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Alex Skolnick Discusses Illegal Downloading in "The Cost of Free Music" Blog

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Guitarist Alex Skolnick of Testament and the Alex Skolnick Trio has posted the following message discussing the "Cost of Free Music" on his blog:

"Everyday, I get a daily ‘alert’ informing me whenever my name is mentioned on a blog or website. Usually these are on-line reviews, recent interviews being posted, or just a mention on a web forum."

"Well, for the past several weeks, I’ve been seeing increasing numbers of links next to the words ‘Alex Skolnick Trio,’ with words like: ‘Download All You Want, ‘Free MP3’s’ ‘Free Full Albums.’ These are usually accompanied by tags such as hotshare, rapid file, mega-upload etc… The picture is one of countless examples. In other words, more and more illegal sites are joining in every day to, without our permission, give away our new album for free."

"My first instinct was to just stand idly by and accept it. ‘There’s nothing we can do, it’s just what’s going on right now, it’s how it is, blah blah…’ But then, as I was running on the treadmill at my gym, I thought about it deeply. And I got pissed. I realized I’ve been standing idly by at things my whole life. No more."

"Music is the stitching interwoven into the fabric of so many of our lives. How is it possible that something so valuable has been misused, abused, mishandled and run into the ground on all levels? Now, as if things aren’t bad enough, we’ve got people taking our work, which we’ve put countless time, heart, soul and sacrifice into, and handing it out like a cheap pamphlet."

"If the majority of musicians are unable to achieve basic, respectable, economically viable careers, then the entire art form is in trouble. And the least I can do is voice how I truly feel. If just one person reconsiders obtaining their music from these illegal sites, then that’s a small victory."

"So when someone asked where the could purchase ‘Veritas’ I posted some info along with this following message:"

"Whatever u do, please don’t get it from ‘free download’ sites. They are killing artists & music. They must be stopped."

"What followed was an overwhelming flurry of activity on the internet in support of this cause. It’s been a worldwide call to arms. I’ve been joined by fans and musicians of all styles. Some are jazz musicians. Some are metal musicians. A few are in high profile bands (Lamb Of God, All That Remains, DevilDriver, Unearth…)."

"Of course there are a few who believe in ‘free music ideals.’ Some even have the audacity to imply that our motive is to get rich. These people are clearly disconnected from the realities of the music biz."

"I can assure you that in the band I’m most known for, Testament, no one has gotten rich. The other guys have outside work- blue collar jobs and some have spouses that do as well."

"In my case, I’ve been able to channel guitar playing into work as a session guitarist and live/touring musician for hire. I consider myself lucky. Similarly, the guys in AST get by on music but just barely. They’re highly skilled players who are able to get session and live have to do as many local gigs as they can with whomever will hire them in order to get by."

"We’ve all paid dues that would cause some to never pick up their instruments again."

"I don’t think it’s asking too much for any of us, Testament or AST, to live off of our recorded music on a basic level. Do you?"

"What follows is the conversation as it unfolded on Twitter over the course of a couple days. There were far too many tweets to post here so I’ve attempted to limited it to the most relative ones. In the case of those that extended beyond the 140 character limit there are links that can be copied and pasted. , As of right now, the entire, unedited enchilada is still available on Twitter itself, just look at my Profile @alexskolnick."

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1. brandedcfh420 writes:

"Music is the stitching interwoven into the fabric of so many of our lives. How is it possible that something so valuable has been misused, abused, mishandled and run into the ground on all levels?"

alex, are you refering to the way the musicians have looked at fans like they are just cattle and treat us like peasants?!

"If the majority of musicians are unable to achieve basic, respectable, economically viable careers, then the entire art form is in trouble"

BLAME THE RECORD INDUSTRY, NOT THE FANS!!!

"I can assure you that in the band I’m most known for, Testament, no one has gotten rich. The other guys have outside work- blue collar jobs and some have spouses that do as well."

and so many of your fans are having trouble making ends meet and can only get your music through d/l it! its not the fkn 80s anymore, its the 21st century and people have been sent to the poor house due to our loving govt and these same people cant afford to pay $20-$30 for a cd most of the time! BUT HEY, AS LONG AS THE MUSICIANS GET THEIR MONEY WTF DO THEY CARE? As long as they can live in their $100 million dollar mansions then all is good heh!? As long as they can travel the world and see their fans living in poverty around the world then hey, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!!!!

# May 3, 2011 @ 8:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. BrianMN writes:

Thank you Branded, couldn't have said it better.
I'd also like to point out that....how many times have all of us plunked down 20.00 for a cd to find out there is only one good song and the rest is filler?
How would all these "musicians" like it if the world filed a class action suit to get our money back for every time we've been burned by a crap cd?
I have a collection of one hit wonders that I paid good money for.
Sorry recording industry but the public started downloading for that reason and so many others.
Keep in mind, I FINALLY have the new Septicflesh coming in the mail today.
Artists like that, I have NO problem supporting.
But cry babies like Metallica who have five different mansions....bite me.
Try releasing a good cd and I'll buy it.
And yes, I DID buy Death Magnetic crappy clipping and all.
As for Skolnick?
I know I'm in the minority but "Formation of Damnation" is one of those cd's that sits on the shelves and collects dust.
Care to give me my money back?

# May 3, 2011 @ 9:05 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. Bruce writes:

branded, if your paying $20-$30 for a CD, you need to change record stores. And most of the people illegally downloading music are these kids who: 1) have the money to pay for it and 2) are downloading massive amounts of music that they will never listen to. Although, I do think that people who actually are poor and just want to hear the new Testament album should be able to illegally download it. and how many metal musicians are living in $100 million dollar mansions. Now obviously your just exaggerating (I hope) with that number. But I'm pretty sure most bands are living in normal houses. I think your thinking of musicians like Brittany Spears or, well I really don't know pop musicians, who do get disgustingly rich off their music.

He even said that most of the guys in Testament work blue collar jobs. If a band as big as Testament is still working day jobs, imagine how much it hurts less known bands when you illegally download their music. If this was someone like Ozzy Osbourne complaining about this, then I would completely agree with you. But according to this, Testament is not a band getting rich off their music.

# May 3, 2011 @ 9:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. brandedcfh420 writes:

yes i was exaggerating about the mansion price but its true, as long as they can continue to live their spoiled lives and not have worry about things in life, then they will do what they can fk whoever over to keep it. they see that people arouond the world are being driven to utter poverty but hey, as long as they get their money it doesnt bother them! sure they say things to make it appear they care but overall, the vast majority of musicians of w/e genre dont fkn care about their fans! $$$$ IS ALL THAT MATTERS!

as for testament i know they have been struggling through the years and i respect them for everything they have done. what a lot of these fkrs dont realize is that some of the "free download sites" are paid downloads for the program, but the music is free. they are still getting $$ from the sites that pay to be able to put the music up for d/l! but thats hugely ignored these days as the rich are doing what they can to kill the poor in every aspect of life!!! but it doesnt matter as long as they get their $$$

# May 3, 2011 @ 9:44 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. Bruce writes:

Yeah I understand what your saying, but you say it like your talking about every musician. And there are some underground bands that deserve the support and are probably much poorer than the people illegally downloading their music. So for bands like Metallica and Megadeth and, hell, I'll even throw in Testament, I don't see a huge problem with downloading their music. But what about the underground musicians who make amazing music and can't continue on because no one is buying their CDs.

This example isn't about music, but I think it kind of shows what the average illegal downloader is like. A few years ago this company made a video game that was a bunch (60 of them, I think) of little mini games for the PC, you could download it for their website. They were asking for 10 dollars, but you could pay anything you wanted for it, even going as low as a penny. 1/3 of all the downloads were still illegally downloaded. To me that says something about people who illegally download things. But maybe I just have this view because I'm fortunate enough to be able to pay for my CDs.

But Honestly, I really don't care if you illegally download every song that ever existed. We are really on the same side of this argument, I'm just saying I think there are certain bands you shouldn't illegally download from and there's certain people (the kind that can afford it) who shouldn't be illegally downloading.

# May 3, 2011 @ 10:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. b.bristowe writes:

The power that be have let downloading do on for long enough that it is irreversible now. You can buy all the 1 dollar songs you want, but people have been downloading for so long it feets in with there lazy sheepish lifestyles.

# May 3, 2011 @ 11:46 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. brandedcfh420 writes:

not exactly bristowe, but thats how you see it!!

# May 3, 2011 @ 12:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. b.bristowe writes:

Career choices pal, schools available to anyone. Except the homeless.

Alex has probably worked his a$$ off to get where he is. The same can't be said for the nearly 50% of Americans who accept government hand outs.

# May 3, 2011 @ 12:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. coldiem writes:

I do share some of his sentiment towards the situation, more specifically towards the amount of work that goes into making a recording, but I'm pretty sure that the musician's life has NEVER been all that glamorous aside from a select few whose popularity has gone hog-wild.

I don't know why all these musicians are saying that it has become so bad in the last few years. The reality is that we are simply exposed to truckloads more material and most of it is from bands who are obscure or up and coming. Do you think I would just randomly pick up an "Alex Skolnick Trio" album off the shelf? And if I did so because I knew he was in Testament, I would probably be disappointed with what I was hearing unless I had a pretty open mind musically (Which I do, but that is besides the point).

OF COURSE the majority of musicians are going to have a rough go of life trying to rely on a musician's income. The majority of musicians are not popular enough. The majority of musicians are the exact opposite of popular. Take any industry out there, the majority of people working in it are barely getting by while a minority are getting rich, what's the difference? That's life.

Get real and stop blaming people who are coming to your shows and buying your t-shirts. THAT is where they make their money. Peoplw aren't likely to buy a $50 concert ticket and $45 t-shirt unless they've heard your music first. And they also aren't very likely to pay for said music unless they are absolutely sure they like it.

Musicians need to stop trying to pretend that album sales are putting food in their stomaches. Even in the 80s, before all of this "free" downloading, I doubt many bands were making a living off of album sales alone.

If you want to make money, create a product. If you want satisfaction, create art. It is nearly impossible to have your cake and eat it too. That is the paradox of the music industry. Not everyone can make living doing the things they enjoy. I sure wish I could.

# May 3, 2011 @ 12:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. KickAssDuke writes:

to b.bristowe

"The same can't be said for the nearly 50% of Americans who accept government hand outs."

Nice to be even close to accurate you ignorant degenerate. Try 8% of the US population receive welfare as a PORTION of their income. Even if you included Medicaid and Medicare the number is only 17%.

I know this is just a metal website thread so I wont put much credence into your statement but before you go around spouting those stats to your friends and neighbors you might want to do a 5 minute search and check the REAL facts. Also, stop trying to suck your own d***. You are not flexible enough and your d*** is just to small. You are going to end up hurting yourself and I don't think an injury sustained in that fashion will qualify you for permanent disability.

# May 3, 2011 @ 12:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. metalchris writes:

Saying it's ok to illegally download music from bigger bands as opposed to smaller ones is a weak argument. That's like saying since wal mart is the biggest retailer in the world, it's ok to steal a pair of jeans from them as opposed to some mall kiosk selling jeans. It's ok because they make a heap more money than the little guy. And yes, professional musicians chose this lifestyle and the pitfalls that come with it but bottom line: This is part of their livelihood. They make a product we pay for it. How many of you guys would do your job for free? Probably not many if any of you. You'd be equally p***ed if your boss decided to stop paying you. If you're p***ed about $20-$30 CD's, where the hell are you buying CD's from? I know places like FYE charge ridiculous amounts for CD's but buying used is an option if you look around Best Buy they have CD's that aren't too overpriced. Not all their selections are cheap but they're there. We can all agree the record industry is greedy and screwed up but what's right is right: No matter how big the band is or how small the band is, everybody derserves to get paid. We're not guaranteed to be completely satisfied with a musicians output but that's the risk we take. If money's too tight for you then don't spend the money. I'd like to have alot of things but can't afford it. That's life. If I can't afford a whole CD I'll buy a track from Amazon. But I pay for it.

# May 3, 2011 @ 1:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. BrianMN writes:

I will also add that I stopped downloading like a lot of people when the RIAA started suing. Nowadays I just wait for the album to appear on Youtube to determine if I actually want to spend the cash or not.
That's where a lot of bands are making a big mistake.
Let fans stream it first.
If it's a good product people will buy it.

# May 3, 2011 @ 1:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. heavy1 writes:

Both sides make good points but saying you paid for one good song on a bad cd is lame. Almost all store chains and even mom and pops buy or give credit for used cds and most let you listen before you buy.

# May 3, 2011 @ 2:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. brandedcfh420 writes:

"Career choices pal, schools available to anyone"

well, when americans have to pay a higher tuition fee than foreigners, it makes it harder for americans to go to school (college wise) these days! say what u will, it means nothing!

"The same can't be said for the nearly 50% of Americans who accept government hand outs."

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR NUMBERS FROM SINCE YOU KNOW THE EXACT PERCENTAGE!!??

# May 3, 2011 @ 2:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. WOLF7 writes:

BrianMN, music fans like you and I will, not so many people like us out there (around here sure, yes, but overall, no).
For so many out there the downloaded copy is the way to go. It's become such an every day thing to do that they don't think about it one bit.

They find it online, it's there, the complete album and for free? Click - downloaded.
So it goes, and nothing will change that now.

# May 3, 2011 @ 2:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. ZMA writes:

On a side not from this subject I loved Testaments new album.

Ok on with this BS. I do a mix of downloading and buying. I support bands I like, but if I find a band with only one good song I'm sure as hell not buying the entire cd for just one song.

I feel the internet is both good and bad for that reason. I mean if we didn't have the internets then illegal downloading probably wouldn't be a problem. But the interenet is good for sampling the music and deciding weather to buy or not. That's how I do it. I'll go on youtube and listen to a few songs off of whoever's album I want and if I like them I'll buy the album. But if only one song does it for me I'll just go and getting the one song.

It varies for everyone though because what one person might see as a good song, you might see as a useless filler.

Axel Rose is a good example of an artist who could literally give a sh!t less about his fans. He's just in it for the money. I hate people like Axel Rose. But I can relate to people like Alex because I know he cares about his fans. I've met him, and Chuck Billy, and they're nice guys. Massive illegal downloading does effect guys like them, because no one goes and buys their music anymore, which I think is worth spending like 10 bucks on it to support.

But these guys make decent money on live shows so it's not all bad.

# May 3, 2011 @ 4:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. thadeus writes:

writing,recording,and touring are all work.The man just wants to be paid for the work he has done.I think that's fair.I actually buy all my music still.

# May 3, 2011 @ 9:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. hellrat writes:

Skolnick is a frikken tool, always has been....I don't even care to elaborate

but will never forget him quittin TESTAMENT cause he'd 'outgrown' metal, wasn't cool enough for him anymore....pffft

Now look at him... on the frikken treadmill, goin nowhere...oh, and by god he's p***ed damnit!

Ha!

# May 4, 2011 @ 12:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. Greyback writes:

In a world where music these days is mostly filler, uninspired and generally crappy, he's got balls saying we should buy all music. Sure, the last album wasn't too bad, but honestly, his case really doesn't add up anyway. Most of the money you spend on CD's is going straight to the corporate record companies who make artists produce this sub-par music in the first place so it'll sell more, so it's no wonder people get mad, it's because of the record companies monopolizing music and making it mostly pointless and void of meaning. I'm talking in general here, of course there's some great music being written these days, but you get my point.
Honestly, if you want to help out the bands, buy concert tickets, get merch direct from them, and buy CD's from indi bands. Alex is such a toolbox. He should get his facts straight on where the money's in it for him before he gets all whiny. Most musicians don't get paid much anyway unless your Metallica/sellout, and most people get that. Plus, what's the point of b****ing about something you can't change? Music is getting into more people's hands, so more people should show up at the concerts, well, of course unless our gas prices keep skyrocketing or our government bans listening to music in public places.

# May 4, 2011 @ 7:00 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. FULLMETAL writes:

Putting in my 2 cents here...

First off...where I live, a metal CD has a snowball's chance in hell in making it to the music store shelf. You just dont get the stuff beyond established acts (Mettalica, Maide, etc...). So if you wanna look beyond the usual fare, downloading is the way to go....

Secondly, i'm still studying....dont have that kind of money to throw around ( of course, if i had the money, i would be doubly unsure to throw it around..:p).

I mean the few CD's i do have are best-of compilations....Jimi Hendrix, Clapton....and that was like 3 years before.

i respect Skolnick's opinion and all but really unless the album rips my head out.....i'm sticking with downloads....but hell i'll throw caution to the winds if they come for a show around here....

# May 4, 2011 @ 10:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. FULLMETAL writes:

@ 18: 'OUTGROW METAL'.......hah hah ha....thats a new one....LIKE THAT COULD EVER HAPPEN:)

# May 4, 2011 @ 10:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. hellrat writes:

^ya, obviously THAT 'phase' didn't last eh? Still glad TESTAMENT released their finest record without the fvckin punk...the Fvcking Gathering!! James Murphy is highly underrated, guy fvckin kicks ass

oh, and I like how Skudnick whines here about having to 'make ends meet' by doing session work, teaching, and as a hired live gun....isn't THAT 'making a living' off of music??? fvckin dipsh!t

be happy ya ain't shovelling sh!t, diggin ditches, or scrubbin p!ssers, ya goddamned prima donna fvckin Bee-ATCH!!

# May 4, 2011 @ 10:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. BrunoHockalugie writes:

The nerve of Skolnick to think people should pay for his work! I guess he did not get the memo that the majority people now believe they are entitled to free music, regardless of whether or not the artist has bills to pay, kids to feed etc

The excuse I usually hear from the entitlement crowd is, "Well, I saw them in concert four years ago and bought a t-shirt so I am owed their entire back catalog for free!"

# May 4, 2011 @ 11:58 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. b.bristowe writes:

"I do share some of his sentiment towards the situation, more specifically towards the amount of work that goes into making a recording, but I'm pretty sure that the musician's life has NEVER been all that glamorous aside from a select few whose popularity has gone hog-wild. "

This is exactly what everyone here should have read in the first place.

And as for "KickAssDude" #10, did you have anything to add to the topic? Or you be trollin' ? Just sayin'.

As for my comment, I didn't say a word about "welfare". I'm talking people scamming the government among other things. Either way, your Military Industry Complex is on its way out. Given the USD against anything today, I'll say... crash JULY 2011, China surpasses 2016? Anyway, keeps b****ing about taxes, and not Bernake.

# May 4, 2011 @ 12:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. Blindgreed1 writes:

Agreed with Bruno. Also, after reading the whole posting I believe it's important to point out that I don't believe Alex is trying to assign blame here. I think he's trying to say that things need to change and it starts with the people who are DL'ing his work for free.

# May 4, 2011 @ 12:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. hellrat writes:

Nah, I buy all my sh!t...am guilty of burning copies for others though...and I don't even know how to fvckin download, don't fvcking care to either

SO, neither Bruno or Blind have EVER obtained free music in some manner or form??? Valient soldiers for the cause eh?

Ha!

# May 4, 2011 @ 12:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. BrunoHockalugie writes:

Hellrat- I been to house parties where bands have played for free. If a band chooses to play for free, it is their choice.

I know you are old school Hellrat so you may not see the attitude of the youth today. Of course back in the day I would make mix tapes and what not, but that really pales when compared to the average 18 year old today who has 800 albums on his computer and has never paid for a single one.

# May 4, 2011 @ 1:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. R10 writes:

Any serious and honest discussion on downloading and stealing of ones art would have had to have happened 5 or more years ago. Probably a little late now .And i dont think small touring bands are maklng a living selling 15$ tshirts . Most venues take 10% venue fee :small bands are literally starving to death on the road .

# May 4, 2011 @ 1:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. hellrat writes:

I hear ya Bruno...you're right, I generally don't associate with them kids, the youth of today generally disgust me...

Also agree about music poaching...it is fundamentally WRONG, but their ain't a lot anyone can do to keep the opportinistic capalists from exploiting it, and the slackers from perpetuating the sh!t paradigm...

When some fvcking tool like Ulrich or Skolnick get up on their pony and take it upon themselves to b!tch and moan against the impossible/inevitable, it just comes off as a shoddy 'idealist' self promotion...especially when there are countless artists out there whom literally PAY to play, nevermind makin one lousy dollar at it

That is why I always told any Labels (including Metal Blade) that offered us one of their crappy contracts to fvcking stuff it! I got better things to do than be anyone's goddamned puppet, most especially at MY personal financial expense

Anyway, I know where you're comin from man, and I think you understand my take on the whole circus as well...

Cheers'

# May 4, 2011 @ 2:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. Blindgreed1 writes:

I've taken gifts, but NEVER downloaded anything from a pirate site in my life. I appriciate the artists that create the music they give us and regardless of who's to blame, I think it's important that the artist gets at least a little bit of my money for the purchase. As RTB pointed out, bands are litterally going out of business on tours these days. The money they're getting off the merch table fills the tank and hopefully their bellies before they get to the next stop. With gas prices continuing to rise, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see some previously annouced tours and line ups change or even cancel this summer.

# May 4, 2011 @ 2:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. ZMA writes:

I feel like the oddball out here. Everyone's talkin' about never downloading music but I download when there is only one good song I want. If I find an album I like I'll drop the money on it and support the band. I have almost 200 cds for that reason.

It's sad to see stuff like this happening to music though. Like Blind said with the rising gas prices and R10 said with the venues taking money away from the band. Stuff like this really does effect the music industry.
I wanna get into this industry and front a band and it's gonna suck if I can't even get out of the gate because of stuff like this.

# May 4, 2011 @ 4:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. hellrat writes:

Z---gitcha some bowl-cut helmet hair, some auto-pitch synth filters for yer vox, team up wif a black rapper and trick out all y'alls dance routine, and you should have no problem finding some pop-tart fart to write ya some cornball bubblegum material....then on through the Golden Gates you shall fly! Or was it Golden Arches?? can't remember...well, whateva :)

Seriously brother, just make the music you love, FOR the love...do the best you can to satisfy yourself as a musician, and don't have any expectations....you might be super talented, you might catch a break, you might rocket to the top of the frikken charts by virtue of your sheer genius and 'marketability'....but if not, you'll never be disappointed by doing it, just beacause you fvcking LOVE METAL!!

I certainly wish you all the good luck and best fortunes man, and that is the fvcking truth brother!

# May 4, 2011 @ 5:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. Blindgreed1 writes:

LMFAO "Pop-tart fart" classic HR right there!!!

# May 4, 2011 @ 6:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. ZMA writes:

Haha you have the best way of cheering people up HR.

But thanks man I appreciate it and I feel the same way. I wanna make music that I love. But at the same time I wanna spread it to other people. Not for the money, but if I make music that I love, I'd love to have others love it with me.
I've been honing my skills as a musician for a while to get out the music I hear in my head. Plus I don't wanna let the death growl vocals I've been working on for years go to waste heh heh.

# May 4, 2011 @ 6:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. Blindgreed1 writes:

ZMA: Welcome to the club young padawan.

# May 4, 2011 @ 6:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. deathbringer writes:

Well blow it out of proportion. I don't think he went on a rant against pirates and piracy by any means. He basically just asked his own fans now to download his music from (presumably illegaly) free download sites. I didn't hear him say he filed DMCA complaints against all those sites, condemn anyone to hell, etc. Sounds fair to me. With the industry in the shape it is today, artists SHOULD be telling their fans how they can support them. Although "pirate my music and buy my merch" probably won't win them any favors with their label - I'm sure they have to be P.C. about it.

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37. zMETALlica writes:

good viewpoint doug, personally i believe that the poor economy is hurting everyone. in addition to things so readily available. you can stream almost anything you want now legally or illegally online. we seriously need to get all the majors together and indies and every band out there to get on ONE site and payout some royalty system similar to radio. sure you may have to take a 1/10th-1/1000th cut in pay, but it will be made up by the fact that you'll get that much or more people listening to your songs, on top of that these people will still buy merch and deluxe editions of your album, which is where i think the money is: cashing in on the hardcore fans.

either way, most musicians i know are hard workers and fit music between their day jobs. if you are in metal (and not pop or something) then you should expect this. if you so happen to be lucky enough, like Alex, to live off of music, then maybe you should consider a career change.

also i don't think that downloading is hurting the industry at all, what is hurting it is the massive amount of over-saturation of the market. ANYONE can be a musician and create something out of their bedroom people can like. what makes you so special that you deserve to be paid per purchase? in a world where my 6 year old cousin can make a decent song in garage band that he got on his imac/ipad it really shows that you don't necessarily need that much talent. what you DO need is marketing, or have the fan leave your show with some feeling he can't get elsewhere... i'll end this rant now, but i'm glad there's a lot of real discussion on this article. also i'd like to mention that based on reading his blog, it's more along the lines of: more people need to buy CDs and show support than downloading it.

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Z---Yessir, make your music, and spread the METAL love, brother! I'm just saying don't set yourself up for disappointment by expecting to necessarily get a big paycheck for it

'Bringer--- "...artists SHOULD be telling their fans how they can support them"

I would think the way for 'fans' to support artists SHOULD be glaringly obvious, eh brother?

I still haven't met anyone quite stubbornly stupid enough to claim ignorance by insisting that stealing music isn't directly UNsupportive to the artist that created it...but maybe I'm just sheltered :)

I do see your point about educating audiences as to what sources are 'legit' or not

ZMet---sorry man, but I'm not sure I quite understand the entire scope of your 'rant' there bud

# May 4, 2011 @ 10:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. zMETALlica writes:

well what it comes down to hell rat is noone has proved that downloaded = lost sale as it does when you steal in a store. the only thing that HAS been proved is that it is illegal copyright infringement.

what i was getting at is there are many solutions and causes to the problem of noone buying music, no need to focus on downloading cause it's not going anywhere, it's the medium of the times, time to monetize it.

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40. deathbringer writes:

First, I meant "not," not "now" above.

Second, Zack, yes it's been proven that illegal downloading has impacted sales, but it's a small percentage as opposed to the "every download = a lost sale" crap the RIAA and labels would like you to believe. Ars Technica had a good article summarizing a study about it.

And on your proposal - the majors would never agree to what you propose. They fight tooth and nail for every last cent and revenue stream. Who would willingly cut their income to 1/10th or 1/100th of what it is/was? The shift to streaming services is doing that on its own and the labels are feeling it in their wallets.

# May 5, 2011 @ 11:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. coldiem writes:

I fear some (not all, I think) people may be missing the point I was trying to make. I am not trying to advocate downloading music or "stealing" revenue from musicians. The point I am trying to make is just because something should be a certain way doesn't mean it ever will be.

Unfortunately, things are the way they are and aren't liking to change anytime soon. I don't think that it is a good thing that small businesses everywhere are closing their doors to make way for more department stores. But the fact remains that it is happening and will continue to happen unless those businesses find their niche and thrive on that.

I work for one of those small business so I have first-hand experience with that particular situation. The reality is that it is simply sink or swim. Either embrace the changing of the tides or get sucked under and swept away.

The masses consume products by the truckload, but I doubt you'll be standing in line to make a purchase at the art gallery. Unless you are creating a consumable product you're just not going to make piles of money without getting extremely lucky.

Very few artists can make a living from only their paintings. Very few authors can make a living from only their writings. Most of them have day-jobs to put food on the table. Why would the music industry be any different?

# May 5, 2011 @ 2:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. EsotericSurgery writes:

I personally have downloaded many albums in my day...and because of those downloads I have discovered great artists and went out and bought their cd's and attended their shows etc afterwards.

If I paid for every cd I have listened to I'd be $20k+ in debt by now. I usually have to fork out $300-400+ to make a road trip off the island to make it to mainland BC for any shows as well. Being a music fan in this economic state is crushing. Every spare penny I have goes back to the artists' I feel deserve it the most. On the other hand...stealing is stealing. IMO this is an arguement that can go both ways. It's unfortunate...but I agree don't just blame poverty-stricken fans. There are always going to be mindless fvcks who just steal and don't care. The people who spend thousands of dollars on new vehicles and new things and then download albums can suck a fat d!ck. If I spent all my money on lavish items and still downloaded I would expect nothing less than to be spat on.

# May 5, 2011 @ 2:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. ZMA writes:

hellrat, Yea man I know I'm not expecting anything. I mean if I make some good money making music that I love that'd be awesome but if not it's whatever. I still wanna play.

Esoteric, Agreed.

Everyones made some great points. Good thread.

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44. zMETALlica writes:

doug: well i am saying at the very most 1/100th - i know the majors will never go for it that's what it isn't happening. I believe that the streaming sites will take over and somehow have better media player integration. As far as i see it if you can produce x amount of ads on a page and make it look pleasant, you'll easily be able to pay royalties and yourself. what it boils down to is if you are smart and can shift with the changing times, you can probably make more than you would have since technically every listen = $ vs a one time sale. and yes you are very right in the short term, but in the long run of a fan, it CAN be very beneficial. i'd say most of the music i listen to i bought because i heard it first, not because someone told me to buy it. i never hear new music on the radio, so that's out. whats left is last.fm and the like of today, of course 10 years ago none of this existed, so i relied on recommendations from strangers on Napster and downloading. of course most of what i downloaded wasn't RIAA stuff...

also great points esoteric. it has been proven that most of the downloaders are poor college students, High schoolers, and most other people without a stable expendable income.

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45. WOLF7 writes:

Well guys, we can debate this one forever and ever.
All I can say is, if you're a musician who's just found out your latest album has sold 2000 copies world wide while it's estimatedly been downloaded 20,000 times for free, you might be slightly... whats the word.. Annoyed?

# May 6, 2011 @ 3:31 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. ugh writes:

As an artist myself. I know where Alex is coming from. But he also needs to know the realities of todays music industry. Big labels, album sales, are a thing of the past. Have to get out and play shows, sell merch and hustle to survive...The biz is an ever-changing thing, adapt or die...

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47. ugh writes:

And...If your in the music biz to get rich? Your in the wrong place...

# May 6, 2011 @ 10:05 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. Blindgreed1 writes:

Once again Wolf and I are on the same page... Crazy huh?

# May 6, 2011 @ 11:37 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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49. BrunoHockalugie writes:

Post 45 FTW

# May 6, 2011 @ 12:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. EsotericSurgery writes:

So are we saying here that if we're not getting rich, we'd rather no one hear our work at all? Is music not first and foremost an expression of yourself? An art form? I realize some musicians have no other income, don't get me wrong I see the point being made...but personally if I were in a band I'd join to make music to express myself creatively. If people enjoyed it....sweet! If I get paid for it...even better. But first and foremost music should be done for the artists by the artists for their own fulfillment. If I painted a picture I enjoyed... I'd want people to see it...to share in it. I wouldn't keep it from everyone unless they gave me money to see it or replicate it. $0.02

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51. Blindgreed1 writes:

No ES, that's not what IM saying. In agreeing with Wolf's statement you have to take into account that 2000 copies sold wouldn't cover the cost of studio time, printing, URL licensing, distribution, etc. Thus in such an instance the artists (in today's music biz) would owe the record label for costs endured, knowing full well that had those other 20,000 interested listeners bought a CD or DL'd it legally they would at least be able to break even for their contribution. Getting rich is just not an option in todays music biz, but it sure would be nice to be able to put something out there without having to go out of pocket for it ya know?

# May 6, 2011 @ 3:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. EsotericSurgery writes:

Most definately brother... I hear ya loud and clear. I'd say there's a large enough percentage of fans who get all of their music / music news online...if I were in those shoes I might try an internet only release and skip all the bullsh!t entirely (labels, cd's, shipping, agents etc). Likely wouldn't make it nearly as big, but you never know. At least you'd keep your dignity and sanity.

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53. Blindgreed1 writes:

Yeah, there's a little tribute album out there that was done like that. ;-) Personally, I'm past the point of dealing with labels. We produce our own stuff. Out of pocket of course, but I don't have someone telling me what my music should sound like either.

# May 6, 2011 @ 3:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. EsotericSurgery writes:

I just remembered something relevant. Remember Radiohead's "In Rainbows" ? Maybe not, I'm not a fan either...but it turned out to be a success for them.

"but what makes "In Rainbows" important — easily the most important release in the recent history of the music business — are its record label and its retail price: there is none, and there is none.

In Rainbows will be released as a digital download available only via the band's web site, Radiohead.com. There's no label or distribution partner to cut into the band's profits — but then there may not be any profits. Drop In Rainbows' 15 songs into the online checkout basket and a question mark pops up where the price would normally be. Click it, and the prompt "It's Up To You" appears. Click again and it refreshes with the words "It's Really Up To You" — and really, it is. It's the first major album whose price is determined by what individual consumers want to pay for it. And it's perfectly acceptable to pay nothing at all."

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55. Blindgreed1 writes:

I just understand where Alex is comming from is all.

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56. Blindgreed1 writes:

That's interesting, i'd be intereted in seeing how it does.

# May 6, 2011 @ 3:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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57. EsotericSurgery writes:

Good to hear man. F'em all! Freedom of self is worth it IMO. \m/

# May 6, 2011 @ 3:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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58. EsotericSurgery writes:

As you requested:

"Turns out only a measly 38 percent of fans worldwide paid for the download of the album with 62 percent downloading it for free. 40 percent of US fans paid for the download compared to 36 percent of fans elsewhere.

The average price paid per download worldwide for the album was a repectable $6 (£2.90) although when you divide in the downloaders who chose to download the album for free this comes down to a tiny $2.26 (£1.07).

US fans were the most generous and forked out an average of $8.05 (£3.85), compared to the $4.64 (£2.22) anyone else in the world paid.

Of those who were willing to take out their card and pay, 17 percent paid under $4 (£1.90) although 12 percent did pay between $8 and $10 (£3.80 - £5.71) or roughly the price of an album on iTunes."

# May 6, 2011 @ 4:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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59. Blindgreed1 writes:

Wow, I never saw that comming. US fans dug into their pockets deeper than anyone else huh? Crazy.

# May 6, 2011 @ 4:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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60. hellrat writes:

Damnit Blind, you sandbagger! OF COURSE we contributed the most... we are, after all, the greatest fvckin people on this good Earth :)

Brother ES: I wouldn't be surprised at all if RH had received a Grant of some sort prior to making this "generous offer"...ya know, as a part of some or the other demographic 'social study'

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# May 6, 2011 @ 9:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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61. EsotericSurgery writes:

lmao HR, I don't think BG would agree with you about the majority of American's being the greatest people on this Earth. I also doubt Radiohead received any grants...it's called In Rainbows....queers like doing nice things for each other dude get with the times. ;)

# May 7, 2011 @ 3:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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62. hellrat writes:

HA HA! I fvckin love ya ES!!

And no....not in THAT way :)

# May 7, 2011 @ 11:20 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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63. R10 writes:

The saddest thing stemming from this issue is theres no longer any artist development from labels anymore. Testament was sighned to Atlantic in 86 as thier answer to Elektras Metallica . Everyone profited from the arrangement ,label,band,and fans. No it seems single songs are pushed,you need some cheesy pop song to make it now . I miss the old days. I agree with above poster who said theres an oversaturated glut of horrible bands,difficult to wade through them all .

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64. Supastan writes:

dont be a thief pay, for what u get, it doesnt matter who makes millions of of it, they worked for it f***ing pay them or shut up. how would u feel if people stole all the work u make a living off of. im sick of people b****ing about the money thats involved in the buiz. try before u buy is ok and the answer to everyones bullsh** excuse to "every cd only has one good song" f*** OFF!!! stop buying label made pop and u wont have that problem. remember folks try before u buy, just like u would any other form of entertainment, and the politely shut the f*** up

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65. WOLF7 writes:

Thanks BG and Bruno. I'm glad someone's on the same page with me on this one.

For some reason people still have this "got a record deal - you're wealthy" idea. And it couldn't be further from the truth.
In the 80s and maybe till mid 90s, some bands and artists were given absolutely ridiculous advances, or in some cases, just given money.
Not anymore. I bet 90% of the bands on this site never got a dime when they signed their deals, perhaps got maybe 10 or 20 grand to record the album, which will definitely go directly into the recording process, every penny of it.

So it goes now. Getting signed is not like winning the lottery, not anymore.

Hmm... as for the Americans being the greatest people on this earth... all I can say is "riiightt", in a Dr. Evil kind of way.

# May 8, 2011 @ 4:16 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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66. hellrat writes:

hmmm...nah, just plain ol blatant sarcasm there, wolf...

OF COURSE we all know that the mighty Finns are the absolute greatest folk on the planet :)

and hey! thanks for the reiteration of my earlier points, brother ;)

# May 8, 2011 @ 11:13 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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67. WOLF7 writes:

Riighhttt....

# May 9, 2011 @ 3:45 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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68. Blindgreed1 writes:

LMFAO, you people are the reason this site rules. All of ya.

# May 9, 2011 @ 11:53 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. hellrat writes:

^Nah, man....the reason this site rules is because its AMERICAN

even if we let foreign smart azzes intrude from time to time :)

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# May 9, 2011 @ 12:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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70. wilco writes:

branded normally i am with you
on your wise words of wisdom but this time you do a lot of bla bla bla
i am with alex stop with downloading
agree the record companys are to blame for all this sh**
but most of you know what i do think about downloading a bunch of thiefs who download

if you really like the music buy the cd so at least you support your fav band
and its more fun to have a cd in your hand and nowadays you get lots exstra anyway
so i am all they way with alex stop downloading

# May 9, 2011 @ 12:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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71. R10 writes:

Hey HR did you get my email? Actually all points on this issue i understand. Even the illegal downloaders,due to economics. I still miss the old days though ,were losing something we can never get back! Bands making a proper living releasing music we can buy. Guess ill have to adapt to the frees good mentality for sake of getting called an out of touch dinosauer!

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72. OlafBerzerker writes:

When i was a kid we used to buy a box of blank tapes and send em off to our friends in trade. Get the classics out there to be heard

# May 9, 2011 @ 4:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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73. R10 writes:

Yea Berzerker same here. All those Memorex@TDKs! Tape trading! Im pretty sure i cost Slayer;Testament ,etc a few cassette sales due to my old school dubbing! Hell i discovered so many bands that way .

# May 9, 2011 @ 4:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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74. R10 writes:

Hey Berzerker ,how come you dont hit up the hockey thread in the Forums? Hell its you alls sport,you should be adding your two cents .Even if you like the Leafs ,you should drop in and show support for the Bruins!

# May 9, 2011 @ 5:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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75. Diamond Oz writes:

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/15/interactive-infographic-of-the-worlds-best-countries.html

According to Newsweek, the Finnish actually are the greatest folk on the planet.

# May 9, 2011 @ 6:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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76. OlafBerzerker writes:

il check it out for sure R10. I havent really looked into the forums yet. Always love for the big bad Bruins and Van of course with a shout out to an old teammate in Nash. Ya R10 we used to get stuff from all over, alot of 7 inch etc and everything made its way to the yellow walkman. Nothing worse than putting together a nice mix only to have it chewed at a party that eve

# May 9, 2011 @ 6:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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77. Blindgreed1 writes:

LMFAO! You guys are too much man.

# May 9, 2011 @ 6:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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78. R10 writes:

Yea Berzerker,no Canadian representation in those threads and its sad because its your sport! Broons got a lot of good Canadian boys like Looch,Marchand,Goomba Nathan Horton etc. Sorry sound like Cherry,he coached the Broons when i started wacthing em .Oz :finnish folk,Korpiklaani! Good stuff ;seen em live .

# May 9, 2011 @ 6:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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79. hellrat writes:

Of course they are Oz, that's what I said :)

You guys know its just fun-poking don't ya? EVERY land has great folk, EVERY land has scumsuckers

What's news?

# May 9, 2011 @ 7:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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80. Diamond Oz writes:

Yeah I know man, just thought that would be a funny addition to the piss taking. To be honest though it can be hard to tell sometimes when you are being sarcastic, but it's all in good fun. No worries.

# May 9, 2011 @ 7:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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81. hellrat writes:

Well brother, I'm sorry about that...that's why I use stupid little smiley faces so much! there is one following my 'great americans' spray in post 60

So, apologies for any confusion about just how great we are over here :) :) :)

Gotcher email Big R...them were Nelsoni subspecies Desert Bighorn ya seen there at Mead...the big mature rams typically have very wide-flaring horns...fvckin awesome animals!!

# May 9, 2011 @ 7:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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82. R10 writes:

Yea HR those rams at Hoover Dam were a sight to see for this New Englander. The tour bus driver warned me about getting too close,he said them rams would charge .Np:Thunderstorms@Neon Signs/ Hank 111

# May 9, 2011 @ 8:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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83. WOLF7 writes:

Oh, the "best country in the world" issue...
Newsweek once again proved that drunken journalism is fun!
Surely they regretted it the next day, but hey, a fun night at the editorial anyway!

# May 10, 2011 @ 4:19 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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84. hellrat writes:

^ha! well, whatever you say there Doctor :)

Big R, that driver was likely just pullin your chain a bit...though when wild sheep have become highly habituated to nonthreatening human presence and begin to view people as part of their social structure, they might butt a person; I have been popped once by a ram at Grand Canyon, where the bighorn are virtually tame

Was running down Bright Angel trail and came upon a young 4-5 year old banana headed ram browsing on the drop-off side of the trail. There was no way to really go around him as it was too cliffy, so I was gonna have to pass that bugger within arms reach; I told that dude 'you stay there, and don't even THINK about pullin any of yer sheepy antics!' as he was lookin at me like he was sizing me up....anyway, I passed him and walked backward for a few yards to keep an eye on him. Well, soon as I turned back around "BAM!" he cracked me in the low back... I stumbled forward a few feet and luckily didn't stack it onto my face in the rocks...turned back to face him with the full intent of kicking that scrappy punk in the chops! but he already had his head c***ed and was giving me that evil sheepy eye, so I thought better of it and took off outta there... Little fvcker!!

My bio buddy at Game and Fish just brought 10 young rams up from Mexico to augment genetic variation in our NM herd, and he said his assistant opened the trailer and one of them buggers who'd been standing on the top of the wheel well came bouncing off of there and t-boned the guy square in the chest, knocking him on his ass!

there's a video floating around of some stupid lady gettin close to some rutting Rocky rams who are all clearly in dominance display, and them dudes work her over pretty good when she gets within a couple yards....you could probably find it on youtube

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# May 10, 2011 @ 1:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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85. R10 writes:

Speaking of dumb videos,HR its always funny when flat landers from NY or CT come up here and feed our dumb bullwinkles carrots. the moose might be one of the dumbest animals on earth! Our fish @game gives out free bumper stickers that say brake for moose,it could save your life! Thats the truth! Theyre hunted by lottery here,theyed be an easy kill for you HR! Moose aint bad eatin,lean but a little greasy. Not as good as venison . Saw the Grand Canyon too dude,was totally blown away!

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86. wilco writes:

i i thought it were the dutch

# May 10, 2011 @ 4:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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87. R10 writes:

Wilco,any one ever tell you u look like Hetfield? Seriously dude!

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88. hellrat writes:

ya R, moose probably shouldn't ever be accused of being the sharpest of marbles, and that perception of them is exacerbated by the fact that they ain't scared of nothin....but they still ain't as dumb as caribou, I've seen cattle that are spookier than them things!

nah, I'll only kill a moose if it is an absolute monster of the AK-Yukon variety...something with a 65"+ spread and broad paddles...would use bow as well. I like moose meat pretty well, but not as much as elk, bighorn or antelope...deer is ok

And ya, the Big Ditch is fvcking amazing! Have been probably 14-15 times (both rims) and down to the bottom probably half those trips...I fvckin HATE the Nat'l Park Service and try to avoid supporting them in any way, but some of the lands under their jurisdiction are some of the most incredible places on this good earth...but hell, I sneek into their parks most times anyway!

Hey! its our flying dutch brother, Wilco Hetfield! \m/

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89. R10 writes:

Hah HR,wilco the Dutch Hetfield! Even though he probably hates Metallica! Yeah dude,paid serious cash to take that 275mile one way trip to grand canyon,from Vegas! Well worth it! I saw it from 3 points,and i would have to say it was one of the most humbling experiances of my life! Makes Niagra Falls look water flowing over a curb on a sidewalk! Made me feel small HR!

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I know brother....fvcking amazing place. If you ever get back there, try to go to the North rim....its a whole different experience than the clusterfvck on the south side

Yosemite valley and Tuolomne meadows are frikken insane places as well

Oh, and the Big Trees...the Mighty Sequoias! Truly mind blowing!! Fvckin Redwoods are pretty sick as well

I gotta get back up your way in the autumn sometime to see the hardwood forests change....seen the pictures, need to experience firsthand!!

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Ill get out to Yosemite some day HR,also Lake Tahoe! Gods country! Aah our rock maples,oaks,etc in New England .Scenery in october is something else! Rockwell calender worthy! What amazed me most about the West,is the size of the states! Massive territorys!! Dinky little New England!

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And then there's Great Alaska...makes even texas look small !

NP---To tame a Land---Up the Fvcking IRONS!!!

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93. EsotericSurgery writes:

NP - Satyricon - Mother North \m/-_-\m/

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94. WOLF7 writes:

You combine James Hetfield's DNA with Jack Nicholson's, you get Wilco, except in the coolness department, where Wilco is in a class of his own.

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95. Blindgreed1 writes:

Wilco invented James Hetfield to distract attention away from his coolness.

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96. wilco writes:

thanks no only i need the money hetfield made with his awsome music
true i do love metallica but the older stuff

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True to that awesome music Metallica made 83 to 91 Wilco! And dude dont we all wish we had Hetfields money! Hell i wish i could collect royalties from Death Magnetic! And yea guy,your winning that Hetfield look a like contest hands down!

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Hetfield's share of the Death Magnetic period Metallica t-shirt sales would probably set us financially for life.
Crazy world we live in...

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99. wilco writes:

damm right their shirts are to expensive did buy a shirt
fo 40 us

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