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Latest School Shooter Was Heavy Metal Fan

The 17-year-old student who shot his way through his family and a tribal school in northwest Minnesota Monday (March 21), leaving 10 people dead, including himself, was described by a fellow student as a quiet boy who was into goth culture, listened to heavy metal music, wore "a big old black trench coat" and "talked about death all the time."

The Minneapolis Star Tribune named the suspect as Jeff Weise, a student or former student at the local high school on the Red Lake Indian reservation in remote northern Minnesota. Pat Mills, director of Red Lake's public safety department, said officers were not looking for any other suspects.

It was the worst school shooting in the U.S. since 15 people died in the Columbine massacre in 1999.

Source: Blabbermouth

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1. skribb writes:

You know goths - f***ing idiots

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 1:02 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. trippedoubt writes:

now what must be asked is that if there hadn't been such media saturation over columbine would this kid have had anything to copycat?

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 1:39 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. RememberMetal? writes:

I swear to God, if people blame metal (or even silly goth culture) for another one of these maniacs, im going nuclear.

Heres the scoop.....These kids were either born damaged.....OR they were raised by bad parents....OR a crazy uncle or neighbor molested them when they were 7......OR they bullied for Sooooo long that they began hating themselves and wanting to murder ALL....

In all likelyhood the heavy music he was into.....whichever band gets blamed this time....was a coping mechanism...if i'm having a miserable day i like to blast something thats fast and heavy....it makes me feel better.........Im guessing that mechanism just stopped working for him.

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 2:24 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. tattoocreator writes:

Whoopty f***ing do he listned to metal. What in the name of the gods does that have to with the fact that he's gone rambo on his school!?!?!?!

RememberMetal got it dead on. All we have here is a f***ed up kid that stop caring.

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 2:30 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. fuckthecommericalscum writes:

The media just wants something to blame instead of our nation's "precious" children. It's time we start assigning guilt where it belongs. The media will probably try to single out bands that they deem as "heavy" and put the blame there. Well guess what ladies and gents, the media doesn't know sh**!

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 10:37 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. relentless austin writes:

It's just easier for them to cast blame. That way people don't have to fess up to the real
issues that make this sort of sh** happen.

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 11:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. relentless austin writes:

I just read this kids story on cnn.com.
His father commited suicide, and his mother has problems from head injuries in an
auto accident. Plus he got picked on daily at school.
Of Course!!! Isn't it obvious? It's the heavy metal that did it!

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 1:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Sara666 writes:

This makes me sick. Why does the media always go after metal? It's always "hey that kid is wearing all black, he must worship the devil, Hey look that guys wearing a COF t-shirt we have to suspend him from school , the subliminal messages made the kid kill himself." WTF?

You never hear that Ray Ray from the hood went on a rampage at the b-ball court because of his favorite rapper.

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 4:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. JPMETALUNDERGROUND writes:

f***ing BS media

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 5:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. BLACKDOG writes:

That was low sara but your right ! The problem here is it's easy for them to blame the counter culture just because the religious right and the conservatives are in office right now.This type of bullsh** will alway's get their attention and theirfore sell lot's and lot's of news paper's or comercial airtime.The kid was lonely his parent's were either dead or out of reach I don't know what was happening with his grandfather but something whent wrong their.The really odd thing is this kid was a Native American and the media is implying that he was into Naziism.Apparently he was against race mixing which implies something else intirely and he was logging onto some Nazi websites.This kid was completely f***ED UP !

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 5:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Comrade_Potato writes:

America needs to turn off Dr. Phil and see the world through their own eyes, see both sides, not just what the media makes it to be. There is nothing wrong with Satanicism or Metal/ or Gothicism its just another religion, but, it different therefore the saying "people destory that which they don't understand". Just because he might practice a "non-chrisitian" religion he isnt gonna kill someone about, be honest not everyone is gonna be christian in this increasing growing "christian theocracy" of america as i like to call, if your not christian your a murder, if dont go to church your evil, whats this the middle ages?

Metal might promote violence but, unless your a retard you arent gonna do something about it and what about rap? they'd probably wouldnt blame rap if he had a collection of a 100 rap CDs but, if i has one Metallica or Ozzy CD .... "AH HE MUST BE A DEVIL-WORSHIPPING KILLER RUN"

C'mon let's go throgh a rapist CD collection and see how many gansta rap CDs they own shall we?

Media is just feedin on the facts we're all different and thats a bad thing. (even tho they say we're all the same)

And for the last time GOTHICISM IS NOT ALL BLACK AND DEVIL WORSHIPPING unless your a poser goth .... gothicism is much different and they tend to be atheist not satanic and are more of an interlectual cult than murders so get the info right.

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 6:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. BLACKDOG writes:

OK people your getting out of hand on the RAP thing.Although yes I know many young retard's who behave a certaine way just because DR.DRE did or saide or 50cent saide or did and yes Old black people and the clergy do tend to blame it all on RAP.As if their was no such thing as gang violence and Drug sales before Ice Cube saide f*** THE POLICE.Their are a few different reason's for the fact that you don't hear about it with RAP.I won't go into why because I don't want to offend anyone.The point I'm trying to make is .They are singling Metal out on this incident If he were into RAP it would not get mentioned on this site.

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 6:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. brokenwings13 writes:

Comrade Potato is right, Gothicism is isn't Satan worshipping, that's called SATANISM! DUH!

Anywho, the basis of the predominant Goth culture is actually a mix of Middle/Eastern European culture, kinda Celtic and visigothian. I think. Different history books state different things.

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 6:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. BLACKDOG writes:

Interesting brokenwings13.Seriously tell me more !

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 7:08 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. sex writes:

theres another person that brings the image of metal lower.


and i would also want to know more about brokenwings13 is saying

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 7:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. Sara666 writes:

sorry Blackdog, I wasn't trying to be low. :( It's definatly true that it really doesn't matter what the music influence was, it's just that the poor kid had some major issues, he was probably calling for attention but nobody heard him because instead he was being made fun of and pushed away.

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 7:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Andrew writes:

I Definatly wont fit in this conversation because all you people no what you are talking about, but is there a religion that insists on killing, and is there any bands out there that actualy want there fans to go on f***ing killing sprees? In my opinion there own life is the influence not metal.

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 7:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. brad writes:

i once formed a cult with a shake, a dog sized wad of meat, and a box of fries


we fought crime

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 8:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. BLACKDOG writes:

The Aquateen hunger force ?

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 8:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. Bogus Story writes:

BOGUS BOGUS BOGUS

He was a f***ing hate metal neo nazi fan that sh** suks so much it cannot even be considered part or the heavy metal genre......The genre that sh** is in is called Butt Rock

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 9:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. BLACKDOG writes:

But he was a Native American !!! How the HELL COULD HE WANT TO BE WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO KILL HIM DEAD 1ST CHANCE THEY GET !!! I could respect his view's but to actually try to get involved with the NEO NAZI'S.He was having a huge IDENTITY CRISIS !!!

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 9:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. thadeus writes:

man i feel for the people he killed,but f*** that little bastard.

# Mar 23, 2005 @ 10:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. brokenwings13 writes:

WE ARE THE AQUATEENS!! Damn, MEATWAD IS MY HOMEBOY!!!

Ok, back to some Goth culture history....

REMINDER!! The GOTHS I'm talking about are not those little poser black eyeliner and lipstick kids. NOPE! This is about wartimes........

There are two kinds of goths, the Visigoths and the Ostrogoths.

The time spans of such groups is between the years 12 B.C. and 700 A.D.

The Visigoths were a West Germanic tribe who were extremely violent and were at their peak when the Fall of the Roman Empire happened. In fact, they were Christians. Not Satan worshippers, evil lovers, and atheists as most percieve. They practiced a sect known as Arianism, which is a heretic form of Christianity.

The Ostrogoths are the eastern counterpart of the Goths. They were Arians, but later became Catholics. Just as violent as the Visigoths too.

There's a lot more to this, except it's all battles. This is most of what we know. There was a book by Roman senator Cassiodorus called "Gothic History" and it's never been foinf. it was written some where in thr 500's.

So basically, it's not bondage, black, and hardcore music.

Just thought I'd put that out there. Hope you enjoyed it.

# Mar 24, 2005 @ 1:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. brokenwings13 as Dr. Weird writes:

Hey guys...look at me! I'm now.....SKINNY!

Last night's episode was b****in.

# Mar 24, 2005 @ 1:28 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. brokenwings13 writes:

me again. I just thought I'd mention that the "Modern goth" was in the early 1900's and later. Especially with the evolution of the horror story. Poe, Lovecraft, all of them were labeled as "Gothic culture" Probably because it was dark and everyone associated that with the dark times of the architechture, with the ornate tellings and prose, maybe it reminded them of the cathedrals. No way of telling at this point. No one really ever has a full history of the "Gothic". I looked in my dictionary and it has three meanings.....

1. A member of a Germanic warrior tribe.

2. A person who is dark, gloomy, and listens to lumbiguous(depressing) music of rock and punk.

3. A style of architechture.


GO FIGURE!!

# Mar 24, 2005 @ 1:36 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. tattoocreator writes:

Interesting stuff Brokenwing13. I have traced my family and apparently when you go right back one of my great great great grandfathers was a visigoth.

I read in the newspaper today the kid listened to a bit of Marilyn Manson. So I presume old MM is gonna get it in the a$$ again from the media and all the christian loonies out there. Poor f***er!

The kid also idealised adolf hitler. He liked hitler's idea about being racialy pure. He was apparently always going on about how the native american blood was being polluted by the "evil and dirty" western blood!

The kid had some real issues that wasn't dealt with and he solved his problem with bullets. Just a result of our disfucntional modern society.

# Mar 24, 2005 @ 2:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. brokenwings13 writes:

That's cool that you've found that in your geneaology. I haven't found any of that in the German line of my family yet. I'm not that far back yet.

I heard about the "pure blood" thing. I think that's typical because this kid lived on a reservation, a small one too, but him and the other kids were so isolated, so maybe that's how they were brought up.

This kid was on prozac, like most of the teens you hear about who happen to get a gun and shoot some innocent people.

Here's a case involving antidepressants that you might want to check out.....

Christopher Pittman. He was on Zoloft and Prozac(the doc gave him both), his mother ran off, and his dad wasn't really a dad. Pittman lived with his grandparents. One day, he was scolded about trying to kill a classmate during lunch at school. He was very mad about this, so while his dad was gone, he shot and killed his grandparents and then set the house on fire. HE WAS 12 WHEN HE DID THIS. He was convicted earlier this year, he's 15 now.

Yep. What do you think about it now?

# Mar 24, 2005 @ 2:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. tattoocreator writes:

I saw this real life re-enactment of the Columbine shootings on Discovery a while ago and there was some f***ed up things there.The one kid had some mental issues.

He had homicidal and suicidal tendencies so his parents took him to the doctor who prescribed him a drug that should have counter acted it. A few weeks later they had to go back to the doctor because the kid was ten times as bad on the drug than what he was off it. The doctor then proscribed another drug to the kid.

Now here comes the kick in the ass. The new drug he prescribed was made up from excactly the same chemicals and crap that the first drug was made from. The only difference was that is was manufactured by another drug company and so had another name!?!?!?

The problem as I see it is that we still have basically no clue how the brain really works and all we are doing is pouring drugs into it hoping for the best be with no real idea what is going to happen. For thousands of years people must have some how manage to get through depretion and aother related diseases without having t0 resort to drugs!?!? Why are we now so dependant on drugs to fix everything and make it all better!?!?

Maybe we should get of the drugs, concentrate on keeping our families stable and just maybe the world can be a better place.

# Mar 24, 2005 @ 6:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. brokenwings13 writes:

DAMN STRAIGHT!!

The government should ban Ritalin, Prozac, Zoloft, and whatever else drugs there are that mess with the brain. If they want to find out how they work, use them on the people in prison, they're not going anywhere.

# Mar 26, 2005 @ 5:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. BLACK DOG writes:

brokenwings13 are you like a college professor or something that's like a closet METAL head.Seriously I enjoyed your explanation's.I knew about the goth tribes but had no Idea the connection's or had any Idea of their religious connection's. "Thank You".Also as far as the drug issue goes . I agree I once worked security in the erie county library system.Every weekend an old women would come in with her grandson's who were both on RIDLAN.They were reasonably well behaved but they were all over the place.I half expected one of them to jump out a window on a couple of occasion's.

# Mar 26, 2005 @ 5:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. brokenwings13 writes:

Nope. I'm just your average human being. I'm 17, and am in no way a closet metal head. I'm very open to people that I love metal.

# Mar 26, 2005 @ 6:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. forklift writes:

Nah, you sound like a laywer.

# Mar 27, 2005 @ 12:14 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. brokenwings13 writes:

Nope, not that either, although I'm going to take pre-law this year. I don't want to be a professer or anything, I'm going to be Commissioner of Baseball.

OPEN NOTE TO BUD SELIG:

I'M AFTER YOUR JOB!!

# Mar 27, 2005 @ 1:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address

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