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The Vicious Cycle: In Which Behemoth Fans Refuse To Let Common Sense Get In The Way Of Picking A Religious Fight

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Last August, I penned an OpEd titled “Metal Versus Society: A Vicious Cycle?” It built on the controversy of the fabled “West Memphis Three” to include a broader observation of the often-ugly dynamic between diehard metal fans – primarily those who look, dress, and talk the part – and the scruples of “normal” society that find convenient scapegoats in such black-clad, devil-music-listening hooligans.

I concluded that “we” are equally to blame in this cycle of demonization, whereby we often culturally segregate ourselves and point burning fingers at imaginary forces of oppression, all but inviting others to cast us in the role of pariah once more – and so it goes. What makes this cycle so enduring and vital is its very inconsistency; the controversy du jour is followed by a quiet period, which is shattered by yet another media event that implicates heavy metal music, its demonic fans, and its corruptive powers as agents of societal breakdown. We all know the drill. Sometimes, however, we can’t help ourselves, and falsely perpetuate the cycle by blowing a complete non-event so far out of proportion that it becomes – to some – our latest cause célèbre. In so doing, we sometimes risk tarnishing our own reputations.

Leave it to Behemoth frontman and professional Polish blasphemer Adam “Nergal” Darski to recklessly reignite the cycle this time around. A little over a week before the inaugural April 11th date of the Decibel Magazine Tour, booked at The Brewmasters Gate in Columbus, OH, the venue owners pulled the plug on the gig. Nergal had described the bill as “super-evil… the most satanic tour that’s going to invade the U.S. in a long time,” and when Behemoth’s label Metal Blade Records sought an explanation for the cancellation, management informed them that the owners “specifically pulled the plug for religious reasons.” The official Behemoth-approved press release included a statement from Nergal of such boneheaded idiocy that the mind simply boggles:

“Wow, big motherfuckin’ WOW! We are facing a legendary moment: Amerika, the land of the free, is banning Behemoth coz of religious beliefs. The madness starts in Ohio, but of korz we are playing anyway. Nothing can stop us now. God, please save me from this freedom…”

And I’m not nitpicking his English-as-a-second-language, iPhone-devolved spelling. That would be like tripping a guy in a cast. Let’s give Nergal, a purportedly intelligent and well-read man, the benefit of the doubt and assume he grasps the fundamentals of property rights under the U.S. Constitution. What we’re left with is worse than ignorance: a cynical attempt to rile up metal fans for some free publicity, at the cost of yet another sliver of harmony we may have gained within our society. A reckless breeding of the distrust and scorn he himself has experienced at the hands of censorship-happy Polish politicians, and of the discord he regularly accuses religious institutions of peddling.

To get an idea of what we’re dealing with, let’s examine some of the initial fan reactions to the news. Reader warning: the below statements, unedited, lack common sense and contain graphic scenes of headache-inducing predictability:

“Fuck established religion!!!!! how dare it get in the way of this concert!!!!!” Perhaps excusable, if the commenter meant the influence of “organized religion” on the owners’ consciences. An official “establishment” of religion is barred by the First Amendment, and played no role in the cancellation.

“That’s fucking bullshit what those fascist christian fucks are doing to you in Ohio. Unfortunately most Americans are, in fact, stuck up god loving cunts like that. Reason number one why I want to get the fuck out of this piece of shit nation as soon as humanly possible.” And relocate to the free-speech-abundant Polish homeland in which Nergal faced criminal charges for desecrating a Bible, perhaps?

But this one takes the cake: “Disgusting. Isn’t this America? ANY band should play wherever they want, I honestly want them to show up anyways, That’d be the best thing to do, show them you won’t back down because of intolerance.”

You heard the man, folks – trespassing on private property is Behemoth’s last stand against tyranny! For your information, Mr. Free Spirit, there is a stark difference between coercive prohibition by the state and a private establishment’s lawful exercising of its right to choose with whom it conducts business – however belatedly or ill-advised. For the audacious ignorance of Nergal’s statement, he did get one aspect right: Brewmasters Gate was well within its freedom to cancel, though I doubt he needed God to “save” him from it. The Alrosa Villa, a mere ten miles away, took up that task and rebooked the gig. And the iron-fisted legions of religious intolerance, lurking high and low, were thus defeated with the stroke of a pen.

Contrast this imaginary intolerance with a recent, and very real, affront to property rights in Boston, where last month a citywide police crackdown on moshing ensued after this disturbing scene was reported at a Flogging Molly performance at the House of Blues: “60 concertgoers… were running and ‘colliding into each other,’ including some who were ‘knocked to the ground.’ No injuries were reported.” In other words, one hell of an impressive pit, and some friendly, violent fun. The horror.

Nonetheless, the fuzz saw fit to cite the venue for a license violation because “security did not intervene” in the alleged flouting of safety rules. In a proud rechristening of the House of Blues as a No-Fun Zone, the venue was “ordered to put up illuminated signs saying moshing is not allowed.”

This worst kind of nanny-state action, in which busybody politicians, nosy bureaucrats, and power-tripping police twist the arms of private businesses to protect free Americans from themselves, should have provoked vastly greater and longer-sustained levels of outrage from metal fans in proportion to the Behemoth rescheduling. Instead, it’s already yesterday’s news, and we’ve settled back into our favorite pastime: battling phantom witch-hunters. Another classy reaction to the cancellation, and the clear gold medal winner: “It’s only a matter of time before all the crazy old religious people die. I for one and [sic] SICK of this oppression.”

There’s a “First World” complaint if ever I’ve heard one.

Regardless of your choice of music, “religious people” – despite all the stereotypes neatly embodied by Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Chuch – can still be your friends. However, government, notwithstanding the kindliest of social workers, can NEVER be your friend. It is, by definition, a coercive entity, whether Rick Santorum, Barack Obama, or Mao Zedong is at the controls. That is why if we truly believe in freedom, we can’t select our outrage. To sympathize with venue owners that face ridiculous fines by allowing moshing – or smoking, or ladies’ nights – on their own property is surely also to support the freedom of venue owners who opt not to host a band with whose flagrant message they disagree. If you happen in turn to disagree with THEIR beliefs, and if their decision backfires on their wallets, so be it, but let’s not pretend anyone is being “oppressed.”

I suspect the bombastic, over-the-top, melodramatic nature of metal itself is part of what drives some of us beyond issues as seemingly mundane as federal laws, state regulations, local ordinances, and the like (even though such things are snuffing our actual liberties increment by increment). Pencil-pushing bureaucracy and even political grandstanding can feel anathema to the sweeping grandeur of metal, wherein fierce battles between white and black, good and evil, oppressed and oppressor, are fought and blood is spilled. Why brush up on Constitutional law when we can brave the dark, exhilarating catacombs of religious paranoia, where on every street corner lives a cross-waving bigot itching to toss paint on your Slayer shirt as you walk by?

I fear it’s only going to grow worse. I’d never bemoan the free and swift flow of information the Web brings us, but it comes at a cost: in lifting certain burdens, technology can allow our mental muscles to atrophy, and enables instant, half-informed and half-witted “communication” that in earlier times wouldn’t have taken place – because the person would’ve had time to thoroughly digest the information in front of him, think, and react somewhat reasonably.

Instead, we have this, unedited: “Fuck christian fanatics.” “Fuck those relgious ass pussys.” “Fucking losers.” “fucking religious bigots.” “christian retards.” “I would see Ohio endure a nuclear winter.” “they’d like it better if [Behemoth] were speaking German.” “Church burning is funny. Always has been, always will be.”

In the vicious cycle of trolling and accusation, we’re all the afflicted drama queens of our own imaginary tales of oppression, and abuse the Web as a soapbox to trumpet our phony (and profane) rebellious posturing. In so doing, some of us wind up looking exactly like “they” assume us to be, inviting even more scorn and distrust upon the lot of us. Many of whom, myself included, are simply here for the enjoyment of the music we like.

Enjoy playing Columbus as planned in our land of free speech, Nergal, and thanks for nothing.

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Mike Smith is a Southern-born, New England-based writer and a diehard metal and hard rock fan. As a music journalist, he is a staffer with Metalunderground.com and Outburn Magazine. As a screenwriter/producer, he is currently working on his first film with director Jason Matzner ("Dreamland").

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1. RichF writes:

Right on there overkill, right on.

# Apr 4, 2012 @ 8:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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Well-said and well-written!

# Apr 4, 2012 @ 10:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. DocWebster writes:

I personally would have had way more fun pointing out the folly of the venue owner in grabbing for an umbrella when it was about to rain money. Now I loves me some anti-religion sentiment, when it is well argued, but the fan reaction is a prime example of feeble minded, knee-jerk imbecility and it makes the venue owner's overreaction seem measured and reasonable in comparison.

# Apr 5, 2012 @ 7:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Drum_Junkie writes:

Well done, OE.

All Nergal is doing is stirring up the publicity machine. He knows his audience and know how to play to them - musically and politically. He has a keen business sense. How many extreme Metal musicians are celebrities in their country - not to mention Poland?

As far as his vocal fans go, it's a mirror of the dumbing down of our modern society. Look at how our elected officials in the US congress are so quick to inflate trivial issues just to further their political aspirations (on both sides of the aisle). Those that shout the loudest are rarely the brightest. It's somewhat sad that many of the more intelligent fans remain silent. At the same time many discussions between a well-read person and an imbecile often drag the overall intellect down until Godwin's law is invoked - a hollow victory on both sides.

# Apr 5, 2012 @ 8:51 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. deathbringer writes:

I definitely agree with the commentary insofar as metalheads playing a role in creating issues for themselves and reinforcing stereotypes. But I think the criticism of Nergal is a little harsh. My main contention is that while the venue may be in their rights to cancel, it doesn't make it right, especially if it's based on religious reasons. Nergal may not be right to criticize America's freedom, but I think there is an assumption that tolerance comes with a land of freedom, and we do boast some mighty intolerant people in this country. If this decision was, in fact, a religious based one, then it seems to be a little more grey area to me even though the establishment is within their rights to cancel. Fifty years ago they'd also be within their rights to deny black folks service. Not that it's the same, but one could definitely claim that there is some element of discrimination in this issue at hand as well, which is why it might not sit right with some.

# Apr 5, 2012 @ 9:23 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. hmm writes:

isn't the sort of fallacious logic employed in this piece absurd? Does "showing up anyway" literally equate with the person suggesting it, (not doing anything yet, just suggesting it,) promoting "trespassing on private property?"

The author has their sense of the definition of government and what other terms mean, but in the real world of public languages, there aren't constant, static definitions of words that we use to prove points, (with the exception of certain very specific words, like "the sum of..." and not like "a government".) What you've done is assume Nergal defines all terms identically, and created what's called a straw man argument, which, of course, is easy to argue against because it isn't an accurate representation of what the person said.

# Apr 5, 2012 @ 11:14 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. Interceptor writes:

The writer of this piece seems to have trouble grasping the concept of the metal genre and the tried-and-true publicity tactics employed therein. First of all, Nergal provoked a response from his fans...to stir up publicity. He didn't say "go burn down a church". The writer here gets so involved with government, regulations, etc that he forgets the entire basis of what he was originally writing about.

To sum it up, apparently Nergal isn't politically correct enough for the writer...or else the writer was personally offended by Nergal because it offended his religious beliefs.

Long story short, Nergal spoke out against why he wasn't allowed to play. Don't make this into a capital offense. So what that people online are hateful of religion? Get over it. There are more important stories to cover.

# Apr 5, 2012 @ 5:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. OverkillExposure writes:

#6: The only straw man argument here was employed by Nergal himself. Which, #7, was the point of the article: he wasn't "not allowed to play." One venue decided to bail, and another rebooked. Free choices were made. No one censored him, and he damn well knew it. This has nothing to do with his political correctness or lack thereof; he's attempting to ride further on the publicity wave from his Polish blasphemy case by dragging "Amerika" into it, and it's downright lame. Who said anything about a capital offense? Public figures deserve to get called out on idiotic statements, period.

Far from "forgetting the entire basis" of the article, the aspect concerning government is more than relevant. If Nergal and his cheerleaders enjoy throwing words around like "banned" and insinuating that their freedom of speech is being violated, they deserve to be reminded of the difference between state censorship and a perfectly legal business decision. To ignore this difference is to bask in phony martyrdom.

# Apr 5, 2012 @ 7:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. Interceptor writes:

@OverkillExposure,

You still fail to realize that this was done for basic publicity. Nergal used it to evoke a reaction and to get people talking - as you have clearly done, just as he intended. It's not "downright lame", it's a band using a situation to get some free promotion. End of story.

You seem hellbent on something inconsequential. It looks like this was all a rather lackluster attempt here to turn this into a political/religious matter of epic proportions. It's not. The day we start picking at every word that a musician says is a sad day indeed, and not just for metal. But for music. I'm more concerned what some politician says than a guy in a band. Ok, so Nergal says something and people bash religion. So...? When someone firebombs a church under Nergal's order, get back to me. Until then, this will remain a pointless editorial.

# Apr 5, 2012 @ 8:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. Dasher10 writes:

I'll still be covering this tour but to be perfectly frank, when it comes to The Devil's Blood, their views are incredibly extreme, even for Satanism and SL's comments about the Church of Satan as well as various pagan faiths haven't done much to rally occultists around him in his defense. Even if their sound isn't offensive, people are naturally frightened by fundamentalism, especially if it isn't Christian and the venue was probably expecting some sort of backlash or boycott.

# Apr 5, 2012 @ 8:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. CorpusUpir writes:

Negal is using the situation to his advantage, but it doesn't mean that the venue doesn't have the right to cancel a show that goes against their belifs Religious or otherwise. If a Christian cerimony or band was to be performed at a hall run by satanists they would have all the same rights to ban it from happening . The whole idea of havin freedom is the right to say no I don't want that and not being forced too. WE as metalheads do forget that although we may not agree with something we should accept that it was their freedom to do so lashing out and hate mongering at a group further causes us to be looked at as nothing more then devil worshiping morons that want nothing more then to drink beer and destroy everything. I am a christian and a behemoth fan , my best friend is a lesbian witch and I have friends that are satanists and I have to say I enjoyed this articale well written OE !

# Apr 5, 2012 @ 10:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. Dasher10 writes:

@Corpus I'm not against freedom of religion. It's just that some beliefs are more likely to cause controversy, especially with the way that they're expressed.

# Apr 6, 2012 @ 1:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. CorpusUpir writes:

Dasher I have to agree with ya there . Just wish people would try and think of both sides before they leap. I do sometimes wonder if church burning satan worshipers are any better or worse then the westboro church ( and I really hate the westboro F**ks)

# Apr 6, 2012 @ 9:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. deathbringer writes:

Good points on the publicity commentary. Nergal is an entertainer and has a tour and more to promote. You can his words seriously and at face value like many have, or take them as nothing more than PR or somewhere in between. It could not have happened on a better date than right at the start of the tour.

# Apr 6, 2012 @ 11:01 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Designer writes:

Why so touchy? Why not draw a line between yourself and the religious fanatics that Nergal has to deal with on his travels? If you don’t share the opinions of these “religious” types, why bother blowing hot air at Nergal? If you agree with these “religious” types that Nergal does on occasion have to deal with, denying that would be a lie, just come out and take your place among them.

Fiction. What is it with religious fanatics and fiction? They believe it like it’s the truth, and freak out about it in society. Harry potter, metal, gay poetry, you name it. Anything in another religious vein, fantasy, horror, gay, further when this is expressed through music, gets targeted. There is in fact a substantial market of literature sold sometimes only in Christian bookstores that is highly intolerant of others.

Publicity, fine. Nergal has positioned himself with the nature of his work to be at odds with certain types of characters. But rather than stand down and quit, why not blaze the machine? What’s the difference? The guy can fight to win his battle, too, to perform his show. These other particular characters battle is to shut him down, and you know it.

I detest this “larger than life” portrayal of Nergal and his art/music/fiction vs. American freedom and the religious establishment. Parts of the article border on all-too-familiar-to-a-non-American-these-days stereotypes of anti-foreign nationalism and religious homogeny (at least I'd hoped that was a stereotype.) You’ll have a tough time telling anyone with a functioning brain that “Nergal” and “Behemoth” are the epitome of the age old battle of “good” vs. “evil” in the extreme religious establishment, with “Nergal” being the embodiment of “Satan.” Bull. It’s fiction. Pure and simple. But for some reason some religious nuts really thing this sh** is for real, and not just the work of the imagination, or a metaphor at it’s extreme best. Some of us actually know when something is fiction, and can actually enjoy the imagination without going to extremes of “cultural warfare” at such fantastic levels. Ridiculous. Confirmation bias at its best. Too many arms of the fallacious tree at work to shake a stick at.

So, no, I don’t think what Nergal is going through is anything to do with a larger battle, a larger issue, or even the mass generalization that you seem to take in stride and conclude to create of your own devices, “massively” generalizing Nergal’s comments and blowing them out of proportion to coincide with your issues, and not his. Nergal runs into characters who try to put a stop his shows. Take it in context.

The modern “Satan” tends to be more of a Prometheus figure, anyway, and Nergal’s butting heads with a few of a particular religious type doesn’t even deviate from that motif. I personally do enjoy the show.

# Apr 6, 2012 @ 12:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. DESTROY YOURSELF writes:

SATAN MANIPULATIONS

# Apr 6, 2012 @ 12:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. OverkillExposure writes:

Designer, for one thing, you completely misread the paragraph that mentions "good vs evil." Rediscover your sense of sarcasm.

For another, you've completely misread the contentious hinge upon which the article swings, which is this: Nergal and many of his fans are acting willfully obtuse over the difference between freedom and censorship, all for the sake of trolling an ongoing cultural war. It does exist, and in this case, needlessly so.

You've gone to some length to harp on the difference between "real" stuff and "fiction/publicity," and I fail to see why this is such a trump card. Nergal's ignorant words, and the reactions they provoked, are all the more contemptible BECAUSE they're a likely publicity stunt. Drawing further attention to it is a small price to pay for providing an alternate commentary that connects the issue to larger trends within the metal scene.

Your post contains all the cultural warfare, and then some, you seem to believe this article is waging.

# Apr 6, 2012 @ 12:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. Groghunter writes:

A contract is a contract, whether verbal or written. while nothing was signed (i'm sure, because otherwise they'd be legally liable) they agreed to host an event, and then cancelled, not because of any particular negative action by Behemoth or Decibel. While not illegal, i certainly find such action morally reprehensible, especially when based on personally held beliefs.

TL;DR: cancelling a tour date in this way isn't going to win any awards with me.

# Apr 6, 2012 @ 1:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. runlevel0 writes:

The first question: What is the aim of this post? Does it have any? What are you ranting about, actually? metalheads acting as metalheads and not as Entertainment Professionals? Is that what you search in Extreme Metal? Long haired versions of Madonna or Justin Timberlake?

What has Behemot actually done against private property? AFAIK they have not trespassed into somebody's home without asking, nor stolen anything. And no, not in all countries in the world 'private property rights' include the right to decide whether or not to cancel a contract unilaterally for such things as 'religious reasons'. I would actually say that even in the USA this falls into a completely different category. Here in Holland, for instance, the owner of the venue would have had to pay a good amount.

I am not too much into US laws, but in the countries I know a venue is a public place and does thus not fall into the 'private' sphere were you could be committing a 'crime against private property rights' and even then it would have to be going to somebody's home and destroying or stealing something. Saying something that does not match someone's religious or political views, even in his very own living room does NOT fall into 'faults against private property".

Thus, mate, please explain what the f*** you were trying to say in this article because I don't f***ing get it.

# Apr 6, 2012 @ 1:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. Netromancer writes:

Cancellations happen all the time. Ask any band. Whether you agree or not, Nergal has the right to play dress up. AND the owner has the right to cancel his playdate for religious reasons or otherwise.

I'm all for free speech, but you won't see me hosting any Klan meetings.

You can't tell me this is in any way surprising when trying to sell yourself as the "The most satanic tour"?

# Apr 6, 2012 @ 1:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. runlevel0 writes:

Leaving aside the break of contract:

The whole point of the "cultural warfare" is again completely wrong.

If we metal heads, or more specifically extreme metal fans, were not into a cultural warfare we were just not into (extreme) metal. I assume at this point that you already know that a good part of the themes and aesthetics of extreme metal is about Satanism, devil worship and blasphemy. And I assume that you may thing that they might have done this with a certain degree of intentionality, don't you?

So, when you see a bunch of guys wearing pentagrams and singing about slaughtering nuns... do you thing that this is actually just an allegory of peaceful cohabitation of religions in a world full of understanding and harmony?

And well... many of us have perfectly assumed our roles as jackasses, that is actually one of the reasons we listen to Extreme Metal... which is actually something very different from Metallica or Korn, btw ;)

# Apr 6, 2012 @ 1:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. Interceptor writes:

OverkillExposure wrote: "Nergal and many of his fans are acting willfully obtuse over the difference between freedom and censorship, all for the sake of trolling an ongoing cultural war. It does exist, and in this case, needlessly so."

Uh, wait...cultural war? You've been watching too much O'Reilly and Glenn Beck. Next you'll tell us Nergal's behind the fictional "War on Christmas".

I guess some people understand metal. Some don't.

# Apr 6, 2012 @ 2:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. CorpusUpir writes:

Some people relize that there is more to the world then one view. Look at it from both angles before you spaz out! OE has made a vary valid point! WE ( as metalheads) need to think more about what we say , because it's not just us that's going to read this . The media will and we (with our hate) are going to come off wrong. I love Behemoth's music but please don't make this a religious or cultural war over a decision made by a few . There are many who understand on both sides, but this is only destructive to the whole of us. I know I sound like a hippie , but it is their freedom to do as they have as well as it is Negal's to use it for publicity. Don't be brainwashed by anything listen , think (about both sides) , then react. Show that we as metalheads are smart, and well educated

# Apr 7, 2012 @ 7:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. hellrat writes:

Oh Golly, I thought this was gonna be some bit of witcraft about how gaping them jackasses are on Full Metal Jousting, but alas! its yet another rather embarrassing, righteously pretentious PC socio-spective....Yuck, no thanks :)

But I DO wonder what might be OverkillExposure's expert analysis of Mayhem in Society? ;)

NP---Leaving to Zion---Black Uhuru

# Apr 7, 2012 @ 5:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. Michael Barrymore writes:

Pompous, pretentious, arrogant and downright stupid. Terrible article.

# Apr 8, 2012 @ 8:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. KREDD writes:

Yep, ditto #20

# Apr 9, 2012 @ 11:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. NW_MetalHead writes:

First of all this was a great article, it has solicited a solid debate with very little sophomoric name calling. What I got out of it was that while the venue has every right in the world to not let Behemoth play there, the reaction by Nergal and the keyboard junkies went beyond realm of necessity. By blaming Amerika for this happening is a little extreme, but it was mainly done for PR. And the young and impressionable metalheads out there that haven't made up their own minds on anything are quick to spout ignorant statements just as much as those on the other side of the fence. The bottom line is another venue picked up the show so everyone needs to calm down. And I cant wait to see this show in Seattle

# Apr 9, 2012 @ 3:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. DixieSkumLord666 writes:

interesting article...i'm a huge behemoth fan but this seems like a big non-event...the show has been rescheduled and even though its lame club owners have the right to refuse bands on religious grounds...perhaps for fear of his future business...neither the american or state governments tried to stop the show...that said the club owner should know that behemoth and watain are not gospel acts. Also, middle america is far less tolerant of blasphemy and heresy than the coasts...Nergal might not be aware of that...i kind of hope they have a similiar issue in tampa and are forced to reschedule to florida's east coast.

# Apr 9, 2012 @ 11:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. inside_context writes:

@OverkillExposure :
sir,you are gauging "fan reaction" in a n editorial..seriously...either i am not getting your train of thoughts...or as put forth by #22 "I guess some people understand metal. Some don't."
Your pseudo satire on the Nergal episode followed by a pointless and seemingly endless banter regarding it reflecting stereotypes nothing new or path breaking...terrible read

# Apr 14, 2012 @ 2:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address

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