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Lamb Of God’s Frontman Randy Blythe Speaks Up For Gun Control In Wake Of Florida Shooting

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In the wake of the recent school shooting in Parkland, FL, Lamb Of God frontman Randy Blythe has publicly spoken up for gun control via his Instagram:

“2.15.2018 No more “thoughts & prayers”, please. You can take those & put them towards something that only God, fate, random chance, the universe, whatever you believe/do not believe in can affect- they might do some good there. Instead of “thinking & praying”, here’s a CONCRETE ACTION you can take- you can contact your legislators & DEMAND that there be some reasonable, common-sense gun law changes. DEMAND IT, & KEEP DEMANDING IT. Most of the American people, including a lot of gun owners, want this. Why isn’t this happening?

How many more kids have to die until WE THE PEOPLE get fed up enough to force the government to do something? The time for “thoughts & prayers” is long past- it’s a slap in the face of people who continue to die as a result of crazy people armed with LEGALLY obtained high-powered semiautomatic weapons, weapons that are designed for JUST ONE THING- killing human beings. I grew up in the country, with guns in the house- these were shotguns, used for hunting.

You don’t use an AR-15 for hunting deer, you use it for hunting MEN, or (apparently) CHILDREN. The lunatic shooter in Florida is 19 years old & can’t buy a six pack of beer by law because our society doesn’t believe he is mature enough to handle it, but he LEGALLY obtained a deadly weapon of war designed to inflict as many casualties as possible from a single person wielding it, & he used it to wage war on CHILDREN. What does this tell you about American society? Some people don’t like the term “assault rifle.”

Ok, cool- why don’t we call them “Kid Killers” then? Is that a little better? Can we get a little KID KILLER control happening? Is it still “too early” to start talking about getting these KID KILLERS off the streets? Are the students who survived the massacre in Florida & who are publicly begging us, the adults in charge of things, for gun law reform “politicizing” the whole thing? Is it “too early” for THEM to bring it up?

Should we just tell them to shut up because they are children & don’t understand adult matters, stuff like why crazy people can easily buy assault rifles & then SHOOT THEM DEAD in the classroom? NO MORE THOUGHTS & PRAYERS- THEY AIN’T WORKING.”

2.15.2018 No more “thoughts & prayers”, please. You can take those & put them towards something that only God, fate, random chance, the universe, whatever you believe/do not believe in can affect- they might do some good there. Instead of “thinking & praying”, here’s a CONCRETE ACTION you can take- you can contact your legislators & DEMAND that there be some reasonable, common-sense gun law changes. DEMAND IT, & KEEP DEMANDING IT. Most of the American people, including a lot of gun owners, want this. Why isn’t this happening? How many more kids have to die until WE THE PEOPLE get fed up enough to force the government to do something? The time for “thoughts & prayers” is long past- it’s a slap in the face of people who continue to die as a result of crazy people armed with LEGALLY obtained high-powered semiautomatic weapons, weapons that are designed for JUST ONE THING- killing human beings. I grew up in the country, with guns in the house- these were shotguns, used for hunting. You don’t use an AR-15 for hunting deer, you use it for hunting MEN, or (apparently) CHILDREN. The lunatic shooter in Florida is 19 years old & can’t buy a six pack of beer by law because our society doesn’t believe he is mature enough to handle it, but he LEGALLY obtained a deadly weapon of war designed to inflict as many casualties as possible from a single person wielding it, & he used it to wage war on CHILDREN. What does this tell you about American society? Some people don’t like the term “assault rifle.” Ok, cool- why don’t we call them “Kid Killers” then? Is that a little better? Can we get a little KID KILLER control happening? Is it still “too early” to start talking about getting these KID KILLERS off the streets? Are the students who survived the massacre in Florida & who are publicly begging us, the adults in charge of things, for gun law reform “politicizing” the whole thing? Is it “too early” for THEM to bring it up? Should we just tell them to shut up because they are children & don’t understand adult matters, stuff like why crazy people can easily buy assault rifles & then SHOOT THEM DEAD in the classroom? NO MORE THOUGHTS & PRAYERS- THEY AIN’T WORKING.

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1. RememberMetal? writes:

The short answer for "why isn't this happening?" is that republicans are beholden to the gun lobby and won't budge on the issue as a matter of both principle and self-interest.

When a politician like Paul Ryan says "now is not the time" to discuss policy changes he means "wait until the pendulum swings and the democrats retake the House/Senate and eventually the WH so that they use their political capital for that endeavor".

Why do any antithetical heavy lifting when the other side WANTS to do it?

Personally, I'm generally against disarming the public and I can understand how it seems like government mission creep and overreach to take any action whatsoever against guns... We owe our existence as a country to everyman-level access to guns.

But I think regulating some attachments and closing some purchasing loopholes could eventually nudge the number of tragedies downward. Some will say the loss of freedom is not worth the un-quantifiable, hypothetical lives saved but I disagree. There are also proactive social and psychological investments that can be made too but those would/may take decades to bear fruit.

# Feb 20, 2018 @ 9:06 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

I live about 15 miles northeast of where the parkland shooting happened last week....the AR-15 and the AK-47 have both been around for decades.....people always want to blame school shootings on the tools used, but no one ever wants to discuss the high powered psychotropic medication thats handed out like candy by the pharmaceutical industry or the media who gives school shooters the attention they so desperately crave(both these industries have ten times the money and power of the NRA).....I like Lamb of Gods music but the only gun control america needs is the Texan kind....steady trigger fingers....

# Feb 20, 2018 @ 9:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. tg304847@gmail.com writes:

Randy guns are tools just like a pencil is used to write great poetry and composer of great music but in the wrong hands it can teach hate write profanity and even be used as a weapon of death...its not the pencils fault. More laws won't help it hasn't in the past and it won't in the future. Its a human problem we need to fix society and how we deal with each other till then this will happen more often. Guns will always be available no matter what laws you pass and if you take those way well kill each other with something else. Hell kane killed able with a rock.

# Feb 21, 2018 @ 9:23 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. coldiem writes:

And on the blinded preach, until the end of time itself...

# Feb 21, 2018 @ 10:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. Drum_Junkie writes:

Clearly SOMETHING needs to be done. Who would agree that this is acceptable?
I agree that more focus needs to be placed on mental health evaluations and how SSRI drugs are administered, but why does this need to be an either/or decision? Why shouldn't gun laws AND mental health laws AND prescription laws be on the table?

As far as mental health and Rx in relation to gun ownership, is it right that someone with mental issues who is taking SSRI medicine should have ready access to a high powered assault rifle? I'm not talking shotgun or a 9mm.

Shouldn't there be more programs enacted to address the high prescription rates of SSRI drugs and identify and properly treat those with PTSD, depression, or other mental issues that contribute to violent behavior? Absolutely. Who pays for it? Congress doesn't want to address it.

Regarding the gun issue, what societal benefit is there is the legality of owning assault rifles? The defense against a tyrannical government is not a valid argument. The government has tanks and much more that a civilian cannot own. For what reason should it be legal to own a firearm with the capability of shooting more than say 12 rounds per second? (Assault rifles have a much higher rate of fire than that.) What benefit is it to have the high capacity magazines?

I have no problem with people having freedom to do what they want until those freedoms infringe upon my right to liberty and LIFE. Where do we draw that line?

# Feb 21, 2018 @ 10:50 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Drum_Junkie writes:

flagged again.

# Feb 21, 2018 @ 10:50 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. ^such bullshit writes:

the flagging on this site is out of control, this place sucks anymore

oh and randy blythe is a fvcking moron...that he was moving away in a big huff since orange cartoon man got elected? fvckin pvssy

# Feb 21, 2018 @ 1:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Questioner writes:

If the AR 15 is a kid killer what is an abortion doctor?

# Feb 21, 2018 @ 5:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. CorpusUpir writes:

Canada has gun laws and we're fine. We still have guns just not assault rifles and a lot less deaths by shootings

# Feb 21, 2018 @ 8:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. such bullshit writes:

^well, I think you guys have a lot fewer attention deprived angry fvcktards than we do, and prolly stricter regulation on the pharm corps and medical industry that unashamedly peddle dope to the mentally unstable like happens here in in Ol Glory to exorbitant proportion?

# Feb 21, 2018 @ 8:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Hey CorpusUpir....you guys don't have america's level of gun violence but you also have a tenth of the population....despite the big headlines about last weeks school shooting most of the gun violence in america is blacks killing other blacks over drugs and nonsense in the inner cities with stolen handguns, not "assault rifles"....in fact if you subtracted the murder stats from chicago, detroit, baltimore, atlanta and new orleans america's gun crime rate would be on par with norway or sweden.....

# Feb 21, 2018 @ 10:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. psythe writes:

Dear America,

Check out our mass shooting statistics and gun ownership statistics for the last 20 years, then compare and contrast with yours.

Sincerely,
Australia

# Feb 22, 2018 @ 4:29 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. CorpusUpir writes:

@ #8 and #9 you basically just said why you need gun control. In Canada you have to prove you of a sound mind and aren't getting a gun to harm anyone to get your license to own a gun. After you have a license buy away! Why is it so hard for you Americans to understand that all you really need to do is make gun ownership a licensed thing that you do a criminal record and background check for and you take the guns out of the hands of the doped up and psychos. Also OldMetalThrasher if you subtract Canada's major cities from our gun violence you get next to zero. You don't need to take away what kind of guns you have per say , but at least make them harder to get and enforce stricter licensing laws

# Feb 22, 2018 @ 11:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

CU.....we already have background checks and a criminal record database check when someone purchases a firearm....since I don't have a concealed carry permit every gun I have ever purchased required a 5 day waiting period between me giving the seller my money and me picking up the new rifle from a store or show.....the problem in america is that psychos and crazies will just buy their guns on the black market or steal them from the homes of legal owners....i don't know if you're aware of this but cocaine and heroin have both been illegal for decades in the USA, and are readily available just about anywhere....We aren't ruled by a Queen, so we have the 2nd amendment enshrined as a right, not a privilege granted by Her Majesty....

I personally think that someone should be able to purchase a shotgun or bolt action hunting rifle at 18 but the age limit for purchasing a military grade assault rifle like an AR-15 or Ak-47 should be raised to 212, unless the purchaser is active duty or honorably discharged military....The problem with coming up with sensible and sane laws here is that both sides of the debate would rather hurl invectives and abuse to score points with their base instead of putting their heads together to solve the problem like adults.....

# Feb 22, 2018 @ 9:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

I meant raising the age for purchasing AR and AK rifles to 21, not 212....I don't think too many people would reach that age lolz....please forgive my typo...

# Feb 22, 2018 @ 9:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. psythe writes:

212 sounds appropriate to me. I think you should......

..............

...stick to your guns.

# Feb 23, 2018 @ 6:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Psythe....you really think that 212 is an appropriate age for someone to purchase and own their first firearm? My 6 year old caught already knows how load AK and AR 40 round magazines....Foreigners can tsk tsk at america's 2nd amendment all they want but we are never getting rid of it, ever, sorry too bad....I have an AK-47 and over 500 rounds of ammo and at least 20 mags sitting in my house but that scary looking "military grade assault rifle" with a bayonet never once forced me to rob a liquor store, shoot up a school or invade your helpless disarmed country(frankly the only things of value in all of Oz are cans of foster, kangaroos, hot surfer chicks and the Destroyer 666 back catalogue)

You may not know this but the AR-15 draws a lot of water politically and economically in the state of florida and other nearby southern states....Florida alone has over 200 companies producing AR's or their components(barrels, triggers, stocks, etc...) Should all those people be put out of jobs because of the actions of one lunatic? I guarantee you that on the day of the Parkland school shooting over a million AR-15's were sitting safely unlocked and secured in gun safes and closets from the gulf of mexico to the atlantic ocean....I like your lego guy avatar but we will never agree on this issue....

I also don't know if you guys in Oz are aware of this but there was an armed sheriff's guard on campus who cowered in his vehicle while the kids were being killed inside the school....when seconds count, the police are minutes away....sorry amigo but I trust my Romanian made Kalashnikov rifle far more than the donut munchers of my local pd should my house be broken into in the middle of the night when my wife and kid are sleeping.....best regards from the sunshine state....

# Feb 23, 2018 @ 11:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. psythe writes:

Do I really think 212 is an appropriate age for purchasing AR and AK rifles? No.

I don't think any age is appropriate.

Carry on.

# Feb 24, 2018 @ 7:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. fuck you writes:

My comment was spammed, seems like fvcking Doug the Deathbringer wants to sink this barely afloat sh!t ship once and for all

fvck you guys, pathetic fvckin cvnts

Yeah and this is fvckin HELLRAT, contributed a lot more to this sh!thole site than most of your own damn staff has over the years

Metal Underground my asss

# Feb 24, 2018 @ 9:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. such bullshit writes:

I do think there is a middle ground to be explored here...does any legal gun owner have any practical NEED to possess semi auto centerfires with high capacity magazines? In general, no....keep in mind that many owners of such are either current or former military/law enforcement with entitlement issues, or anti government militants with a fear of being overpowered by rogue government agencies

Sure, there are guys who just love shooting the hell out of inanimate targets just for sh!ts and giggles, but such users represent the minority of "assault rifle" ownership

I am a country boy by heritage, virtue, and continued choice, and I currently own plenty of guns (my dad gave me my 1st one when I was 7, .410 single shot which I still have) and includes ZERO semi auto centerfires or handguns....both are simply impractical weapons for my usage, most greatly for such weapons lack of accuracy

My home defense arsenal consists of an auto 12 ga. and my gramps WWll issued Springfield 30.06 A303...if any ill intentioned motherfvckers come thru my door uninvited, you better know they're getting all of it!

The thing is, my home state has some of the most relaxed gun laws in the country, and we've never suffered a mass shooting of any kind

I believe that gov inter-agency communication breakdowns and laws that protect the medical industry's exploitation of the vulnerable, and "privacy" of administrative action have led to more of these types of preventable atrocities than any lack of "gun laws" ever could

# Feb 24, 2018 @ 9:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Psythe....have you ever handled or seen an AR-15 or AK-47 rifle anywhere outside of a movie or video game? Just curious.....lots of guys here in florida go hunting for wild boar with AR-15's, so they aren't purely military weapons....they're also good for home defense because unlike a 12 gauge shotgun shell a round of 5.56 NATO ammo won't blow a giant hole in the wall behind the would-be robber/home invade....Just curious but what makes and models of firearms do you think are appropriate for US citizens to own...revolvers, bolt action rifles, M1 Garands from World War Two, maybe old timey muskets from the civil war? You do realize that in a country as big as the USA the police cannot be everywhere to protect everyone at all times....The second amendment is as american as mom, apple pie and baseball and without it all the other amendments are just pretty words on old parchment written by some long dead guys with wigs and funny jackets....

# Feb 24, 2018 @ 11:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. psythe writes:

What makes and models of firearms do I think are appropriate for *human beings* to own?

None. Regardless of country, population density, constitutional rights, and "protection". None.

I accept that farmers can require *a* firearm per household for pest control purposes, but can't think of a single other legitimate requirement (other than military and police purposes, which don't apply to 'citizens').

Like you said, we don't agree on this. I don't accept any of your thusfar stated justifications for gun ownership as legitimate.

# Feb 25, 2018 @ 12:29 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. psythe writes:

Nor do I accept your assertation that the second ammendment legitimises all other ammendments.

In fact, your "right to bear arms" is exactly as old as the District of Columbia v Heller, 2008, prior to which the Supreme Court had upheld its ruling, as per United States v Cruikshank, 1876, that "The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."

# Feb 25, 2018 @ 12:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Ok, I'm guessing neither of us is an expert on Constitutional law, although you probably just googled up those results...Lets say for the sake of argument that I accept the ruling from 1876(which I don't) the laws of the 13 colonies which preceded the formation of the USA all allowed for individual firearms ownership which later became part of state laws in the earliest states(NY, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Georgia etc.)....as new states joined the Union before and after the unpleasantness between 1861 to 1865 most of their state laws and Constitutions also allowed for individual firearms ownership.....The second amendment is pretty blunt and clear "The rights of the citizens to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Over and above all these legal formalities we are debating on a metal forum(where we really should be debating the new Corrosion of Conformity versus the new Black Label Society album) there is reality.....I'm sure you know the old saying that possession is 9 tenths of the law....there are already hundreds of millions of handguns, bolt action rifles, semi-auto pistols and AK's and AR's all across america from sea to shining sea....with millions upon millions of rounds of ammo in every caliber conceivable and bayonets and scopes too.....how do you propose making that all disappear....any attempt by any US government, Democratic or Republican to seize citizens arms by force would probably be met with a very unpleasant response.....Also, since all the US soldiers take an oath to the Constitution and not a specific leader I'd doubt you would get many to follow orders if a President or Congress ever order them to take weapons from private homes...

I guess the bigger point is that you and I can disagree on an issue and still discuss and debate things like reasonable adults.....most people in america(and I'm guessing Australia too) just want to scream and shout at their opponents across the aisle.......

# Feb 25, 2018 @ 1:05 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. psythe writes:

I disagree that the second ammendment is blunt and clear; I would suggest that it is actually unclear enough that the Supreme Court was able to do a complete backflip on its interpretation of the ammendment. And that lack of transparency is probably the biggest issue with gun laws that America has. The second ammendment can be, and has been, interpreted in wildly different ways, to polar opposite results.

I don't actually propose that the American people should give up their guns or have them forcibly removed. I do think it's ridiculous that you have them in the first place, and I don't think you have a single good argument for either keeping them or purchasing additional firearms. I don't think this internal Cold War of yours where "the other guy probably has a gun so I need a bigger gun" is logical, rational, or sensible in any manner whatsoever.

I'm certainly not a Constitutional Law expert, but Google is as reliable a source of information as any these days if you have the commonsense to avoid propaganda websites.

And the correct answer is Corrosion of Conformity, every time ;)

# Feb 25, 2018 @ 2:00 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

You're probably right about the new Corrosion album being better, but the new black label is pretty awesome too, possibly one of their best in years....Not every one in america owns guns in fear of the zombie apocalypse or crime or government tyranny....lots of people just like to go hunting in the woods on the weekend to get away from their wives and jobs....a lot of people also inherited historical items from their ancestors like revolutionary war muskets, civil war era officer pistols, Springfield M1903's from World War One, M1 Garands and Colt 1911's from WWII, and other items on down to the present day.

Just curious but have you ever lived in or spent any time in the USA....we have a different approach to gun ownership than most countries but its kind of hard for people who don't live here to understand the ins and outs of it....For the record I value my kid's life more than every firearm I have ever owned put together and tripled, but I don't think banning certain makes and models or rescinding the second amendment is the answer to the parkland tragedy....

I know its already tomorrow in Australia but I must be going to sleep because I'm going to Vikings and Barbarians weekend at the local RenFest tomorrow....also is your avatar a specific lego character or you as a lego person?

# Feb 25, 2018 @ 2:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. psythe writes:

No offense intended, but I wouldn't ever live in the States. Our ideologies just aren't compatible. It's bad enough here in Australia tbh, without adding guns to the mix.

I get that it's a different culture over there, and that guns are an inherent part of "the American way of life", but I still don't think that justifies living with them. I mean, you could make the exact same arguements for grenades as shotguns, but even Americans would think I'm a lunatic if I started saying every household should have grenades in case of robbers. Anyway, best of luck solving that mess hey. If the only solution you can come up with for the gun problem is "more guns!" then I absolutely refuse to live there.

Lego Head is a lego head, as far as I know.

# Feb 25, 2018 @ 3:09 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

I'm kind of curious what you mean when you say that "its bad enough here in Australia without adding guns to the mix"....also just curious what your exact ideology is that is uncomfortable with responsible individuals owning firearms for home defense, hunting and personal protection....I wish we lived in some magical hippy paradise where guns were never useful or needed but I don't think utopia will be created any time soon....what we have in america isn't so much of a gun problem as a mental health problem...

We have more military grade weapons in the hands of the general US civilian population than all the professional armies of the world combined.....as a matter of fact the world's largest standing army is the midwestern deer hunters in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Missouri....at 70 million armed individuals they are ten times the forces of Russia, China and North Korea combined....If we were really as psyched up for armed combat with each other as you aussies and your british and canuck friends think we are this place would look like Syria, but if you look at raw numbers the average american is far more likely to die from an obesity related heart attack or an alcohol related car crash than from anything firearms related and that goes for all demographics, white, black, hispanic and everyone else....This might surprise you but I generally don't fear being shot at when I leave my house(that's why I don't bother with a concealed carry permit or handgun) but only a fool ignores the lessons of history and relies on "governments" and "police" for their personal safety....In closing I'll leave you with a quote from one of my favorite founders, Benjamin Franklin "Those who would give up essential liberty in exchange for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

Oh and about the grenades, they are legal for american citizens to own, provided one has a class 3 license but they are kind of expensive....even a fully automatic rifle is about 30 thousand dollars, way beyond the budget of most, but I know that plenty of rich people in this state have class 3 licenses and belt fed machine guns....most people who buy their firearms legally want to stay on the right side of the law so they can continue to purchase and own legally....nobody buys an $850 AK-47 to go rob a liquor store for the 200 bucks in the register.....

# Feb 25, 2018 @ 10:36 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. BrokenFace writes:

guns are tools just like a pencil is used to write great poetry and composer of great music but in the wrong hands it can teach hate write profanity and even be used as a weapon of death...its not the pencils fault.
WTF This statement.
Explain to me how guns are used as "for good"

# Feb 26, 2018 @ 7:12 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Hey broken face....you do know that america won its independence with guns right? It was also guns that stopped the nazis in WWII, Osama Bin Laden was taken out with a rifle, not a sword or an axe....guns are used for good thousands of times a day across america to prevent attempted assaults, home invasions, rapes, carjackings and murders....think of a gun like a lightsaber....in the hands of a jedi its good, in the hands of a sith lord it can do terrible evil....if no human picks it up a firearm will simply lay wherever it happens to be....just curious but what country are you from.....

# Feb 26, 2018 @ 5:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. BrokenFace writes:

Im from the UK so guns are alien to me

# Feb 27, 2018 @ 7:51 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Now it all makes sense...as an american firearms and the right to own them are our birthright, a right that was hard won by our ancestors who revolted against your king to be free....in fact the american revolution was set off by a ham fisted attempt by the british soldiers attempting to seize arms from the colonists at Lexington and Concord, leading to the "shot heard round the world"....Millions of guns are used across america every day at ranges or hunting in the woods without incident, but every time some lunatic does something wrong/illegal with one it makes international news....

# Feb 27, 2018 @ 10:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. Drum_Junkie writes:

Hmm. My comment finally posted. #5
Apparently, RM? was also flagged. #1

Hey, Doug. What can you do about taking off the time limit for posting a comment IF the person is already logged in? Seems like the spam steps that are coded in are hindering actual members who are trying to add some constructive dialog.

# Feb 27, 2018 @ 2:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. Bolt_Thrower writes:

When you’re surrounded by 31 roided up kangaroos boxing your ears, you’re going to wish you had an AR15 with a high capacity magazine.

# Feb 27, 2018 @ 3:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. Bolt_Thrower writes:

If there is somebody in your yard and you don’t have a gun, how are you going to shoot them?

# Feb 27, 2018 @ 3:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. brandedcfh420 writes:

Hope he doesn't spout any of this BS June 14th....

# Feb 27, 2018 @ 4:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

I agree with you on this one hundred and ten percent on this one branded....I'm seeing LOG this summer on the final slayer tour....I respect randy's right to his own(asinine and foolish) opinions and to spout off on social media because I believe in freedom of speech but if he tries bad mouthing the AR-15 from the stage here in Florida he will be greeted with flying beer bottles, garbage and extended middle fingers and boos....

# Feb 27, 2018 @ 9:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. BrokenFace writes:

I have come to accept that most Americans are inbred gun nuts.

# Feb 28, 2018 @ 11:04 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. BrokenFace writes:

FYI
The US never beat the British in either of the wars the two fought.
What they did do, was make continuing the fighting to victory more expensive than the Brits were willing to pay given the other problems the Empire had at the time.
The US Revolution was, at best, a minor side show for the Brits. A place to get inexperienced Junior Officers blooded. In the end, the Proto US was let go with the belief that they would return to the fold after their experiment failed.

The War of 1812 (or as the Brits put it ‘the American War of 1812’) was, again a minor sideshow. The Brits were busy with Napoleon at the time. Minimal effort was put into New World operations and it was an unmitigated disaster for the US. It’s only a couple of centuries of bad history teachers repeating Official Policy, that allow this war to be called a US victory.

# Feb 28, 2018 @ 11:06 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Sounds like a case of sour grapes to me broken face....say what you will but a bunch of rag-tag farmers and fishermen took on the greatest empire in history at the time and won.(because they had guns, not pretty words)..same with the war of 1812....yeah the brits torched the white house but since we don't have the Queen on our money today i'd still put that one in the wins column....I am most definitely a gun nut but i'm not inbred....enjoy watching the Muslims and rapefugess over run your disarmed country....as for me....molon babe(that means come and take it in ancient greek)....

# Feb 28, 2018 @ 6:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. psythe writes:

Oh god did you seriously just say rapefugees???

Come on man, ffs, have some goddamn human decency about you.

# Feb 28, 2018 @ 9:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. Ghosts of Reb and Vodka writes:

Jocks, stuck up the azz chicks and parents who don't give a f#ck about their kids are the problem, not f#cking guns
#4-20-99

# Feb 28, 2018 @ 10:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Psythe....whats the big deal about saying rapefugees? Is it my imagination or are there not lots of refugees from the middle east and africa raping women all over the EU? Sorry my lego headed Australian friend but I don't go in for PC speech codes....I have plenty of human decency, but I see the world very differently than you do ....I'm 39 years old....I'm guessing you probably haven't even hit your 25th birthday yet....

# Feb 28, 2018 @ 11:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. psythe writes:

Working on my 31st actually, not that it is in any way relevant to anything whatsoever.

There's plenty of caucasians and natural citizens of all nations raping as well. Rape is not a strictly refugee-related problem, not even close. The accusation that refugees are raping their way across the globe is absolutely incorrect and frankly a disgusting display of prejudice. I am 100% done talking to you.

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Wish I was a rapefugees Id go over to the US and rape your asses

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46. brandedcfh420 writes:

So BF is coming out of the closet?

psythe - Look at Sweden's rape crisis since they started taking in the 3rd world trash. Maybe if their populace had guns to defend themselves, maybe, just maybe, their women wouldn't be such easy prey for the 3rd world, caveman monkey mentality rapefugees. Yea i just said it!! But crybaby bleeding heart passive cowards in govts around the world are too afraid of being called this or that, so they let the subhuman trash run wild.

# Mar 1, 2018 @ 9:02 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. Drum_Junkie writes:

Branded, look up the Wikipedia on rape in Sweden. They have been taking in immigrants for decades. The increased rape statistics there are primarily a result of an broad expansion of the definition of rape.

(also, my questions in comment #5 still have not been discussed.)

# Mar 1, 2018 @ 9:19 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Psythe, yes there is Caucasian rape in the US as well as Europe, Canada and Australia but it isn't a celebrated and normal part of our culture....its usually punished to the fullest extent of the law....I am sorry that the truth offends your delicate PC sensitivity but the truth hurts and the world isn't filled with unicorn farts, cupcakes and rainbows.....Typical liberal argument....you used a mean word so you can't handle the discussion anymore....oh and as for broken face and his threat to come over and rape our asses, he's more than welcome to try and the law in most states allows us to legally fill any would be rapist so full of lead that the EPA will have to haul their carcass off to a landfill.....Just curious psyche but how many Syrian or Congolese refugees have you invited to live with you in your house?....remember, Diversity is Our Strength(tm).....

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49. Blindgreed1 writes:

I'll tackle one question from #5 DJ. What is an "assault rifle?" That has not been defined as it is a term that has been given to a very broad spectrum of weapons. The media has latched onto the term and now it's being thrown about willy nilly. In some cases, people are defining "assault rifle" by it's appearance (plastic fold-able stocks) when a hunting rifle (which is the same exact weapon and shoots the same ammo) is deemed acceptable. Instead of trying to outlaw the weapon, outlaw the clip that allows someone to alter in order to fire off 30-50 rounds. If you're using a weapon for hunting or target practice, there's no need for more than 3-5 rounds in a clip. So I say, keep your plastic fold-able stock and outlaw clips that hold more that 5 rounds (I actually think 3 is sufficient).

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50. Bolt_Thrower writes:

What if you’re being harassed by 4 liberals but you only have a 3-round magazine?

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51. Blindgreed1 writes:

Then I guess you would need to put the weapon down and settle it the old fashioned way.

# Mar 7, 2018 @ 9:43 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. Drum_Junkie writes:

Thanks BG. The term assault rifle has been defined (check out wiki) but isn't applied correctly in many/most cases. A standard commercially available AR-15 is not considered an assault rifle. Thanks to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the term 'modern sporting rifle' was coined in 2009 to apply to the AR-15 and similarly designed modular guns. They come close, but don't meet the requirements to be called an assault rifle. However, you can easily turn them into one. Doing so properly and legally, you also need to register it as a Title II forearm, but an unmodified AR-15 is not considered a Title II forearm.

Since my comments above, I've looked deeper into both sides of the chasm of this debate and think a few common-sense solutions should be brought forward. Many gun owners think we just need to enforce the laws we already have, and I agree to an extent. Here are my thoughts.

1. Don't outlaw the AR-15. reclassify them as Title II firearms. They are still legal to own, but it will cost an extra $200 and require an ATF Form 5320-4. This also requires a more extensive background check and registering the gun with the NFA registry. The gun is still legal, it only adds a small additional step. For a law-abiding person, an extra $200 for an average $1000 gun shouldn't be that big of a deal. They can spend that in ammo pretty quick anyway. When you think about the car registration requirement with the DMV, why should the NFA requirement for a gun like the AR-15 be a big deal? The $200 would also help fund the ATF and various state agencies responsible for enforcing the existing gun laws. cont...

# Mar 8, 2018 @ 2:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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53. Drum_Junkie writes:

2. Fix the NICS (National Instant Background Check System) The NICS already has a list of 10 definitions for people prohibited from gun ownership. However, the NICS depends on state and local governments to update the database. The Fix NICS Act of 2017 (sponsored by two Republicans and one Democrat) is stalled in congress and hold the agencies accountable for properly updating the NICS. This is also important in light of the NRA temporarily weakening the background checks in Printz v. United State in 1998 on the condition that the NICS would be a useful tool for preventing 'bad guys from getting guns'. It's only useful if it is properly updated and utilized.

3. Universal Background checks. The NICS is worthless if it is doesn't have good and complete information. Right now, background checks are required when buying from someone with a Federal Firearms License (FFL). While most guns sales fall under this, private sale (and lesser gun show sales) account for roughly 25% is guns sold. It is unconstitutional for the Federal government to require background checks on private sales, but each state can require it. If the states are held accountable for updating the NICS (see point 2 above), there will be more pressure for them to do so. Although, again, the NRA is against universal background checks. Even though it have been proven to measurably reduce gun related deaths in Connecticut, and removing a gun permit requirement in Missouri (circumventing the reporting requirement) led to demonstrable increase.

4. Waiting periods. While the federal government doesn't require a waiting period, some states do. If more states would enact waiting periods (72 hours should be sufficient), then gun related suicides would also decrease. Those suicides account for roughly 2/3 of the gun related deaths each year. Giving a person time to cool off and act less impulsively would give a window so someone could get them the help they need instead of ending it all. It's up to the states on this as well.

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# Mar 8, 2018 @ 3:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. Drum_Junkie writes:

5. Magazine size limits for sporting rifles and handguns. This one is tricky. For hunting (rare) and personal defense, I cannot see a need to have a magazine or clip with a capacity above 10 rounds. I know Glocks and other handguns have 15 or more capacity clips, which makes it difficult to dial this back. For modern sporting rifles, a law (likely state again) could be enacted to allow high capacity magazines at shooting ranges and related events. Require those facilities to catalog and record their inventory just like hospitals are required to keep track of their meds.

With these sensible suggestions, mentally unstable people are identified easier, suicidal people are given a time buffer to rethink their choice, no specific guns are outlawed (only reclassified), and high capacity magazines are enjoyed in the safe controlled places the manufacturer intended and not allowed where they were not. These would positively affect the highest causes of gun related death and reduce the frequency and body count of the higher profile mass shootings - ALL without infringing on the 2nd Amendment.

# Mar 8, 2018 @ 3:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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55. Blindgreed1 writes:

That's my point. It's a "term" that is being used /overused and often used incorrectly. If we want to get technical, all guns are for assault. It just depends on what you're assaulting. Be it a deer, a duck or a man.

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56. Blindgreed1 writes:

And with regard to the high capacity clips... These shooters by and large are not law abiding citizens. If they can get their hands on them they will use them to hurt as many people as possible.

# Mar 8, 2018 @ 3:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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57. Drum_Junkie writes:

Comment #55. agreed.
Comment #56. There are somewhere above 5 million AR-15 style guns in the US.
Hypothetically, if only 5% of those owners also have high capacity magazines (which judging by youtube videos, that is probably low), that still 250,000 guns with HCMs. Of the 250,000, less than 1% (<;2,500) are likely to be used for murder. That hypothetical scenario is just to point out that most gun owners are law abiding citizens even those with AR-15s.

My suggestions are hopefully something that is realistic compromises without infringing on 2nd amendment liberties. That said, it's been demonstrated that the NRA is against every single one of them, showing how inflexible they are.

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58. brandedcfh420 writes:

How many of these anti-gun jack-offs are pro-abortion?!?! So many keep crying "save the children", while screaming "keep abortion legal". How can people want to save children and yet, want to murder children at the same time?! Buuuuuuut, this is liberal retardation on full display!!!!

# Mar 12, 2018 @ 9:14 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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59. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Branded, if the US didn't have safe, legal cheap abortion think how many more people would be running around this place....america is already at over 300 million people....without abortion we would easily be over half a billion by now.....Florida has already passed new legislation as a result of political pressure in the wake of this incident....the age for purchasing a long gun has been raised to 21, even though an eighteen year old can be told to driv e a tank or fly a helicopter in the military.....and the ownership of the infamous "bump stock" has been made a felony, even though no bump stock was used in the Parkland incident.....As a betting man i'm pretty sure that whatever legislation was passed it would not have been enough to satisfy anti-2nd amendment zealots who want america's firearms laws to be the same as those of the UK or Australia...I'm voting with my dollars this coming weekend at my local gun show.....i'm sure lots of other people will be too

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60. Drum_Junkie writes:

Oldthrasher, just curious, what would you be willing to have some sort of compromise on with this issue?

I don't think the Florida law is perfect, but waiting for nearly any perfect law is like looking for the sunrise by facing West.
The law increases funding for mental health issues. This could address your primary concern in your comment #2. Also, the three day waiting period shouldn't be that big of a deal since you said in comment #14 that you have to wait five days already.
I'd also like to point out that the federal age for handguns is already 21, and the 18 year olds that use a gun in the military receive military grade training before they ever get to fire a live round.
Regarding bump stocks. What is the benefit to society for their legality? Is it not worth it to ban bump stocks to prevent what happened in Las Vegas from happening in Miami or Orlando?
I'm by NO MEANS for disarming the public. I believe the 2nd amendment is an indispensable part of our constitution, but it is not blanket for any an all guns.

I'm for achieving some middle ground, not bouncing from one side to the other in knee jerk reactions.

# Mar 13, 2018 @ 8:04 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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61. Blindgreed1 writes:

Unfortunately DJ, historically, knee jerks is all we get out of our govt which is indicative of a reactive approach as opposed to a proactive approach. Put a band-aid on it.

# Mar 13, 2018 @ 9:10 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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62. Drum_Junkie writes:

I understand, but if no one asks for a centric solution, then it's going to be more of the extremes.
The hyper-partisan government dysfunction hasn't always been this way. There used to be a time when reasonable people could come up with reasonable solutions. I'm not saying they were perfect, but they were better than the incompetence were suffering through right now.
This knee jerking isn't limited to the government. It's affected too many people on both sides of nearly any argument.

I am seeking to understand the reasoning behind other viewpoints. Regardless of whether I agree or not, I at least understand where they are coming from. Then I am better informed to discuss and drive toward a common goal.

# Mar 13, 2018 @ 9:31 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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63. brandedcfh420 writes:

Thrasher, my point is how these anti-gun jack offs are screaming save the children, but yet support murdering children. They show how they are truly brain defective to the point that they see it as ok to murder children one way, and it's wrong another way. Not all anti-gunners are pro-abortion, I know that, but the news channels seem to always get the pro-abortion anti-gunners on the air waves daily. The propaganda machine has done a great job of turning logical thinkers into outright hypocritical nazi trash with their double standard philosophies. ABORTION GOOD, GUN DEATHS BAD. That is how it has slowly become in America now.

# Mar 13, 2018 @ 11:39 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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64. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

DJ, as the father of someone who attends public school i am fairly amenable to some sort of reasonable compromise....I said further up the thread that 18 year olds should be able to purchase shotguns or bolt action hunting rifles, but the age for purchasing AR or AK rifles should probably be 21 unless the purchaser is active duty or honorably discharged military....the problem is that the anti-2nd amendment zealots in the blue states won't be happy until the right to keep and bear arms is repealed and we have the same draconian firearms laws as the UK or Australia...as far as bump stocks for the most part they are useless and just a good way to burn through a lot of ammo quickly, but they are the beginning of a slipper slope....maybe the federal or state governments will want to ban bayonets, scopes or bipods next.....hope that answers your questions.....

# Mar 13, 2018 @ 10:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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65. Drum_Junkie writes:

Oldthrasher, I agree with most of what you just said. 18 yr olds with rifles or a shotgun sounds perfectly reasonable especially if they've completed a firearm safety course (which can be done at the local level - maybe a simple certificate issued from an area firing range.)
While I readily agree that there is an anti 2nd amendment faction out there. I think their numbers are far less than their media presence. Personally, I'm not worried about a slippery slope towards disarmament. Repealing the 2nd amendment is a massive undertaking that would require approval from 2/3 of the state governments. I don't see 34 states agreeing to that worst case scenario. Also, given nearly all past history on how our nations laws have been ruled, including SCOTUS decisions, the right to bear arms isn't going away in our lifetime. That slippery slope has been proven to be biased toward more guns. The far left has a steep uphill battle to fight. And plus, they're not the ones with the guns. :P

# Mar 14, 2018 @ 8:43 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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66. Drum_Junkie writes:

Also, thanks for not taking offense at any of my comments. Just asking some honest questions. Thanks for seeing it that way.

# Mar 14, 2018 @ 8:53 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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67. brandedcfh420 writes:

No response thrasher?

# Mar 16, 2018 @ 3:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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68. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Hey dude sorry its taken me a while to respond....been busy with work, dad stuff and enjoying the new judas priest album....I think DJ has a much better take on the issue than psythe and broken face did, although to his credit we did try and have a reasonable discussion first before things turned into the trollympics....there are no easy answers regarding what happened and the type of sickos who actually want to shoot up schools are unlikely to obey laws about magazine capacity, bump stocks or anythings else...I'll be attending my local gun show this weekend so I'll have an update for everyone on that front....I have a feeling that the AR-15's and their ammo and attachments will be moving quite briskly off of tables......have a very metal st. patty's day weekend to all of my metal underground buddies, even the ones I argue and disagree with.....at the end of the day politics suck but metal is forever....\m/

# Mar 16, 2018 @ 11:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. brandedcfh420 writes:

I was refering to my post 63

# Mar 17, 2018 @ 10:41 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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70. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Oh duh....yeah honestly I just sort of tune out all the talking heads on the idiot box....I know what my beliefs are on the 2nd amendment and no politician or internet commenter is going to change them....I was at my local gun show today and the AR's were moving very briskly off of dealer's tables...lots of cases of 5.56 NATO ammo was being carried out too....

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