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Dave Navarro Complains About Rock Star Supernova Promotion

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The Panic Channel guitarist Dave Navarro checked in with fans on his blog at 6767.com, not happy about the promotions for Rock Star Supernova's just-released debut album. "The Supernova record is out today. Does ANYONE know about that," Navarro asked. "I just went to iTunes and noticed that there isn't even one comment up. Now, I have been complaining about the state of the music industry for a long time... About how major record labels don't stand behind their bands anymore but this is ridiculous. This is a new band that is full of platinum selling artists and the final winning singer from a high rated, network talent search summer series that cost millions to produce. CBS and MBP basically put together one of the most expensive ramp ups in album release history and so far, I haven't seen a single add or alert about this album. Now, the band will be fine. They are going out on a huge tour and will gain plenty of momentum I am sure. My point is, if this is the way Epic is going to treat these guys, how do we expect any major to really get behind a band that is new, fresh and totally unknown?"

Rock Star Supernova, moved less than 17,000 copies in its debut week, landing them the No. 101 position on the Billboard Top 200 Albums.

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1. Autumns Eyes writes:

Oh boo f***ing hoo you f***ing wimp Navaro. Maybe because people arent that stupid and dont want to listent to mainstream garbage. Again, I ask, this is metalUNDERGROUND....why so many damn posts on MAINSTREAM artists.

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 12:12 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. deathbringer writes:

The answer is obvious, but I'll humor you - the members all have metal roots or are involved in other metal bands. Of the dozen articles I just posted, there were only one or two concerning "mainstream" bands, and one was about chart positions, so that is a given. But these articles usually make for good conversation pieces as well.

I'll be clarifying my stance in a FAQ sometime. Clearly not every post will be underground, and depending on who you ask, they might not all be "heavy metal," as I apply a broad definition of "metal" as a wide assortment of heavy music related to metal as opposed to the elitist's "TRUE METAL" definition. \m/

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 12:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. Autumns Eyes writes:

Ive heard the "we all have different views of TRUE metal" thing a million times. It's a bunch of crap in my eyes. The people come here for metal news, because they know what metal is. It's growling, in your face, loud, evil, distorted, angry, gothic, etc... It is NOT people who market over CBS to find a gay lead singer for their sh** stained band. Im confident enough to speak for about 90% of the people on here that we do not want to hear about this crap. Enough of the Evanescence posts, the My Chemical Romance posts, and this post as well. Try harder to do your job, or let me do it for you! Find out information thats interesting. Like why Cradle of Filth sucks, what Type O's new album is going to sound like, if Arcturus is going to record again. This site could be alot better, honestly. Picture a place where true metal heads could come, and get all their metal news, info, media, etc... with all the bullsh** filtered out. It's funny that the moderators arent even real metal heads either!

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 12:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. RememberMetal? writes:

Thats some big talk autumn eyes but all I'm seeing are unsupported opinions. I follow where your comming from but I think the popular band threads are the best place for you to vent your hate of these cookie cutter acts. I do it all the time, s'fun.

As for your questions:

Cradle sucks (imho) because they repeat themselves, and Dani Filth is among the most bothersome vocalists of all time....

Only Type O know what their next album is going to sound like at this point, believe me, I follow these guys as closely as I'm able to, they're part of the reason I listen to metal today.

Arcturus seems to be in stasis due to Hellhammer and Vortex being involved with Dimmu at the moment. Again, this is another band I keep tabs on.

As far as "trying harder":....This "job" is something we do here out of love for the music. If you have a problem with it find another site.

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 1:41 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. metalhead644 writes:

i love how the guitarist from a reality-americanidol-sad excuse for a rock band television show - broadcasted nationally - is b****ing about lack of promotion....

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 2:09 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Autumns Eyes writes:

I do have a problem with it, and I do go to other sites. I used to go to this site all the time, but it's becoming so lame. I'm just voicing my opinion in hopes someone will do something about it. It's sad enough that certain metal bands keep calling themselves "metal" when they are weak as a wet paper towel. I, however, did not expect the people that promote themselves as a source for underground metal, to become just as weak.

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 2:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. Autumns Eyes writes:

My opinions, by the way, are supported in full. I would not waste my time if they were not an issue in my eyes. The fact that some of these people are trying to mask the idea of "metal" by saying "theres so many different views on whats metal" is rediculous. This is souly based on the fact that the people who I have seen saying this, are defending bands such as the ones I mentioned who do not belong on this site. Ask Lemmy, Mustaine, Shagrath, Peter Steele, Halford, d***enson, even Ozzy's dumb a$$ if these bands you're featuring are "metal", and I have a good feeling they would agree with me that they have NO place being spoken in the same genre as themselves.

By making this site better, it's pretty obvious. Feature something like a banner ad that features an image of an artist that you just interviewed. Images of the latest albums that have been released by some motable metal artists. Have a section that showcases a newly released song by a metal band that people have not yet heard before. Have sections focused on the musical aspect of the genre, for all the many musicians who view this site. Explain about certain bands recording process, what equipment they use, how they write and record their songs. Thats what I mean by trying harder, you could easily set yourselves apart from all the other sites. I would easily love to help, as I am a professional web designer myself.

If I were to run the site, I would screen each one of the moderators with a specific test to make sure they knew what field they were getting involved in. That way you could weed out all of the people who have a couple Slipknot albums and call themselves "metal masters".

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 3:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. godlike writes:

I dont really give a sh** about RSSN..and as far as I am concerned Dave Navarro is a puke..!!!!!!!

Hey AE, this is quite humorous that you're telling these guys how to run their site.. A site, that they moderate and take care of in their spare time out of love for metal..!!!! I think your opinions are fine..they're your opinions...and you have the right to voice them..
But here is a suggestion, develop your own site... fill it with only the metal that you like and then post all these ridiculous rants about how you would do things better...Whine about it a little bit more and maybe someone will throw you a hunk of cheese..???

You calling Ozzy a dumbass is like calling Einstien a moron.. !!!!!

This whole debate over which "genre" of metal is better is purely f^ckin ridiculous... Metal is Metal..!!!
If its NOT country,hip hop,rap,pop,classical,top 40 etc.....its metal..!!!!!!! To me this whole idea of breaking the bands down into different "genres" is rather pointless...Whether its hardcore,death,black or any other term thats been thrown out there...ITS ALL METAL...!!!

If you have so many issues with this site....WHAT THE F^CK ARE YOU DOING HERE...?????

I have watched a few episodes of Cops and Law and Order. And I have been arrested a couple times........So I am gonna go down to the Sheriffs office and the Courthouse and teach these idiots how to do their jobs...!!!!

*aforementioned comments are only the opinions of the writer...

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 7:37 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. deathbringer writes:

The real tired argument here is that we're not "underground" because we post a few mainstream posts. I go out of my way to post on obscure/underground bands and usually make sure they are actually metal by listening to them on MySpace or whatever.

Personally, I am curious to see if the made-for-TV band of metal icons would make anything decent (which they didn't really) or if they go down in flames, which is why I've posted on Supernova stuff. This post seems to point in that direction. That's a pretty crappy debut that I think just about any American Idol top 10 contestant could beat.

I've got something in the works to make the site better in this respect, however, and a few other ideas that I just don't have time for at the moment (having a family, day job and all).

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 9:44 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. StabbingTheDrama writes:

Dude, if you don't like the site then be our guest and don't come back. And if it were only underground bands then there wouldn't be as much conversation as there is on here. Notice how many comments there are in the "underground bands" threads. People like to argue their point and if the bands aren't known well enough by everyone then there won't be as much conversation as there would be for mainstream bands. I personally love this site. I don't know if this would be considered metal, more towards mainstream rock, but show cares? Big f***ing deal. I mean they all come from their respected bands. Create your own site and we'll see how it turns out, okay? You'll be able to do whateeeeeeeeever you want.

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 9:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Your Mom writes:

I'm going to start my own website and call it "Carmen Electra's Snatch" and everyone is allowed to visit. Hell, everyone has already visited. Dave Navarro is kind of a douche. What does he have to complain about? What a hard life. I wonder if he smells Denis Rodman's dink when he goes south?

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 12:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. Autumns Eyes writes:

It's good to see so much FIRE in you kids defending your precious metal site. haha. Ozzy is a dumbass, a f***ing druggy, and a f***ing waste of life. So what you gonna do about it? This site has become just a big joke to myself, all of my friends, and all of the bands I know very well that you post on. The only reason myself, and everyone I know comes to this site is as a novilty. Like going to rotten.com or something. So we can all see what rediculous thing will appear next. and make us laugh/p***ed. Thank you all for your comments though, you are all so correct. Seriously, I am really glad you straightened me out. I dont know what I would have done without you guys to show me what Ive done and said wrong. It's a real shame that there arent more good people like yourselves in the world. Thanks again for sticking it to me! :)

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 12:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. Your Mom writes:

Let myself stick it to myself!

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 12:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. godlike writes:

Well its good see that you have seen the light... I still think your a moron.!!!!

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 1:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Graveyard Disciple writes:

I want to start off by saying that I see posts on here about bands that I don't like all the time....I just don't click on them....but I saw this headline and it made me laugh so I had to.

to the mods: thanks for operating this website....I always hear about concert dates, album release dates and any other news that might be of interest here first.

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 1:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. iammetal writes:

its true. record labels dont support their weaker acts anymore, unless they get heavy radio play.

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 2:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. stixnstond in L.A. writes:

Havent read the article yet, but i just wanted to say these guys are lame! I used to respect these dudes. Tommy made me want to play drums when i was a kid. I lost respect for Navaro when lost Carmen Electra, the hottest piece of @$$ around! And that chump who won the amercian idol thing or rocktar thing.. what ever that crap was... this dude should be kicked in the neck!!! His vocals AND stage presence sucked! That one chick with the fake dreads should have won... ok, i'm done

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 3:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. stixnstond in L.A. writes:

Ok, I read it... still lame... and so are record companies - snakes and leeches

# Dec 1, 2006 @ 3:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. Chupacabra_hunter writes:

Dear Autumns Eyes,I think that maybe the best way to solve your problem with the site not being "underground" enuff and posting on mainstream bands would be for you to not read the aticles on mainstream bands! It is not really that hard to do,take for instance the article on mortiis..I personally do not like mortiis so guess what? I am not going to read the article.I am not going to cry about how this site should only post bands who have never recieved any type of coverage from large media groups. If a band like Goatwhore suddenly gets alot of attention from radio are you going to cry when Deathbringer continues to write about them? One more thing..by you trying to tell the guys who run this site what they should and should not write about you are in essence tying to censor them..and that is just really f.ucked up...take a moment to think about that.

# Dec 2, 2006 @ 1:20 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. Anti-Satan writes:

f***in kick a$$ band

# Dec 2, 2006 @ 5:28 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. j.b. writes:

the problem is Lucas sucks!!! He looks like a punked out Squiggy from Laverne and Shirley having an epileptic seizure.

# Dec 5, 2006 @ 3:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. amy mcneil writes:

hey i bought the rssn cd and i like it i watched the whole show from beginning to end i didnt like lucas but he is really a good vocalist i grew up with the music of these guys the cd is really GOOD

# Dec 6, 2006 @ 8:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. Cynic writes:

What does it sound like musically?

# Dec 6, 2006 @ 9:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. To Your Mom writes:

Dave Navarro is kind of a douche. What does he have to complain about? What a hard life.

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Well, his mom was murdered when he was 15. Is that good enough for you?

Both RSSN and Dave's band The Panic Channel are horrible

# Dec 9, 2006 @ 9:15 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. Scorched_Earth writes:

I think we should all remember that participation in this site is voluntary. I've been happy to interact with most of the people on this site and suffer the occasional moron-it‘s my choice and time. It seems that if someone wants it to be better they can contribute more. I'm glad there are guys like 'Deathbringer' and 'RememberMetal?' who post info up, it‘s generally well done and prevents me from having to go looking myself. If someone else here really thinks they can or will do it better maybe they should be given opportunity to back up their words...

As for the topic-the travesty to me is that we're really in an age where CBS and other can manufacture a band with great players but REALLY average music and expect to sell millions because of promo. I'm a fan of Navarro's playing but he should know that when it comes down to it, 'great marketing won't save a crappy product.' Even with the Partridge Family, they didn’t try to tour. The fact is that Rockstar SuperNova really isn't that interesting a project and that's a big reason behind them not being sucessful.

# Dec 9, 2006 @ 11:45 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. TFUSCO writes:

I BOUGHT IT.... AND THAT'S ALL THAT REALLY MATTERS,
I THINK THEY ROCK ON!!!!!!!!! :)~

# Dec 12, 2006 @ 3:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. BLACKDOG writes:

Dave if you are reading this.SUPER NOVA kind of suck's.You know it.We know it.Now stop selling yourself short by jumping on Tommy's reality TV gimmick bandwagon and get back in the game.

I realize parting way's with Carmen could have been quite tramatizeing.(Their is no love left in your eyes.Their is love between your thigh's.Roll over say goodnight)But you gotta charge that to the game and stop wasteing your talent on this crap.

# Dec 12, 2006 @ 11:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address

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