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An Interview With The Members Of I Built The Cross

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Nevada based death metal act I Built The Cross recently signed onto to Open Grave Records for the release of their debut album "Bridging The Gap Between Mind And Heart." Band members Reed and Garrett answered a series of questions for Metalunderground about their upcoming album and the message behind their music.

xFiruath: How did you first get into music and what made you want to be a musician?

Reed: When I was three my dad showed me the song "Breakin’ The Law" by Judas priest and I thought it was the coolest thing ever.

Garrett: Well, the first CD I actually picked up was Blink-182's "Enema of the State,” and that pretty much started it for me.

xFiruath: How did the members of I Built The Cross initially meet up and form a band?

Reed: Well at the moment it is only Gare and I, but I can't remember a time when we weren't best friends. I think we met when we were four, maybe a lil before then. We graduated Kindergarten together, and we graduated high school together. It's a friendship in progress.

xFiruath: How would you describe the sound of I Built The Cross to someone who had never heard your music before?

Reed: Well I showed it to one of my teachers once and he said it sounds like someone using a pencil sharpener (laughs) so I think I may say that.

Garrett: Probably similar to Lamb of God, just not as heavy and less technical.

xFiruath: Your band name obviously has a religious connotation. Would you consider yourselves a religious band, and are most of your lyrics dealing with issues of religion?

Reed: Well we really hate the term religion, but we play our music for Jesus Christ, and we try and make our band just as much of a ministry as it is a band.

Garrett: Well, like Reed said, we do hate the term religion. "Religious" connotation might as well say "negative" connotation. I think this comes from the general misunderstanding that the word God and religion are synonymous. Anyway, we do play our music for Christ, and we are a spirit led band. As far as our lyrics, we do tend to keep them Christ centered. Having said that, we do want to refrain from being just a heavier version of Mercy Me, so we do our best to try to talk about the more serious aspects of the Christian faith as opposed to the children's "Jesus loves me, this I know" style lyrics.

xFiruath: Have you had any negative reaction either from fans of more extreme metal who don’t like the religious aspects, or any negative reaction from religious music fans who dislike extreme metal?

Reed: Of course not! Yes we do all the time.

Garrett: Ha, that's a definite. Kids just need to understand that music is defined by the people who are playing it, not the other way around. People from both sides of the spectrum like to get too involved in the politics of it all. We play death metal. We worship Jesus with that death metal. Period.

xFiruath: I saw that you plan on releasing your debut full length album this May. Have you recorded yet, and if so how was the recording process? Did you work with any one for the producing or is it self produced?

Reed: We have not yet recorded the full length yet. We are going to try and make it a two to three day thing where we get it all done at once. Cam from Disfiguring the Goddess/Big C Productions typically does all the recording, producing, and mixing for all of our tracks. He's dang good at it.

xFiruath: Is there a major theme or concept behind the new album? I also saw that you’ve started a contest for fans to submit artwork – have you received many replies to that yet?

Reed: Yeah the idea for the artwork came from a quote I heard once, and it was "the distance from heaven to hell is only about 18 inches, the distance from the head to the heart." Basically saying that an intellectual acceptance of Jesus is not what saves you, it is the acceptance of that in your heart. Having said that, what you believe in your heart must also make sense in your head. As far as the submission of work from artists, we actually haven't got the hugest response. Although, the group of individuals who have decided to work on our album art are extremely talented artists.

xFiruath: What has been your favorite show or venue that you’ve played at so far?

Reed: Unfortunately, we have not been able to play a show yet due the loss of our other members right as we were getting show ready.

xFiruath: Is there anything about the music industry in general or the metal scene specifically that you’d like to see changed?

Reed: I personally would like to see people stop ridiculing Christian bands before they even hear the music. We were looking at a lot of the reviews for us and a lot of them said things like "the music was great, but I don't like them because they are Christian." As if they could even understand the words we were saying anyways. I wish people who had no interest in Christianity would just listen to it for the music rather than shoot us down right away because we are Christians.

Garrett: I pretty much second Reed's response. It's kind of funny how if we played the same exact music, but had different views, it would somehow make us more talented and/or enjoyable to listen to, makes sense to me too.

xFiruath: As musicians how do you feel about issues like music downloading and bands posting their music on MySpace?

Reed: It may be because it is almost one in the morning but I don't really understand the question. I personally download a lot of my music off of itunes and things like that. When a new CD comes out though I typically want the hard copy, like the new “Womanizer” CD by Brittany Spears, I needed that puppy in a jewel case, ya know?

Garrett: Well, I honestly usually just go buy the CD's at a retail store or straight through iTunes.

xFiruath: When you aren’t playing music, what bands or albums do you listen to most frequently and what draws you to them?

Reed: Oh gosh, well of course I love metal, so when I'm in that kind of mood I listen to bands like Between the Buried and Me, Into the Moat, Impending Doom, White Chapel, there’s tons of em. I love pop punk bands like Four Year Strong, and A Day To Remember. I love, love, love acoustic music, Andy Mckee is the man. I love Dashboard Confessional, Lydia, Postal Service, and then there’s hip hop. I like music with a message like Input, Sweatshop Union. The list goes on.

Garrett: I don't even know where to start! I guess I'll answer the second half of the question first. I'm simply drawn to music that makes me happy for one reason or another. Between the Buried and Me, Impending Doom, Into the Moat, Input, Rehab Hymn, Live from LA, Four Year Strong, Set Your Goals, Lydia, The Shins, Oceano, love it.

xFiruath: That’s all my questions, so do you have anything you’d like to discuss that I didn’t cover, or any parting words for the fans?

Reed: Yes I do, first and foremost, I play World of Warcraft for the Horde so if you happen to have a Horde character on Chrommagus then add Velsentarsis, and if you have an Alliance character then I will camp your body. If you have a Ps3 add xreedx.

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Ty Arthur is a freelance writer who writes for both entertainment and technical instruction sites. An avid fan of many different forms of metal, he has been involved in reviewing music for several years and is currently a contributing editor for Metalunderground.com

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1. Fuck_A_Name writes:

How the hell Is a band with the name "I built the Cross" supposed to be christian? I mean, their name reminds me of the Vital remains song "Hammer Down the Nails". Their name would actually offend me if I was christian.

I built the cross- So you're bragging about having something to do with the instrument of Jesus's death? How does that make you a god-loving chritian?

Idk, maybe because it's almost one in the morning and I dont understand their band name. :)

Now Playing: Origin- Antithesis ("I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds"- what an epic way to start a song)

# Feb 24, 2009 @ 10:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. DraperyFalls writes:

Maybe it's because they are just as bad with grammer and symbolism as they are with playing instruments, Ha!

# Feb 24, 2009 @ 10:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. yoitsjustblake writes:

I built the cross- We are all responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. We all sin. I built the cross, you built the cross, we all built the cross. Metaphorically speaking. As far as your instrument comment, the cross is a symbol. That of which resembling love and forgiveness, and yes the death of Jesus Christ. LOVE YOU GUYS (REED AND GARRETT). Sorry I haven't kept in touch.

-Blake

# Feb 25, 2009 @ 12:00 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Silly writes:

Same reaction as always, huh guys? Great music, great band, great message. It's pretty easy to figure out what the name means so...

Anyway, keep cranking out the tunes guys. You are awesome!

-Gorlim (OMW)

# Feb 25, 2009 @ 12:57 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. I built the cross writes:

xFiruath: Is there anything about the music industry in general or the metal scene specifically that you’d like to see changed?


Reed: I personally would like to see people stop ridiculing Christian bands before they even hear the music. We were looking at a lot of the reviews for us and a lot of them said things like "the music was great, but I don't like them because they are Christian." As if they could even understand the words we were saying anyways. I wish people who had no interest in Christianity would just listen to it for the music rather than shoot us down right away because we are Christians.


Garrett: I pretty much second Reed's response. It's kind of funny how if we played the same exact music, but had different views, it would somehow make us more talented and/or enjoyable to listen to, makes sense to me too.

point proven.

# Feb 25, 2009 @ 1:23 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. mike quesada ccgold beach, oregon writes:

"We play our music for Jesus Christ...and we are a Spirit led band..."

Works for me, gentleman!

Sign up the youth group at Calvary Chapel Gold Beach for a show!
Blessings gentleman!
mq


Ps 42:8
8 The LORD will command His lovingkindness in the daytime,
And in the night His song shall be with me --

# Feb 25, 2009 @ 1:43 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. "womanizer" writes:

So any chance of turning that growling into some nice lullaby sounds? =)

# Feb 25, 2009 @ 4:05 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. I Built The Cross writes:

Oh deffinitly, We are working on a lullaby album as we speak. :P

# Feb 25, 2009 @ 8:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. Jenny writes:

FAN: The name of the band actually states what good followers of God they are. The cross in turn represents the sins of mankind that Jesus died for. People under God accept the fact that they are sinners, because Jesus died for the forgiveness of their sins. The title suits them perfectly.

On the interview, I admire how they don't like the term 'religion'. That I understand.

# Feb 25, 2009 @ 8:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. dmd writes:

Draven, Jesus loves you!

# Feb 25, 2009 @ 9:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Diamond Oz writes:

Interesting interview. They seem like nice guys if nothing else.

As far as the Christian theme goes, I can argue on both sides I guess. I have quite a few Christian friends who are into metal and they aren't bothered by alot of the titles and such. One good example of this I guess is practicing catholic Tom Araya playing in Slayer. So what I guess I'm trying to say here is I have no problem with Christians in the metal scene.

On the other hand, if a band advocates a certain belief, there will always be detractors. Alot of people are attracted to metal because it represents rebellion and freedom and they might have had Christian beliefs shoved down their throats growing up, so if they hear a band that preaches Christ, they're not gonna listen. Same as if you're anti-racist, you're not gonna check out a Nazi rock band.

The name annoys me a little to be honest. Not too much but if it is a case of "I built the cross, you built the cross" then I lose a bit of respect instantly. I wasn't alive 2000 years ago and neither was anybody else on this site, or planet for that matter, so no, I didn't crucify Jesus, I didn't authoirize or plan it. The Romans crucified thousands of men, women and children and Jesus just happened to be one of them. I also fail to see how the cross can be a symbol of love and forgiveness. To me it represents death, maybe murder. That's it. If anything else it's a guilt trip, instilling the message "Jesus died for your sins (apparantly) so you better not sin anymore!"

That's probably all I'm gonna say on the situation overall. In conclusion, I'm not trying to discourage people from their religious practices or beliefs, I respect that, but to not expect any backlash when you preach something, no matter what, is foolish.

# Feb 25, 2009 @ 9:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. Fuck_A_Name writes:

I built the cross:
"point proven."

No actually it isnt.
I had no problem with the band being christian. Never had any problem with any bands being christian. I had a problem with the fact that, despite the fact that the band is christian, the first thing I thought when I saw the name was: Offensive blasphemous Deicide-style band.

Since it's actually been explained to me, I think it's kindof a cool concept froma christian standpoint, I'm just pointing out that it instantly brings negative connotaions to mind when I see the name I built the Cross. It really does sound like a song title Glen Benton came up with. I'm sorry fi that makes you feel like another high and mighty douche, pointing the finger yelling "SEE! I told you people are close-minded!", when that isnt the case at all...

Truth be told, when you said "sounds like Lamb of God" THAT actually got me intrigued. the music style is what I look for, not beliefs. I could care less about a bands theology or whatnot. All I want is good tunes. Sure I listen to Behemoth, but I also will credit Sinai Beach(a christian band) as one of the few metalcore bands worth anything, and I actively listen to them. It really doesnt matter to me.

I also have to point out that while there ARE people who will hate a band simply for the fact they are christian(post 11), the majority of the animosity towards chritian bands stems from the fact that a majority of them suck. I cant stand Demon Hunter or As I lay dying anymore, since I found better music in the form of bands like Pig destroyer or Opeth. and neither can most decent metalheads. Maybe if the pool of chritian metal wasnt so stagnant, maybe there wouldnt be such an aversion to the music. Until more bands start coming up that display the same sort of musicianship and songwriting ability of Deicide or Slayer, those bands will be preferred by metalheads.

I will however still check out the band "I built the cross". It does still interest me, and I'm always looking for something new ot listen to anyway. Try not to take my comments as derogatory or offensive, just slightly annoyed, yet still mildly amiable, criticism. thats all. Sorry if I p***ed you guys off or anything, I was just confused and scrambling for clarification.

Now Playing: Origin- Antithesis

# Feb 25, 2009 @ 11:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. I Built The Cross writes:

I see what you're saying. At a glance the name can appear as hostile towards Christians, But people who are interested, or people who will give us a chance to simply explain the meaning will find otherwise... We posted a blog on our page about the name explaining that very thing... The whole Lamb of God thing is kind of a joke I personally don't think we bear any similarity to them what so ever lol... Thanks alot for giving us a chance to explain our name. We weren't talking about you when we said "point proven" we were talking about the guy that says "wait...these guys are christans? what fags!" and does not even give the music a chance. I think that as a Christian it is possible to enjoy secular bands, I for instance LOVE Whitechapel (sorry bout spellin it wrong on the interview) I don't care for their lyrics much but the music is phenominal! So, just as it is possible for a Christian to like secular music I think it is possible for an Atheist or an agnostic to enjoy Christian music. Even if they don't take a particular interest in the message behind our music... I will say that I think it is kind of silly for people to make such negitive comments because it's not going to make anybody who likes the music like it any less, and I would say the same thing for people who dislike it. We aren't offended in anyway we just think some of you guys are goofs. :P

# Feb 26, 2009 @ 9:10 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. xSCOTTx writes:

lol i LOVE it when everybody starts talking crap about all u guys and all u can say is that they are goofs! :P btw wat u guys stand for and wat u guys play is without a doubt....AMAZING!! am in a christain/metal band as well and i feel ur guys pain wenever people start ridiculing us because we dont sacrifice cats to satan or watnot! ;D

# Feb 26, 2009 @ 4:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. I Built The Cross writes:

Haha well I sacrifce cats to Satan... :P Jus goofin. Yah The best part about it is that the Bible even predicted this. Jesus said "If they hate you then just remember that they hated me first." People can't find a reason to hate Jesus without just being hostile and making fun of him, and same goes for us. People can not find a legitimate reason to hate a true Christian ( I say true Christian becuase there are pleanty of reasons to dislike the guys who are telling you to give them all of their money.).

# Feb 26, 2009 @ 6:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. Diamond Oz writes:

To be fair, the guy that called you fags didn't bring up you being Christian at all. You might have just appeared negatively somehow to him.

Out of curiosity, has anyone actually checked these guys out? I figured I'd make the effort and actually go to their Myspace to see what the music's like. Not my thing but judging from the 93,000 plays there, it certainly appeals to quite a few people, so best of luck to you.

One thing I couldn't help but notice on the Myspace page though was that seemingly everywhere I read there was a Christian message coming out at me. I know you're a Christian band and everything but if you want people who aren't Christians to give you more of a chance then putting "our utmost priority is to disperse, expand, and clarify the love and grace that Jesus Christ has so freely given to us." won't help matters at all.

Again, I'm not here to try and dissuade people from their spiritual beliefs but I thought I'd bring some of that up since some people would accuse you of playing the victim there. Best of luck to you.

Now playing: Matisyahu - King Without A Crown

# Feb 26, 2009 @ 8:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. I Built The Cross writes:

Well I was more of making a general statement than pointing out that one guys comment. It seems that that is a typical reaction we Get from hostile athiests.

And in regards to the third paragraph, it is absoulty our goal to spread Gods word... To those who are curious. We have never once gone out of our way to tell people that they need God. We post blogs on our mspace and people reply to them. So when we say that it is our Goal to spread Gods word we mean that if anyone at all is ever wondering about God or the Bible we would be more than willing to share.

We're not playing the "victim" we are just on the reciving end of the ridicule. If any person can tell us how we have ever once Forced our beliefs on you than I will completely agree with the point that you have made.

# Feb 26, 2009 @ 9:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. Diamond Oz writes:

I never claimed that you forced your beliefs on me, I said that some people will see you as doing that. And I also never said you were playing the victim, I said some people might accuse you of doing so. I also wouldn't say that anyone here was ridiculing you, one guy kight have insulted you, which is no better, but insult and ridicule can be quite different things.

The difficult thing here is the phrase "spreading Gods word." I myself believe that Judaism is the correct teachings of God, but I don't feel the need to spread the message. I also believe that God and the Bible are things people need to look into themselves as if they ask a Christian about God or a Muslim about the teachings of Islam, there's a good chance they won't get a completely unbiased opinion since the Christian feels the Bible has helped them with their life, as will a Muslim with the Qu'ran. So what I guess I'm trying to get across is that one persons view on the teachings of God is not everybody's.

I would like to give an example of one reason why people might not give your band a chance because of your message, if I may. Today in Britain, a beloved actress named Wendy Richards passed away from a battle with cancer. A tribute page has been set up whereby someone took it upon themselves to use the page which was meant for mourning, for their own selfish religious beliefs. A so-called Born Again Christian stated that while everyone was mourning, they should go to his website to sign a petition banning gay marriages in Britain because it's against God and they will burn in Hell for being homosexual basically. I am not accusing you of spreading these homophobic beliefs at all, but once again, I am merely giving you an example of one reason why people will not wish to check out Christian music in general.

Finally, as I said before, I'm not here to offend anyone and I hope you take what I have written as a constructive discussion, rather than an insult or ridicule.

# Feb 26, 2009 @ 9:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. DMD writes:

I think Diamond Oz makes a lot of good points.

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 1:34 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. deathbringer writes:

"For example, if you see that people are commenting on you music or even your religion you should just leave it at that and let the fans/readers come to their own conclusions."

Well a band is a business as well, and from a marketing standpoint this is exactly the wrong thing to do. To engage people is the right thing to do. I haven't read the messages here so much as shoving beliefs down people's throats. It's just discussion. Perhaps some people don't expect a contradicting view to come up and that's why the engagement is seen as unwelcome. You can't please everyone.

And the whole idea of buying plays on a MySpace player seems lame and crazy. Yeah, I see some bands boast of this "stat" but it's not even something worth paying for as it wouldn't really do anything for you.

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 9:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. Diamond Oz writes:

Thank you DMD and ImBack, I found post 21 to be a very good read! A well written and presented arguement I thought. I haven't heard about bands buying plays for their Myspace account but I wouldn't be surprised at all if some bands did do this.

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 11:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. I Built The Cross writes:

Well I will only comment on the buying plays thing... We average about 400 - 600 plays a day... If we were buying plays those figure would be more like 4000 - 6000... We've been a band for almost a year now so having 90,000 plays is not an unrealistic figure. I am not engaging in a senseless argument, nor am I arguing at all for that matter. I just like responding to some peoples thoughts. We have never once been hostile, or forceful to anyone. I don't know where you are getting the Idea that we are "rude" or "angry". We haven't tried preaching to you or converting you because it will acomplish nothing unless there is a sincere interest. We only talk about God with people who ask us to talk about God with them. I have NO idea where you are getting this stuff...Lol

We aren't asking you to like our music. There's just no need for this immature hostility.


God Bless.

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 5:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. Diamond Oz writes:

Ok, show me a truthful immature post in this thread. The only immature post was made by a guy who later apologized for it and gave a contructive and detailed description of his opinions and why he sent his original post. If anything, the immaturity comes from your "God bless" at the end of your last post, which appears to have been put there as a sarcastic comment.

You also haven't really been responding to peoples thoughts as well as you claim. You seem to be ignoring alot of points brought up and refuse to enter the discussion and instead claim that you are still being picked on which doesn't appear to be the case at all from where I'm sitting. The only people you seem to have talked to with much interest are people who were doubt fans of yours before this interview was published.

If you read my post again, you will find that I am not arguing with you, nor am I discriminating against you. As I said, I am trying to engage in a constructive discussion. If you believe that my case of the homophobic born again Christian using an old womans death for his own selfish gains as an insult against you or your beliefs, you've misinterpreted this.

I am still yet to see a strong case of the ridicule you claim to have suffered here. People have brought forward opinions, cases and arguements for their beliefs in a detailed manner. On the surface, it appears that because they are not your beliefs, you interpret them as attack against you. I myself have in numerous cases here, wished you good luck in your future endevours and the first thing I typed in this thread was "they seem like nice guys." despite the fact I do not agree with your message and I do not like your music. That was being fair and being a generally nice guy. I don't see why you don't wish to have an intelligent conversation with someone who wished you well.

My final concern is this. You claim that you're not interested in converting anyone to the Christian faith and not you're not asking anyone to like your music. In which case I'm very confused as to why you would embark on a musical endavour with a Christian message.

I look forward to your response and hope to see this conversation that is rapidly becoming an arguement resolved soon.

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 6:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. XWigglesX writes:

Zing!

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 7:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. Diamond Oz writes:

G'day Wiggles!

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 8:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. XWigglesX writes:

What's going on man?

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 8:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. Diamond Oz writes:

Numuch old chap. Just changed my avatar to something stupendously British because I love re-enforcing the stereotype.

How's everything Down Under?

Now playing: Counting Crows - Big Yellow Taxi (because I f***ing can! :P)

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 8:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. I Built The Cross writes:

1.Throwing accusations about us buying plays is immature and inaccurate. I have never once witnessed my bands plays ever jumping from 5 to 200 nor do I think I have ever seen them about 200 hundred before about 1 in the after noon (on a good day), The overall negativity expressed is without reason and therefore I feel that it is immature... If you try to say that there has been no negativity expressed (not by you Diamond Oz) then you obviously have not read through some of the responses.

2.The "God Bless" was by no means sarcastic. I would love to see God bless everyone one of you.

3. I have responded to peoples threads as well as I have claimed? I never said I gave a good response to anybody's points, because no body gave any good direct points. If you would like to list a few points that you would like a response to, the I would be more than happy to respond.

4. You said that people may not like my music because of how poorly Christians act sometimes. ( or that's at least what I feel is the message behind your talk of the dead lady and the Christians trying to take advantage of that woman's death) I agree that people may look down upon Christianity because of how certain "christians" act sometimes. I don't feel that anyone should ever Judge a world view by its abuse, and I certainly don't feel that people should make a judgment on my bands music because of the poor behavior of other people... that is just petty. I also want to just clear up that I am not directly talking about anyone in particular I am Just making a general statement that it is petty to judge a worldview based on how people abuse it.


5. We never said we were talking about you either when we were talking about ridicule... We have noticed that you haven't been negative towards us and we thank you for that. We like to find people who like to intelligently convey their ideas instead of just saying "these guys are mad pompous Jesus freaks"... So why you are feeling that we are accusing you of ridiculing us is unclear.


I were not trying to argue with you by any means, I would love to have a friendly and intelligent discussion with you guys. The main point of all of this is this, If you don't like our music that is fine, but being rude and negative does not make you look intelligent and it is just really unnecessary.

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 8:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. XWigglesX writes:

Haha not much down here. Went to Soundwave yesterday. Saw some great stuff:
*The Dudesons
*event staff fighting
*Bloodhound Gang beer bonging a who bottle of Jager, then puking it up and drinking it again (some puke went in the trumpet, went everywhere)
*The Dillinger Escape Plan
*Lamb of God
*epic line ups for everything
*lots of blood during Evergreen Terrace
*the day was like 35 degrees and the big shed where the metal stage was could have been at least 10 degrees hotter in there

Great day though

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 8:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. Diamond Oz writes:

Sounds like a quality day Wiggles! Bet that set you back a fair bit eh?

As for the band, thank you for responding to me with the points and everything. This seems alot more direct and clear than your previous posts, which is why I think we were both getting mixed up and confused as to whether or not one was insulting the other.

1. I thought the God Bless comment seemed sarcastic as I couldn't see why putting it at the end of a post that mainly consisted of you defending yourselves. As I think we have both been reminded by this thread, the way we want things to be conveyed do not always appear that clear when typed on a computer. Comments will be taken in all different ways. The "God bless" to me seemed like writing "Have a nice day." Sarcastic. But as you have explained to me, that is not the case.

2. I agree that it's petty to judge a world view based on how a follower abuses it, but sadly alot of people in some areas will agree with him. As I said before, I was not accusing you of making such horrible statements and was using it as an example as to why people will not want to give a Christian band a chance, since people don't really know how extreme you are with your beliefs. This was one of the points that I was hoping you would respond to, as it was something that disgusted me when I read it.

That's gonna be about it from me in terms of this conversation for tonight because it's nearly two in the morning and I'm getting too tired to think about it. But once again, I appreciate your last post since it was more insightful than your last few.

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31. XWigglesX writes:

Ah I got the ticket for Christmas. So all up the day cost me $60.

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 9:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. Gare writes:

I think we have displayed anything but ignorance.
I know I'm replying out of order - not that there are any grounds for a response at all, really.
This whole thread is just a bunch of nonsensical bickering.

"they have almost been a band for a whole year according to them"
According to us? How about according to a calendar?

"The whole thing is just a stupid gimmick used to get somewhere they normally would not have if they kept their mouths shut."
Oh, that's entirely true. I mean, being christian has obviously gotten our play count soaring off the meters, right? We figured, "hey, people love christian metal (ha ha), it seems like a lucrative business."
Makes sense to me too.

"Don't worry though, let the little christian kids have their fun and try to romp around and be tough."
Once again, you point out things about my band that I didn't even know!
I thought our lyrics were "it's not about looking tough, it's about lifting each other up."
...uh, maybe that's not what we meant when we wrote them?
Continue to inform me of my own intentions :)
You're probably right.
I do think I'm tough.
In fact, I can probably beat you at arm wrestling...
and everything else, because I'm a big tough christian.
Grrrr.

"If your going to jam it down my throat (and don't say you aren't because if you weren't then you would not even bring up the fact that your christian and just stick to being a regular metal band)"
So being outwardly christian means being forcefully christian? Uhh. Okay? Presenting a view and force-feeding a view are two entirely different things. If somebody brings up an argument, we will, to the best of our abilities, answer it. I fail to see how this is either forceful or rude.

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I also think it's silly that at the very end of post eleven, it contradicts the very beginning of the same post.
"There is a reason christian metal goes nowhere"
I thought you just said that we're a christian band as a "stupid gimmick used to get somewhere they normally would not have if they kept their mouths shut"
Uhhh...what?

Talk about "tripping over your own words."
Cute


I like Diamond Oz.
I think he's been the most intelligent poster.
However, I'm still going to respond to a few things.

"I wasn't alive 2000 years ago and neither was anybody else on this site, or planet for that matter, so no, I didn't crucify Jesus, I didn't authoirize or plan it."
Well, nobody's accusing you of having done so ( in a literal sense ).
The bible teaches that Jesus Died on the cross for the sins of the world.
I'm a sinner, you're a sinner, so is everybody else...as the saying goes, "nobody's perfect"
So, what we're saying is that because Jesus died for you, and your a sinner, and he died for sin, then no, you didn't literally crucify him, but you (and me) were the reason that the crucifixion took place.
That's all we meant by it.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I hope you don't take this as forceful by any means.
I'm not asking you to believe it, I'm simply answering the question.

"Jesus died for your sins (apparently) so you better not sin anymore!"
Nobody's claiming that Christians believe they don't sin. If you ever hear a christian say that, then he needs to refer to his Bible.

"First of all their plays on MySpace are purchased, not legitimate."
What the heck?
Haha.
I don't know how you can jump to that conclusion, but just to humor you, let's say we did purchase plays.
We jumped all the way from 5 to a whopping 200 plays?
We got ripped off...

# Feb 28, 2009 @ 3:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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"The band is actually proving my point more, they continue to force feed their beliefs down peoples throats."
I don't think the fact that we're openly christian enough to offend you for "forcing" our beliefs displays proof for anything other than the fact that your incredibly easily influenced.

"based on that one decision to intervene and force fans to hear and listen to only your way and your way alone, you lose a lot of class and professionalism."
Yah, because by revealing our view (somehow translated to forcing, in your mind), we have blocked out each individual's right and ability to search for his or her own answers? Uhhh...yah probably.

"because I can guarantee that any band getting 200+ plays a day on MySpace legitimately is not sitting around wasting their time arguing with readers on Metal Underground."
Since when is 200 plays a lot?
ha ha.


"However, if you want to stand out from the rest and become something great you need to forget all of the petty bull crap that people write about you (including myself) and focus on your own goals and future."
Good point...if we were trying to get immensely famous and make money. You would be completely right if it wasn't our goal itself to get involved and talk to our listeners and criticizers on a personal level about our opinions and their own.

"Their fans [metal genre's] are passionate and intelligent"
I never knew intelligence meant blindly following what their music genre tells them to believe?
I'm not sure if you read the interview all the way through, but I did say "Kids just need to understand that music is defined by the people who are playing it, not the other way around."
For someone who so advocates listening to metal because it's about "rebellion" and "chaos", you sure seem to be dead-set in fitting the mold (of the metal scene) and going with the flow.

"I am also about 99% positive that you used the DKFH plugin to program your drums."
Your absolutely right. When did we ever claim that our drums were live? Did you even go to our music page? We've been looking for a drummer for a long time now...I'm not sure where you got that we were telling anyone that we had or even recorded with one.

# Feb 28, 2009 @ 3:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. Gare writes:

I also think it's silly that at the very end of post eleven, it contradicts the very beginning of the same post.
"There is a reason christian metal goes nowhere"
I thought you just said that we're a christian band as a "stupid gimmick used to get somewhere they normally would not have if they kept their mouths shut"
Uhhh...what?

Talk about "tripping over your own words."
Cute


I like Diamond Oz.
I think he's been the most intelligent poster.
However, I'm still going to respond to a few things.

"I wasn't alive 2000 years ago and neither was anybody else on this site, or planet for that matter, so no, I didn't crucify Jesus, I didn't authoirize or plan it."
Well, nobody's accusing you of having done so ( in a literal sense ).
The bible teaches that Jesus Died on the cross for the sins of the world.
I'm a sinner, you're a sinner, so is everybody else...as the saying goes, "nobody's perfect"
So, what we're saying is that because Jesus died for you, and your a sinner, and he died for sin, then no, you didn't literally crucify him, but you (and me) were the reason that the crucifixion took place.
That's all we meant by it.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I hope you don't take this as forceful by any means.
I'm not asking you to believe it, I'm simply answering the question.

"Jesus died for your sins (apparently) so you better not sin anymore!"
Nobody's claiming that Christians believe they don't sin. If you ever hear a christian say that, then he needs to refer to his Bible.

# Feb 28, 2009 @ 3:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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"First of all their plays on MySpace are purchased, not legitimate."
What the heck?
Haha.
I don't know how you can jump to that conclusion, but just to humor you, let's say we did purchase plays.
We jumped all the way from 5 to a whopping 200 plays?
We got ripped off...


"I really think you need to work on your professionalism as one cohesive unit, and not just a group of angry Jesus freaks who want to convince every single person that you are right and there is no other way around it."
We're soooo angry.
Garrr.

"You claim that you're not interested in converting anyone to the Christian faith and not you're not asking anyone to like your music. In which case I'm very confused as to why you would embark on a musical endavour with a Christian message."
We're simply presenting our case. If that makes someone want to investigate the christian faith, then that's awesome. We weren't saying that we don't want anybody to become a christian due to our music ministry - we were simply saying we're not here to attempt to FORCE anyone into anything, which as been the general accusation.

In regards to post 36, thank you for being a cool guy :)
I agree with this post as a whole.
"I was not accusing you of making such horrible statements and was using it as an example as to why people will not want to give a Christian band a chance, since people don't really know how extreme you are with your beliefs."
There's no way of getting around that. We just hope people are rational enough to understand that extremists are...well, just that - extremists. Meaning, they don't represent the norm.
I think you're a cool guy and I appreciate your posts.

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I liked Christ Illusion :(

Then again I like Chinese Democracy, 2wo and Limp Bizkit, you can't take my opinion for much haha!

Thanks for your responses to alot of those posts and the compliment. One thing I will say though is I always feel very uncomfortable when people say "I'm a sinner, you're a sinner" and that type of thing. I'm well aware of the fact that I make mistakes and I don't like being reminded of it. But as I said, thanks for responding to alot of those points. I still like ImBack though, I think he's f***ing funny! Either way, I've done all the debating and whatever I want to do on the subject. Take care and best of luck in the future.

# Mar 1, 2009 @ 3:19 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. XWigglesX writes:

Hey I used to listen to Blink! What are you gonna do about that? Hhaha

# Mar 1, 2009 @ 5:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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^I absolutely loved Blink when I was 13.... I actually give em a spin for memory's sake once every year.

# Mar 1, 2009 @ 2:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. deathbringer writes:

As I mentioned above, I think engaging your fans and listeners is a good idea. However, engaging trolls is always a waste of time.

# Mar 1, 2009 @ 2:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. Diamond Oz writes:

I've never been a fan of Blink, I liked Sum 41 back in the day though.

# Mar 1, 2009 @ 5:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. Gregory writes:

Dear I'm Back....

You are without a doubt the biggest f***ing idiot to have ever walked the face of the planet. This is basically all you are saying in your replies....

1. I am on old a$$ witty fa**ot who has nothing better to do with his time than insult teenagers who have more talent in a single hair on their a$$ then you could possibly ever fathom of having in the entirety of your body.

2. You are a failure in every aspect of like and somehow you gain a sense of self-fullfillment in attempting to bring down a group of kids who are very talented whether you like their music or not...


You are pitiful... and probably one of the most unintelligent human beings to have ever walked the face of the planet....

# Mar 1, 2009 @ 6:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. Fuck_A_Name writes:

^Sum 41 surprises me when i listen to them now. before, all I heard was a pop-punk blink 182-molded type band. Now I listent to them and hear metal riffs thrown in through half the songs?! I just didnt pay as much attention to the musicianship of the songs I listened to back then.

I would say I'm influenced somewhat by blink 182. first "band" I really ever could say ilistened to. followed by slipknot, Korn, blah, blah, the usual suspects that lead up eventually into real metal. So besides my main guitar influences(Lamb of God, the Faceless, Megadeth...lol led zeppelin) I guess blink is a part of that, so I wouldnt diss someone for listing them as an influence, but thats just me.

As for this whole "Christian propoganda shenanigans" argument....bleh.

I really dont think they're acting anywhere near as immature as they're being accused of. I've argued with plenty of christians about their faith or opinions based on their faith; Some really stupid and acting unreasonable(dinosaurs dont exist because the devil created fossils to make people believe in evolution? huh?), and others just as reasonable as the savior they drool about, saints really, especially considering how offensive I sometimes get with the things I say about their religion. Despite disagreeing with a lot of the ways you guys(I built the cross) approach things, and some of your opinions on things, and well, your whole religion haha, you guys seem quite level-headed, and wel-intentioned, so good luck to you and your endeavors, in the metal world or otherwise.

I'm also pretty stoked just at the fact that a band, of any level of popularity, comes onto a site and actually talks to fans and detractors alike. Like my first comment, many times, I've been confused about something involoving the band, and wished they could have responded, instead of guesswork or hearsay from other people who read the same article. I always get a kick whenever a band on my myspace actually responds when I leave a comment about their music. I apprecitate the fact that they actually take time to deal with their fans, and I see it here with you guys and I appreciate it just as much now.

I do think post 51 is a bit of an exageration though. "Imback" has made quite a few decent points in some of his posts. (except for the myspace player thing) To quote Mark Morton "the WAY he put it...sucks". He's not the dumbest person alive, but perhaps "the most a$$hole person alive" is a better title for him to contend for. Belligerent is the word really.

Now playing: Genghis Tron- Ride the steambolt

# Mar 1, 2009 @ 6:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. DeathInEye writes:

I liked Sum 41 as well. And, ashamedly, Creed. Yeah, they're not pop-punk but easily as bad.

I'd like a clarification from the band on: "People can't find a reason to hate Jesus without just being hostile and making fun of him, and same goes for us." Stated in post 17

Books have been written about the discrediting of Christ, Christianity and Religion in general, and I'm sure at least one or two do not "make fun." Friedrich Nietzsche being one author.

# Mar 1, 2009 @ 7:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. XWigglesX writes:

You should tell me what the problem with listening Blink is?

# Mar 1, 2009 @ 11:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

I basically think a band shouldn't shove their philosophy and religion down someone's throat. For instance, Impending Doom, for example. They basically say in their lyrics, "if your not Christian, your going to hell on Judgment Day". I find that kind of person to be ignorant and close-minded. If you can respect other peoples belief systems, that's fine. But if a Christian hates a muslim 'cause he's muslim. Or A Jewish person hates a Muslim, etc., that's bad. I even think if a Satanist hates a christian 'cause he's Christian it's bad. Sorry for that. I probably didn't make ANY sense there :)

# Mar 1, 2009 @ 11:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

yeah...what the fvck, wiggles?

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 12:04 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. XWigglesX writes:

listening to Blink I meant.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 12:09 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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49. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

Oh...Don't know about them...

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 12:15 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. XWigglesX writes:

I like Blink 182 and I am no moron.

"was influenced by Blink 182. You should be urinated on just for that! No wonder you sound like a bunch of punky little kids."

Yet you sound like an arrogant, hormone driven 16 year old who thinks he is bullet proff.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 12:26 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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51. Terminator writes:

^ all ready should be already

I WIN!

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 12:46 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. XWigglesX writes:

I know I wrote proff. You know sometimes its hard to type on a phone. And you can't edit posts so I'm aware of my f*** up.
Well my opinion is you suck.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 12:48 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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53. XWigglesX writes:

Also, nah I'm not into things that live under bridges. I rather Crocodiles.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 12:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. XWigglesX writes:

Get a girlfriend. WoW isn't social interaction

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 1:28 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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55. XWigglesX writes:

Actually you asked if I was hitting on you so there you go.
My user name, its from Futurama.
And what's wrong with have extensive tastes? Should I only listen to metal?

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 2:19 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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56. XWigglesX writes:

I review hardcore bands

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 3:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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57. XWigglesX writes:

Want a medal?

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 3:19 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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58. XWigglesX writes:

Nah you're not worth the effort I'd have to go through to mine the metal, melt it and then shape it. I'll make one out of the mouldy old pages of porn magazines the kiddies hide in the hedge across the road from work.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 3:40 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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59. IrishMetal writes:

This got quite funny for some reason.

I also liked Sum41 from the start - hell they were one of my gateway bands. Blink were fun to listen to as well, and they're back together now...

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 4:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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60. XWigglesX writes:

Apprently they are going to do a world tour. Will hit that shiz up.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 4:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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61. Diamond Oz writes:

Yeah I like Phil Collins too. And Prince, Green Day and Kid Rock. Gotta mix it up a bit.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 7:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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62. deathbringer writes:

Mr. ImBack (et al), you're treading a line of trolling here. If you continue to post only to get other people p***ed off and see reactions, then you are, in fact, a troll, and you will be banned and your messages deleted - all of them. Please do not continue down this path and try to have real conversations about the topics at hand. Thanks.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 9:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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63. americanpatriot1 writes:

Get 'em DB!!! I don't know about you guys, but I kinda miss Bully.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 9:50 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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64. deathbringer writes:

Why do some people feel the need to act tough and not just heed a warning? What kind of friend gets their friends' IP banned? Why would you waste all that time typing tripe and voluntarily make a move you know gets it deleted? Because you have no life and a re a disrespecful little punk...disrespectful to your friend, to people in general (as seen here), and to the people who spend their time running an informative site like this.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 2:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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65. XWigglesX writes:

That's the world for you though man. Ignorant, arrogant people everywhere.
Internet tough guys are pretty funny though.
Who works at 6am honestly? Lol

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 2:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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66. I Built The Cross writes:

Hey!! We have girlfriends and play WoW xwigglesx... WoW RULES!

Go Horde or go home!!! :P

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 3:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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67. XWigglesX writes:

Haha play a real game like Call of Duty

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 4:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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68. Diamond Oz writes:

Or Civilization. Yeah I'm hardcore.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 4:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. XWigglesX writes:

Actually I was going through all my old games and I found American Conquest. Great game!

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 5:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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70. XWigglesX writes:

Ban hammer (sounds metal)

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 5:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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71. Diamond Oz writes:

Which threads are these ImBack?

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 5:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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72. I Built The Cross writes:

I Lovvve call of duty... cod4 anyways and nazi zombies is fun on cod 5... I Just got killzone 2 the other day.... OMG... the game is so incredeible...

Ps.... I think I spent about half a year playing civilizations over and over and over lol <;3

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 5:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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73. deathbringer writes:

Well I hope you are not Dan from Autumns Eyes or got his computer banned. I can see the past comment history of the IP address and he was posting from the same computers as Listen2_Autumns_Eyes.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 5:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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74. Diamond Oz writes:

Nazi zombies? That was Wolfenstein wasn't it?

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 5:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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75. ImBack writes:

CLOSE but no cigar! Actually, I will avoid anyone telling him that Im on his wireless connection and computer because if you really do want to see me get beat then you will inform him haha I really should not have said that out loud. So as long as he knows NOTHING I will stay off this thread! Deal?

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 6:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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76. XWigglesX writes:

Ah sure we all believe you.
Nah Oz there was Nazi zombies on COD4. Was an extra.
I want F.E.A.R 2!

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 7:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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77. I Built The Cross writes:

Fear 2 looks nutz! <;3

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 7:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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78. Diamond Oz writes:

Really? That seems a little weird. I know COD4 was modern but I don't remember the zombie infestation happening.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 7:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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79. DanFromAutumnsEyes writes:

To set the record straight there were two people who are staying in my house who were the culprits of this thread abuse. They brought it to my attention because they said there were people on here giving out my IP address and my home address. After reading the whole thread top to bottom I see no evidence of that so I can sleep soundly tonight. However, I cannot see anything they posted so I am assuming someone did a good job at cleaning up their mess.

While I am not going to apologize for their actions on this site, as I am not their parents. I can say I definitely see some things that would cause them to start an uproar. I have since banned them myself from using any computers in this house, as this is not the first time I have received news about them getting in trouble from a message board.

I am some what confused though, right underneath me I can see the rules of this site and one says to stay on topic and this is not a personal chat room, and the topic has swayed from some religious babble into a video game thread?

One of the people posting here has an email address I know of, so if anyone is that interested in contacting them for whatever reason I would be glad to hand out their information. I suppose it's the least I could do for whoever they p***ed off here.

As far as claims that I was posting that nonsense, I really don't care either way it's press for my band so go for it! Thank you all for your time reading this, and have a nice day.

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80. I Built The Cross writes:

Nazi Zombies is just a variant that you get after you beat Cod5. <;3

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 9:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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81. BoltThrower writes:

Umm, do I detect the death of MU chat?

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 9:08 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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82. XWigglesX writes:

Yeah Oz I meant the lastest WW2 one. World at War haha.
Actually video games are relevant. Read all the comments haha.
So the new Killzone is sweet? I loved the first one on the PS2. Am keen to aquire it!

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83. I Built The Cross writes:

Dude... It's ooo incredible I would give it a 10/10... The only bummer is that there is like 5 miliseconds of lag on the aiming but they're gonna patch that soon.

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84. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

I heard about the Nazi Zombies. that's the ONLY reason I want to get it.
Killzone 2 looks amazing.

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85. I Built The Cross writes:

Dude I am full blown addicted to killzone 2. top 3 fps' ever made.

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86. Fuck_A_Name writes:

Resistance fall of man has nazi alien zombies. However the first one was only sub-par, just decent, and the second one took out everything that was good abou the first one and tried to be like Halo. the multiplayer though is insane. Fast-paced like timesplitters and Unreal tournament, but you can have up to 60 people in one game. you die like every 15 seconds, but it's worth it bewcause you kill someone every 3.

I have no idea about killzone though. It gets good reviews, but I distrust game and movie reviewers; they told me the wall-e game was fun, and Tommy Boy got 1 star on cable. Lying bastards, the lot of em. I'll try it out when I can, sounds like fun; if the reports of constant explosions for no reason are true, that's the game for me.

Now Playing: Himsa- big Timber

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87. I Built The Cross writes:

Yah I know what you're sayin... I really liked the resistance games and I thought that the second had waay better online in the first, the only thing I didn't like about is that it doesn't have like a class system like Cod4 I love being able to earn new weapons and classes and abilities, I mean you can unlock difference perks kinda and some new heat stacks of something but I really like games that are as versitile as Cod4... that's why I love killzone 2 so much... the online wrecks Resistance 2 which I thought was pretty incredible to begin with....


if you do happen to pick it up then add

xreedx

and

ibuiltthecross


We could kill tonns of stuff together lol. <;3

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