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Australian Church Arsonist Blames Norwegian Black Metal Hero

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Australia's TheAge.com.au is reporting that a devoted follower of a Scandinavian band notorious for its heavy metal anti-Christian music burnt down a majestic Moonee Ponds church in a multimillion-dollar arson attack.

Novak Majstorovic (photo) had drunken visions of the 107-year-old Ascot Vale Uniting Church being responsible for society's problems with law, ethics and morality.

Majstorovic, 19, admitted his passion for the band BURZUM, whose lead singer was allegedly involved in burning down numerous Norwegian churches in the 1990s, helped create a heavy metal ideological imagery based on good and evil.

"It can be explained through any real meanings, you know, but using God and Satan is just like a... it's an image," he told police after his arrest.

Victorian arson squad detectives treated Majstorovic as a suspect after investigations revealed his interest in BURZUM and "black metal" music and culture.

Police learnt the band's lead singer Varg Vikernes, now in jail for murder, was commonly referred to as a Satanist, but was regarded more as deeply anti-Christian and anti-Semitic.

Majstorovic on Wednesday (May 4) appeared in the Melbourne Magistrates Court to plead guilty to arson and burglary from the fire in Maribyrnong Road, Moonee Ponds, on August 29, 2004.

His lawyer Shannon Dellamarta said the damage was valued at more than $3 million.

In a summary tendered to the court, the church, widely used by its local community, was described as majestic and ornate. Its irreplaceable pipe organ and historic records were destroyed in the fire.

Majstorovic, who had drunk half a bottle of bourbon, had earlier left a party, telling guests he was going to burn the church. After entering, he lit Bibles, scrap paper, books and flags near the pulpit and left.

Asked days later by Detective Sergeant Andrew Kerr if he considered the elderly who had cried over the church or what it had stood for, Majstorovic replied: "It was what it stood for, but it's... it's just an object, you know. It's just a building. Faith lies with the individual."

Pressed by Sergeant Kerr about it being sacred and a "heart and soul of things", he said that the church "doesn't like people to cling to any sort of idols here on earth".

Majstorovic said that because he was drunk and near a church he thought he would act on an ideological belief the church was responsible for society's problems.

"A lot of the concepts of my ideologies and stuff would, sort of, stem from heavy metal, from the imagery of heavy metal, from the metaphors that heavy metal uses with the, like, Christian sort of metaphors of good and evil and such," he said.

Magistrate Lisa Hannan bailed Majstorovic, of Hoppers Crossing, to appear in the County Court on August 23.

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1. volatile writes:

f*****g idiot !! some people take lyrics too seriously.

# May 6, 2005 @ 7:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. Amd writes:

He wasn't following any specific lyrics that told him to burn down the church. It's all about freedom of expression. It's not like the church can't afford to rebuild, not that they should, if there's one thing Australia doesn't need, it's more churches!

# May 7, 2005 @ 9:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. BLACKDOG writes:

The DEVIL made me do it !! f***ing Idiot !!! life is entirely too short to waste on this kinda bullsh**.It's better to be a fanboy b**** outside of prison than someone's prison b**** in prison.

# May 7, 2005 @ 10:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Anarkist writes:

So what, he burned down a church. The catholic church is responsible for some of the biggest attrocities of all time...((forcing their beliefs -(which are blatantly plagiarised from a long list of other "religions" and stories) onto others)) eg. the crusades. I'm no buddhist, but call it Karma

# May 8, 2005 @ 1:29 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. maidenhead22 writes:

There is no god,so what the f*** is it worth talkin ya guys' sh**?f***in deep throaters.

# May 8, 2005 @ 4:00 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Novak Majstorovic writes:

The Age article is biased. As loser posers you people should understand that the media is biased. You may notice that at no point was I quoted as saying Varg Vikernes (ie ONE MAN band Burzum) told me to do anything. I did of my own accord. The devil did not make me do it either, because Satanism is for wankers. I don't believe in Christianity, so how can I believe in a christian invention known as the devil? I thank those posts who have semi-supported my view

# May 8, 2005 @ 10:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. BLACKDOG writes:

Even if it is you which I doubt.Your still a f***ing IDIOT !!! Who the f*** are you to burn down a church as a statement.What if their were people inside.Seriously what kind of f***-UP ARE YOU !!!!

# May 8, 2005 @ 11:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. chunk writes:

seriously, if there were people inside, then they deserve to die......., but novak is a f*** up for being caught out.

# May 9, 2005 @ 12:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. chunk writes:

or he wanted to get caught, which makes him a poser p***y

# May 9, 2005 @ 12:12 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. brokenwings13 writes:

Why burn a church down? Just for some statement, get a dam piece of paper and publish it, get a blog, I don't care, just let the people worship.

# May 9, 2005 @ 12:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. DEADMETAL writes:

posts 2,4,5,6,8 are all written by dumbfukk idiots .... think of something that you love and cherish ... now i'm gonna come burn it or rape it or kill it because i feel like it and "the imagery" that is in my head from metal music .... its FUKKING retarded ... if you defend this piece of sh** then you are just as worthless as him and i hope you rot in hell

# May 9, 2005 @ 2:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. DEADMETAL writes:

oh, i forgot post 9 too .... rot in hell

# May 9, 2005 @ 3:01 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. DEADMETAL writes:

*punts the dog over the bridge*

*walking away*

"That's How I Roll" .....

"Baxter, my dear Baxter! ... No!" .........

# May 9, 2005 @ 3:04 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. Desolitary writes:

"think of something that you love and cherish ... now i'm gonna come burn it or rape it or kill it because i feel like it and "the imagery" that is in my head from metal music .... its FUKKING retarded ... if you defend this piece of sh** then you are just as worthless as him and i hope you rot in hell"

Think of the last steak you ate, the group of cows that had befriended your meal really would have appreciated it if that piece of chewed up meat in your overfed mouth had remained animated, or last pair of shoes you bought that originated in a Taiwanese sweatshop, the five year old gook that was stitching those up would have really liked to have had the opportunity to exist in a non factory environment, who is innocent in this world? Realize that the only reason you are displaying this putrid bout of self righteous anger is because you are a narrow minded fool that thinks he knows exactly whats right and whats wrong and argues for consistancy but cannot see the contradictions of his own existence.

# May 9, 2005 @ 6:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Novak Majstorovic writes:

If you bother to read, I went inside the church. No one was inside. you f***ing idiots. what if this, what if that, what if the second coming of christ came? what if system of a down tickets went on sale? what if they cancelled and u didn't get a refund?

"Just for some statement, get a dam piece of paper and publish it, get a blog"

Are people going to read a blog or paper? can u people actually read properly?

"but novak is a f*** up for being caught out.
or he wanted to get caught, which makes him a poser p***y"

u fukwit. me a poser? for standing for my beliefs? u are a fuking poser. And how is it my fault that i got caught by the pigs? some b**** named amanda called the pigs on me. and im a fuk for that? that makes me a poser? i wanted amanda 2 call the cops? perhaps u should stop, think of what your thinking, though because of ur minute brain capacity that may take a while and ask ur nurse at the mental home to write something sensible.

# May 9, 2005 @ 7:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. chunk writes:

"some b**** named amanda called the pigs on me" - haha wat a lameass
ur a complete fuking moron mate. dig a hole and dive in it u p***y

deadmetal - I'll burn UR fukn house down and fuk ur sister. don't even pretend u go moral u fukn hypocrite.

Get stuffed u tosser

# May 9, 2005 @ 10:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Novak Majstorovic writes:

Chunk as in chunky - metal is chunky. campbells soup is chunky? my turds have chunks in them? im a lameass bcoz sum slag called the cops? please fukin explain chunk. im a complete fukin moron? i didn't have to repeat primary school 3 times chunky, im not the one whose father tricked his child into sukin his cok by callin it a lolly pop? up urs chunky and come up with some sort of seblance of an arguement

# May 9, 2005 @ 11:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. departure666 writes:


chill out chunk, post 14 has already buried the self-righteous jerkoff.

well done, desolitary. bury that c***sucker with his own shovel.

# May 9, 2005 @ 11:08 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. trippedoubt writes:

you accuse others of having a minute brain capacity? dude, you're the guy who told people that he was going to set fire to a church, if you'd said nothing, the dumb whore wouldn't have been able to rat on thee.

# May 9, 2005 @ 11:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. becka writes:

well he was drunk....

# May 9, 2005 @ 11:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. BLACKDOG writes:

OK Novak explaine your view.Why does someone else have to suffer because of it.I'm still not convinced by the way.People watch the new's read paper's and come to this blog all day everyday.So get it off your chest AMAZE ME!!!!

# May 10, 2005 @ 12:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. Novak writes:

I never said that. you may notice in the article that I was never quoted as saying that. The entire article is full of krap. that chik called the cops as a joke and she happened to get ot right. she said 5 other guys did it 2.

# May 10, 2005 @ 1:39 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. DEADMETAL writes:

I'M FUKKING BACK YOU YOU FUKKING WORTHLESS ROTTEN FUKKING SCUMBAG EXCUSE FOR HUMAN LIFE BIT CH MOTHERFUKKING c*** RAG DI CKLESS FUKKING p***y FAGS ..... ANYBODY THAT DEFENDS THIS GUY IS DIKKLESS .... TO POST 14, YOU ARE THE MOST IGNORANT PIECE OF BRAINLESS SH IT THAT EVER EXISTED .... MINE WAS AN EXAMPLE, AND YOU NOTICE HOW YOU GOT SO p***ed OFF? YOU GOT p***ed OFF AT MY EXAMPLE, REMEMBER MY EXAMPLE WAS JUST WORDS, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO DEFEND THIS FAG FUKK THAT ACTUALLY DID THAT! YOU ARE THE ESSENCE OF IGNORANCE, POSTS 15 -18 ARE ALL DIKKLESS LITTLE b****ES I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL WITH THE FAG FUKKTHAT IS IN JAIL.

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24. DEADMETAL writes:

the "contradictions of my existence" are in the false interpretation of my post as something that was actually gonna happen .... and it set you fukking piece of sh** bi tches off like a bunch of whiny little fag boys getting stuck in the a$$ by your dad .... and its exactly what this fukking brainless scumbag did, in real life, to real people .... he went and burned down a historic property worth millions of dollars .... you are all scum if you defend him .... ROT IN HELL YOPU FUKKING TRASH

# May 10, 2005 @ 2:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. DEADMETAL writes:

desolitary is a fagget a$$ homo .... did this guy drop hot loads all over your face as he professed his hatred for christianity? ..... or did he poke you in the a$$hole with a pitchfork while he professed his love for the devil? .... DESOLITARY IS A BRAINLESS CO CK LOVING HOMO

# May 10, 2005 @ 2:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. i agree writes:

those guys up there suck

# May 10, 2005 @ 2:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. Comrade_Potato writes:

Jesus (who i dont believe), i hate it when i see headlines like "Recent Murder IInflunced by Heavy Metal" or "Gothic Satan Worshipper Kills 6 in School Shooting" because, where is the "Rapist Influnced by Gansta Rap" or "Teen Suicide Caused by Emo-Punk" .... HRMM?! ... they just single out metal because its different. And because they portray as if you listen to one metal song, your a pyscho about to kill and murder all.

I think the media shouldnt give satanism a bad rep, this is AMERICA, people came here to worship their religions however they wish yet, if your not chirstian, you get really no-where. Satanism is just another religion that we need to accept. RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOR SATANIST.

# May 10, 2005 @ 3:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. Novak writes:

DEADMETAL you have serious issues
"POST 14, YOU ARE THE MOST IGNORANT PIECE OF BRAINLESS SH IT THAT EVER EXISTED .... MINE WAS AN EXAMPLE, AND YOU NOTICE HOW YOU GOT SO p***ed OFF? YOU GOT p***ed OFF AT MY EXAMPLE, REMEMBER MY EXAMPLE WAS JUST WORDS"

Please explain, you have an example?

I am no satanist, because as I don't believe in Christianity, how can I believe ina christian invention, the devil? swear and abuse ur way out of that one DeadMetal.

# May 10, 2005 @ 7:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. DEADMETAL writes:

"think of something that you love and cherish ... now i'm gonna come burn it or rape it or kill it because i feel like it and "the imagery" that is in my head from metal music"

THAT WAS MY EXAMPLE YOU BRAINLESS FAG FUKK .... ALL YOU CO CK SUCKING FAGS THAT DEFENDED THIS GUY GOT SO MAD CUZ I SAID I WAS GONNA DO THAT sh**! YOU FUKKING HOMOS DON'T EVEN REALIZE THAT HE ACTUALLY DID DESTROY A PROPERTY WORTH MILLIONS AND THEN CLAIMED THAT A METAL BAND MADE HIM DO IT!

ARE YOU FUKKING KIDDING ME?! HE ACN'T EVEN STAND UP FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS, INSTEAD HE COWERED LIKE A LIITLE b**** AND DECIDED TO BLAME SOMEONE!

I DON'T GIVE A f*** ABOUT CHRISTIANITY EITHER YOU BRAINLESS FUKK .... I NEVER SAID I DID! THIS ISN"T ABOUT HIM BURNING DOWN A CHURCH ... ITS ABOUT HIM DESTROYING SOMETHING THAT WAS CHERISHED BY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND HE BLAMES SOMEONE ELSE FOR IT ....

ANY MORE BRAINLESS FUKKS OUT THERE THAT WANNA DEFEND THIS GUY?

# May 10, 2005 @ 7:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. DEADMETAL writes:

also to post 27 ... this isnt a matter of the media blaming metal music for something that happened .... this is a matter of the guy who did it actually claiming on his own that metal music made him do it! .... not the press! it was his own confession! ...... THATS EVEN MORE ABSURD THAN THE MEDIA CLAIMING IT WAS METAL .... IT WAS THE GUY WHO CLAIMED ALL THIS BULLsh**

# May 10, 2005 @ 7:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. DEADMETAL writes:

THIS IS THE TYPE OF sh** THAT GIVES ALL OF US METAL FANS A BAD NAME ..... SOMEONE CLAIMING THAT THE MUSIC MADE THEM DO IT .... NOT THE MEDIA, NA ACTUAL METAL FAN

# May 10, 2005 @ 7:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. christian hater writes:

i hate christians and i hate this guy too

# May 10, 2005 @ 10:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. christian hater writes:

he burned down a church for no reason other than being drunk. that is stupid.

# May 10, 2005 @ 10:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. Novak writes:

I am standing up for my own actions you fool. Im just making the point that i did not tell the pink shirt wearing metrosexuals at the party I was leaving that I was going to burn down a church u muthafuka. some chick kalled the kops with 5 names as a joke. i was one of those 5 names.

"this is a matter of the guy who did it actually claiming on his own that metal music made him do it! .... not the press! it was his own confession!" (dead metal quote)

No where in the article do I claim anything of the sort.
(Australian) "Church Arsonist Blames Norwegian Black Metal Hero" is a snappy title. if you knew anything about the papers u would know that headings are what grabs people's attention. No where in the article is this heading backed up. I am not quoted as saying anything of the sort. get ur fukin facts rite.

# May 10, 2005 @ 10:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. bradispissed writes:

you'll never see this type of uprising with the conservatives who bombed that abortion clinic


as lame as this sounds, what the count did was an expression of his beliefs through art. i don't support it but what can you do...


except LAUGH!!!!! ahahahahahahah f*** f*** f***ity f*** f*** f***

# May 10, 2005 @ 10:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. Novak writes:

"Christain Hater: I hate christians and I hate this guy too"

That's nice. I dont like you either, koz ur a fuk. Ur name is christian hater, meaning u hate christians and what they stand for. ur comment contradicts this, i did something that christians hate, i stood up 4 myself, i changed the matter of their place of worship from brik 2 ash. u are a turd. if u were a true christian hater u would do something about it, u would stand up for ur beliefs instead of masterbatin 2 barney the dinosaur

# May 10, 2005 @ 10:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. Novak writes:

"you'll never see this type of uprising with the conservatives who bombed that abortion clinic"

Exactly, they were standing up for their christian beliefs that it is wrong 2 scrape a fetus out of a uterus

# May 10, 2005 @ 10:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. 0 writes:

"A lot of the concepts of my ideologies and stuff would, sort of, stem from heavy metal, from the imagery of heavy metal, from the metaphors that heavy metal uses with the, like, Christian sort of metaphors of good and evil and such," he said.

THAT'S A QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE!!! THERE IS THE FUKKING QUOTE YOU CLAIMED DIDN'T EXIST! YOU BRAINLESS RETARD FUKK!

I DON'T BELEIVE THAT YOU ARE IN FACT THE ARSONIST<; JUST A LAME IMPERSONATOR. IF YOU ARE: SUKK A DIKK AND I HOPe THEY FUKK YOUR FACE REAL HARD YOU FAG CO CK LOVING PRISON B ITCH HOMO

# May 10, 2005 @ 10:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. DEADMETAL writes:

the post above was made by me just to clarify you fag fukk

# May 10, 2005 @ 10:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. BLACKDOG writes:

TATER get over it !!! I'm with Dead and O on this.ultimately all your really saying is I FELT LIKE IT !!! That's self seving BULLsh** ! You need to get over yourself.In the meantime enjoy the prison sex .

# May 10, 2005 @ 11:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. BLACKDOG writes:

missed that one.

# May 10, 2005 @ 11:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. chunk writes:

I am all for church burning, it's a useless structure really. what's the fuking big deal. It's good that this dipsh** did it.

Deadmetal ur the type of p***y i fukn hate so much,

hope u nd ur family all die in a church fire sumday
that'll b a lovely day.

keep the sh** coming u blowhole
u got a lifetime's supply of it

# May 11, 2005 @ 12:00 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. DEADMETAL writes:

the only time you'll ever find me in a church is when i show up to celebrate your funeral you fag fukk ....

if you're all for church burning then go do it you scared little b**** .... ur just a p***y coward version of the dumb fukk that is in jail.

i dont give two fukks if it was a church, a house, a f***ing barn ....

Post 42, "I am all for church burning" ....

Well i am all for slow torturing any brainless fag fukk that supports this guy.

# May 11, 2005 @ 1:19 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. chunk writes:


f***in hell, whinging like that u must b a girl.

if u r, that's cool. I didn't mean to wire u up.

Hit the dildo and release some tension

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45. DEADMETAL writes:

ok ... this is not going to digress into lame little 4 year old insults.

i know you are but what am i? ......

its quite ok, i just "released some tension" on your mom's corpse ....

HAHA! Lame .....

The best you could do is call me a girl? .....

Grow a brain dikk face ....

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46. areyousancho? writes:

woah cool. im from altona, but have many friends in hoppers. where abouts in hoppers are you? my mates live near hoppers scondary, kinda close to the gym..

# May 11, 2005 @ 6:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. novak's new boyfriend writes:

novak told me to come post here and tell everybody how tasty his a$$hole is. Its kinda loose from years worth of taking it up the a$$ from his dad but its just so damn tasty! he's got a small dikk though so i let him please me orally in the shower because he's too small to please me if you know what i'm saying. i'm glad he's here and i look forward to years of pounding that a$$hole. be nice everybody.

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48. DEADMETAL writes:

ok ....... but make sure to be real nice to novak's a$$hole too cuz its gonna yours to pound for a lot of years! i hope you both rot in hell.

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49. BLACKDOG writes:

DISGUSTING..........GONNA VOM !!!!

# May 11, 2005 @ 11:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. sancho writes:

I am Sancho.

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51. GHT writes:

BY THE WAY, IM AN a$$ RAMMING UNCLE f***ER:)

# May 12, 2005 @ 8:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. ted writes:

post 51, you are sick no one needs to hear that. and DEADMETAL, you are an a$$hole you f***ing queer idiotic dumbass, get a life c***sucker.

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53. DEADMETAL writes:

to ted. BLOW ME you fag fukk .... can i at least get a reason .... i'm guessing you're on of those brainless moron fukks that are supporting this guy ..... go f*** a donkey you fag fukk .....

# May 12, 2005 @ 4:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. Dave writes:

All you people out there that are trying to (in a really mature way i must add) put Novak down are not convincing anyone. If any you had the guts and beliefs that he does you'd all be better people, whether others share your beliefs or not. I can't believe that there are so many ignorant people out there that will believe anything the media puts out there. i know it's been said so many times before, and it's quite the cliche, but c'mon, varg - media - headlines. That whole case was totally blown out of proportion by the f***ing media! it's them to blame for him serving a ridiculous sentence for the so called "crimes" he committed. so he burned a few sacred buildings down, they were only sacred to a cult that is responsible for killing his family! (ancestors) And he killed a "man" that was going to kill him anyway! i know so many of you self proclaimed "experts" out there will right some really intelligent fu!@!king co%k sucker type message, but the fact is Novak did something he believed in... And he's a better man for it! good on you brother!

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55. DEADMETAL writes:

what a lame story ..... dave you are just as worthless as the dumb fukk that burned down the buildings .... you know how asanine your post was right? ... its like a black man killing a white man and then claiming that he was avenging the slavery that his ancestors were put through .... so its ok ..... YOU FUKKING IDIOT PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS! its NOT OK! Novak is going to rot in hell!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

# May 13, 2005 @ 4:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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56. deshieldstim@yahoo.com writes:

what the f u c k there blaming it on the music. stupid a$$ holes its like a nother columbine

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57. deshieldstim@yahoo.com writes:

another

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58. Dave writes:

And there it is... Congratulations Deadmetal. It's nothing like a black man killing a white man. No one was actually hurt here. It was just a building that got burned down. I'm not condoling arson or murder, sure it is against the law but who's to say if it was truely right or wrong. deffinatley not us! If you believe in something, to you it is right. Obviously you're a very intelligent person deadmetal, i'm sure so many people will be convinced by your intellictual use of curse words. Personally i don't believe there's a heaven or hell so i don't believe anyone will be rotting there. Got to agree with you deshieldstim, i'm sure there's many more killings and arson attacks done by people that don't listen to "heavy metal", but if they do, the good old media will have a field day with it!

# May 13, 2005 @ 8:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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59. DEADMETAL writes:

he's the one that claimed that the music made him do it ... not the media ... we already went through this about 20 posts ago .... HE IS GIVING METAL FANS A BAD NAME BY CLAIMING THE MUSIC MADE HIM DO IT ... not the mesia .... AND I DO CUSS ALOT .... because thats how you have to speak to ignorant dumbfukk half retarded white trah fukkers that don't understand sh** except for burnin' down sh** and other acts committed by the brainless fools that you associate with ....

# May 13, 2005 @ 8:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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60. Dave writes:

wo, hang on dead. where did he say that it was the music, or lyrics that made him do it?! Get your facts right man, you're obviously confused... For the record I'm not white, and i don't associate with anyone that has ever burned down a church or any building for that matter. I'm deffinatley not ignorant, as i'm more than willing to listen to and figure out for myself what to believe, not just believe what ever is written in the media...like some! I think everyone that reads this thread can tell who the ignorant one is... Novak isn't giving anyone a bad name except himself, (and only a bad name to people like you, so that doesn't matter), ignorant childish people like you who can't talk sensibly about anything and have to resort to swearing like a 10 year old, fullfulling the stereotypical role of an angry disfunctional metal head, are the ones giving metal fans a bad reputation! really, deadmetal (good name by the way), wake up and realise that it's people like you with such arrogant, angry, and childish views/oppinions that are causing the media to give us metal fans a bad reputation in the first place. Keep it up!

# May 13, 2005 @ 9:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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61. sancho writes:

"A lot of the concepts of my ideologies and stuff would, sort of, stem from heavy metal, from the imagery of heavy metal, from the metaphors that heavy metal uses with the, like, Christian sort of metaphors of good and evil and such," he said.
Looks like a quote to me Dave. Novak himself could clear this up, as to whether he said it or not and what context it was in... But it does seem like he was saying he was influenced by metal. Maybe 'metal' didnt exatly TELL him "hey go burn down the church" but by that quote it seems as though it made a contribution.
Novak has no right to burn down anything that belongs to someone else, whether it be a church, a house, a car or a plastic santa statue infront of a house during Christmas. Yeah, it's messed up the media makes it out that it was all metal and Varg's fault, but he shouldn't have done it in the first place.

# May 14, 2005 @ 12:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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62. Dave writes:

i can see where people might get the idea that Novak said that, but certainly when you read that you can see no referance to burning down a church! "A lot of my concepts.....sort of...." The fact is that he didn't say that he did it because of music, heavy metal, or varg for that matter. It might not be his right to burn down a church, but my point remains that he was doing something that he believes in, and to him and others that share the same beliefs, he was right. and i hope that your last sentence there sancho isn't implying that Varg shouldn't have done what he did! Cause that would just flare up a whole other "debate" because I and a lot of other people out there know a lot more to do with that situation than we do this one.

# May 14, 2005 @ 12:57 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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63. brokenwings13 writes:

Here's what you do, take the quote, stick the whole quote in Google and hit search. It'll give you something.

# May 14, 2005 @ 1:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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64. DAVE writes:

again, we've all read the article, from the biasd media. nowhere does he admit to doing it because of what the music/lyrics told him... He does admitt however to being a fan of Burzum! and who isn't!

# May 14, 2005 @ 1:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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65. DEADMETAL writes:

.... lame .....

# May 14, 2005 @ 3:15 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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66. GHT writes:

i know you are, you said you are, but what am i?

# May 14, 2005 @ 10:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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67. BLACKDOG writes:

This is getting rediculous.

# May 14, 2005 @ 10:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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68. brokenwings13 writes:

I agree. What now?

Anyone hear about that runaway bride chick in Georgia?

# May 14, 2005 @ 11:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. BLACKDOG writes:

She need's help if not a good kick in the ass.

# May 14, 2005 @ 11:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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70. novak writes:

" from the imagery of heavy metal"

exactly 0. imagry, the underlying philosophies of heavy metal, not the music itself, otherwise following urs and every body else's logical conclusion, if i did it because the music told me, why don't i do other things music tells me 2 like kill people or rape b****es? after fuking up every body's main arguement against me, ill replave it is with a quenstion: does this new information that was already there but i've made it obvious mean that i was acting under my own free will? answer: YES

# May 15, 2005 @ 7:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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71. novak writes:

areyousancho: i live between hoppers secondary and the station

# May 15, 2005 @ 7:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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72. Novak writes:

Deadmetal" Novak is going to rot in hell". You fool i don't believe in hell, how am i going to rot in it? And don't u b**** on about metaphors and euphemisms for it shall do you no good. U believe I am a fool and

# May 15, 2005 @ 10:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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73. nOVAK writes:

(CONTINUED FROM POST 72) you believe i shall suffer some divine retribution. that's ur opinion, food for you, idiotic as it is, it reflects ur personality. I do not believe in devine retribution. One of the reasons u are verbally abusing me with sh**s and f***s is because u are acting on your beliefs. I was acting on my beliefs when I changed the physical matter of that church. The only difference is that u are using words, while I used action

# May 15, 2005 @ 10:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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74. novak writes:

what the f u c k there blaming it on the music. stupid a$$ holes its like a nother columbine. what was wrong with colombine? these kids were getting blted and beat up at school. so they stood up for themselves. It had nothing to do with music, that was just the opinion many conservative americans jumped to. i will concede that metal does advocate standing up for your beliefs, standing up for urself, not turning the other cheek like in christianity. that is the only similarity between the columbine kids and metal. no where in marylim manson does he say kill those bullies who for years have been tormenting you and making your life a living hell. all those teeny bopper b****es going on about those guys were wierd and those guys wore blak are the same barbies who whored themslevs to the jocks. They are wasting my oxygen, as will their children that they forgot to have aborted like all the others and should have been shot also

# May 15, 2005 @ 11:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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75. Novak writes:

"we already went through this about 20 posts ago" (deadmetal, 2005)
we did u douche and the concensus was that metal did not make me burn down a church in ascot vale. I did not do it for varg, i do not masterbate to varg. I will make it clear one more time music did not tell me to do anything. Otherwise hy stop at churches? music tells me to do alot of sh**, it tells everyone.

# May 15, 2005 @ 11:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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76. brokenwings13's child cumrag writes:

what happened in georgia? im from ascot vale australia so I don't here america news

# May 16, 2005 @ 12:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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77. Desolitary writes:

'OK Novak explaine your view.Why does someone else have to suffer because of it.I'm still not convinced by the way.People watch the new's read paper's and come to this blog all day everyday.So get it off your chest AMAZE ME!!!!'

Google my name and browse through some of the forums that have the age article as a thread.

'think of something that you love and cherish ... now i'm gonna come burn it or rape it or kill it because i feel like it and "the imagery" that is in my head from metal music'

I didn't think that you were actually going to do what you wrote man. What I meant with my response is that suffering is a necessary part of life, rejecting hardship is a completely Christian invention that contradicts the fact that life is sustained by death and destruction. To pretend that there is some sort of moral loophole by which we can absolve ourselves of any wrongdoing, to simply ignore the fact that we kill in order to live is backwards. You may argue that I did not need to destroy that church in order to live, to that I say that it did not need to be created in order to sustain life; That church was built on caprice and pig headed calousness and it exits from this world in a likewise fashion, ashes to ashes.

'if you're all for church burning then go do it you scared little b**** .... ur just a p***y coward version of the dumb fukk that is in jail.'

So, it's wrong to burn down a church on the basis of ideals but it's right to do it in response to your taunts of 'chicken' 'chicken'?

'A lot of the concepts of my ideologies and stuff would, sort of, stem from heavy metal, from the imagery of heavy metal, from the metaphors that heavy metal uses with the, like, Christian sort of metaphors of good and evil and such.'

I'm surprised that nobody has brought in a Clueless refference in relation to this.

The key word here is metaphor, as in, my ideologies can be expressed in a fluent manner through the symbols, and underlying values, of Christian metaphors. I mentioned heavy metal because heavy metal shares these metaphors, it uses anti-christian symbols that stem from the Christian mythology to express it's opposition to Christian values. It would be dellusional for me to say that this expression of my beliefs wasn't influenced at least in part by Christianity and Heavy Metal, just as it would be dellusional for one to say that his ability to write in english was not influenced, at least in part, by the dictionary. But who would say that they write all of their letters and essays in honor of Sammuel Johnson? Newspapers want to imply that I am a mindless servant of Varg and of metal because it flatters short sighted people like Deadmetal who will buy their newspaper, and because it gives most people who believe it an easy enemy, which in turn sells more newspapers. Nothing gives me more joy than seeing a guy completely enthralled in a heroic fantasy, kudos Deadmetal, stupidity is a social vice but a personal virtue.

# May 16, 2005 @ 1:02 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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78. Desolitary writes:

Clarifications:

- That church was built on caprice and pig headed calousness and it exits from this world in a likewise fashion, ashes to ashes. (If in order to build this church Christianity needed to rape an eco-system that has been evolving for eons, then it is only karma that this same molestation should be returned to it in kind. In this sense, the act was retaliation, retribution and not proactive destruction. The church was 'created' through environmental discord and now that it has established an environment of it's own, it is only fitting that it should be 'destroyed' via the same mechanics. The bottom line is that without hurt there would be no heal, and life would be a drab horrid place.)

- ...and because it gives most people who believe it an easy enemy (in the form of heavy metal)

# May 16, 2005 @ 1:26 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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79. brokenwings13 writes:

Ok, comment 76, here's what happened.....

About a week before her absolutely huge wedding(14 bridesmaids and 14 groomsmen, 600 guests), this woman, Jennifer Wilbanks, disappears. Franctic searching, national news coverage, the whole nine yards. Then, a day before the scheduled wedding, she calls her fiance and says she's fine and in New Mexico, where she said her captors had dumped her at, so everyone is on tv, all happy and stuff, then about 8 hours later, we all find out that she didn't get kidnapped, she had a case of cold feet, ditched Duluth and went to Albuquerque on a Greyhound bus.

The story comes out, she got cold feet, ran away, but there's more......

The family's spokesmouth was the pastor from their church. Who made the couple in question look like perfect little angels who were in love, blah blah blah....

She was already in prison before for shoplifting and someone said that she ditched another guy at the alter a few years before this.

She's mental. And she got the FBI involved because it was across states, that's your tax dollars. Supposedly their still going to get hitched. The fiance "loves her and see that she needs space." Bulls**t, this guy is just as mental for believing her, if I was him, I'd have been in the other direction quicker than you could say steakhouse.

# May 16, 2005 @ 3:07 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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80. DEADMETAL writes:

alright buddy way to go ... like a natural ..... good old school australia for ya

# May 16, 2005 @ 4:08 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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81. [TRUE_FAN] writes:

hahahahahahahahaha,,, hahaha,,,, errmmmm, yah, hahaha

# May 16, 2005 @ 4:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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82. Novak writes:

post 79, he is a pusy its because of feminism. he loves her, yea rite, he is probly sum ugly bumpkin who can never do any better.
ps not my tax dollars, im aussie

# May 17, 2005 @ 8:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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83. MayheM writes:

Might i just say Novak that was a very honourable thing to do, i support you my friend. Burzum is a fine example of individualistic idea and thought, Varg is a very couragous man and highly intelligent.
People dont understand you, dont let thier pathetic opinions bring you down to their level. Christianity is a pile of sh** any religion is you had an extreme view of that and you brought it to that extreme, you acted on what you were thinking and saying, there is a certain amount of guts that has to be pocessed to be able to do that, it is quite obvious that not a many people have that.
Im curious young Novak what is to be of you now?

# May 19, 2005 @ 4:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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84. Novak writes:

MayheM not alot is happening in my life now. I have to go back to court on August but until then I occupy my time with my own music band (which actually contains members, unlike Varg/Burzum) My band is playing live on June 10 so we are quite busy. Other than that, not much.

# May 23, 2005 @ 9:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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85. MayheM writes:

Novak, dont insult Varg/Burzum a very good band that deserves as much respect as people can put foward. Im quite curious about your band what kind of music do you play? what do you play? and where are you playing?
What are the consequences of the trial my young friend? I hope all goes well in your favour...
Stay black, stay true and never give up.
Excuse the blood along the way.

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