get something new. Kreator, Behemoth, COD, and Immolation are front runners...save for Behemoth, i've heard a few songs from all of those bands....I have 2 of God Forbids cds (fun stuff) so i'm aiming for something differnt from them...though I am curious about what their latest one sounds like.

thanks for all the suggestions everyone I'll probably run out tomorrow when I have they day off to get something. Keep throwing ideas at me, give me your favorite bands.

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157. unearthed writes:

Remembermetal......what about "all that remains", "Blood has been shed" and of course lets not foget Unearth (the on coming storm) these are just a few .

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158. RememberMetal? writes:

you have me curious Unearthed about...heh, Unearth...this is one of those bands i've somehow missed live TWICE and everyone who has seem em says their marvelous....yet I havent heard a single song of theirs.....so good call, I may be getting a disk from them...which would you say is the best to start with?

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159. Muffie writes:

Yo, wat up blackdog? gld yo back. I want to be like madk and the rest of these fags and suck your d***. I want to ignore your ethnocentrism and beg for your forgiveness. Your views on politics and life r truly eye opening. Power to the people, yea....black and proud, yea..Oh, by the way I find it typical that one of you p***ys stole the name Muffy. If your arguments hold so much validity then why register the name. Keep it open, so anyone who wishes to impersonate has the oppertunity.

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160. unearthed writes:

remembermetal, there newest one "the on coming storm" is there best to date. Enjoy!!

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161. SickJester88 writes:

Why do people bicker over these subjects? Why the labels...the genres? What ever happened to just listening to the music?

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162. KMADD writes:

nu-metal is music?
thats a shock.

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163. unearthed writes:

I agree with with post 161. everyone on this site listens to some form of metal, and not everyone agrees with some of it ,but for fucck sakes at least its not Hip Hop or R&B.

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164. unearthed writes:

listening to the new mudvayne album right now.......not bad at all I am going to get this album tomorrow

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165. DerailTheTrain writes:

maybe it's just me but does Muffy seem to get more pathetic with each post?

I mean, i dont even have anything against muffy (though i dont take muffys racist stance) and every time muffy posts it gets a little more weak convoluted and just kind of sad....Its alot like having an arguement with a senile old coot or a 4 year....

It's clear neither side is going to budge and since black dog and remembermetal hung up their gloves and said their done muffy just wants another go even though muffys pretty much been squashed.

it's not my fight either way just thought i'd point out the obvious. and yeah Unearthed are pretty good....Their guitarists are leaps and bounds beyond many in the same genre. get their newest one RememberMetal?. It's actually in my car rite now.

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166. brokenwings13 writes:

Muffy has always been pathetic. It's just a waste of oxygen really.

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167. RememberMetal? writes:

Heh, nope it's not just you derail....

Muffy has resorted to the same thing angry little 6th graders do, name calling and fun little slogans like the melodramatic "you'll never know the truth" and the hilarious "i call it like i see it" each slogan from muffy is more or less an admission of defeat. Then the bewildering use of "fags" and "gay"... Is that supposed to upset us?....That worked when I was 6 but it's just really funny now....

Back on target.. Thanks for all the suggestions everyone..I'm going to give Unearth and Trivium a shot tomorrow. Contemplating the new Mudvayne since it's only 9 bucks and learning their bassists parts is a blast.

Take it easy all, even you Muffy, dont let societies utter rejection of you get ya down.

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168. bradispissed writes:

i just remembered to listen to frank zappa

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169. BLACKDOG writes:

I totally agree with post 161.However some people here seem to think their special just because of their skin color.As a result if you look back over the previous post's I'm sure you'll understand what and who I'm talking about.Muffy I gotta hand it to you.If nothing else you seem to be quite determind to get your point across.I could almost respect that If your view's were not so narrow minded and ethnocentric not to mention INSANE !You don't have to appologize to me because I would never appologize to you.So ontop of the fact that your argument's have little or no merit your last post was just pointless at best.I mean seriously I know I saide I would be ignoring you but that last post was nothing short of pathetic.Maybe remember metal was right maybe you really are feeding off all this negativity just like every other hate monger in history (hitler,david duke etc.).In any event I assure you Knowone here is blowing me.If that were possible I'd be much better indowed than the stereo types imply.(I'm black not Plastic Man.)I could go on and on about race and this that and the other , but I try to avoid this because their's no real point until someone like you get's started the crazy thing is you actually never thought anyone would respond.On that note rulin madk bradisp***ed brokenwings remembermetal metal is the answer if you guy's wan't to verbally b**** slap him he's your's I'm getting bored.

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170. BLACKDOG writes:

Now can we PLEASE GET BACK TO THE f***ING SUBJECT !!!!!

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171. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

I was bored so I read the whole Muffy vs Blackdog, RememberMetal, Brokenwings, MadK, Bradisp***ed, Metalistheanswer saga.....i guess i could have said muffy vs metal underground.

They're (post 165-167) right!!!!

Muffy DOES get more pathetic when you tear Muffys case and verbal tactics open and point out all the logic holes and flaws...not to mention just ignoring muffys posts.....

Muffy didnt even argue against anything from posts 63, 84, 86, 93 and 126....I have a bachelors degree in communications so i can with some expertise say, that Muffy lost by a landslide in this debate.

also muffy must not have much of a life guys look at post...118...it was done on a friday night @ TWO AM!!!!!!...which was why i was laughing when at the start of this post......and while i'll end my post laughing too

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

ps im thru with this nonsense too, even though i've been more of an obsever than anything.

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172. metal is the answer writes:

why the hell are we still talking about muffy?!

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173. RememberMetal? writes:

we aren't...I think everything that needs to be said has been....everyones system seems to be purged of the "deride Muffy" thing at this point... hey bradisp***ed...what do you mean by listening to frank zappa?.....how is that demented genius relevent?...just thought i'd ask.

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174. BLACKDOG writes:

He thought He told us that He won't stop He thought He told us that He won't stop.

# Apr 11, 2005 @ 7:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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175. bradispissed writes:

muffy is yffum backwards

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176. DerailTheTrain writes:

NEW TOPIC.....thats actually RELEVANT!!!!

which is the worst Nu-metal band?

which is the best...even if you hate nu-metal find one that you can tolerate and/or atleast respect....

My least favorite......probably Papa Roach or Limpbizkit

the ones i like or don't "hate"....Mudvayne, Slipknot, Sevendust and Cold......other than those grpoups in my opinion it's a mostly tired sh**ty genre.

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177. BLACKDOG writes:

AGREED !!!!

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178. brokenwings13 writes:

Explain to me how Sevendust is Nu-Metal?

My least favorite is System Of A Down. Yes, they are nu.

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179. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

o o o i know i know why sevendust is nu-metal....even though their a cut above most/all other nu-metal bands.

Drop tuned guitars and bass for one thing...as deathbringer said, nothing will get you that label faster.....Angst being a favorite topic for another. Dont get me wrong I really like Sevendust and have all 4 albums....Morgan Rose is one of my favorite drummers AND he can do his vocal parts studio perfect while playing live. Instant respect there. Lajon Whitherspoon is an absolute force of nature too...He can croon their new material perfectly but when he does their old stuff that man f***ing roars...very VERY fun to watch live band. They look so happy after every song too, like they don't get tired of playing their songs because the fans respond so favorably....

I happen too like Soad as both a fan and a musician, they do some very clever stuff: vocally, lyricly, and most importantly instrumentally....Alot of people get bent out of shape with Soad because of their political leanings...and while i side with them on a few of their issues (not all)...I'd be p***ed if my ancestors were slaughtered and todays governments refused to make it an official historical event.
I wouldnt let that get in the way of me liking them even if i flatly hated everything they had to say....they have skill but for some the vocals are an acquired taste.

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180. metal_is_the_answer writes:

sorry nu metal weenies, but there is no hope for you. the ultamite metal is thrash. metallica, megadeth, and anthrax are the best 3 bands of all time!

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181. DerailTheTrain writes:

anthrax is funny...i tip my hate to metallica and megadeth but in all seriousness their ghosts of themselves these days....Nu-Metal has it's flaws but so does any genre that blows up for a time and then expires.

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182. muffie writes:

i eat pigs when im hungry cus im fat and i consider myself a cannabal, so i eat other pigs. the pigs fear me. they scream and run when they see me. i like to chase them down and begin killing them while naked their still alive when my head is inside their stomach as i eat my way through the lining of their still functioning intestines. i am a pig. i eat pigs and pigs are my life. without pigs there is no muffy.

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183. unearthed writes:

WTF???????????????????

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184. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

disregard it.

as far as derails topic (post 176) i'd say my least favorite nu-metal band would be either papa roach disturbed limpbizkit or crazytown....theres a fine line between rap metal and nu-metal but all those bands are horrible in my opinion.....

good ones.....hmm this is tough Mudvaynes pretty good Slipknot have some good moments...wow...thats about it for me...i saw your last post derail (on the joey jordison advice column thing) i didnt know you were a girl came a shock. thought i had all the girls and guys pegged.

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185. brokenwings13 writes:

Mudvayne is an ok band, they're not the best, but they have decent music.

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186. DerailTheTrain writes:

mudvayne is probably my fave out of the nu-metal bands....the singer has tons of range and gut wrenching screams are awesome. yes there are better bands, but mudvayne are extremely good at what they do, and I would love to see them live again.

and i dont think anyone knew i was a girl porcupineopeth. i just never thought to bring it up until remembermetal got a couple girls bent out of shape on the joey gordison advice post thing. which was kind of funny.
~later

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187. unearthed writes:

personally I don't consider Mudvayne nu-metal. Especially there first CD.

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188. unearthed writes:

and 2nd cd as well

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189. BLACKDOG writes:

Bradisp***ed I too would like to know what the GENIEOUS ZAPPA has to do with this if you could explaine. I really don't see a connection so seriously if you could explaine.With a real or wiseass comment.

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190. DerailTheTrain writes:

i've come to pretty much expect absolute randomness from bradisp***ed, ill bet the "pig" post is either his work or remembermetals. Frank zappa is great my sister got me into zappa...and metal later on come to think of it....anywho
mudvayne are nu-metal...their just REALLY good at taking advantage of the best aspects of the genre, nu-metal has such a negative conotation to it, like hair metal...but theres always standout bands that defy the worst aspects of the genre and make awesome music.....it's true to any form.....theres gonna be awesome hardcore bands and sh**ty one, same for black metal, same for jazz, same for punk ect...done ranting
~later

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191. brokenwings13 writes:

You're going to get the wiseass comment, and you know it Blackdog!

Derail is right, you have to expect complete randomness from him. I remember when he was spewing random lines from Beatles' songs.

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192. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

completely agree with derail and brokenwings....im trying to come up with a better nick name than "brokey"....maybe "wingy"...."cripled angel" (shrugs) anyway...just thought i'd chime in on that. have to get groceries or risk starvation....

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193. BLACKDOG writes:

I know please forgive me I was bored againe.

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194. brokenwings13 writes:

Hmmm....I thought this was my nickname?

# Apr 12, 2005 @ 11:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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195. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

well yer calling me porky cus porcupineopeth is such a mouthful...was thinking "bw"...then thought "b-dub" mite be better. so im sticking with "b-dub" if your sticking with porky. well i just blinded myself with brand new supposibly 5 year light bulbs i'll be on my way now.

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196. brokenwings13 writes:

Ok Porky!

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197. brokenwings 13 writes:

when can i get some of that blackdog, dog?

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198. rulin madk writes:

i love suckin black dog..i mean i think he's really neat..whew

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199. brokenwings13 writes:

F**k off.

Even the rest of them know it's an imposter.

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200. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

dont worry b-dub it's obviously muffy, suffering from neglect.

just out of curiosity what have been the latest albums you've purchased and who are your favorite bands? I figure since the majority of the people I like to discuss things with have been posting here I may as well get a feel for everyones tastes....

As matter of fact, everyone post your top 5 bands of all time....of the rock and or metal sort though

Mine are

1 Opeth
2 Porcupine Tree
3 Nine Inch Nails
4 Tomahawk (mike patton IS the best vocalist ever)
5 Tool/A Perfect Circle

the sad thing is theres 90 other bands I really really enjoy too...But these bands are dear too me and are the first names that rolled out of my head.

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201. Andrew writes:

1 Opeth
2 Borknagar
3 Tool/ a perfect circle
4 Satyricon
5 Death

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202. cursed in eternity writes:

andrew...good call with Death in your list. they never recieved the credit they definetly deserved.
1.Slayer
2.Samhain
3.Darkthrone
4.Carcass
5.Mayhem
way to many more to list...these are just the one's that mean something special to me for one reason or another

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203. brokenwings13 writes:

1. Tool/A Perfect Circle
2. Opeth
3. Pantera
4. Danzig/Misfits
5. Metallica

Like everyone else, there's hundreds more to list.

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204. Andrew writes:

wow, you people have good taste in music, thats for sure.

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205. dark silence-billybananas writes:

1.Deicide
2.Cannibal Corpse(w\chris of course)
3.Misfits(w\danzigs)
4.Lamb of God
5.Dark Silence
Once a band loses its integrity, its no longer what music is suppossed to mean........

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206. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

Opeth, Tool/a Pefect Circle, and Lamb of God, are the leaders....Metallica would without a doubt replace Tomahawk or NIN in my list if they hadnt made more than a decades worth of records I loathed. Death, Dark Throne, the Misfits and Pantera are/were the masters of what they do. VERY good tatse here.

# Apr 13, 2005 @ 3:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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207. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

oops mistype somehow i saw LOG more than once...i guess there is no 3rd place diversity good, mistype bad.

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208. kornfans writes:

OOOH! Here I am acting like other ppl again! Maybe Im just mad I haven't got my
crossfade t-shirt in the mail yet or my The Used poster so me and my buttbuddies
suck each other off in gay circle jerk while listening to No Address. So I have to go now
Bi! Bi!

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209. razor writes:

1. Slayer
2. Mastodon
3. Clutch
4.Pantera
5.Motorhead

# Apr 13, 2005 @ 4:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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210. BLACKDOG writes:

If I thought brokenwings wanted that from me and assumung I was somwheir in the immediate area it would be an Honor and a Priviledge to comply.However as previously stated we all know it's not so whatever.Besides I suspect she's about as much of an internet dater as I am.Which is to say NOT !!. 1. METTALICA MOTORHEAD and JUDAS PRIEST(can't decide sorry). 2 . MOTLEY CRUE 3 . KILLSWITCH ENGAGED 4. Led Zeplin 5. SEVENDUST. This list is not in perfect order but the order that they popped into my head.It's subject to change.

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211. BLACKDOG writes:

I also seriously doubt K's gay.

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212. metalthekid writes:

1. METALLICA
2.Led Zepplin
3.Slayer
4.Slipknot
5.Shadows Fall

# Apr 13, 2005 @ 5:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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213. Wiseblood writes:

Who cares what thatashole says Nu-metal will probably not go into extinction its in a minor role todayor any dayrather, its in line to attain some lime light for itself in the future. However quit squabbling over a genre which is most defintely never going to fade away, instead we should adderess the corporate redheaded stepchild of rock whose flavor of the month musical evolution (i.e. catering to the whims of 16/17 yr old hollister wearing, Charles-manson-freakish cult of the shallow) that is most certainly a plague, a diesease if you wil, thats right the selfish hedonism extravaganza known as...... EMO music.THat is right musical garbage, its infecting those around you with its p***y crys of sympathy, pain and "good times" along with its crimes against music and rock it lines the coiffers of none other than corporate radio. I mean honestly EMO music needs to be stopped before it taints this decade much like the way bon jovi tainted music in the 80's with his music video (damn those purple leather pants and that freakin matted a$$ hairspray hair) that launched hair metal. Before long we will find a band (God forbid if it happens) that is more corporate than KISS, and dont any of you argue that theyre not corporate because we all know that KISS will put theyre names on anything and everything except a new album. Thank you for your time
P.S. and if any of you ask "oh and what is wrong with a band being corporate or sell themselves out, there music is still good and the same...." ANSWER there is a difference between an artist putting out an album fueled by ambiton inspiration emotion intelligence etc. (i will forgo the whole "blood sweat and tears" listing ;-) ) and when an artist puts out an album fueled by the dollar (EMO music *cough* Metallica *cough*) thank you....again.....

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214. zaratan writes:

1. Mastodon
2. Blind Guardian

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215. zaratan writes:

1. Mastodon
2. Blind Guardian
3. Moonsorrow (Finnish Pagan Metal at its best)
4. Children of Bodom
5. Nile

# Apr 13, 2005 @ 6:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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216. RememberMetal? writes:

1 Tool
2 Dillinger Escape Plan
3 Strapping Young Lad
4 Opeth
5 "early" Metallica

Mastadon are insane. great selection

# Apr 13, 2005 @ 7:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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217. RememberMetal? writes:

I also happen to like some of the less obvious choices of Blackdogs, Sevendust are alittle more on the tame side but they are high energy (morgan rose is awesome just for playing the way he does AND doing those great vocal parts) and Killswitch have never let me down, their first 2 records are awe inspiring

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218. metal is the answer writes:

1. early metallica
2. megadeth
3. pantera
4. anthrax
5. testament

thrash is the king of metal!

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219. DEADMETAL writes:

1. Lamb of God
2. Pantera
3. Hatebreed
4. Alice in Chains
5. i know, they dont fit but ...... Korn!

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220. druid writes:

ha, LOG before pantera...

what a tool

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221. druid loves to rub his own pussy writes:

f*** druid

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222. RememberMetal? writes:

yeah...LOG while good, should not be held above Pantera.....

BUT this is also dead metals list. Not yours druid.....while you may not like his taste at least he didnt put LINKIN PARK.....you can at least show a bit of respect....It can always be worse....

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223. weiner writes:

1. static-x (before the tripp thing)
2. slipknot
3. mudvayne
4. unloco
5. the gentlemen homicide

BITTER BEUCOLIC

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224. Dark Silence-Bill Banans writes:

Wiseblood the REAL PROBLEM on the nose...EMO....THIS sh** HAS TO GO!!! they are definetly trying to ruin our metal scence.....I used to think EMO was just for little girls you didnt know what the f*** to listen to,but now its like everybody is into this sh**.I have made a stand againest this plague.....more people need to step up an tell these f***s the deal cuz its just wrong to play music like that. whos with me on this i want to know if you metal people hate this sh** too. type EMO has to GO, if your with me on this.....

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225. razor writes:

thrash is the king of metal, but where is slayer?

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226. KMADD writes:

Thanks Blackdog.
But look.
To my fans dont hate cause you cant impersonate. hahahaha!

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227. DEADMETAL writes:

finally registered your name huh? nice move.

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228. DEADMETAL writes:

i couldnt decide between hatebreed and superjoint ritual. i still love phil, i dont care what happened. i think superjoint rocks, so sloppy but so good.

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229. Wiseblood writes:

Dude hell yeah dark silence EMO is the worst damn thing ever and I have a suspicion that it will not leave rather it has the makings of a base auidience who will not be cured with in this decade. EMO beyond any doubt will fade away subtly, leaving its rot on other music genres long after its apex of limelight. But the question is WHEN? It's an amalgamation of pop culture and "mainstream" themes that will guarantee itself a long run in mainstream media. Starting with weezer creed (god i hate that FU'CKIN band jesus christ) and others its slithered unto more profitable names like yellowcard thursday taking back sunday etc. the flow of fag rock is not to subside but in reality is just beginning, the roots are in place and the weed is growing exponentially taking up radio time (but in effect who actually still listens to the radio for their music fix in this forum? I, for one, dont....) and converting normal human beings into pussified b****es.

WHAT CAN YOU DO???
1.) harass the radio stations that do play it (this will do little but it does let them know there is dessent in their listening base and its just funny as sh** to f*** with'em)
2.) push the metal agenda everywhere you go, Inyour car play metal (in somebody elses car force em to play it or beat their ass, because we all know that a radio playing Metal is for damn sure not playing EMO) play it and play it some more when done playing the METAL continue thinking, talking to others and/or play it some more.
3.) use any method in which you deem successful by being charitous and giving away metal to inspire the mass or write "EMO FAG" on a known EMO listener's car with a Sharpie Industrial ink brand pen (which will, My friends, survive mostly any or all chemical designed to remove it, leaving an unsightly strip of duct tape,for the time being to cover it up, before the EMO FAG is required to pay for a new paint job....)
Thank you continue with more ANTI-EMO techniques posts on this thread plz

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230. DESHIELDSTIM@YAHOO.COM writes:

NU METAL SUCKS a$$ DEATH METAL ALL THE f***IN WAY

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231. Rulin Kmadd writes:

good post 230.

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232. Chino writes:

ah come on deftones are better than korn or any other "nu-metal" band f*** they have bashed korn for singing about the same old crap "Moreno's most recent barb was launched against Korn. He ripped Jonathan Davis in the August issue of Revolver magazine, saying his songwriting overused angst and themes of bad childhoods and bad parents." but whatever think what you guys want to...oh yeah deftones have tried to seperate themselves from nu-metal for a while

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233. BLACKDOG writes:

Ok I do enjoy the Def Tones.Their I saide it.They are definitely one of the band's that's going to survive the fall of Nu Metal.As far as the Emo thing that's going on.I would just like to say SHUT THE f*** UP YOU WHINEY BASTARD'S.What happend to the day's when ROCK was ROCK!!!! These guy's are crying about DADDY did'nt love me MOMMY did'nt hug me.What ever happend to song's about Sex Drug's and ROCK n ROLL !!!Why cry about your life being f***ed up(just like everybody else's).Obviuosly it aint alway's gotta be Metal for me but that sh** SUCKS SOMETHIN AWFUL it's depressing and pathetic and I wish the f***ing A&R rep's at the record label's would take a chance on someone or something different if not angry and agressive.The way this sh** is getting out of hand.I'd settle for a full blown Y&T reunion tour featuring Poison & Faster p***yCat as opener's.Hell MOTORHEAD'S been around for f***ing ever and they are forced to take a back seat to this BULLsh** !!! C'MON MAN !!! LET'S get some real ROCK AND OR METAL BACK ON THE RADIO!!! f*** EMO !!!

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234. RememberMetal? writes:

It's a generational thing more than anything.....

I'm 24, so my generation was into grunge, pop-punk and industrial in their teens and post grunge, nu-metal and rap metal in to their late teens and 20's....as in the members of my generation that ONLY got their music from Mtv and radio anyway....

The nu trends for right now in order: garage rock(white stripes, strokes), dance-pop-rock a.k.a nu-wave (the killers, Frans Ferinand) and now this weird bastard goth-Emo-rock thing ( My Chemical Romance, The Used, Taking Back Sunday, Thursday etc...)

Heres what kills me.....Some of the best songs written are about pain, tragedy and misery....When you cut all rock down to it's most essential components it all goes back to the blues anyway.....BUT if a band (even a nu-metal band) were to rail against their woes, they at least had the sense to get p***ed off about it and take the Hatebreed route and fight back.

It's kinda funny....everyone kinda got all up in arms about nu-metal and now the worst part of the genre, and i think most agree with me: THE WHINNING, is the signature staple of this nu-emo thing.....

Ex. "I'm NOT OKAY (i promise) by My Chemical Romance....christ.....it's even in the title....THIS is what the teenies are eating up right now...and the problem will get worse before it gets better (i promise).

fight the power (as public enemy once put it)

f*** emo (as everyone here is saying)

viva la metal (thats my own little additon)

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235. BLACKDOG writes:

OK I FEEL BETTER NOW.

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236. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

RememberMetal you have a gift for articulating my sentiments better than I myself can....well said (post 234) I had to deal with that My Chemical Romance sh** LAST NIGHT!...heres the story

I had some friends over last nite for drinks (all musicians and longtime friends) and the plan was to get together jam a bit and get drunk and play video games....We do this every month.....

Well friend C. we'll call him, is a bit of a depressive. He's on a few meds and has his head steeped in goth culture (he has for going on 10 years now).....He brought over the new My Chemical Romance cd and more or less forced us to sit thru the whole thing.

Whats sad about this band is theres some decent musicianship flying around but the singer does this horrible vocal wavering thing, that i'm sure has some appeal to deranged people but it just made me want to claw my eyes out......

it's pre-teen angst put to vocals, perfectly....and it was horrible.....

Bending vocal notes can be impressive in the right situation but the singer for this band ABUSES the technique.

and now i have a terrible hangover and i'm talking about a band I wanted to forget last night. well, i need gatorade and Opeth ("Damnation"....if i listened to "Deliverence" with a hangover my head might rupture)

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237. doobie666 writes:

all nu-metal is f***ing bullsh**. the only good nu metal band worth listening to is slipknot.

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238. brokenwings13 writes:

No, the only "nu-metal" band worth listening to is Mudvayne.

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239. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

heh, i think their both good, mudvayne somewhat better....can we at least all agree that emo deserves the death penalty?

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240. BLACKDOG writes:

YES !

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241. bradispissed writes:

hey guess what


i have dried banana on my pants

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242. BLACKDOG writes:

EEWW !!!

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243. DerailTheTrain writes:

dried banana huh?.....im guessing yer at your computer...u sure it's not something else brad?

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244. RememberMetal? writes:

ik....thats, foul....anyway yes the death penalty is a fitting punishment for all the wrongs emo has brought down on this world.....10 back to back life sentences just isnt cutting it.

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245. DarkSilence writes:

Im going to start an Emo awareness chapter here.....it just seems not enough people seem to understand the severity of this problem(outside this forum of course)
An im from the same place as coheed....i f***in hate this dudes,only because the music is absolute sh** an they love themselves for it....Hey guys lets all start EMO AWARENESS CHAPTERS(E.A.C.)...hold meetings an stay up on these f***s....
f*** EMO!

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246. bradispissed writes:

mormons love to ride bikes


what the sam hell is going on here?


why wont vital remains tour?


why the f*** cant the pope be black? and jewish at the same time?

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247. metal is the answer writes:

haha, bradisp***ed you are the most random person i have ever seen. well, not seen, more like read

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248. RememberMetal? writes:

Consider me an active member Darksilence.....coheed and cambrias singer makes me want to rip my own hair out and scream till i sound like a goose....THEY...just because of their singer, are the worst of the lot....everyone pick the emo band you hate most and state why.

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249. metal is the answer writes:

saves the day- their singer is so annoying and whiny

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i saw coheed in phoenix and they sucked balls, i also saw flotsam and jetsam and they sucked even more balls

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251. DEADMETAL writes:

i saw flotsam with agnostic front and hatebreed, it was like like seeing garth brooks play ozzfest, flotsam sucked and ruined the first half of the show, then agnostic front and hatebreed killed all.

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252. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

well i would have agreed completely with remembermetal just a couple days ago, Coheeds singer needs to get his balls checked having vocals like that......

But after enduring My Chemical Romace...the entire cd....which i have now disallowed from my apartment, and anywhere near it........I must politely say that they are the worst sewage to come from this horrible emo thing......

Emo was....we'll say tolerable when it was Weezer and ONLY Weezer, because that was them and it was somewhat ORIGINAL but they still suck(ed)...now there 300 weezers that are 1,000 times worse.....and i cant f***ing take it....I hate New Found Glory too....f***ing mall punk emo bastards...

If we're taking ranks in the war against emo make me a Major at least......Though I'd be the best General ever....

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253. summertime writes:

I've been Strapping Young Lad's new one over the last coupla weeks
is that allowed sir?? pfft

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Allowed?...of course SYL is allowed...they better f***in' be, thier one of the best metal bands ever....and yeah I want in the EAC....i like the rank idea too. (dis)Order must be established and emo must be crushed.....Townsend uses his range tastefully, like Maynard Keenan or Mikael Akerfeldt, he doesnt wail like a toddler getting her a$$ lashed with a bullwhip like Coheed, My Chemical Romance and The Promise Ring.

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255. Outsider writes:

OMG, LOL and so on. This thread was an utter waste of time to read, but thanks to Muffy, I got some laughs. Muffy: you are absolutely correct in your opinions and all these suckers who can't spell can't prove you wrong! Even with a "bachelorz deggree in communikation". Keep up the good work!

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256. Dark Silence writes:

EAC is a good idea where is everyone from,Im from the hudson vally in upstate NY,i really serious i want to see how many members we can get my name is Billy Bananas an I f***in hate the emo scene so much im going to do something about this sh**! check out the web site www.freewebs.com\darksilence....lets get some unity an stop the f***in bleeding

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257. asianfetish writes:

I'm giving it up for Korn!!!! and Nirvana. But Slipknot is progressing...

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258. DerailTheTrain writes:

Outsider = Muffy

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259. BLACKDOG writes:

OMG, LOL and so on. This thread was an utter waste of time to read, but thanks to Muffy, I got some laughs. Muffy: you are absolutely correct in your opinions and all these suckers who can't spell can't prove you wrong! Even with a "bachelorz deggree in communikation". Keep up the good work!

SHUT THE f*** UP ! Be happy I have no idea who or wheir I might find you COWARD !!! as far as the previous question goes MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE annoy's the sh** out of me.It's bad enough every lead singer of damn near every band in this genre feel's an uncontrollable need to look like Marilyn Manson bastard children.(a look that could only work for goth chick's I might add.)The thing that really cheeses me off this guy seem's to be stealling a gimmick from the lead singer of a Hard Rock/Punk act from Canada called the Head Stones(far superior band)He comes out on stage dressed as a corpse that just climbed out of his coffin.The poser appears in a similar fashion.That's why they really tick me off !!!

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260. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

Feh, dont let ousider piss you off, ill bet anything that derails rite and that outsider is muffy with a new name. That kind of person can only draw support from themself when noone else agrees with them.

Don't add fuel to the fire blackdog, we're moving on, muffy is history, we made our points....NONE of which muffy managed to overturn, which is quite satisfying.

My question: Why beat up someone who is already mewling on the floor with brain damage? The fights over, good guys won, the fallen looks more retarded, wrong, awkward and defeated than ever.

And outsider is pretty much how muffy feels in a world or on this site that has no regard whatsoever for him/ her/ it so just leave this wholething at that.

Im going to check out darksilences anti-emo site. should at least be entertaining, the we have to stop the bleeding remark had me on the floor laughing.

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Your right I slipped.I RRRREEEEAAAALLLLYYYY HATE IGNORANT PEOPLE !!!!

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262. RememberMetal? writes:

heh, well it looks like someone took muffys name and even registered it just to keep muffy from posting with it...I wish i could take credit for it but i can't. As for muffys other names just ignore them the old trick of trying to post as someone else agreeing with muffy is almost too hilarious and Ill bet anything that derailthetrain is right....just dont let muffy or any of muffys other identies get under your skin, like PorcupineOpeth99 said the war is won...Muffy never made one point of contention against anything we said....not once, there was a feeble attempt at some point but it lacked substance...so ignore muffy and all muffys names is pretty much my outlook.

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263. deshieldstim@yahoo.com writes:

HAHAHA ALL DEATH METAL RULES. f*** EMO ALL THEY ARE IS ABUNCH OF CRY BABY b****ES IF YOU ALL AGREE E-MAIL ME

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there is no way to define nu-metal.look at the bands your camparing. korn=deftones mudvane=taproot. slipknot=nirvana.
nu-metal is a way of life thats the only way to group theese guys together. i mean f***en slipknot is damn near death metal[soft death metal]. and i say that not as the maggit i am but as a fan of music in general. taproot although really cool was the beging of the now new wave emo bullsh** thats all around my high school. and korn has rebirthed with every c-d unless your camparing thier debut and ''life is peachy''. look at ''untouchables'' and then ''take a look into the mirror'' two of thier best c-ds. and the deftones. if you dont know your a f***en discrace to the metal world:IN THE BEGING THERE WAS DUST,WING,AND THE DEFTONES!

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WIND............my bad yo

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266. DerailTheTrain writes:

wow...............Thats the most bizarre post i've read in awhile..only brad, remembermetal and muffy have put up stranger ones.........

johnisgod, get your ears or head checked, Slipknot, while to some degree skilled are not a death metal band. Amon Amarth and Cannibal Corpse, are death metal....Slipknot is nu-metal with a dash of many other sub-genres....
i also think the otherguy was saying slipknot = nirvana as in the ultimate state of bliss....not the dead grunge band.
and work on yer spelling, i figured if you were god, john you could at least spell "maggot" since you claim to be one.

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267. RememberMetal? writes:

hey....my posts arent that wierd.....

f***, nevermind yer rite they are...heh.

anyway johnisgod should more or less change his name to johnisonmeth....that rant is so off kilter i'm almost sure it's there to throw people into hysterics.....then again...i dunno, i think he's just limited in his exposure to metal or something....christ i cant explain it, defend it or attack it.....

dust wind and the deftones????? perhaps he means angel dust....the deftones are great in their own rite but they only have a few "metal" songs...they arent a metal band at all really....more a heavy alternative rock band than anything, a compelling one i think, but not metal.

I dont even know what to make of the korn rant..... heres my korn rant instead......

Korn had a very impressive dark and at the time unique debut record..... yay for them.

Their second one was decent with moments of greatness....but paled to the first, here begins their slow decline from something close to grace.

Their 3rd one was made to conquer all, which they did, even if it wasnt as dark or gritty as their first. Too much rapping......................me + rap = barf x 7

The 4th one had awesome riffs (me knows my riffs, them good) but half assed lyrics and several throw aways..................bought it used for $2.89, worth it i guess....still deciding 6 years later.

"Untouchables" was good and even managed to sound different, but was again suffering from hit and miss lyrics.

And the last outing "Mirror" had 2 really good songs and the rest of the album was utterly forgettable....And then the terrible, TERRIBLE covers started....and are persisting.....I SWEAR TO GOD THEY HAVE TO STOP!!!!!!!!!!!

Heh oh yeah, speaking of "God", then that psycho head found god and decided it would be smart to try and make a convert out of 50cent, whose made about 999999999999999900000000000000001 dollars in the last 6 weeks....

good luck head.....he sure sounds poised to change his evil ways to me....

someone sign up johnisgod for a spelling bee, he'll be a laughing stock.

i have to sleep now, i've been working 3rd shift and the comfy bed thing calls, toodles daylight dwelling normal people.

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personally f*** you all. i'm only 16 and i could care less if i could spell or not. metal or paying attention in school.ummm, what shall i'll pick. and yes my f***en conections into the metal world are low. i know what f***en death metal is [acheron,tri redemtion, and yes cannibal corpse]. finally the deftones may or may not be metal in your queer eyes. rather they are/arn't metal they've payed thier tribute. is there really any way to define metal other than heavy angery f***en music

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derail the train:
i'm not claiming to be anything. i know what i am. rather its maggit or maggot f*** you. if you got a problem with me or my spelling what are you gonna do about it. i'm just exspressing my views. if you disagree fine but you don't have to be a f***en prick about it

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270. liquid_pryo9 writes:

I personal believe there is no such thing as nu-metal. There 3 basic categories that the supposed "nu-metal" consists of: metal (mostly mainstream), hard rock, and rap-rock/metal. unfortunately people have gotten lazy and have decided to make them all one.
First, bands such as linkin park, limp bizkit, and rage against the machine should be put under rap-rock/metal. Second, bands like disturbed, cold,sevendust, taproot, and godsmack should be called hard rock (because they are heavier than what is traditionally called just rock). Finally, bands like NOTHINGFACE, MUDVAYNE, slipknot, korn, ill nino, and 40 below summer should be classified as metal bands.
Now, I think that the only reason why people are choosing to classified these bands as "nu-metal" is because of the extended radio play time. The only reason why these bands are receiving more air time is because hard rock and metal music is becoming more socially acceptable to listen to on the radio. So, our fellow metalheads (the DJ's) are jumping at this opportunity and trying to get our music out to the rest of the listening audience.
Having said that, why do so many people here in the metal and hard rock community sit there and complain about how much the radio play sucks, and then when a heavier band starts getting air play, they accuse that band of selling out or being less metal or even saying they suck just because they are on the radio.
That's all I got to say, "Nu-Metal" is dead, it is dead because it never existed to begin with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rock On B*cthes (no matter what you listen to) \m/\m/

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271. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

ill accept that...liquidpyros summary is pretty accurate in my semi-expert opinion. good way to close out too. well said.

johnisgod, don't give up on the school thing man, it's worth it i promise. People like RememberMetal and derailthetrain will take you more seriously if you can spell.

People will also respect your opinions if they can read them and make sense of them....Being sixteen should have nothing to do with this....

also if u want a sturdy definition of nu-metal remembermetal had a good one at post 8 on this thread

oh and derail is prolly gonna go batty since shes a girl and you called her a prick, but i think thats happened before so don't dwell on it. she can be mean.

I'm not dogging you either, I see where your coming from and I respect you for it....But you'll make things better for yourself and others if you slow down a bit and take care with how you spell and what you mean to say.

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f*** yourself porc, im not mean.

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i once f***ed a swine

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274. BLACKDOG writes:

Liquid .....Good point.Like I saide before everything run's in cycles and the fact that Rock/metal is getting more air-play is a sighn that people are starting to get tired of what's currently conciderd POP.Lord knowes I am.So until Muffy get's laide MAKE MINE METAL or atleast underground Punk or Hip Hop.

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275. BLACKDOG writes:

So until Muffy get's laide I know it was uncalled for but I'm ina a fairly bad mood and I couldn't help myself .

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276. johnisgod writes:

these are all good points. i don't mean to start grudges with people but this what i believe so i fight for it.if your not down then i'm gonna share my mind.at least i'm not fighting for f***en icp or my chemical romance

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277. Luke writes:

Some nu-metal rocks. Some nu-metal sucks.
Every genre has its artists who suck, and its artists who rock.

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278. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

good point there john

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279. johnisgod writes:

if your speaking to me thank you

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280. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

icp and mcr are the worst hog-wash this side of hell, and don't worry about letting sh** fly, thats pretty normal around here.

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281. DEADMETAL writes:

post 270 was a solid post .... good info ..... as much as i know how much sh** i'm gonna get i'm still gonna relate this to you guys. i saw linkin park like 6 times before their first cd ever came out .... i was like 16 or 17 and they put on the most energetic and awesome live shows .... nobody had any idea who the hell they were but they came out and played great shows and it was a new sound and i loved every minute of it ....... then they started to get lots of attention and radio play and all that sh** and all the sudden they were "sellouts" .... they played the same damn show for like 300 people and it was awesome but the second anybody starts listening they gotta be "sellouts" ..... i have since acquired a taste for much heavier music and listen to mostly hardcore but i think that bands get labeled with a "sellout" label way too easy .... radio play comes from payments and gifts from the bands label .... its not like the bands themselves say "hey, play my record a million times a day on your station" .... thats all done by corporate jackasses ..... anyway .....

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282. DEADMETAL writes:

music is a BUSINESS and people don't get it .....

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283. DEADMETAL writes:

AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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284. bradispissed writes:

music is only a business to the artists with no artistic credibility

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285. brokenwings13 writes:

And life is only life to people who have it.

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286. PorcupineOpeth99 writes:

Uh this is getting off the topic.....we better watch out or some hothead will point out that he doesn't want to read about god, chicken pox, politics or road kill or whatever it is we're about to dive head first into....

to deadmetal
LinkinPark are good at what they do, and their famous for it and they've worked damn hard to get to where they are today....
The sellout label will hit any artiist at anytime with any kind of spotlight on him....People were calling Dillinger Escape Plan sellouts for doing "MAGAZINE INTERVIEWS" between 1999 and 2000....these guys were playing basements and tiny clubs.

LP are a pop-rock band with some other styles thrown in for measure....They are very ear-friendly to anyone younger than 45 and their music is very pop format....verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, BIG CHORUS, fade out....their songs never go beyond 4-5 minutes and tend to be 3 minutes for the most part....this could be grounds for "selling out" to the mainstream commoner listener.....

Unlike a band like "Napalm Death" or "Killing Joke" who will go down as having never budged an inch for the sake of their integrity......LP have made themselves accessible for all but the nursing home crowd....
just differnt strokes for differnt folks is all.

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I think it's the newer bands that are ruining Nu-Metal. They come along and people like them for about a year if that and then all the older bands that kick a$$ change their style to the newer bands. Or in KoRn's case all the other bands want to be like them and KoRn changers their sound to be different. I feel that all the bandfs should leave their sound alone. Nu-Metal will live on!!!!

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288. Rulin Kmadd writes:

I doubt it.

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289. johnisgod writes:

if nu-matal doesn't survive the bands that started it will. even if that doesn't hold out you still got the fans and c-ds that where left behind hanging around.

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290. johnisgod writes:

nu-metal*

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HOW THE f*** COULD I HAVE FORGOTEN ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE KILLING JOKE !!! I'm heading to the dungeon to flog myself for this affront .

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292. deshieldstim@yahoo.com writes:

NU METAL STILL SUCKS ASS

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293. ~*KoRnGoddess*~ writes:

Well if it sucks then dont listen to it

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294. DEADMETAL writes:

to post 284 (brad) ....... "music is only a business to artists with no music credibilty" ....... that statement is COMPLETELY UNTRUE ...... music is a business to ANY artist who wants to make a career as an artist ........ you have to make money to survive and making money is part of business ...... just because an artist makes money from what they do does not mean that they dont have credibility ...... it means that they make money from their talents as most of us wish we could ......

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295. Rulin Kmadd writes:

How can those guys from korn eat? I'ts a mystery they make any kind of money from
making that shiitty music!

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296. johnisgod writes:

you know what f*** it ,f*** you, f*** evrything you a$$ wholes stand for. i've been a loyal korn kid snice the release of life is peachy and ever snice all i hear are b****es like you talk trash about 'em.if you f***en hate thiem so f***ing much why do listen to thiem or post comments with people like me on thiem.
the fact is there are people out there[KORN KIDS] who enjoy thier music. if you don't f***en like it stop with the childish bull sh** and do something about it or agree to dis-agree. kiss my korn kid a$$ you f***ing f***s! and on top of that have a bite of my shiny metal ass.f*** you all and good night.love bender

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297. johnisgod writes:

CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG? YOU f***ING a$$holeS

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298. RememberMetal? writes:

LOL.....

funny thing about nu-metal...the bands that got that ball rolling had little to do with eachother, other than sharing a tour bill together....

FILTER have been called nu-metal even though their more industrial-hard rock than anything......

deftones and korn sound about as similar as Bon Jovi and Pat Boone.....why should two very differnt bands share the same genre title??!?!?

It's all about labels...magazines like Spin, Rollingstone and Revolver use them to attract readers....MTV uses it so people without a strong musical backround can hold their ground in a converstion they know little to nothing about.

kmadd they do whole lot better than most of the bands (perhaps) all of the bands u and i know and love....sad but true. much as you hate them they did something alot of other people really liked. Hating them won't make their fans any less loyal or make korn any less commercially successful.

so it goes....

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299. Rulin Kmadd writes:

I know but it's just funny piissing these korntards off.
Hey maybe I'll get to see head do a beautiful serenade on the 700 club!
Hahahahaha!

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300. brokenwings13 writes:

HAHAHAahahahaha!!

I don't care who you are, that's funny.

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301. Wiseblood writes:

Lol good sh**

but back on topic what strategys have we devised to combat emo whince my long posts a while back hm??

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302. DEADMETAL writes:

kmadd you make fun of all the "kid" korn fans but you act more immature than any "kid" i know

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303. i hate you all writes:

thank you. it's just f u c k i n g music you f*** wholes

# Apr 29, 2005 @ 9:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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304. MarlaSinger writes:

lol....korns have long passed their peak. i have a soft spot for them because they got me into real metal....
and yeah head has officially lost his mind even though he's found jesus.....bleh....
i respect the average korn fan cus at least their not into good charlotte or mcr, so it could always be worse.
and the longer their korn fans the greater the likelihood that they'll uncover bands like Slayer, Opeth, Meshuggah and Fear Factory....thats my two bits and i'm sticking to it.
~later

# Apr 29, 2005 @ 10:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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305. Rulin Kmadd writes:

And I basically can care less.
Listen to some real metal korndorks.
Run to your local record store and pick up Despised Icon's cd The Healing Process.
You'll use your korn cd's for beer coasters after that!

# Apr 30, 2005 @ 5:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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306. BLACKDOG writes:

Hey maybe I'll get to see head do a beautiful serenade on the 700 club!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!!!!

# Apr 30, 2005 @ 7:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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307. johnisgod writes:

you guys are d***s

# May 1, 2005 @ 8:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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308. DEADMETAL writes:

haha blackdog .... rulin madk you are seriously ignorant ..... just because someone likes korn doesnt mean that they cant also like "heavier metal ...... i love korn but have been stuck on demon hunter and terror and mastodon for a long while too ...... listened to "vulgar display of power" all the way through today .... and also the metallica garage days disc 1 ...... one of my favorite metallica songs, track 2, "the small hours" ..... love that sh** .... amyway, you cant assume that all korn fans love all things "nu-metal" ...

# May 2, 2005 @ 2:50 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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309. DEADMETAL writes:

anybody here think that children of bodom would be better without a keyboardist? ..... i think they would sound much better without the cheesy synth ..... still like 'em, they still crush sh** but i think they would sound better raw without the keyboard

# May 2, 2005 @ 2:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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310. RememberMetal? writes:

wow this post dies today...we get to move on yay!...yeah i very much second the COB without synth....well maybe 80% of the songs...sometimes it works "perfect" but for the most part they distract more than serve the song as a whole..

# May 2, 2005 @ 8:05 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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311. bodom after brunch writes:

i love the synth, but not crazy about the synth solos! oh and who gives a f*** about nu-metal 1,2, and coming soon three! any metal that's main stream or "hip" or whatever is probibly sh**ty! but it doesn't matter what music you listen too as long as it makes you feel good than that's all that matters :)

......that was probibly the gayest sh** i've ever said.........

# May 2, 2005 @ 1:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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312. Rulin Kmadd writes:

Actually there is a nu-death metal band (if you believe that) from California called
Bleed The Sky and that is the closest thing I listen to that is remotley nu-metal.
The rest of that shiit can fall into a black hole.

# May 2, 2005 @ 2:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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313. johnisgod writes:

who gives a f***. Kmadd your the biggest douchebag i've ever ran into. i may very well be a ''korntard'' but your nothing more than a pices of sh** with a big childish mouth. you can fall into a f***en black hole.why, you ask like a f***ing prick, because your nothing.N O T H I N G.say it with me nothing.long live korn, jd much love

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