Dragonforce's New Video For "Heroes Of Our Time" Premieres Online
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Dragonforce's video for "Heroes of Our Time," one of the metal speed anthems from the upcoming album "Ultra Beatdown," just premiered on MySpace yesterday, and can now be viewed below.
"Ultra Beatdown" is set for an August 25th release date. The album features eight songs and the tracklisting for the album is as follows:
Heroes Of Our Time
The Fire Still Burns
Reasons To Live
Scars Of Yesterday
Heartbreak Armageddon
The Last Journey Home
Inside The Winter Storm
The Warrior Inside
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3. writes:
This band is absolutely atrocious! What a load of regurgitated nonsense. I hope people realize that this is a PRO TOOLS band. Meaning they cheese out on solo's by recording them piece by piece by piece, then paste them together until it's perfect. See for yourself, search them on YouTube. They are completely awful live! Even in their gear demo's they are sloppy as sh**! THIS BAND IS A FRAUD!
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12. writes:
The ring is a Pro Tools ring. It automatically transmits a signal to his guitar that plays back pre-recorded guitar solos. What, you actually expect them to work on their technique when they have such important things as jumps, guitar lifts, whacky finger moves, etc... to work on?
I'll give these guys credit for one thing, they are THE BEST air guitar players ever!
14. writes:
can any of you fa**ots play anything? Or do all you chicks just sit and blast every band band all day. Stop talking dildos. just go f*cking die somewhere. Late term abortions are the best form of population control start with yourselves you assbags. God hates you all and is thinking of killing himself for allowing yourt creation to happen... oh there it happened I think i heard a celestial gun shot. great now no one is gonna watch over us now. Oh wait no one ever did
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15. writes:
Someone's angry.
Last time I checked you needed more than talent to write music. Sure, Dragonforce is talented. That's easily noticed 15 seconds through any of their songs that isn't a ballad. But the problem with their songs is that they're all the same. Nothing differentiates one string of blazing fast sweep picked notes with nintendo effects from another.
Dragonforce is missing something that power metal bands like Axenstar or Persuader have in their music: Soul. Sure those bands aren't playing at 251bps but maybe Dragonforce should give feeling to their music other than senseless shredding.
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16. writes:
I actually can play a lot of stuff. The first songs I ever learned on drums, guitar, bass, and keys was all by Dream Theater. Does that mean when you listen to my music it's going to be the nastiest thing ever heard? NO. In fact a lot of material I wrote sucks balls. However, I am slowly gaining momentum in developing my own sound that is unique with each song I write.
If a band comes across as unique and honest, I will respect them. If they come across as a repetitive cesspool of boredom who is in it for the fame and fortune, then I do not grant them one ounce of my respect. I take music very seriously, and I have a very keen sense for who is real and who is fake. I justify those convictions from all the interviews and articles I read about bands.
It is a known fact in the industry that Dragonforce is a studio band, who cannot play as good as they sound on record. The proof is in the pudding, like I said before search them on YouTube. You will see for yourself that they are extremely sloppy, arrogant, and money hungry.
I totally agree with the last post, they have no feeling in their music. You can tell it's just senseless shredding. It's a shame, but I am not going to let them waltz around this forum without speaking my mind on them.
If you really want proof, just pull their pants down and expose their vaginas.
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17. writes:
". I hope people realize that this is a PRO TOOLS band. Meaning they cheese out on solo's by recording them piece by piece by piece, then paste them together until it's perfect." - And that's wrong because...?
So Burzum, Xasthur, - As cruor has previously stated Deicide don't play tracks from Legion because of the complexity, are they sell outs? Was Necrophagists first release a joke because it had a drum machine? Since when the f*** has playing live had anything do with writing good music?
The sensless shredding thing - sure, that's what they say about Ron Jarzombek, Cynic, Athiest, Jason Becker, Yngwie Malmsteen, etc - AE you sound like an angry parent, "Turn down that senseless, obnoxious music son!!"
I don't think Dragonforce are amazing, but I enjoy them like I do Helloween, Metal Church, Blind Guardian etc. Even their most frenetic fans easily admit the 'samey' quality of their songs. No soul? Listen to the chorus of "Soldiers Of The Wasteland" - no soul? What gives it so much more soul than the chorus of Falconer's "Mindtraveller"? Answer, nothing, you're all just annoyed at the fact Dragonforce is popular.
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18. writes:
100% agreed with cynic.
And I sure hope you aren't honestly serious about that ring Autumns Eyes. For a guy who claimes to be such a master of the instruments... I sure hope you aren't serious about that ring Autumns Eyes.
I saw dragonforce live and I was surprised, they performed exceptionally well. Considering all the bad rap they had been getting for there live performances.
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19. writes:
Cynic, the difference between Malmsteen, the others you mentioned, and Dragonforce is that those artists have songs that sound different from each other whether the shredding is senseless or not. Dragonforce literally sounds like the same senseless shredding over and over.
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20. writes:
I agree with Focus, it lacks depth and most of the time soul. I don't feel they are sincere in their music, they just want to be rockstars and they want us to go : wow they are so good, so great. Those guitar players look like all they want is to be recognized as the best guitar players of all time. look at Dimebag, wasn't he one of the best that ever walked the face of this earth ? Yes ! Yet he just played, poor his heart out, didn't do videos focusing on his fingers for 10 minutes with super ultra combo, it was all music for him and it showed.
These guitar players in Dragonforce are full of sh**, full of themselves and for that they will never get my respect.
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21. writes:
Alright let me get a bit more in depth. When Dragonforce goes into the studio to record a guitar solo, they piece the solo out into 20 different parts. They will record the first couple of notes, quantize it, record the second part, quantize it, and so on. Finally they piece all of the perfect notes together so that the solo is perfectly in time and sounds like a robot played it.
Now you have a guy like John Petrucci who goes in the studio, and plays his solos as he would when he plays live...all the way through. Occasionally he will punch in here and there, but the majority is all played as he would live.
The difference between the two, besides the fact that Petrucci can actually play his material accurately both live and in the studio, is that Dragonforce are a novelty act. They play a certain "schtick" if you will, and cash in on it. They have also admitted it, Dave Mustaine constantly references them as being phonies of the industry. Almost every metal band under contract knows it.
It's just a shame that fans like yourselves don't have any knowledge of it, and are convinced it's all innocent. So you really are better off not asking questions, because you won't accept it. You will just defend it. Even if you hear it from the band themselves (as I told you all to do on YouTube).
Not to beat my own drum, but I am sure anyone with a past experience in recording and playing could EASILY emulate a Dragonforce song in about 30 minutes. Slap on a fast double bass loop in EZ Drummer, throw some power metal "happy live on hair blowing in the wind" type of riffs over it, fart out a bass line you bury in the mix just to fill in the bottom end, record your chop suey guitar solo over it, end with a vocal recording with Antares Auto Tune going ape sh** because it's never worked that hard before, throw on some harmonizers BOOM Dragonforce.
You or nobody else will EVER convince me that this band deserves respect, so stop wasting your time. Every word that comes out of your brain makes you look that much worse and that much more immature. So just suck it up, and move on.
p.s. - props to Red_Chord for the Dime comment, very true
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23. writes:
I guess i'll get lapidated for saying that i actually like this band - with their 'inspirational' melodies - though i do agree that there is basically nothing new here - sounds like the stuff from their past. OK...now i guess its time to run for cover..........
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27. writes:
I like the previous album, meaning it appeals to my ear. However I really don't think they're able to emmulate their albums live. But! I wouldn't advise using YouTube to form your opinion. 90% of the videos of bands live are shot by fans with cellphones. And obviously the ones recorded by the bands are typically mixed and mastered and some are even pieced together! Also, although I still respect him, quoting Dave Mustaine here won't go far. =)
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29. writes:
The only question that I would have is, do you think DragonForce take themselves seriously? After listening to their music, I have to just laugh. Its so over the top that if they did take themselves seriously, I would almost have to laugh even more. I honestly can't knock them for being a pro tools band because at least they have one, but I would have to say that if they could pull out that sound in one shot, I would respect them a lot more. I like it when you watch the dvds and see the guitarists slaving away at trying to make the solo sound good in a continuous pass. Its nice to know that some guys are doing it for the love, and cause its their job so what else are they going to do?
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31. writes:
Well AE I go back to my same point, something which was put foreward eloquently by Billy Corgan when he was asked why he layered his guitars so much when he knew it couldn't be reproduced live - the answer is simple, why would you want to create a record that is any less than the best sounding it could possibly be? Why sacrifice substance in a record just so you can say you can play it live?
It makes no sense, that's why I used Xasthur as an example - so what if his vocals are enhanced, his guitars are layered and he could never play it live. The music is great and that's the bottom line.
Now if your argument is that John Petrucci is a better guitar player than Herman Lee and there's widespread overblowing of the talent of Dragonforce then sure I totally agree. But direct your anger towards ignorant fans instead of the band if that's the case.
@FocusShift - fair enough if you think it's soulless shredding, I feel something else when I listen to it though.
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33. writes:
all this band has is thier solos, take that away and you have 80's dance hits. seriously, they use the same f***ing scale over and over again, exciting when they first arrived, but now there going down the road we all assumed they'd go and thats down the sh**ter for making recycled sh** like this and if you like this you ned to get out of your box.
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34. writes:
Well in that case, I don't even have to be a musician to put together music. I can just have someone tell me how to do it, piece together a bunch of samples and prerecorded stuff, and put it all together. As long as it sounds good that's fine. Who cares if I'm going out and making a lot of money off it and exploiting myself as a good musician. Who cares if it is a dark cloud over all the real bands who work hard at it.
I am seriously amazed at the amount of stupidity showcased here. Your seriously going to come into this metal forum and pulling referance from BILLY CORGAN??? You dumb fu cking pr ick, every band layers tracks, but not every band fakes their talent!
So your going to tell me that it's worth the 50 f ucking dollars you pay to see a band play a song that you love, only to find that they left out half the song. Sure they play the basic "gist" of the song, but that's all you really need right? Yeah, your right. F ucking shi t stain.
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Well my opinions on Dragonforce havn't changed since the last debate but this is all I'm gonna say on the matter. Cynic, all artists should constantly strive to create the best music they can create but if they can't recreate it live than it shouldn't be recreated at all. Xasthur doesn't play live his art live. Dragonforce should try to create the best art they can but they can't recreate it live so why do they bother? Lets picture anytype of sport where plays are a necessity (eg American Football) a team (a band) draws up a completely perfect and flawless play and looks absolutely perfect on the board (records a masterpiece album) but the team (band) can't perform that play (album) just as flawless when it matters, on the playing field in a game (on stage at a live show) then what is the point of running that play? But to each their own.
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37. writes:
geeez guys. some people just need to chillax.
Its not like Dragonforce are trying to hide that they enhance their music in the studio. And even if they did, almost everybody knows they do. Im sure herman lee is still a hell of a lot better guitarist than some of the people hear bashing them.
People listen to them because they like what they hear, regardless of how they wrote it. I dont have any less respect for them. Sometimes its good to just pick it up and listen to some wild shredding and insane guitar.
If you fully knew this and understood it, you would not be ignorant enough to still sit there and be like "oh but they still dont write their music properly..." I dont get how people can be like "oh well if i was to go to their concert even though i dont like them i would not be getting my moneys worth."
If you dont like these guys then its obviously not your problem, rather the problem of the fans that regardless of what seems to have upset a lot of you guys, does not stop them from going to their concerts and most likely enjoy themselves.
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38. writes:
G'damn, all this for saying they're playing the same thing over and over. Let's face it, Dragonforce, like nearly every other band in metal history, is a band you either like or don't like. I'm pretty sure no one here will be convinced otherwise whether they like their sound or not. I myself like Dragonforce's sound but their novelty has worn out and I can only take them in small (i.e one song per time interval) doses before I've felt like I've heard the same riff/lyric/solo in the last song/album. When I compare a band like Necrophagist or Arsis, who also get the wankery title thrown around at them) to Dragonforce, I can hear differences song to song with those bands, but not with Dragonforce (which is why I call it soulless shredding).
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39. writes:
I'm pretty much with Focus. I like their previous major album because it's a decent quality recording of all they can do, from what I can tell. That's I need from them, not 10 rearranged (if they even go so far as to rearrange them) versions. I think most people will eventually reallize this and they'll have a topping off. That or they're a new version of AC/DC. =D Shout if you want a power ballad of Big Balls!
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43. writes:
To Autumn Eyes - first let it be known that YOU were the one who broke and descended into petty insults. Now prepare for your post to be dissected.
"Well in that case, I don't even have to be a musician to put together music." - Hmm well I think someone who puts music together is the definition of a musician so...
"As long as it sounds good that's fine. " - Damn right! Name me one band who writes awesome music that sounds great and you don't consider them a proper musician?
"Who cares if I'm going out and making a lot of money off it" - Er not me, I'm not even sure what you're criticizing here - saying Dragonforce are selling out for making their albums... as good as they can?
"Who cares if it is a dark cloud over all the real bands who work hard at it" - If those bands were really quality they would be under no dark cloud. Metal will ALWAYS be under the cloud of the mainstream, so we already know success isn't always a sign of good music.
"pulling referance from BILLY CORGAN???" - Umm yep since the reference pretty much summed my point up, it could of been a reference from the pope and I still would have used it. Try reading it again without the negative bias of Corgan.
"every band layers tracks, but not every band fakes their talent!" - So the difference between what DF did and what other bands do is...? They do it better? More? Again, the end result is what matters not how you got there.
As far as the live thing, I haven't been trying to argue they can reproduce their songs live so don't spew your bile at me about that.
To cruor now!
"Cynic, all artists should constantly strive to create the best music they can create but if they can't recreate it live than it shouldn't be recreated at all." - Well that's a pretty idealistic approach which I'd agree with if it didn't rob me of alot of my favorite acts. I'm pretty sure if you held a survey at the end of a Dragonforce show asking "Do you think the show was worth it or would you take your money back", the majority would say it was worth it - and isn't pleasing fans what live shows are really about?
And I'd disagree with your analogy for one reason - creating a play is nowhere near as important in sport as making the play. Where as in music creating an album is far more important than playing live (name me one well known band who never records but always plays live?). But reverse it and I'd agree - Dragonforce are a band who always wins the match, but gets help designing the plays :P - And awesome choice with the Mortiis track!!
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46. writes:
Oh poor misinformed music fan, that post I actually read in the studio here and made myself and a hell of a lot more notable musicians laugh. It's okay, I understand that there are always those who will never truly understand what goes down behind the scenes. Nice try though! :)
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47. writes:
I suppose it's easy to ignore everything I say, all my questions, hell, my whole post when you're on such a high horse, ay Autumn Eyes? For a second I thought you we were actually going to have a discussion but I guess it's hard when your ego is so f***ing huge. Turns out your just another person who regresses to personal insults and ignore any further points.
Misinformed music fan? Ahaha, I know more about metal than you ever will. Whether it's an album demo or a f***ing midi file I couldn't care. If the music, composition, originality etc there, I'll appreciate it no matter what medium or how many cheap tricks are happening.
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49. writes:
Well in all fairness. With the amount of time and money going into making albums these days its no surprise they recycle riffs. With all the downloading of music going on they really only make there good portion of money from touring. Dragonforce to me, only gained there popularity through the internet. As with about 50% of every other band out there.
On another note. Autumns Eyes sucks.
50. writes:
jesus christ autumn-eyes guy u must be at least 300 lbs u just sit on ur a$$ all day trying to prove dragonforce and all other bands like it are no good because of the way they make their music. I seriously think you should go outside and relax mebe walk your dog or what ever else the hell u have as a pet... I would like to see you even play 10 seconds of one of herman Li's solos. He can play the guitar like fu-cking crazy. They are definately a pro tools band who do most of their work in a studio but they make sh-it loads more money than you ever will and you will never ever in a million years be able to play ur little wal-mart guitar half as good as either of the 2 dragonforce guitarists.
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1. Thrashbanger writes:
Whoo boy, they always go overboard with those guitar solos.
I used to be a big fan of Dragonforce but not so much any more as I've discoverd other and frankly better power metal bands.
But hey, if these guys are going to be the "Mainstream" heavy metal band I would say better them than A7X or Trivium. This is at least bearable to listen to.