"some music was meant to stay underground..."

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Are Heavy Metal Fans The Victims Of Discrimination, Or Are They Overreacting... Or Both?

One August afternoon when I was 19, I returned home sweating and exhausted from my summer job, hopped in the shower, and found a white cardboard box waiting for me on my bedspread. I opened it to discover a stack of crisp, preppy, neatly folded, diversely colored… polo shirts. I think one of them was Nantucket Red. Or, if you’re not a vacationing male WASP, “pink.”

Torn between feelings of awkward gratitude and slithering revulsion, I tracked down my Dad to inquire about the unsolicited gift. He replied with a knowing grin, “So you’ll stop wearing those black T-shirts.”

Sensing another opportunity for angst-ridden teenage martyrdom, I promptly engaged my Dad and stepmother in a fierce battle of wills that pitted the goofy attire of golf courses against the monochromatic uniform of heavy metal… and wound up kicked out of the house.

Silly as it all seems from the matured age of 27, this story is part of my own brush with that ongoing battle in our society, a battle whose lines have been drawn between the mainstream and the misfits, the orthodox and the outcasts – with presumptions and stereotypes aplenty on all sides. Occasionally, those stereotypes become scapegoats, and the results are sometimes uglier than an afternoon detention or a shouting match at the dinner table.

Consider the case of the fabled “West Memphis Three,” the trio of Arkansas teenagers convicted in 1994 of a brutal triple homicide. A topic already of considerable relevance and interest in these circles, I won’t bother to rehash the forensic details, but let’s break down the basics. Three young boys tortured and murdered in an alleged “Satanic ritual.” Disorganized police and politically motivated prosecutors in need of a suspect, and a grieving, culturally conservative community in need of a villain. Three teens whose attire, attitudes, and music tastes placed them outside the norm. Dubious rumors. Flimsy physical evidence. Guilt by association. All the reasonable doubt in the world couldn’t have stopped this runaway train once the brakes blew.

The Three’s recent DNA exoneration and subsequent release, for which they were STILL forced to plead guilty before they could continue to protest their innocence as free men, came too little, too late.

The media frenzy following the 1999 shooting rampage at Columbine High School is in a class all its own. The cluster of fingered culprits – violent video games, violent TV, violent films, and, of course, heavy metal music – reads like a laundry list of ‘90s boogeymen in American society. Even my own Mom was spooked enough to confiscate my copy of Rob Zombie’s “Hellbilly Deluxe” and burst into tears when she learned my Dad had taken me and my friends to see “The Matrix.”

The Columbus Dispatch ran a retrospective story two Decembers ago on the fifth anniversary of Dimebag Darrell’s murder at the Alrosa Villa. In the online comments section, one ignoramus professed sarcastic shock. He (or she) wanted to know what metalheads were so upset about. After all, we crave and promote violence… right?

I could fill an Apple account ledger with further examples of this kind of discrimination, some no more consequential than a dirty look or whispered rumor, some devastating. But suffice it to say that metal fans, by and large, are routinely held in some level of contempt by mainstream society.

But, to adapt a popular saying, it takes two (or more) to mosh. What came first, a barrage of irrational disdain from the orthodox, or some genuinely antisocial behavior from the outcasts? Who provoked the other into his respective societal role? The chicken or the egg?

That question can’t, and probably won’t ever, be answered here or anywhere. Over decades, this sprawling conflict has devolved into a vicious cycle, continually perpetuated by all “sides.” The biggest problem lies in groupthink – in this case, the presumption that those who share the same musical tastes must share the same beliefs, attitudes, attire, and behaviors. Sometimes the notion of “solidarity” is overrated, and metalheads are not entirely blameless.

Let’s look at the really bad apples first, the ones who take “metalness” to outrageous, cartoonish, and disturbing levels. I know a confused young woman who seems so desperate to belong to something greater – yet so determined to embody the “other” – that she has aggressively embraced LaVeyan Satanism, Theistic Satanism, Atheism, Mussolinian Fascism, and National Socialism. She even extolled Catholicism at one point, but that seemed to end when her relationship with her boyfriend did. There’s no order or logic to her chosen flavors of the week, just an underlying primal hostility toward society – and an overly enthusiastic obsession with black metal – that randomly generates them.

And the fact that coarse douchebaggery in the form of videos such as “Dimebag Deserved It” finds its way onto YouTube doesn’t exactly help the cause of metal, either. Nor do the ignorant comments from one unidentified half-wit beneath the ghastly footage of Dime’s murder: “I’ll bet the killer was a religious Christian!”

Way to fight discrimination.

Bizarre anomalies aside, let’s look in the mirror a moment. At a certain point (without any coaxing from my Dad), I stopped dressing in “metal gear” because it just started to feel silly, and this might seem a tad unrealistic, but I have to say it: even if you’re 17 and pissed, you don’t necessarily have to DRESS metal in order to BE metal. Getting decked out for a concert is one thing, but let’s face it: walking around in everyday public life looking like Kerry King’s biker assistant or a one-man Hot Topic stand doesn’t constitute a shock to the system any more than pouring a cup of water into the ocean does. Rather, most people just shrug sadly and think, “There goes a kid who really dresses like shit.”

And yet, all things being equal, enough poured cups will raise the water level. And the cycle of stereotypes continues in a flurry of sighs, shaking heads, rejected job applications, and tension within families and institutions.

I’m not suggesting that all metalheads bring discrimination upon themselves. Nor do I feel that mainstream society is entirely to blame. As I stated before, it takes two (or more) to mosh, and the answer lies somewhere in the middle, where people with differences face off, decide they don’t like each other, and form huddles with the like-minded, fantasizing about how the “other” is either out to persecute them, bent on corrupting society, or both of the above. “Us versus them.”

I have no clear-cut solutions, I’m afraid, nor do I presume to be within reach of them. What IS clear to me is the pressing need for all of us – metalheads or not – to rediscover the virtues of true individuality. Let’s approach and interact with others as individual human beings, each with a broad, complex spectrum of motivations and feelings. The actions of a wife-beating metalhead say no more about the metal community than the actions of a wife-imprisoning Mormon say about Christianity – as long as we hold the line by honestly evaluating our own behavior.

We are a society. Heavy metal has a place in it alongside every other institution. Let’s all do our part to get along, shall we?

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Mike Smith is a Southern-born, New England-based writer and a diehard metal and hard rock fan. As a music journalist, he is a staffer with Metalunderground.com and Outburn Magazine. As a screenwriter/producer, he is currently working on his first film with director Jason Matzner ("Dreamland").

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1. btbamfav20 writes:

OverkillExposure, have you been watching Zeitgeist?? :P

NP: Guilty Of Dispersal - Gorod

# Aug 30, 2011 @ 9:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. Diamond Oz writes:

Interesting article, though I disagree with quite alot of it.

# Aug 30, 2011 @ 9:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. hellrat writes:

Its always amazed me that so many people are so wrapped up in how they are percieved by society in general...

I certainly don't give a flying fvck; I ain't a politician...folks who'd presume to judge me without any experience with regard to WHO I AM ain't worth the fvcking time of day...I have absolutely NO interest in being approved by, or associating with, anyone of such baseless and shallow persuasion...f*** em, ya know! every last dog-brained one

NP---Fvcking Hostile---Vulgar Display

# Aug 30, 2011 @ 10:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Cynic writes:

Great write up. Most people try and approach this with a "let's make the mainstream understand metal" mentality to bring people together but I don't. As long as I have my freedom then anyone who doesn't like my music or the way I dress can deal with it. People want to belong, and metal is a culture you can belong to without a specific god, race, creed or uniform.

# Aug 30, 2011 @ 10:08 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. sonictherapy writes:

My dad used to borrow my thrash metal albums to better understand what I liked listening to. When I handed him "To Mega Therion" he looked at the nice cover art of Satan with Jesus on a slingshot...and the look on his face was priceless.

# Aug 30, 2011 @ 10:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. hellrat writes:

Oh ya, meant to add that I do commend you for having the huevos to have written and posted this piece, Overkill...for whatever that's worth to ya

Sonic, such a great record...and a pretty good Geiger as well

I predict some hundreds of comments to follow...

# Aug 30, 2011 @ 10:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. Cynic writes:

Ha - I know what you mean sonic. I've been pretty lucky to have understanding parents - I got my mum to buy me "God Hates Us All" for Christmas when I was 14 :)

# Aug 30, 2011 @ 10:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. DixieSkumLord666 writes:

awesome post...thank lucifer or thor that most of us live in relatively free places like america, canada britain or europe...i still wear "metal gear" at age 32...f*** mainstream society sheeple and their worthless opinions...most human societies embrace stupid celebrities, idiot politicians and deceitful religions...if they reject people who look or think differently thats their loss not mine....gotta say that church burning racist idiots like varg vikernes don't really help metal out though

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 1:04 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. R10 writes:

I was pretty lucky to have been raised by some mellow,understanding parents. No golf shirts here. My metal uniform included of course the metal tour shirts but also a pretty b****in mullet. Yup,right out of "Heavy Metal Parking Lot". Never really cared how society percieved what i listen to or how i dress. Having been down south to some of those "bible belt" towns,i could see where it would be a problem wearing something like a Cradle of Filth or a Dimmu Borgir shirt. Probably would ruffle some feathers. Anyways,interesting and well written piece.

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 7:07 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. brandedcfh420 writes:

reminds of my dad telling me to dress like "normal people" and i told him "f*** NORMAL". To this day i still wear metal (band) shirts and love when i see religious peopl give me the wide berth to nt be close to me! I LOVE IT! shows true ignorance and how they are so easily brainwashed into hating those not like them!

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 7:07 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. hilzzy writes:

lol i go to a Catholic school and on the rare occasions when we dont have to wear a uniform i always bring out the band shirts and the looks from some teachers are just too funny (Behemoth shirt with Nergal holding a bible with 'lies' written on the bible is classic :D )

anyway, i just wear what i feel like wearing (mostly the band shirts and jackets) and if someone judges me on how i look then f*** them and the same to the people who judge me on the music i listen to

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 7:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. deathbringer writes:

I must dress like sh** :-) I'm most comfortable in a simple t-shirt and shorts, so even at 39, it's band shirts and geek-themed t-shirts (programming-related, video games, or childhood shows and cartoons). But I've gone out of my way to buy some band shirts that are not black, trying to diversify a little (and I have plenty of black). Plus I hate being hot, and a black shirt on a summer day just isn't practical.

I hate dressing up - from business casual to really dressed up especially - and luckily very rarely have to do it. f*** wearing a suit to work!

But not to get caught up in the dress code part, it was a nice article overall, with good points. We see people judging religions by the worst of them every day and need to realize that if we identify ourselves with metalheads, we're very likely to be judge by the worst stereotypes of them as well. Even emos and goths often get pre-judged as metalheads due to the way they dress and the onlooker's total lack of real knowledge about any of the above.

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 9:45 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. Eccentricity writes:

Great article Overkill. Brings back memories of when I was grounded for not making honor roll.. my punishment was confiscation of my black eyeliner and all the metal posters that covered my bedroom walls. Now I have my own kid who wears nothing but band t-shirts and I have to laugh when my mom says "doesn't he own anything that's not black?" The point is there's a time and place for everything, and hopefully regardless of musical tastes, we all eventually grow up and realize that.

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 9:51 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. Elda writes:

I like this article and absolutely agree with you for the most part. I mostly listen to and appreciate metal and all its remarkable subgenres. But I don't class myself as a "metalhead". I don't think people need to class themselves as anything, in general. You are an individual and you have various interests, behaviours, morals, etc.

Why class yourself as a "something" that has the same beliefs and likes as all the other “somethings”?

Metal is a music genre, you listen to the music, it encourages you, brings you pleasure, solace, etc.
Other people find pleasure listening to other genre's (jazz, blues, classical, etc.)
And that's okay! (Society should accept that.)

I think that people should focus on what they hear, how they interpret what they hear, how it makes them feel and act.

This might be slightly off topic... Sorry about that.

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 10:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. RememberMetal? writes:

Society as a whole and metal fans in specific would do well to remember the "do what thou wilt" philosophy. Unfortunately, what brings pleasure to some is directing condemnation and flak toward others...

I didn't get into metal music for any reason other than it tickled some funny bone in my 4 year old mind and I wanted to hear as much of it as possible for the rest of my life. I had no concept of society’s spec on metal fans, I wouldn't have cared if I had known and I still don't care today. I recognize that my music is odd and off-puttingly aggressive and other than startled pets, concerned neighbors, a few speeding tickets and some hearing-loss it hasn’t resulted in any real harm. Most normal people understand this as well.

Like all stereotypes, the metal fan stigma won’t die easily, especially when there are bad-egg metal fans out there. But if you look at the history of rock/metal (compare the prejudice metal fans endured in the 80’s and 90’s to now) you will note a gradual improvement (if occasionally setback) in the global world view of metal music and it’s fans.

And btw… f*** pink polo shirts. Monochrome forever!

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 10:28 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. BrianMN writes:

@ post # 5...that is one of the most hilarious album covers EVER!!!
Anyway...man does this article bring back the memories.
I'm in my late 30's now and I was raised in a psycho Catholic home, sent to private school...K-12.
I also broke out the metal shirts on non uniform days. I saved Cannibal Corpses "Tomb of the Mutilated" shirt for my last day Senior year and man that DID NOT disappoint.
Hair down to my waist, parents constantly threatening to force me to cut it. Funny thing is I ended up going to a flat top in my late twenties then they told me it was too short (rolling eyes).
I remember old people crossing the street to avoid me. Cops pulling me over for no reason. As soon as I went to the flat top, the cops started smiling and waving at me for no reason LOL.
It was quite a shock to go from outcast to.....well...accepted.
I didn't do it for acceptance. Getting laid is much better motivation. Good luck getting any at a gay bar if you have long hair with a Slayer shirt. You see and dude with long hair at a fag bar and everyone's first though is.......DRAG QUEEN.
Not cool.
Anyway...high school...totally branded a Satan worshipper and drug addict because I was listening to old Metallica.
By senior year all the jocks were listening to them due to the "black" album and I had pretty much abandoned them at that point in favor of death metal.
Parents taking my cassette tapes away, me finding them.
My mom telling me I needed an exorcism (she was actually right, I did need one, still do :)
Muahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I look average now but that evil little bas***d inside of me will probably never go away.

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 10:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. GORECUNT writes:

Article is spot on. Yeah, I usually deck out for a show, and I'm almost always in a band tee on my downtime. But I also have to make money, so I wear the polos and the dress shirts and suits for clients and the office. Its about maturity, not conformity. And I'm a metalhead til I die.

Yes, when you're in school and you don't have any responsibilities yeah, deck out everyday! But just remember that in order to support yourself and your family, you gotta make money and in society, making money starts with dressing professionally. You don't have to stop loving the music, NEVER STOP LOVING THE MUSIC! Metal is the music, not the imagery, the imagery just helps promote the music. No matter what we wear, I don't care who you are or what you wear, Metal is the music that speaks to our hearts and minds.

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 12:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. R10 writes:

Good post Gore. Or you can get a job like me in the sewer/ water treatment biz,wear that Megadeth shirt too work without anyone giving a fvck! But i see what your saying. NP: Iced Earth/The Hunter

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19. deathbringer writes:

I agree with you Gore, in so far as having to dress the part. The bottom line is to act responsibly and that includes not self-sabotaging, which some metalheads do, whether by attitude or appearance (dress/ink/piercings). To some degree it is about conforming though - conforming to the rules and norms of society. If you don't want to conform to those rules, you better be in a forgiving field or up for the challenge you're setting for yourself (a steep uphill battle).

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 2:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. sonictherapy writes:

Some piercings are allright, but others go so far overboard that the person looks like an exotic national geographic creature. On the other hand, people need to think before they do things. My friend is a manager at a 7-11 and he told me that a woman came in and put a 40 ounce bottle of malt liquor and a brillo down on the counter - and then asked for a job application. Guess where that application went?

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 2:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. R10 writes:

Sonic,i got a couple of buddies who tat for extra cash. Professional ink,lower prices than a shop. They're always talking the youngins' outta getting that neck piece or the sh** done on your hands. Its all right if you have a behind the scenes job like me,but to mark yourself up like that? Not recremmended. I have some sh**ty assed ink i got done long ago i regret,but it doesnt effect or hamper my job. I dont work in the public eye,so im lucky. See where Gores coming from actually.

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 2:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. deathbringer writes:

Yeah, more than anything, first impressions count for a lot. Best to play it safe on the interview or application phase. Once you prove your worth and work ethic, it's usually ok to loosen up a bit. I have an eyebrow piercing that I wore to work when I got it and worked for a gaming company, but would never wear it to work at more professional jobs since then.

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 3:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. duncan hills writes:

i think this article makes some great points - although dress code seems to be the hot issue here, and i personally feel most comfortable when i'm "representing" my creed by wearing a black band t-shirt. however, being at university, i am aware that i don't always want to deck out in full atire (although seeing me in a diamond head/iron maiden t-shirt is not uncommon in lectures). whenever i go out to formal dinners, i do dress up in a shirt, and sometimes a tie - simply because i know it's not the place to be "representing" or making myself known as a metalhead, but rather a place where you focus on the conversation (and in my case, the food) with your friends.

even since black sabbath, metal has been an outcast genre. there are plenty of other outcast genres (i recently discovered the elitism of the "hipster" culture) but metal, for some reason seems to be hated. but at the end of the day, there's nothing you can do - it's all about taste, and in the case of music, as in the case of comedy, something which isn't to your taste is very annoying. so pop culture kids are always going to dislike metal, and i'm always going to hate justin bieber. that doesn't mean, however, that i don't respect pop kids' rights to listen to music that they like; some among them probably feel as attached to Ke$ha as i do to maiden.

but, one thing that i would really advocate is the banishment of some of this misconceptions and prejudices - people need to be exposed to this society and see that you can't lump a group of people together based solely on what music they listen to (especially as the term 'metal' is SUCH a broad umbrella). are they really willing to be exposed to metal? who knows. those that are... are bloody good people.

this probably sounds like a very rambling post. but the article really got me thinking. at the end of the day, music is but one facet of life, and shouldn't make a difference to who you get along with. a metalhead is someone you just have a bit more common ground with. doesn't mean you can't also be friends with the congregation next door.

:)

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24. GORECUNT writes:

duncan hills, you're right on! Honestly, I've never really dated another metalhead before (opposites attract). And while a majority of my close friends listen to metal, I also have close friends that don't.

f*** hipsters by the way. I was drinking with one of my bros, his girlfriend (at the time) and her gay friend. The gay dude got drunk, and proceeded to rant (with a lisp) about how some band called My Bloody Valentine was the best band ever that everyone should listen to, and therefore agree with him...then argued with the girl basically putting her down for disagreeing...It was extremely childish.

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 4:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. GORECUNT writes:

And Elda, I also listen to other genres (check out the "Confessional thread" in the forums), but I still classify myself as a Metalhead.

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 4:22 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. Nunya writes:

Hey guys he's right, i think that im gonna start listening to lady gaga! ; )
jk, good article

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 5:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. Ryanopuffs writes:

Good article man. They're 'Extremists' if I may say, in almost every idea, belief, and culture. Heavy Metal, in a sense, is just another one. In the public eye, it gets a bad name for stereotypes and biased, ignorant followers. Bad apples can spoil the bunch, but the public also sees the idea of Metal, as a whole, the wrong way. Its a mistake on both parts, defiantly.

Anyways, very well written.

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 6:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. Dasher10 writes:

Is this a bad time to mention that all that I wear is spiked bondage gear?

# Aug 31, 2011 @ 7:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. Drum_Junkie writes:

^lol
If you're saying it to make a pass @ BrianMN, then not a bad time.
If you're not interested in him that way, then it might have been a bad idea. :)

# Sep 1, 2011 @ 8:53 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. Josh_of_Doom writes:

When I walk down the street in some suburbs, some people still yell at me when they drive past 'get a haircut moffie' (moffie being the Afrikaans slang jibe for homosexual). It has happened to me since I can remember, I just live with it, I dont think you should have to change your personality for the sake of society or a job. Plus I find people who give me a hard time usually also give any other person who is different to them a hard time, be it Asian, Rasta, etc. You cant epect the whole world to conform to your vision of it.

# Sep 1, 2011 @ 8:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. BrianMN writes:

Sorry Dasher I don't usualy go for red heads. :)

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32. spiral_architect writes:

when i was a teenager in the 80's, i listened to a lot of black sabbath, dio and iron maiden. i usually wore an untucked button-down dress shirt while attending a mostly working class high school. now that i'm 41, i still listen to heavy metal, and have (mostly) given up the dress shirts in favor of metal band and horror movie shirts. i don't think anyone really discriminates against me because people are mostly wrapped up in themselves anyways. also, i feel better about myself now because i wear what i'm truly comfortable in!

# Sep 1, 2011 @ 12:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. R10 writes:

Kudos spiral! Only dress up here when i have to. Got a couple of dress shirts on the rack,when the time calls for it. Mostly metal tour shirts for this old schooler!

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34. spiral_architect writes:

too many "mostly's" in my previous post. i should have edited a couple of them out! :)

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35. GORECUNT writes:

You're good architect

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36. duncan hills writes:

josh, is jy afrikaans? :D

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