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Chiodos Singer, Craig Owens, Allegedly Attempts Suicide
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Craig Owens, the singer for hardcore band Chiodos is currently in a mental health facility following a suicide attempt at his home in Michigan on July 20, reports Alsolutepunk.net.
According to the site, Owens posted the following message, which has since been removed, on the band’s Web site:
"So, after an attempted overdose early yesterday morning, I found myself awake in the emergency room around 8 - 12 hours later. However, don’t worry about me, I’m fine. I am being checked into a mental clinic beginning tomorrow at 8 a.m."
"I’d like to apologize to everyone at Power Chord Academy, for me not being able to make it to speak to all of the kids tomorrow in Chicago. I promise to make it up, the best that I can and hopefully will be able to reschedule the entire event."
"Wish me luck, and let’s hope that i learn from this, and that I am able get out very soon."
The band’s message board moderators are deleting any further posts or threads about Owens’ condition, reports Punknews.org, "Craig is going through a hard time right now and he appreciates his fans support," moderators told the site. "However, I have been asked that we give him the privacy he deserves during this time… Lets give Craig the space and respect he deserves."
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242 Comments on "Chiodos Singer, Craig Owens, Attempts Suicide"
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3. writes:
I have NO sympathy for thoes who attempt/comit suicide! Even if that means my own uncle, who shot himself in the head. Never met him, but am angry that he put my mother through what he did! Still have a cirtian ammount of love for him as a family member, but you can be angry and non-sympathetic to a family member, but still love them.
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7. writes:
Well, i'm glad he's getting the help he needs.
He's a talented singer, and he's a really nice guy. I've met him like two times. Taste Of Chaos 2007, Warped Tour 2007.
It is quite foolish of them to delete posts, it could probably teach some kids the importance of getting help. Because suicide isn't the answer only a great big hole, because you leave so many people behind that care about you.
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11. writes:
Well yeah i hope he gets better but seriously no need to attempt suicide. Craig is a talented musician and i been a fan of the band since they where chiodos brothers. I get mad when someone tries and take away such a gift. We have one life to live and should never take it away early.
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12. writes:
Yes, how dare he have a possible chemical imbalance that screws with his ability to feel any kind of joy or see any point in living. If you want to be angry at someone, why not those around him who should have advised him to seek help before it got this bad? I know emo-cide is popular right now but not everyone who attempts suicide is emo. They get tunnel vision and literally see no surviving or point to surviving. I'm not saying suicide is ok but ridiculing a suicidal person is certainly not how you should handle it.
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14. writes:
Fvck that Death! I have been diagnose with sever deppression an un-offically bi-polar. I dont let it get me to the point to where I attempt suicide. I hardly think that this retard who apparently cant even use a potato gun did not know he was on a downward spiral and thoes around him were that blind. People use "tunnel vision" as an excuse. They know exactly where they are going and instead of getting help pvssy out and comit/attempt suicide.
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15. writes:
Well that's quite interesting Kalis because so have I and I've wandered down this path. You honestly feel no worth and I'll go as far as to say that at that moment, you are worthless. They don't seek help because they don't feel they're worth help. You don't let it get to you? There is no "not letting it get to you" unless you're on meds to correct the problem. I can't believe you think calling a suicide person a retard will help. They'll just say ok and fire, seriously.
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16. writes:
thing is anyone who tries to comment suicide is just dumb. Craig for example has a lot of things going for him. a great band, good voice, probably a lot of girls, money, friends and such. Why would you waste such a life like that. My life sucks but the thought of suicide will never cross my mind cause i know my life will be good later on. calling a suicide person a retard wont help no but its the truth.
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21. writes:
I would expect this kind of reaction 100%, but quite frankly those kinds of comments come from people who are totally ignorant of the true nature of depression. I don't know how many suicides occur by people who are not clinically depressed, but even so - not knowing and passing such judgement is ignorant just the same. Perhaps it's just a perspective that's come with age and experience, because I use to have the same sort of outlook as many here as a teenager. It's food for thought.
22. writes:
I don't know about you all, but I sat with deep deep disgust by reading all these comments. Noone even understands anymore what young people go through. Society just keeps getting worse and worse, and as thou above me said, it is ignorance. A young guy attempted suicide, and you guys are treating him like he is some all-out satan. Whatever became of humans recognizing a person's problems and trying to help them? We do not make crude remarks about people with other disabilties, so why about people plagued with depression?
I am so ashamed that this is what the world has came to in today.
23. writes:
Alls I have to say is I'm disappointed on how some people are commenting on here.
Craig Owens is amazing.
and you all know that we all have our times when we are down on ourselves.
He just took it a step further.
It's a good thing it wasnt sucessful because now he got a big reality check and now knows how precious life is.
I can't belive some of you would go so low by calling him a fa**ot and saying that you wish he could have or would get it right next time.
That's bull crap.
Just becasue you don't have the singing abilities that Craig has doesn't mean you have to go so low and insult him and wish he was dead.
This is wrong.
and I'm disgusted.
:/
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27. writes:
No dipshiet, I actually LISTENED that day. I also am not one to copout of life just because its hard at the time.
I have been through way more than most of you in this thread more than likely. Divorce at age 19 and had to go through it alone due to that my family hated my ex-husband, even totally lost my whole family for an entire year because they did not agree with my religion, had to leave countless abusive boyfriends which in many cases had to couch serf, got over cutting and anorexia at the same time when I was about 14, had family crisis after another because of the b**** that was my mothers mother, the list goes on and on. I am stronger than ever now and despite the tragic loss of my closest grandfather due to a fire will pull through my grief and come out on top! Why? Because as I said before; I am not the type to copout due to the fact that I am not an idiot!
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29. writes:
Mmkay, Kalis...well I am actually sorry to hear all that stuff and it should be hard to go through, and you are a real trooper for getting through it. But everyone is different. Some people are emotionally strong while others just...aren't. While you and a lot of others may not understand what it is like to be emotionally weak, I understand that. I am not promoting suicide in any way, but treating someone like sh** because they feel there is no other way is not gonna solve any problem.
And being disrespectful and calling someone a dipsh** because they disagree isn't either ♥
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30. writes:
That there is known as mind-strength, Kalis. Being able to overcome those issues you listed require mental realization. You were able to identify that these problems only hurt you emotionally and inflicted temporary suffering. Everyone knows that emotions are capable of recovering regardless of how much pain they have endured. A certain issue has the power to destroy a mind...And it is your responsibility to defend yourself and surpass it.
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32. writes:
Sometimes, when you are at such an emotional rock bottom, you aren't even thinking about anything else. I should know. When i've had thoughts of ending my life, I didn't even think about the people I cared about, or getting help, because they were just shadows that were in another universe. You don't think about anything. All you think about is dying. It's such a scary feeling...
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34. writes:
Jess, I had felt that you did not get my point and thus acted angrly toward you. I am woman enough to say I am sorry. In this world only the mentally and physically strong survive. I would be way more respectful of that man had he went "wow! my thoughts on suicide! Maybe I need help?" and got help. Its not easy to do, that I will admit, but its worth it.
35. writes:
Well, Kalis. I accept your apology. I did get your point, but that's not the way to get it across. It is really hard when you're emotionally not there and noone chooses to be weak. It just sort of happens, and it's really hard to change and be strong when you just...aren't. I really can't explain anything for anyone else, but I mean, if someone told me "you can't cry over every little thing" I'd just cry harder, cuz that's just how I am. I'm happy for you and people like you who are like "you know what, I can step above this" but there's a lot of people who don't see that now, or who it would take a great deal of time to see it.
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36. writes:
I don't particularly care for Chiodos, but I have to say, Craig needed help and didn't get it. I'm bi-polar and I've had some serious problems, but I personally was strong enough to get through it. I'm not bragging or saying that I'm better than anyone in any way, but he knew that he needed help. He knew that he was headed down this path and chose to do nothing about it. If it is a chemical imbalance, he can get medication to help with it, and hopefully he does. It really is a shame to try to kill oneself, especially so young. I hope he gets better.
37. writes:
And I'd just like to post for all of you who think you are a coward if you do have suicidal tendencies, the great author James Frey had written in his book "A Million Little Pieces" that:
I was too much of a coward to actually commit suicide"
Not everyone feels that way, Craig, and you are not alone, though there is help, you have to want to get it.
38. writes:
Well, however anyone feels, and whoever the guy/girl may be, whether it be a musician, actor, or just your neighbor or best friend, I look upon those who cannot help themselves with such pain. Gaining up on them, as any psychiatrist would tend to agree, is not gonna change or help anyone. While it is so easy to say "I don't respect the suicidal person" they are real people, with real feelings who might look at this someday thinking "this person, who doesn't know me, who doesn't know how I feel wants me dead" and that just isn't fair.
I am praying for you Craig Owens. You are in my heart and I sincerely hope you get the help you need and deserve. I'm pulling for you!
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39. writes:
I dis-agree that being weak is not a choice. It is a choice. It is a life choice. My mantra in life is "That which does not kill me only serves to make me stronger... so bring it on!" I dont ask sympathy for what I have been through. I believe they happend for one reason or another. I have gone through alot on my own and am proud of it. That which hinders my happiness I eliminate with an iron fist!
40. writes:
Well, I think weakness, like shyness or whatever, is a personality trait. It is immensely hard to become strong when for so long, all you knew was weakness. I am not an emotionally strong person, and while I have never attempted suicide, it was always an option in my mind. I know for someone to tell me to be emotionally strong, I could not do that, but I am still in the awkward stage of adolescense, but still...
I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, or with what you stand for, because no opinion is wrong, however, not everyone is gonna see eye-to-eye on this, because for me at least, suicide is a very touchy subject.
41. writes:
as much as i really don't like this kind of music i can see 2 sides of every story i had a bar buddy that killed himself a week back i never knew he had MS and shiit he was older than i thought at 50 the dude basically decided that this was it and called the funeral home and made arrangements and pulled the trigger. He was a talented musician and couldnt go on living the way he did.
Here is his page RIP Joe www.myspace.com/joemartinmusic
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42. writes:
Actually, I pity those who won't reserve even a little pity for people in such desperately isolated situations and mindframes that they consider or attempt suicide. These people, whether clinically depressed, terminally ill, bi-polar or merely bored enough are more than deserving of our respect, love, care and sympathies. To not give them this is only to add depth to the arguments of their circumstance. Perhaps if we had more time for these poor souls, they wouldn't be driven to such drastic lengths in the first place. And if we do all we can, and they still attempt their life, then one has to understand that they do it not to cause pain, but to escape it. You've really got to try and see the situation from the eyes of the suicidal, not from the shoes of the spectators. Personally, I would never have the balls to take my own life, so I don't see it as the easy way out at all. I think that argument is lame and weak.
The guy kinda sounds Bi-polar, attempting suicide, then waking up in the hospital feeling 'fine'. That's some serious mood swings, there.
43. writes:
People can say all they want but until u have walked in someone elses shoes I feel if a person is fed up and wants to leave this earth it is there right. Nobody can tell them to keep living there crappy lives its one thing we do have complete control over. My point is some people dont catch breaks all the time some people have no true friends some people life does nothing but sh** on. If they want to die nobody has the right to pass judgement on them. Put your self in there shoes. Try to put yourself in someones place not in a band.
45. writes:
Quote everyone
"no need to try killing yourself"
what the hell does it have to do with you lot, if someone wasnts to kill them self let them do it. for god sake it isnt your life, you dont know what these people feel like, and dont say you do because yall obviously have never been in that situation, thats why ya saying its stupid. people go therew sh** in life and handle it diffrently to others,
anyway, hope he sorts him self out.
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46. writes:
Well, I am going to say comments/opinions like post 45 are about as unhealthy as calling manic-depressives retards. These people need compassion, encouragement to push forward and most likely medication. They don't need to be berated with actual verbal versions of the thoughts already swarming their minds, nor do they need justification.
47. writes:
ok.... shouldn't this be on another site i cant believe that we are even having this discussion. not to bring light to taking your life but anyone remember black metal a band called mayhem dude shot him self in the head left a humorous note then the surviving band members took a picture and made it the cover on there next cd. dude lighten up if you a fan say your sorry for the guy if your not and your commenting just co comment go do something else listen to some music stop turning this in to a f***ing argument holy sh** you naysayers got practice or put in a cd everyone got there reasons to do what they do sh** if ur not in to this guys music i have never hurd of him just saw the headline but wow u people totally not metal nor will you ever be go hang out on the seen and argue in real life
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49. writes:
Never heard the band before, don't know what genre people lump them in but I hope he gets better and is able to find something to help give him a positive outlook on life, whether that be anything from religion to marriage or whatever. I'm not here to argue or try and persuade people to change their opinions, just expressing how I feel about anyone in a suicidal state, namely that I believe it's wrong to judge them.
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54. writes:
What an ungrateful bastard. Case in point:
"Someday you and I are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die, because most people are never going to be born. The number of people who could be standing here in my place outnumber the grains of sand in the Sahara." ~Richard Dawkins
And Post 5 speaks the truth.
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58. writes:
Kalis, I agree with that. Because noone's sole opinion is going to make anyone else happy. When it comes to hurting someone else though, some of these people should keep their opinions to themselves. Anyday, Chiodos frontman Craig ♥ could be scanning the net and see everyone wishing he was dead. We as the respectable people we are should give him some credit, he is another human, and if someone doesn't stand up and say that what everyone here is doing is wrong, then it's gonna keep going on, and more people will become upset, and none of this shet is really worth it.
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59. writes:
I am sure that somewhere on-line a bunch of people want me dead, but would I let it get me down? No as its just the opinions of people who dont like who/what I am. Truly I thimk that Ownens would be stupid to haul off and hurt himself over internet comments. I also hardly think that thoes who dont respect people that attempt/comit suicide should have to bite their tongue either.
61. writes:
Well, I suppose not Kalis, since this is supposedly a free country. I have also been on the net enough to realize that people are just as rude here, as they are in actual life. Owens, though unlike you, is obviously not able to handle stuff like that. It was said that AP's Mike Shea [hope I got that right] said he couldn't really take criticism. He is obviously emotionally weak.
I know I am getting annoying, and fighting a losing battle, cuz most of you disagree with my views, however I am merely looking out for Craig. He's not my idol, my favorite person, I didn't even really listen to his music before this. I just want him to be okay.
And I want people who need to get help to do so in their own way to relieve their problems.
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64. writes:
i agree with kalis for once...especially about post 5. How can fans or anyone give him support when he obviously didnt care about that (fans) enough in the first place by trying it. Theres absolutely no reason for comitting suicide unless what kalis stated above. NONE
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67. writes:
I agree Kalis, what did happen to raising our kids to be strong and to not take the easy way out? I mean, you could be strong and resist the urge to call an emotionally unstable person a retard, but god damnit, it's so easy! Why try to understand how the human brain operates when you can ignore science and decide he's just weak, and undeserving of any compassion. You said once that depression is taught in middle school. Well the fact that you think brain chemistry can be wholly explained to and comprehended by an average middle school student just exemplifies your ignorance on this subject.
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69. writes:
I called him a retard for attempting suicide. When it comes to sever and prolonged deppression, I have been there, done that, bought the hat, pin tee shirt and stock. If you had read my posts you would know that and I came out of it and did it without attempting or comitting suicide.
74. writes:
I totally agree with the post above me. It is so easy for someone to look at someone else's problems and go "mine are so much worse", and society has brought up a bunch of ignorant, self-absorbed kids these days, so I'm not really blaming anyone in particular. It's everyone's fault for thinking it's okay to treat people badly because you don't agree with their lifestyle, or more or less don't understand.
Craig cared about his fans. I know I have thought about suicide, and even though I have parents who take good care of me, and a boyfriend who loves me, and friends that support me, I didn't think about any of that. In fact, it was the exact opposite where "no one cared if I effing took a gun to my head, or overdosed, or cut til I passed out". You don't see what's right in front of your eyes when you get to that point. Which is why I find it hard to believe that someone who has supposedly "been there, done that" doesn't actually know how you feel when you have hit an emotional rock bottom.
And when you mentioned Kalis, about the terminal illness being the only excuse for suicide, I disagree. An emotional illness, in my opinion, hurts so much worse than anything physical.
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77. writes:
I have known a lot of people who died over cancer, one of which was my own age, and that's why I speak like I do. Those that I knew were so strong, it amazed me. They didn't let the illness get to them, and they could still do what a normal person of their age could do. If they had been all "woe is me", as statistics have shown, you are more willing to fight an illness if you are emotionally strong and want to live. If it were someone who was having serious pyscological problems, like Craig for instance, I would conclude that if cancer struck, it would be the end.
78. writes:
i think its incredibly rude and naive for any of you to make crude comments about his attempted suicide. leave the poor man alone, you have absolutely no idea why he attempted suicide, so please refrain from passing any judgement. who are you to say anything, anyway? most of you are probably 12 year olds who are brainwashed. hes a strong man to admit what he did was a mistake, and the fact that he went for help makes him stronger than a lot of people that ive heard of. back off, please. they deleted the posts from the message board because people like you were making comments saying he was an emo kid crying over spilled milk. thats absolutely not the case. open your eyes and realize that people have far more problems in life than youre introduced to. he asked for privacy, so give the man privacy.
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79. writes:
I know several people with terminal illnesses. And yes, they're all positive on the outside, specifically to those who are not sufferrers. But what you don't see is them alone at night, when the only thing they see is black and all they feel is a wet pillow with death literally in the room. I remember lying in my hospital bed after having two steel rods placed in my back to keep spine straight. I looked at my mom, burst into tears, and screamed "I don't wanna die yet". Maybe that's an argument against suicide, but just because we're smiling while you're around, doesn't mean we're not crying when you leave. And don't take this as a "my situation sucks worse" story. My point is I have no idea why Owens attempted suicide, but I think he deserves to answer the question as to why.
81. writes:
Dear DeathInEye,
I feel bad for you. I would not even think about saying your story was a "my situation sucks worse". I honestly feel noone wants to die, it is human nature. I respect you for telling your story, and it shows that you are in touch with how you feel and why you feel the way you feel. However, as I said about nobody wanting to die...I just know some people are like, they just jump on the first thing that goes in their head, after something hard for them [it may not be understandable for anyone else] happens, or has been happening, and then they commit or attempt to commit, suicide.
I hope you know, I was not disrespecting anyone with a terminal illness, or who has a physical ailment, but I am just trying to stick up for those who won't usually do it for themselves.
And KCLAUSS, most people don't even know what "emo" is. And "metal", obviously. Since when did My Chemical Romance become metal, as I saw on this site? This is a headline because Chiodos's frontman does mean something to so many people, maybe not to yourself, but he does have followers.
82. writes:
wow, I can't believe I read all of the posted comments...I can't find the words 2 express how I feel about this. Look, I'm 16 years old, but I'm not ignorant: I have no idea why this man would attempt suicide, but we know nothing about him or his life, or possible illness he may have. Even if he had no illness, I think even getting to the attempting point is sad.
One time I was watching t.v., & a commercial about depression came on: my sister was all like, OMG, depression isn't even real, its all in their heads, they need to get over it! This made me angry, I'm NOT saying I know what it's like, but I UNDERSTAND that I need to respect what I don't know: this is how I gain my knowledge. I look , listen, & respect.
Don't get me wrong, there are people out there who can handle depression, but not everyone is the same, as for KALIS, she's a STRONG woman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My mother also happens to be very tough, she's been through hell n back: n still there 4 me.
JESS DONI, I understand that it's human nature, but there are millions of people out there who have succeeded in killing themselves b-cuz they wanted to.
DeathInEye: You are so brave, really, I admire you tons!
83. writes:
To the above Jenny, dear I am 17 years old, and I know that people kill themselves, and at the time they may want to. I have wanted to kill myself, and have not done so because I am such a coward lol Then, I have a decent day and realize "gah, this isn't so bad" and then a bad day where it's all death death death all over again.
I respect what you say, the point I am trying to make is simply:RESPECT and you got it down right. I thank you.
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85. writes:
his girlfriend probably left him and he suffered one of those downward spirals that everyone goes through one point in their lives. Some kid i know tried to overdose on motrin and i just laughed. MOTRIN! jesus christ. This kid was a player too, he had a new girl under his arm every week, what the hell could be so wrong with that kids life lol
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89. writes:
Due to the fact that I have pretty much have said my peace (or to some chaos,) am going to exit out of the convo here. Before I do, want to say a few things to and for Death.
Brother Death, I know we dont agree on this subject and while I cant feel your physical and mental pain am proud of you and do very much respect you. You still go to shows and support that which you hold dear. You are NOT I repeat NOT less of a man for sheading your tears when you need to let it out. Keep your chin up as much and as long as you can! My e-mail box is open to you when you want to have an ear to listen or sholder to cry on. Kalis_wrath_666@hotmail.com
90. writes:
I cannot believe how disrespectful almost everyone commenting on this is.
I didn't read all the comments but that ones I did were ridiculos.
Craig Owens is a talented HUMAN being.
he clearly has some internal demons that he's now getting help for.
you do bash someone who attempted to kill themselves even if you do not like the music he makes etc.
can't you see he maybe has problems.
+it's out of respect that his band deleted the posts.
do you think he wants to go on and read about his failures ?
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97. writes:
"blessed with hatred"-
I'm sure you think he's a stupid guy because he is in the band, and you think it is a stupid band because you don't like "emo" music. I doubt you even know what the word "fag" means. It isnt gay, I'll tell you that. And I think it's really quite horrible that you wouldnw ant him to get it "right" next time. Maybe you should show the guy a little sympathy, and wish him the best of luck, and if he does it again, then say all the nasty sh** you want because he was dumb enough to try it twice.
I personally don't like this band, but I think it's really immature that people can't show a little sympathy...It's not like he ever did anything wrong to any of you, except try to provide music that some of you may or may not like.
98. writes:
At least xSlipknotxMaggotx has a brain...I thank you.
For those of you who say dumb s#!t about this whole thing, ur all so narrow minded! Who cares even if he was a "Scene kid" or "emo"...this situation is above all of those kitty labels that we thrust upon ourselves, b-4 any label and b-4 being a band member, Craig Owens is a HUMAN BEING, yeah, ever heard of that one! I DIDN"T THINK SO!!! Open up your minds alittle, honestly. I'm NOT saying you have to like him, just grow up and hope this PERSON gets the help he needs.
99. writes:
I would be so very greatful if those of you who keep posting shet about "emo" just back off. Noone knows what "emo" is anymore, and if I'm not mistaken, Chiodos is classified as "post hardcore" not emo, so get it right.
And I ask who doesn't have a quote-unquote "emo" side to them? Who hasn't cried hard about something. And more importantly, whoever made happiness not an emotion needs to be murdered lol
Get a lifeee except for posting dumb-ass comments on here
And Jenny, you go girl :]] Gah, we could totally be friends, cuz you totally get every point, dear
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100. writes:
I guess they think Emo is not cool? It is really hard to understand something unless you go through it yourself. The guy is having problems, we ALL have problems...good thing he is seeking professional help. I could be wrong but depression is one of the leading mental illnesses in the world.
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101. writes:
To post 79 - Death - you will always be an inspiration to us all...and being a metal fan makes you that much cooler...or sicker...haha. Seriously, it takes courage to share your story...I used to have suicidal thoughts, but I got help from my family, friends, and most importantly, a professional counselor. Expressing sadness, and tears does not make someone less of a man. I cherish my life more than ever now. It still scares me to think that ,at one point in my life, I was ready to end it all. Thanks for sharing your story, man. You are a great metalhead. No one is exempt from depression or dark, self-destructive thoughts. The important thing is to talk about those feelings, and don't let try to bottle them up. Nuff said - stay metal and crazy as all hell.
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103. writes:
I'd just like to thank everyone for their kind reactions to my story. I didn't really intend to write anything sappy or inspirational or whatever you see it as. I just wanted to point out that even though people who are either terminally ill or severely disabled appear incredibly unscathed by the situation, that the darker side still looms. Take the Randy Pausch story. All we see is him having a few fun final months, and that's truly inspiring. I try to live my half-life the same way. But I guarentee you, he cried a few hundred tears, as would anyone. And I'm not saying it makes him weak or anything. I'm saying it makes him human. But we don't see that, mostly because we aren't shown that, but we're not shown that because we don't want to see that. People choose to ignore that, and for good reasons. Obviously like Tx said, it's not good dwell. But I think, as a few posts here show, and on the 13 year old boy forum show, it's just as bad to forget.
104. writes:
I've read posts about people deserving pity and everything happening for a reason. Under no circumstance in my life would I want or expect pity...would you? My father committed suicide and I neither pitied him or expect pity for myself. Life isn't fair...it's as simple as that. Comments like "I guess it happened for one reason or another" are just cliche...they have no substance. These are the virtues of the weak, those who are scared to see the truth...that life is chaotic and not preordained. "Think for yourself, question authority"
Comment #8 was dead on (pardon the pun) with "you dont attempt suicide! either you do it or you dont" I never had a clue, one night my dad is taking my mom to a concert and helping me plan my college schedule, the next night....
105. writes:
I still cannot believe there are so many ignorant buffoons allowed to use a computer. I have nothing against the people defending him. I'm with them. Everyone else who is saying, "he got no balls to keep up his ugly life... theres no such a word to describe him but A FAG...", you need to shut the f*** up. There's a science behind it. But you wouldn't know that because you're a f***ing moron. You have no clue what he went through. Until you've lived a year in his shoes, you can shut up and eat a d***.
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108. writes:
I don't agree with people taking their own lives only because of the burden and heartache the loved ones have to endure with. My best friend who I considered a sister was found hung to death by telephone chord. She was twenty-one years old. When I found the letter that she had left for me to read, I was appalled because I had no idea that she was going through these problems and based on what i've read, I do feel empathy towards her situation. All I can say is that you never really know what's going on in a person's life and at that time, he/she may feel that all hope is lost and that's the only option left for that person to choose.
109. writes:
No one has to "pity" the guy, just quit displaying anger towards him...I think I've said it enough times, but I'm gonna have 2 repeat myself...none of us know Craig well enough to judge the events in his life,(or an illness), but still even w/out an illness, the guy obviously has some problems that we don't know about. AND AGAIN, not everyone is strong enough to handle their problems, but I salute the people who are strong.
Read Craig's words on the article, as you can see, he is WILLING to get the help he needs, and that is very important. I don't know him, and neither do any of you, so grow up.
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Let me embrace you with this kiss, and together we'll float like angels, together we will float like angels, higher than the heavens the clouds part ways, promise me to never look down, and we'll stay like this forever
I leave my parting words, Craig's words, I love you Craig.
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127. writes:
i can hate on scene kids all i want. they can't make good music and they look f***in stupid.
post 111 made me lmao. you're on the wrong site you poor bastard. i think you meant www.emounderground. com when you were looking for news on that sh**ty band called chiodos
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129. writes:
I posted 111, so Dark Funeral, yes you can. And people are as ignorant as to look at me and call me "emo" or "scene" because I look the part. I am just really passionate about what I believe in.
You are jealous because you don't have as good as a fashion sense as me, or the other scenies :]
I am so effing mad, like wtf Chiodos is not a shetty band. And don't disrespect me just because I like them. Chiodos isn't even "emo" they are post hardcore. Get it right, narc.
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131. writes:
Jess, you should look harder around here then, because metal is not a thing of the past. There are plenty of great bands popping up every year. I am constantly finding new metal bands that I like. That's the point of this site - not just posting news on 30 year old has-been bands. If you liked 80's thrash, the retro-thrash scene is flourishing right now.
132. writes:
Deathbringer, I am so sorry...I in no way meant any disrespect to you for [[establishing?]] this site. I tend to get carried away sometimes when people disrespect me for something I like. Metal today is not something I classify as metal, like hip hop today isn't hip hop of yesterday, as goes with punk. I'm not really even a fan of metal. I just want people to look outside of "labels", whether you're a metalhead, or a scene kid, or a jock. Why can't everyone just get along and respect everyone for who they are?
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133. writes:
music isnt about the clothes you wear you silly twat. if emo was as "hip" as their clothes, the genre wouldn't be viewed as complete sh** listened to by ugly kids who cut their wrists and spend 90% of their day writing poetry and on myspace. Get all that makeup out of your face and maybe you'll actually get a clue about the world around you.
How are you going to say the 90s or 00s havnt produced any GOOD metal bands but in your next post you say you aren't even a fan of metal, which means you dont even follow metal in the first place, so how could you know what you're talking about?
Maybe i wouldn't make fun of scensters if they werent so gay and easily stereotyped. sorry if im hurting your feelings.
np: the cavalera conspiracy: the black ark
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135. writes:
LOL Dark Funeral, I hate to say this, but you actually are hurting my feelings, and I'm comfortable with saying that. Just because I don't like something, doesn't mean I want to be ignorant about it. I don't like a lot of things, but I still research it and give it a try before I decide I don't like it. I have listened to metal, my younger bro is a fan of metal. I am a mere 17-year-old. I can make my own deicisions, thank you very much.
And I know music isn't about the clothes. Why do you think in an earlier post, I posted 'noone knows what "emo" is anymore?' Everyone is so quick to judge "emo" kids but noone understands them. I have given metal a chance, maybe you should give "emo" a chance, eh?
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140. writes:
panzram, how bout this little revolutionary idea. If you don't like it, don't watch it. god, all you like doing apparently is acting like your a badass from the safety of your keyboard. Is it just me, or does someone else think panzram is just tying to compensate for something?
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152. writes:
For those of you putting him down you guys are either insecure, or jealous. People all have problems, some people handle things different then others. I for one would never commit suicide, I don't think it's bright, but i've lost a close friend to suicide, and seen how much of a wreck his family was due to the aftermath, so his family is obviously going through alot, and you f***ing immature pricks just put him down? Go f***ing die you stupid c***s, you're f***ing worthless pieces of sh**.
153. writes:
Well, I do feel sorry for Craig and his family and I hope he gets better soon. But I can't help but be more interested in how people end up having arguments over comments -__- Nobody should judge anyone, they are who they are... Some people really need to grow up.
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154. writes:
152 has anger issues. so a few of us are complete a$$holes, deal with it. some of us just dont care about some scene f*** trying to OD on tylenol.its old news.these scene kids kill themselves all the time. its natural selection.
suicide is for the weak.
oh and i always say what im listening to cuz i know whatever i've got is better then this sh**! :D
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ONE LAST THING- did anyone notice the bandaid that idiot has above his eye? an emo kid would wear a band aid if he didnt need it. Look at me, im injured, pay attention to me! hahaha
and understand emo? no thank you. emo is a genre you can look at from the outside and know its all about being sad, sorry, rejected, ugly, and probably gay lol
Metals about being strong. ever listen to manowar?
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157. writes:
wow there are some selfish bastards on this site, you dont look tough or anything when you attack people who attempt suicide. No one kills themselves for being emo, its a funny joke, but seriously emo people are emo because they are trying to fit in not because they are trying to die. I wish you guys would think before you wrote stupid sh**. When someone commits suicide its not that they are generally trying to bring pain upon others, thats sooo selfish to think that they did it just to hurt you! when in reality the problem is there selves. They obviously no longer value life, or think that death is a better option, or literally just have physically a metal problem and it isnt even really choice anymore. And f*** if suicide is for the weak then why attack the weak? i say attacking the weak is weak. All of those who posted, anything about them being cowardly or weak is weak in that they needed to write it, it's sad, have some sympathy, and stop judging these guys. I dont like the band or suicide or depression or any of that either, and think its cowardly to give up but then again im not in that guys shoes.
158. writes:
Dudes, what is it with "somepeople" (ya know who u R) bring that scene kid sh** again...not just scene kids kill themselves or try to kill themselves....lots of different people do.
Oh, and Slug Emperor: thanx 4 stating everything u said....at least U have a brain.
159. writes:
Funeral, I have seen a quote-unquote "emo" kid smile. Happy is indeed an emotional, is it not? And yes, so I'll state that I myself am listening to a quite lovely band known as Hed PE, which is my quite lovely boyfriend's favorite band lol Hed PE-CBC [just to listen to it, I dare you lol]
In the meantime, "emo" is so much more than that. Sure, it might sometimes be sad, but it's relieving to have someone to cry with, to understand your pain, even if only by song. Something that I can really listen to and connect with and be like "I know what this guy [or girl] was thinking when they wrote this".
The more closed minded you are, the more life is gonna pass you up.
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160. writes:
Cum b**** Cum... they have better songs. Especially seeing as Only In Amerika was their worst album (Back To Basics doesn't even count as an album. It was a collection of musical turds). And before you think I'm bashing them, I actually like the band. What they have to do with the emo scene is beyond me though. They're basically rap metal with hip-hop sensibilities and punk influences.
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163. writes:
hahah. Their new album, 'Insomnia' is a return to form, for the most part. It has some good tunes on it. I recommend the song 'Mirrorballin' for you two ;) Hedpe's tightest album so far remains 'Broke,' but their most lyrically creative is easily the self-titled album. 'Blackout' was boring and had no direction, it was uninspired. 'Only In Amerika' attempted a few things, and failed at most of them. With Insomnia, the band draws more heavily on hip-hop, which actually gives their songs a bit more juice and helps them balance the heavier aspect of their music. Still, even that method didn't work on all the songs. But anyway... :P
164. writes:
i think sucide isn't the answer but if it was a drug overdose he clearly wasn't in a great state of mind. i have met craig owens and he seemed decent and i have been a fan of the band for 3 years now. im not emo so f*** off. im complete opposite. i love indie music mainly. so don't judge me and also im fed up of people thinking they know everything. people say they are intitaled to their own opinions but don't put others opinions down.
i really don't agree with people being horrible about him and stuff saying he is pathetic and all this. he is going to a mental clinic. thats shows he isn't in a right state of mind so there is no need for your patheticness. don't judge someone for their actions but for who they really are :|
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169. writes:
I love Chiodos and Craig Owens. He's the most talented singer I have ever heard and it would have been a shame if that talent would have gotten to a waste. I'm glad that he is getting help, and even though I don't agree with suicide in the least bit, I don't give him or anyone else sh** about it. I think it is extremly disrespectful to bash someone that obviously needs help.
Craig<;3
170. writes:
no offense but there are people getting killed by bombs and gunfire in georgia, and i'm sure those that passed would have liked to live in such a great and organized place like the US (compared to the rest of the world). and this jackass throws away that which all those victims would like to be holding onto right now. chemical imbalance? yeah sure and i'm sure those that don't see the senselessness in his acts also believe there;s such a thing as ADD. kids nowadays don't appreciate what they're given. anyone form a third world country would die to live a life similar to this guy's.
171. writes:
oh and i'm with dark funeral, being an a$$hole its ok. sh** at least we're being honest and not sugarcoating everything. i'm sure all of us here had had really messed up sh** happen to us. hell some of us here are probably going thru our worst times now. but i realized that after almost dying in a car crash throwing life away is for pricks who don't care about those around them.
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173. writes:
you know what this might just be the catalyst for another WW kalis. i just don't know if the rest of the world is ready...but apparently the damn ruskies are willing. yeah i hope georgia comes out of this one ok...but unfortunately i give it about 2 more days before the capital is under siege. i hope their military can hold them back long enough. or at least until a miracle happens.
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174. writes:
I hope so too. What I really hope happends is the Russias sober up and realise what they are doing! I wonder how the Russian sholders feel about what they have been sent to do? For alot of them it must be the complet opposite of what they ever dreamed of having to do. We have a "chat thread" of sorts in the "Metalunderground.com gets hacked" thread. You should come join us in talking about this.
175. writes:
you blithering idiots get so mad when you don't like some one's opinion. isn't this what this site is for? "be heard". if i (or any one else for that matter) feels that this chiodos singer is a loser for trying to commit suicide then they are entitled to that opinon. yet, you turds get p***ed & scream " you don't know about depression"......for fcks sake, get a life. depression or not, it's a cop out, the coward's way out. i get depresed, but i do something about it...i go to the gym or train or talk to a friend or listen to music or spank it, etc. i don't whine & cry & feel sorry for myself like a little btch...there's alot of people who are worse off then me who keep plugging along. suck it up, be strong. nobody guaranteed you when you were born that every you'd have a great life. this world is fcked up, you gotta do for yourself , take care of yourself. whining, i'm so depressed ain't gonna help. neither will suicide.
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179. writes:
If you don't like them, don't listen to them. this is what wars are made of. People being so ignorant to allow someone else to follow their own path. The people in here bashing them are some of the most conforming people I've ever seen. All you say is that the only right way is your way. That's wrong. And don't even try to bash me. everyone's the most badass person in the world when they're safe behind their keyboard. And I'm not trying to act badass either. I'm speaking my mind and standing up for what I believe in. Better yet, I'm using intelligence rather than swear words and threats. Give it a rest.
182. writes:
Mmkay, people? Come on, it's same sh**, different day, same sh**. If you're gonna make a comment or something, at least be in the least original. I scanned these comments, and I have argued with people in the past days, and every new comment that is added is starting to look like the predecessors. It's ridiculous. I suggest you go listen to your pathetic hair metal bands, or "screamo" that was conveniently called "metal" and leave this genre [[post hardcore, not emo, mind you]] and society alone.
187. writes:
As much as I hate to admit it, I agree with Jello on post 185 about me being a b****. Forgive me, sometime I say things without thinkin'. However crimsontriumph is not a panzie, the lead singer in not a fag, Jess Doni is trying to speak out like the rest of us, and NONE OF US are losers. You're the loser 4 putting us down to make ur self feel better.
Jess Doni: I see ur point: Still do...U tell 'em girl!
188. writes:
Pysh, no Jenny I really am a loser lol I don't need a computer to hide behind to tell me I'm not. When it comes to putting down someone else, though, I stand up for that, and will always stand up for that, cuz noone deserves to be put down like they are nothing.
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207. writes:
Are u kidding me? I know a lot of people that spaz... N.E ways, I hope everyone can get an idea of some sort. About this guy ATTEMPTING suicide, I still think no one has the right to judge 'em. I don't know him and I don't support suicide at all...but you just never know. I'm sooooooooo glad I have you guys, stay alive 4 as long as you can we can 'party' for a good long time!
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"Wish me luck, and let’s hope that I learn from this, and that I am able get out very soon."
*cough* Attention *cough*
Not saying suicide is a bad idea or wrong or anything... in the words of Doug Stanhope, "Life is like a movie, if it has sucked every second for the first half of it, chances are it isn't going to be exciting and great the last half so no one should blame anyone for wanting to check out early."
Human life is so fragile that is really ISN'T that hard to kill yourself, so all these "attempts" are crys for attention. No wait, not all, I am sure there are some of those failed attempts due to poor mathmatics as far as measuring the poision of your choice or what have you, or the seemingly fate driven breaking rope or "you missed by thiiiiiis much" doctor talk.
But who knows, this guy's life may be so f***ed that it was a serious attempt and was one of those fate driven failures.
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the way i see it, if you fail at suicide well...its self explanatory lol
but i'm not going to continue cuz i'd just be repeating everything i've said before. lol.
as far as smoking goes, i just did the a night ago and i had the one of the best sleeps ever after i passed out lol
np: dimmu borgir- relinquishment of spirit and flesh
216. writes:
Craigs my neighbor...
He is a good guy and has been going through a lot of issues in his personal life.
You f***ers try to manage his life of money, relationships, and the balance to live a normal healthy life and see what problems you have
All of you that bad mouth are just inconsiderate and arrogant to your own problems and situations man
217. writes:
so sorry, he has sooooo many problems with MONEY, RELATIONSHIPS, & a NORMAL ,HEALTHY LIFE...some people have none of that,no one, no $, no home...NOTHING & they just keep going.....it's called strength. your neighbor is a loser. a weak little fagboy loser. i hope next time he gets it right.
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219. writes:
Heh. Watched a movie the other night called "Wristcutters: A Love Story" or something (It wasn't actually as emo as the title sounds). Not a bad movie, basically people commit suicide and then end up in a world much like this one, only a little bit worse in every way. Pretty odd, but good viewing. Well, if you're like me and like your movies to be a bit weird, anyway :P
220. writes:
I completely agree with nichole. I was horrified at some of the responses to this, especially those calling him a fa**ot and that he should have 'gotten it right'. He obviously wasn't doing it for attention, and I think it's downright disgusting that anyone here would wish him dead because he has a problem. It makes no sense to me. Everyone hates themselves at some point, and yet you're making fools out of yourselves by saying he was just asking for attention and should have done a better job? I think it's impossible to blame him for anything, especially because he was obviously hurting enough to want to end his life. Most people here are being so damn nonsupporting and that just makes me sick. I wish him luck and hope he gets better. Craig has amazing talent and a seemingly amazing life, so there is something wrong if he's that down that he attempts suicide. Anyone who can't understand what I'm saying should really take a minute...or much longer, cause it's needed....to think about what you're saying and how cruel it is.
That's all.
221. writes:
I also agree with posts 72, and 74, and any along those lines. Jess Doni, you make the best points on here.
And see, what if his attempt had worked? Would everyone really be saying, "Hey, thank god, that was a cry for help but that fag is gone?" and sh*t like that? I really hope not.
I'm still young, and what I see here really sickens me.
I have had my fair share of suicidal thoughts, and most of the time, my life is pretty great. Craig clearly had some real problems, so this attempt means that he needs help. And honestly, what is he supposed to say, especially to fans? You're complaining and saying that due to what he said, it was an apparent cry for attention. He can't just come out and say, "I really hate my life and I wish this attempt had work," or however he really feels. Look beneath the surface, guys, it's not that hard. Everyone's entitled to their opinions here, but some of these opinions are so idiotic and not thought out that I can barely read them.
GET SOME EDUCATION. I'm probably younger than you guys, and I understand this better.
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225. writes:
Even thought I'm a bit too late...
It doesn't really matter if you have cash, relationships, lots of chick and whatever most people would possible dream to have. Sometimes, there are other voids you need to fulfill and it can be impossible to accomplish by yourself.
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239. writes:
"On July 20, 2008, Craig Owens attempted to overdose on prescription Xanax in his Michigan home.
"I woke up in the emergency room surrounded by my family and best friends, with an IV in my left arm, and hooked up to machines."
The attempt was the result of a long struggle with bipolar disorder, and frequent anxiety attacks."
thats for all you who think he is a waste of space.
and to you lot who are like omg craig owens is sooooooo cool omg im gonna copy and paste lyrics from his songs cos he is soooooo amazing.
right i know im putting my point across that people should leave him alone but i do not agree with what he did i think its an awful thing to do. but people have the right to express them selves
+ by the way guys quit with the emo sh**. your NOT original so leave it out will you?
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1. Kalis_wrath writes:
*LMAO* IDIOT!