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Mustaine Says Metallica's 'Enter Sandman' Was A Ripoff

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Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine has once again slammed Metallica over the inclusion of a scene in Metallica’s Some Kind of Monster documentary in which Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich sits down with Mustaine for a one-on-one therapy session, calling Ulrich "a treacherous little man" and accusing Metallica of having "ripped off" the ideas for their biggest hit.

Asked by Metal Maniacs magazine what it was like having that confrontation with Lars in Metallica’s Some Kind of Monster movie, Mustaine said, "The thing that bothers me is that people are booing my scene in the movie and it’s kinda like, ’Listen, dickhead, if I wasn’t here, there’d be no Metallica because James [Hetfield] sang, Lars played drums and there was Ron McGovney [bass]. Did it ever dawn on you that I was the only guitar player? That I had a more integral part than you gave me credit for’ You will never see anybody in the history of the world tell that little shit how it is. Everybody else is afraid of him. I’m not afraid of Lars. He’s a fuckin’ treacherous little man and that’s why he can’t stay married. That’s why everybody in the band can’t stand him. Their biggest song, Enter Sandman was ripped off from a band called Excel [referring to the 1989 track "Tapping Into The Emotional Void"]"

Enter Sandman currently stands as the biggest hit of Metallica’s career, having peaked at No. 16 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart back in August 1991. Metallica’s self-titled "black album" has sold more than 14 million copies in the U.S., according to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).

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1. MarineChick007 writes:

that got way out of hand and personal.
Mr.Ulrich's personal life is none of his damn business.
i'm not afraid of Lars, if he came knocking at my door i'd ask him in and offer him a drink and salute a toast to the old metallica!

# Nov 1, 2004 @ 8:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. brokenwings13 writes:

i take it you don't like the so-called "new" Metallica?

anyway, yeah, why should Dave bug out? He's famous for something HE DID!

AND what about Lloyd Grand? He played guitar for them before Mustaine did.
also, didn't Jef Warner play with them while Mustaine was in the band?

and besides, Dave Mustaine was in that band for like 4 months.
He joined in 1982 and left in 1982.

# Nov 1, 2004 @ 10:08 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. cantspeak writes:

Dave Mustaine only wants to see Metallica fail because he's been jealous of them ever since..wait, he's always been jealous of them. Oh and I guess it's perfectly ok to take 'The Four Horsemen' , speed it up, and give it sh**ty lyrics about cars and grease monkeys and sh** (Mechanix, from the 1st Megadeth album). Give me a break, I know Mustaine helped write Four Horsemen, but look at it this way: Neil Young had a lawsuit against him for having two of HIS OWN songs that sounded too much alike. Now tell me Metallica couldn't sue Megadeth for butchering 'The Four Horsemen'. put that in your pipe and smoke it Mustaine.

# Nov 1, 2004 @ 10:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Big_Dan writes:

Well, cantspeak, while I don't agree with your opinion, but here's one other fact to help your cause.
John Fogerty (sp.?) from Creedance Clearwater revival, (they're old, ask your parents about 'em) was sued (by CCR) for writing a song, I belive it was "The old man down the road" off his solo debut album "Centerfield", that sounded too much like CCR's "run through the jungle". now John Fogerty wrote both songs. This situation is Sad But True...(lol)
but anyway this is why I don't agree with your opinion: What does Mustaine have to be jealous of Metallica? Megadeath (while maybe second bannana as far as pop is concerned) was always better, up through "Cryptic Writings". But atleast Megadeath sold out last. The black album was the first album of Sell-out-icA and I know that queer song crush or crusher whatever the f*** it was called came out after Metallica blew their "Load" into the male a$$ of america. and Crush came out well after "The Black a$$ Crack Album"
Anyway nevermind my crappy jokes, puns, and play on words, I'll get to the point of my post before if it gets to long that no one wants to read it; Who cares if Enter Sandman is a rip off? Metallica is the LEST original band ever to exsist up till the creation of nu-metal, I mean c'mon, they're encore is a cover of Diamond Head (AmI Evil?). Brian Tatler and Sean Harris wrote that f***ing song! They put out a full-lenght album (Garage inc.) that is a double album at that of nothing but f***ing covers, the second disk of that album they just had to pull out they're demos and old B-sides.
but all in all Metallica sucks!
Period.

# Nov 2, 2004 @ 2:34 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. Big_Dan writes:

Broken wings13 where did you get your information on Metallica? from you 2nd grade music teacher? Mustaine was in metallica for well over 4 months, and Llyod Grand? While I know Metallica had A guitar player before Dave, I know his name wasn't Llyod Grand.

Oh yeah I just remembered, to add to my last post about Metallica being the lest original band ever. Remember Lars Riped off the Name "Metallica" off a journalist that was gonna start a Metal Magizine titled "Metallica". DUDE you all should all come see my band "Pit" (LOL)

# Nov 2, 2004 @ 2:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. kreator writes:

f*** off dipsh*t....like u know original music.
your ignorance and bullsh** opinions are revolting.
shoot urself or tell me where u are so i can give u the fukking favour!

# Nov 2, 2004 @ 3:14 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. Big_Dan writes:

Kreator don't act big. no teenager talks down to me first of all! second of all, lets see if you have the balls son:
210 Bertie Ave
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# Nov 2, 2004 @ 3:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Big_Dan writes:

I know your not comming but if you do come, dress-up and I'll give you some left over trick-or-treat candy.

# Nov 2, 2004 @ 3:22 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. Satan writes:

To Big Dan, Loyd Grant was a jamaican lead player who recorded the solo in Hit The Lights on the first Metal Massacre compilation, wheter he was a full time member or not is debatable. But he was in Metallica and that's what his name was. Do a search on Google, i'm sure you'll find it.

# Nov 2, 2004 @ 8:52 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. brad writes:

this just in


metallica stole daves hair style

# Nov 2, 2004 @ 1:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Sean writes:

Big_Dan im sorry but at no point in megadeth's long line of albums could they have had a better album then ANY of the first four albums . . . call it opinion whatever you may want to . . . now it is fair to say mustaine influenced those albums but no he never beat them with his own career . . . and i think Mustaine is showing his true characyter with this sh** . . . if he s so unhappy with this old old way past done metallica rivalry sh** then why did he agree t do those interviews . . . what a f***ing prick

# Nov 2, 2004 @ 2:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. Sean writes:

Besides how can something be better then just a remake of the original?

the douche coon has arrived

# Nov 2, 2004 @ 2:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. cantspeak writes:

Big Dan, the Sell-out-icA thing is tired. I can see how you would think Metallica 'sold out' after the black album, but here's why. The Black Album and And Justice for All were probably Metallica's greatest albums as far as musical skill goes. And after you've gone so great with the Metal, you can either keep doing metal and start to sound like a broken record like Megadeth, or you can take your sound and turn it into something new, allowing you to evolve more in the spectrum of music without crapping out stuff like Megadeth and Slayer have been doing (don't get me wrong, i love those bands but alot of their sh** sounds the same). And about Garage Inc.--who f***ing cares? Alot of those songs (covers though they are) are great songs, and Metallica has even improved on some of them (Turn the page, Astronomy), and why did Metallica release an all cover album, because that was stuff they recorded a long time ago (stuff that fans had never heard before) and the newer stuff is all paying tribute to the bands that inspired them. What the f*** is wrong with that?

# Nov 2, 2004 @ 4:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. MarineChick007 writes:

yeah those two albums were good. i just don't like St.Anger.

# Nov 2, 2004 @ 8:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. brokenwings13 writes:

dude, go search for info on Metallica, and jeez, why the hell would you question my info when your info is more questionable?!

and yeah, cantspeak is right about the covers! i have demos of those. i'm
glad they put them on cd.

# Nov 2, 2004 @ 8:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. the truth writes:

first at all. Lars comes from Denmark and Mustaine said that Lars is a little man. That means just that Mustaine is jealous and scared because Lars Ulrich carries the power of aryan man and Mustaine knows that his discusting blood of a jew will be gone forever. Mustaine is a jew and he just can't take the power of an aryan man and if somebody of you megadeth fans are raising against my comment then he should seriously think that is he or she a bulletproof.

# Nov 3, 2004 @ 11:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. cantspeak writes:

and by the way, i heard the Excel song "Tapping Into The Emotional Void" an from what I can hear if it on the sample I heard (which was like 20 seconds) It sounds little or nothing like "Enter Sandman". There are maybe a few notes or chords or something that are alike, but definately nothing to sue Metallica over. It doesn't say that in this article, but another one I read said that excel is considering taking legal action against Metallica. Go to http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/ and search for 'excel'. There are clips of both songs too so you can listen to them. And, though I'm not sure about this all the way, or about it's details, I recall James saying something about 'Sandman' on one of the Metallica DVD's along the lines of "The main riff for Sandman is something that we've had around for years." anyone remember that or verify it for me?

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18. cantspeak writes:

oh yeah, when you search for it, its the 4th one down, not the 1st.

# Nov 3, 2004 @ 2:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. brokenwings13 writes:

yeah, it's on an interview or something, i know exaclty what you are talking about.

# Nov 3, 2004 @ 5:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. a real metal fan writes:

It is just my opinion but I never heard mustaine make a song with so much feeling as fade to black or so much drive like one,mustaine can go f*** himself this is a stroy from what 15 f***in years ago?C'mon sorrie but thsi is just a way a child can speak,sorry but if mustaine would really want to show metallica something, he shouldn't b**** so much and just go and make e genius number wich blows metallica away, but I haven't seen him blow metallica away(and I'm speaking for the first four albums of metallica cause the rest was not that goos,yeah wel black album a bit)Ok I'm b****ing myself now for way to long,I just wanted to say that mustaine shouldn't act like a child and just keep his mind clear and write good more stuff for is ohwn,but he hasn't done that much so.why can't everybody just leave eacht other alone and respect that that guy is doing that en he's saying that, I mean how cairs.......

# Nov 4, 2004 @ 11:08 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. a real metal fan writes:

sorrie that typing was awfull

# Nov 4, 2004 @ 11:08 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. janne writes:

lame joke:

why did metallica sell out?

because they ran out of mustaine riffs!! hahaha...

yea i know, its more of a fact then a real joke, but whatever

# Nov 7, 2004 @ 3:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. brokenwings13 writes:

METALLICA NEVER SOLD OUT!!!

all you f***ers out there who think they did are morons. They never sold out.
Once you get famous or something along those lines, you have a chance
to do more things, like bigger shows and yes, making a movie. I hate it when
they say it's "selling out". it's not selling out, being a sellout means you've
ignored your fanbase and don't bother with anything for your fans.

# Nov 7, 2004 @ 3:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. Sean writes:

wow calm down its ok brokenwings . . . i love metallica too but people are entitled to their ignorant opinions . . . and yeah thats right i have the right to call something i dont like ignorant heh

# Nov 7, 2004 @ 4:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. Andy Christ writes:

Both Metallica and Megadeth have serious growing up to do. f***ing man-children.

# Nov 7, 2004 @ 4:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. MarineChick007 writes:

hey 13, you should try yoga or something to get rid of all those stress nerves.

# Nov 7, 2004 @ 4:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. brokenwings13 writes:

SHUT UP!! your the ones who started this mess!

# Nov 7, 2004 @ 7:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. MarineChick007 writes:

mess? what mess?

# Nov 7, 2004 @ 9:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. a real metal fan writes:

I have know Idea but let's just leave each other alone man(and that is towards the bands ofcourse!)
can' mustaine ever grow up?please mustaine maybe alot, but he's not an adult if hea acts like this.
Atleast metallica's smart enough to not pay atention to this rediculous crap from mustaine.
and by the way if he's right(wich I don't think he is)he's FUC.K.IN' TOO LATE!
after what like 10 years C'mon men...............

# Nov 8, 2004 @ 8:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. a real metal fan writes:

and by the way for however how thinks it is true, METALLICA DID NOT SELL OUT,stupid idiots like linkin park are sellouts

# Nov 8, 2004 @ 8:35 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. Big_Dan writes:

Man f*** you all! You dumbasses! "Metallica didn't sell-out they evolved", dumbasses you don't know what it was like in the 80's with the REAL metallica, plain and simple they sold out! If they wouldn't have, all you f***ING teeny-boppers wouldn't be talking about them. "don't question my intelligence" I question everyone! especially when you can get any information you want right now! So, you might not even have known what you are talking about 10 minutes ago. and PLUS the internet has so much wrong information on it it's un-real! I remember I found a web-page on the internet one time, that said that the Spice-girls were also Marilyn Manson. BULLSHlT! look I don't even know why anyone is argueing about these two bands They both SUCK MY NADDS! Metallica was NEVER good and Megadeath was a spin-off of Metallica! Some of you need to go to your local bar, wait, you need a fake ID, then go to your local bar and learn some sh** about underground metal. That's where it's at, that's where it's always gonna be!
f*** you, Lick my balls, and suck you're mom's c***!

# Nov 8, 2004 @ 4:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. Andy Christ writes:

Man, at my local bar you wouldn't learn sh** about underground metal. They're all into bland rock music where I live...

# Nov 8, 2004 @ 5:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. brokenwings13 writes:

same here, but quite a few bars here have metal shows, and I DON'T
NEED A FAKE I.D TO GET IN!!!

# Nov 8, 2004 @ 5:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. ac666 writes:

We don't even have metal shows were I live. I have to travel at least an hour to get to the nearest venue that does.

# Nov 8, 2004 @ 6:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. MarineChick007 writes:

sellouts? linkn park hasn't been around that long,
so they didn't have time to sell out. they just started
making sucky music.

# Nov 8, 2004 @ 6:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. brokenwings13 writes:

nah, after one album you can be considered a sellout. and we do consider them that.

# Nov 8, 2004 @ 9:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. ac666 writes:

You have to have integrity before you can sellout.

# Nov 8, 2004 @ 11:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. Sean writes:

pretty bold claim tio say metallica was never good big dan you f***ing dipsh** . . . ok now its ok tio get p***ed brokenwings

# Nov 9, 2004 @ 12:29 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. tattoocreator writes:

Metallica has not sold out - they have just grown old. Big Dan needs to take a serious chill pill. Man, if you keep going on like this you'll pop a vein or something. One thing is certain though, St Anger sucked f***ing major donkey d***.

# Nov 9, 2004 @ 2:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. MarineChick007 writes:

Big Dan...

mellow out.

# Nov 9, 2004 @ 4:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. brokenwings13 writes:

ok, thanks.

AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!! I'M MAD AT YOU!

# Nov 9, 2004 @ 7:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. MarineChick007 writes:

why are you mad at me?

# Nov 9, 2004 @ 9:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. ac666 writes:

I think she's mad at Sean.

# Nov 9, 2004 @ 9:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. cantspeak writes:

Big Dan, you need to chill out like MarineChick said. Now your just making yourslef sound stupid by preaching that ignorant idea of "metal isn't good unless it's underground". What the f*** is that? Other than being successful, Metallica isn't selling out. And if you don't even like Metallica or Megadeth then why even post on this forum? Your obviously an adult which you have made so painfully clear to all of us by calling us kids and stuff, so I hope you feel like such a big man arguing to a 16 year old kid. a$$hole.

# Nov 10, 2004 @ 3:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. MarineChick007 writes:

still, she's mad at Sean?! wow, that's a long time to be mad at someone. i never stay mad like that, i can't stand it. it's against my nature, along with lying.

and again.. to Big Dan...

mellow out.

# Nov 10, 2004 @ 3:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. brokenwings13 writes:

of course i'm still mad at him!!!

but it's probably the only thing holding me in this thread.
that and the reason of argument.

# Nov 10, 2004 @ 5:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. TANKDELIVERY writes:

LARS IS AN IDIOT AND METALLICA ARE A BUNCH OF GREEDY SELLOUTS. FINE 13 YEAR OLD KIDS 20 GRAND FOR DOWNLOADING THEIR MUSIC? THEY ARE SUCH BIG MEN RIGHT? NOT THAT THEY DONT MAKE MORE MONEY IN ONE DAY THEN MOST DO IN A YEAR!

# Nov 10, 2004 @ 5:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. ac666 writes:

Pretty much. I'm sure that the respective members of Metallica could find my annual wage between the cushions of their sofa.

# Nov 10, 2004 @ 7:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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49. MarineChick007 writes:

that is if thier sofas ahve enough cushioning for their old behinds.

# Nov 10, 2004 @ 8:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. brokenwings13 writes:

jeez, they filed that suit against napster because they WERE stealing their music. if anyone has the decency to not pay for music, why bother making any?!

it's not them who gets paid, it's the producers and the tech guys and the promoters. they're lucky they're so big and make that money, because they don't even get a filth of it when everything is done. they do theirs through major labels so they get even less than that. this is why every band starts their own label so they save money.

# Nov 12, 2004 @ 6:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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51. a real metal fan writes:

It's most of the time, not the bands decision(for most bands not just metallica)to be so comercial, it's the record company's how do that.And most bands that are still making music need a record company or still have a catract from when they started,with one.
so if a band is comercial it is not neceserily(did I spell that right?)there fault.
atleast I don;t think of that in metallica's case, I meen why would they be sellouts if there allready that ritch???

# Nov 13, 2004 @ 11:10 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. a real metal fan writes:

I really have to work on my typing skills, sorrie......

# Nov 13, 2004 @ 11:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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53. brokenwings13 writes:

i made your point out very clearly from your bad type.

but as of right now, due to the record company monopoly that is happening, Metallica is without a label. they were on Elektra, which was part of the Atlantic Group and Sony bought The Atlantic group and dumped all the artists off of it. so there's around 2,000 artists without labels now so a lot of small labels have been picking them up.

# Nov 13, 2004 @ 12:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. brad writes:

dear prudence


wont you open up your eyes

# Nov 13, 2004 @ 12:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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55. MarineChick007 writes:

i love that song.

# Nov 13, 2004 @ 1:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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56. brad writes:

my favorite beatles song

# Nov 13, 2004 @ 1:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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57. MarineChick007 writes:

good choice.
mine is happiness is a warm gun.

# Nov 13, 2004 @ 9:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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58. a real metal fan writes:

actually I don't care that much if people are sellout, when it's good music.But I hate those f***ed up people how don't do a f*** for anything, anyway musically, and still get rich and stuff.
like all those f***ed up rappers.
BTW I also hope they come with a law or something, stupid "balkendende" and his f***ed up government.god they f***ed pvda and now NL(ok sorrie this is just for dutch people:P BTW how's all dutch here??)

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 10:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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59. MarineChick007 writes:

and how are the dutch relevant here?

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 2:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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60. ac666 writes:

I dunno, they just keep coming up though.

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 3:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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61. Sean writes:

i seem to have set a dutch trend . . . awesome

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 4:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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62. brad writes:

i will change it to a


face trend

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 5:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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63. brad writes:

so sean


your face motherf***er

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 5:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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64. brad writes:

so sean


your face motherf***er

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 5:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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65. brad writes:

so sean


your face motherf***er

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 5:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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66. brad writes:

so sean


your face motherf***er

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 5:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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67. brad writes:

so sean


your face motherf***er

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 5:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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68. MarineChick007 writes:

once again, it's all Sean's fault!
besides, that wouldn't be a trend i would want to be responsible for.


The Dutch Outbreak Of 2004

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 6:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. MarineChick007 writes:

REVOLT!!!!!

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 6:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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70. metalupurarse writes:

dave is like tracii guns. tracii guns was in guns n roses for a few months, and then left because his other band la guns got signed. then gnr recruited slash and they became the biggest band, and tracii is still jealous of all the money he couldve made if he stayed. its the same with dave, he was in the band for like 4 months, left or was kicked out (however you view it) and started megadeth. hes just jealous that if he stayed in metallica hed be a mega milionare not just a milionare which he is in megadeth.

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71. MarineChick007 writes:

you should write for metal underground. they could use someone who knows all that stuff.

# Nov 15, 2004 @ 7:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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72. a real metal fan writes:

sorrie about the dutch thing, I don't want to invade this site with dutch news or something:P

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73. Kalmah writes:

hey f***ers ..... DAVE MUSTAINE RULEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
No metallica without Dave Mustaine , he did everything for them

# Nov 19, 2004 @ 7:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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74. RoberttheBard writes:

I don't know about any one else, but I saw a video interview on MTV with Metallica, and Jason said it better than anyone I've heard yet. He said, "and people say we sold out, and to them I say we have, every seat, in every arena we've ever played." How many of you are in your 40's and think you could scream the same lyrics for 20+ years? Face the truth, they did grow up. Have any of you seen them live recently? I have, this year, and they still rock. Paid lots of money to go see 'em too. I'm a big fan, literally, but I don't like St. Anger much either.

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75. metallica vs.megadeth writes:

Well both bands are good to me but i would have to say that megadeth is better because mustaine's guitar riffs are more complex. All I have to say is that the old metallica is better than the new metallica because the newer version of metallica's guitar riffs are pretty easy.

Now about Ulrich and Mustaine. This time around many bands are trying to copy off of each other. I do agree with most of you. Most bands this time around are sellouts. And these 2 bands think that they are better than any other band alive. Unfortunatelly, they're wrong. we all know the biggest bands back then are Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Black Sabboth, and most blues bands. If we had none of that, then there would be no megadeth, metallica, anthrax, shadows fall, etc. But I do agree with you Big Dan metallica are not sellouts. Metallica and Megadeth is really an influence to today's metal.

# Nov 23, 2004 @ 1:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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76. bludytiger writes:

Ok, I just have one thing to say about cantspeak's post. Mustain didn't take Four Horsemen and change the lyrics and sh**, the song was origenaly Mechanix when he was with metallica. It's even on their No Life Till Leather demo tape. Metallica was the one that took Mustains work and changed it, slowed it down, and gave it new lyrics, not the other way around. Why don't you learn the history of the bands befor you start blabing your 12 year old mouth your f***ing tool.

# Nov 26, 2004 @ 4:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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77. a real metal fan writes:

actually I really don't care anymore.But could someone give me a comparrison between a 'tallica and megadeth song? cause you people can shout what you want, I would like some proof.
so will a real metallica fan give me a name from one of their best songs and the same for megadeth and will compare those two.........I'm curious as to what is the most complex etc.!!!
(I'm a metallica fan myself but I would like other people's opinion).

# Nov 27, 2004 @ 6:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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78. metdallisha07 writes:

I can't say sh** about about my bands. Man without them wouldn't be a MetallicA or Megadeth. this is just the truth Dave really made them a star plus MetallicA did not f***en sell out a$$holeS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To who ever puts it that way.

# Nov 27, 2004 @ 11:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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79. Rue writes:

I don't know as much about Metallica and Megadeth as some people on this site.
Im just wondering why Mustaine didn't accuse Metallica of ripping off Enter Sandman
back when it came out.. He could have said something between 1991 and now.
Maybe there's a reason he didn't say this until now, but I don't know. Does anybody else?

# Nov 28, 2004 @ 4:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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80. Rue writes:

And who was the first person to throw insults/accusations- Ulrich or Mustaine? I could see why Mustaine didn't say anything until now about Enter Sandman being a ripoff if it was Ulrich who started this whole thing. Did this thing between Mustaine and Ulrich start before or after Some Kind Of Monster was made?

# Nov 28, 2004 @ 4:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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81. ac666 writes:

This sh**e has been going for 20 years+ now. You think the guys would get over each other.

# Nov 28, 2004 @ 8:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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82. Metallica and Megadeth fan writes:

Ok guys, it's simple. Compare Metallica's best CD with Megadeth's best CD. Now, as there are more Metallica fans in this forum than Megadeth fans, I will be glad to tell you what Megadeth's best CD is.
Megadeth's best album is "Rust In Peace". This album is ****ing amazing.
In my opinion, the best Metallica album "Master of Puppets" is not as good as "Rust In Peace". Both albums rock though. Don't get me wrong. I still worship "Master Of Puppets". ****ing Battery, Master, Sanitarium, Disposable Heroes, Orion, Damage Inc!!!!!!!!! .........But on the Megadeth side: ****ing Holy Wars, Hangar 18, Five Magics, Lucretia, Tornado of Souls, Rust In Peace...Polaris!!!!!!!!! It's close, real ****ing close, but I'm inclined to say "Rust In Peace" takes it over "Master of Puppets".

This, my friends, is coming from a 19 year old who, for the past 9 years has listened to Metallica and has only recently discovered Megadeth three months ago (I'm talking about myself for those of you who haven't clued in yet). In the past 3 months, I have gotten my greedy hands on every Megadeth album ever released and the conclusion I have reached is this: Megadeth has gotten nowhere near enough respect or praise for the music that they have created. They should easily be up there with Metallica, maybe even bigger.

Now, I will proceed to compare each album released by Metallica and each one released by Megadeth, in order of release:

Metallica | Megadeth | My Opinion

Kill 'Em All Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? Metallica Wins by a hair
...And Justice For All >; So Far, So Good...So What? Metallica Wins
Master Of Puppets <; Rust In Peace Megadeth Wins by a hair
Metallica(The Black Album) <; Coundown To Extinction Megadeth Wins by a hair
Load <; Youthanasia Metallica Loses
Reload <; Cryptic Writings Metallica Loses
St Anger <; The System Has Failed Metallica gets raped

Let me sum it up in one sentence: Megadeth 6 | Metallica 2 As for the first 4 CDs released (before both bands started "selling out") Megadeth 2 | Metallica 2

I didnt mention two of Megadeth's albums: "Risk" sucked pretty bad, "The World Needs A Hero" is alright, not great. I also didnt mention "S&M", "Garage Inc" or all those Megadeth re-releases and greatest hits compilations etc. etc.
That's my comparison. Feel free to make your own comparisons as I'd like some feedback, even constructive criticism. But don't criticize if you haven't heard both bands and witnessed the talent they have.

Now to clear some stuff up:
1) Mustaine's ideas and riffs live on with Metallica up till Ride the Lightning. Im not sure if ...And Justice for All has any Mustaine in it, but that is the extent of his influence on Metallica (it's funny, someone even told me Mustaine's influence reached as far as Master Of Puppets, but I don't believe it as there is no concrete evidence behind this claim). Two songs that are entirely Mustaine's are Four Horsemen (without the bridge part) and Ride The Lightning ( the song). It's true that Four Horsemen is way better than Mechanix (I was disappointed that Mustaine ***ed up Four Horsemen that badly).
2) Metallica did sell out, meaning their music suffered, they became more commercial, less metal/in your face and softer. It might be that it was time for a change, or that their record company steered them in a different direction with the releases after Master Of Puppets. But it's the truth. The old Metallica was better, and everyone knows it. And guess what, it's the same with Megadeth, although Megadeth's selling out was more gradual, and they made a huge comeback with their latest CD "The System Has Failed". Everyone, including Mustaine, knows that there will never be another "Rust In Peace". But as it stands right now, Mustaine and his creation is in the lead (although everyone he's worked with has left him and now he's touring with random guitar players...I guess he really is hard to work with). But, as long as there's Mustaine, there's Megadeth. It truly was all his work. Now let's just hope Metallica makes its own comeback with their next album. Out with the New and in with the Old Damnit!!!!!!
3)It's a shame Mustaine is still raging about something that old. And it's a shame that Metallica fans and Megadeth fans dont like each other or their respective music. My theory (if you can call it one) is if you like Metallica, you should like Megadeth. It's a shame Lars Ulrich betrayed Mustaine with Some Kind of Monster. It's a shame Metallica isnt coming to Montreal for at least another year, and that this might be Megadeth's last tour (I went to both concerts and they both f***ing rock, although Mustaine should change his band's name to " The Mustaine Band").
4)....damn I dont know what else to say, hope my post wasn't too long. Get out there and start listening to some Megadeth, or some Metallica, or BOTH!

# Nov 29, 2004 @ 5:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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83. Metallica and Megadeth fan writes:

Damnit the post messed up my cd comparison!
Rewriting it so it makes sense:

"Kill 'Em All" Loses to "Killing Is My Business...And Business is Good"
"Ride The Lightning" Wins by a hair over "Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?"
"...And Justice For All" Wins over "So Far, So Good...So What?"
"Master Of Puppets" Loses by a hair to "Rust In Peace"
"Metallica(The Black Album)" Loses to "Countdown To Extinction"
"Load" Loses to "Youthanasia"
"Reload" Loses to "Cryptic Writings"
"St. Anger" gets raped by "The System Has Failed"

The score? Megadeth 6 ; Metallica 2.
As for the first 4 CDs released (before both bands started "selling out") Megadeth 2 ; Metallica 2
I hope it's understandable now.

# Nov 29, 2004 @ 6:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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84. EllisD writes:

THIS JUST IN:

CONFIRMED, FOR THE 12th YEAR IN A ROW

METALLICA FVCK!NG SUCKS DIRTY a$$hole!
(Lars & Jamez prefer the taste of a good dirty a$$hole as compared to a clean a$$hole.)
You are what you eat...

# Nov 30, 2004 @ 5:10 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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85. ac666 writes:

Metallica and Megadeth fan, very nice post! Not Too long, by any means. And far better thought out than a majority of the bollocks that is circulated on this site.

But let's face Megadeth=the Mustaine band anyway, why change now?

# Nov 30, 2004 @ 5:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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86. brad writes:

lets face it


mustaine tries way to hard to be like robert plant. and oh god how he has failed miserably

# Nov 30, 2004 @ 3:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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87. brandedcfh420 writes:

SELLOUTICA IS DYING.....THANKFULLY SO........!!!

# Nov 30, 2004 @ 4:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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88. ac666 writes:

There is only one Robert Plant (well it's probably not that uncommon a name, but you know what I mean). And Dave Mustaine does not measure up. I never liked his voice much at all.

# Nov 30, 2004 @ 5:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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89. leathercheerio writes:

I never saw a band ride this far on fumes from a great album released in 1986. post-puppets metallica is for all the dolts who were jammin out to "ice ice baby" and "o.p.p." in 1990, but now think they're true metalheads. pseudo heavy loudmouth blowhards. blow me. they're the same ones that reflect on the black album as "the old stuff".

# Nov 30, 2004 @ 8:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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90. Vigaljot writes:

It seems that a couple of people ar not well informed here:
Mustaine stayed not 4 months but 13 in Metallica (february 1982-march 1983). Mustaine has credits on songs in Kill em all and Ride the lightning.
The song The Mechanix is not a The four horsemen remade by Mustaine. The Mechanix was a Metallica song originally (you'll find it on some live recordings of that time. Speaking about it's lame lyrics is quite idiotic. How about the lyrics for Seek and Destroy (Hetfield actually asks not to listen to the words these days) or any other kill em all song? Some band, same lame lyrics

# Nov 30, 2004 @ 9:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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91. big_dan_is_gay writes:

nuff said ^^ check name

# Nov 30, 2004 @ 10:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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92. ronan666 writes:

metallica r talked bout too much, especially by people who dont like tehm.
who cares nemore

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