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Mike Portnoy Sees Uncanny Similarities Between Dream Theater And Red Songs

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Former Dream Theater drummer Mike Portnoy has stirred up controversy by hinting that Dream Theater may have borrowed a bit too much influence from the band Red. He alleges that the Red song "Feed the Machine" is incredibly similar to the Dream Theater tune "Build Me Up, Break Me Down." This series of quotes came about on Portnoy's ProgBlog when he responded to a thread about John Petrucci's top album pick of 2011 on the Roadrunner site. For the full article, go to this site.

"Check out the first song on [John Petrucci's] fave album of the year…. WOW, the arrangement and orchestration sounds awfully familiar!! Surely it must be an intentional 'nugget' for the fans… It couldn't possibly be blatant formula plagiarism, now could it…?? I just have to laugh…Hey…I'm not trying to start a war…. and I am indeed totally in a happy place in my life and career… I'm just merely making an observation and posting openly on my own forum like I always have and always will… If anybody ELSE wants to blow this up, it's their choice and doing…not mine! And PS – to defend music that I co-wrote/arranged (that were cited previously in this thread), there's a difference between 'inspiration corner'/'copping a certain vibe' and blatantly re-writing an existing song or formula section by section…"

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BrianMN's avatar

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1. BrianMN writes:

Bitter?
I think so.
He says he's happy with where his is in life.
Then why continue to stir s*** up?
I honestly didn't listen to either sample.
I haven't been a DT fan since Awake.
Yawn.
N.P. Deicide, F*** Your God.

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 9:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. R10 writes:

Screw Portney and who gives a flying fvck! Pretty underhanded if ya ask me.

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 9:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. wilco writes:

think he has a bucket full of hate freaking crybaby

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 11:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Price writes:

So the fact that "Images and Words" borrowed alot from Marillion's "Misplaced Childhood"... that wasn't intentional. Right.

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 11:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. kallah writes:

He doesn't want to 'start a war', yet he posts this. It's nothing new that Dream Theater has inspirations from other bands.

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 11:51 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Drum_Junkie writes:

Exhibit B:
Dream Theater - Never Enough (2005)
Muse - Stockholm Syndrome (2003)

Listen to both and judge for yourselves.

Seems like Portnoy was perfectly fine with psuedo-plagarism six years ago.

The example I posted also seems to share more similarities than MP's example.

I'd like to give Mike the benefit of the doubt, but his actions come across like those of a spurned lover.

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 11:57 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. btbamfav20 writes:

zero respect for my past-fav drummer... Seriously?! Ur gonna go out and talk sh** about ur old band? The one that wouldn't let u back because they aren't douchebags who would suggest firing the new drummer, when he just quit a very successful teaching career...
I hope he'll realize that theres only going to be bout 3% of the people that read this article supporting his crap, while the other 97% will hate him more... what a crybaby... shouldhnt have left Dream Theater for Avenged Sevenfold (My fingers seized up when writing that sentence, some of those words shouldn't even co-exist together, but look: left Dream theater, for avenged sevenfold.... that gives me physical pain typing lol)

NP: Act Of Violence - Marionette

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 11:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Drum_Junkie writes:

btbam: You're a glutten for punishment - typing that twice. ;)

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 12:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. Blindgreed1 writes:

Clearly Portnoy went out of his mind when he joined A7X, this should come as no surprise to anyone.

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 12:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. Netromancer writes:

We all know that if you don't want anything blown out of proportion just post it on the internet, eh, Mike?

Big respect for the man as a musician, but this smacks of pettiness. DT has some great music with an amazing fanbase, alot of those fans will be more likely to check out his new material if he takes the high road and leaves the bickering out. Get back behind the kit and melt faces, don't stir sh** up with a blog.

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 12:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. hellrat writes:

jesus fvcking christ man, Porkboi is SUCH a fvcking goon...and I agree, to me Dreamy Chunder has always sounded like one big conglomerate of various shameless pagerisms

I fvcking hate that band...ALMOST as much as I hate the lil' Vengie Vaggiefolds :)

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 12:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. R10 writes:

I actually like older thier older stuff. The last few albums have'nt done much for me. Great live,i will say. Portney just seems sour grapes in this punk move. Waaaa,the band i helped create,wont take me back because i left for that A7X crap. Get overx it! NP: Bob Seger- Against The Wind

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 1:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. ZMA writes:

If I was Portney I'd just point it out. Like one of those "ya know what I noticed the other day at random" type of things. Cause the songs stand on their own. And I'm sure it wasn't intentional. Not like Dream Theater needs to steal music from anyone lol. It's just an interesting observation. But of course cause because it's Portney you get most of the reactions posted above all over the internet........well I guess not theses reactions. There are probably way worse like on blabbermouth. It's tame here at times.

It's really a catch 22 for him. Because if he points it out, he gets sh**, but even if he says "I'm not tryin' to start sh!t" he still gets sh!t. But of course this is what I've always expected of the internets lol.

Not really takin' sides, just pointing stuff out.

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 2:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. DreamHeater writes:

...*sigh*

Give it a rest, Portnoy. You've already lost whatever respect I had for you, stop being a retard before the rest of your fans start to agree.

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 2:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Shno writes:

I guess that Beatles cover band Portnoy was playing Barmitzvahs with wasn't getting him enough attention...

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 10:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. RTB writes:

Mike is starting to look like that yodeler going up the mountain aka the ruler in the game cliffhangers on the price is right...careers going well, dream theatre is rolling, climbing the mountain, " yode du yode du yode du de oh"
gets to the top of the ruler, er mountain, " yode du yode du de oh" ,leaves the dream to go to A7X, ok your at the top, dont go over, " yode du yode du yode du de oh", wants to go back to theatre, band wont let him, now cries playgerism, yodeler falls off the top of the nountain, et ruler...
Short story long, a guy whos career was rolling and was pretty much on top, has started to fall off a bit, character and career choice wise...
GO to youtube and type in price is right cliffhangers for the yodeler reference

# Dec 20, 2011 @ 11:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. DreamHeater writes:

RTB, your allegory confused the sh** out of me.

I got the general idea though - this guy needs to shut the f*** up. Seriously.

It's not enough he had to f*** himself over, now he has to try to bring everyone else down with him?

# Dec 21, 2011 @ 1:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. cruor writes:

Wow I am no fan of DT by any means (it sounds like to me they confuse over the top musical technicality for soul, vision, and emotion) but damn Portnoy really sounds like a petty b**** right now. I mean he might have some credibility to his argument but none the less the first album without the guy and he starts taking shots.

# Dec 21, 2011 @ 9:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. bbristowe writes:

Wow, I don't mind Petrucci but DT is so gay. The 'Red' song sounds better by far anyway. On top of it that, every time I hear DT I think of James Labries extremely f***ed feminine face.

Mike Portnoy is a douche too, Mangini fills are ace compared to portnot.

# Dec 22, 2011 @ 3:20 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. similar writes:

similar does not mean blatant copy. I see nothing wrong here... move on and a big f*** you for Portnay. "I don't mean to start a war." That is absurd, then why say anything? You clearly do mean to start sh**. Time to shut up or provide more substantiate evidence that they did plagiarize another band (instead of pure conjecture)

# Dec 22, 2011 @ 6:39 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. FUCK FRESHEST DICK LOOP SUGARSMACKS writes:

I DONT SEE WHAT HES b****ING ABOUT. AX7 RULES THE EARTH AND FOR ALL ETERNITY

# Dec 22, 2011 @ 3:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. Drum_Junkie writes:

Another thought just crossed my mind.
I'm not sure if MP realizes the full extent of what he insinuated. Or maybe he did and that is why his posted were retracted off his forum.

What his comments imply is that the guys that he's played with for 25+ years have suddenly lost their artistic credibility. Either that or they lost it some time ago and he was still willing to work with them (which doesn't speak well to his own credibility). Attacks like this seem self destructive. When you attack the character of former bandmates, you're also hurting yourself because you chose to play with them before. Suddenly they suck because you're no longer with them? Not likely.

# Dec 22, 2011 @ 4:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. bbristowe writes:

'What his comments imply is that the guys that he's played with for 25+ years have suddenly lost their artistic credibility.'

That's exactly it. Portnoy really sh** the bed.

# Dec 22, 2011 @ 4:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. Lynx-Ragnarok writes:

Portnoy is a tard. He left DT for A7X, Hyper-sucessful Prog metal for a Piece of sh** Emo band. His loss, Move on with your life. They have, Cut the Jealousy

# Dec 23, 2011 @ 9:15 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. CorpusUpir writes:

Well as I do see MP's point about the blatent rip off and do think DT is lame for doing that. I think Mike is just trying to keep in the lime light well he flutters around trying to figure out what he's going to do now that he abandoned his bread and butter. So to keep his name alive he attacks his old band which is super lame.

# Dec 23, 2011 @ 9:31 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address

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