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Slipknot Bassist Paul Gray's Death Due To Morphine Overdose

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MSNBC.com has reported that Slipknot bassist Paul Gray, who was discovered dead in a hotel room on May 24th, died of a drug overdose. According to the report, Gray's autopsy revealed death was caused by an accidental overdose of both fentanyl and morphine. The autopsy also reportedly stated that Gray exhibited signs of severe heart disease. Police have stated that Gray apparently had no prescription for either drug, and that an investigation is currently under way to discover how they were in Gray's possession. Gray was survived by his wife, Brenna Gray.

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1. thegoosegoblin writes:

God. Damn it.

As predictable as that was, I'm still pretty upset. I mean, not only did he let down millions of fans world wide, but how many hundreds of thousands of nobodies are out there busting their asses trying to get gigs and would have worked their whole lives for a taste of the international exposure Slipknot had, just for him to go and throw away all of their accomplishments and potential?

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 7:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. Blindgreed1 writes:

Fentanyl = Synthetic Opium in case you didn't already know. Heath Ledger partook in the same drugs in his overdose. It seems to be the drug of choice for today's jet set.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 7:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. WOLF7 writes:

We all make our choices how to live this life.
It's terrible nevertheless.

I've only got 'Iowa' by Slipknot but what makes all of this something I want to comment is, for me the bass - the presence, sound, attitude - is a huge part of the album. And no matter what Slipknot recording you hear, the bass is very much present.

Paul definitely seemed like a very nice guy. Well.. we make our choices in life and we cannot live the lifes of others.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 7:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Blindgreed1 writes:

Wolf: I recommend the self titled CD. I know it's a lot to swallow comming from me, but those two are really thier crowning moments. If I had your email I'd send it to ya.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 7:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. Jimmy J. writes:

Damn I expected this in a way' but in a way it's so damn sad you know you had a good music career going a child on the way and you f***ing waste it BY A DRUG OVERDOSE. It's a hell of a way to throw away your life.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 7:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Blindgreed1 writes:

Actually, it's a fvcking pathetic way to throw away your life. Completely unrespectable.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 8:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. Trendkill91 writes:

Why is he even taking Morphine?
Gahhh I dunno.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 8:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Blindgreed1 writes:

TK: It's pretty clear to me that he took himself out. The c0cktail he prepared has only one outcome.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 8:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. Trendkill91 writes:

Yeah man.

I agree.
Thegoosegoblin made it pretty damn clear tho too.
Selfish to throw the life away that people only dream of.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 8:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. Blindgreed1 writes:

As someone who's lived the dream I can say for certain that it's much easier to stand up in front of 1,000's of people and play a set and act like a rock star than it is to be a good dad. It's unfortunate, but it's the damned truth. DB can back me up on that one.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 8:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Trendkill91 writes:

I really feel sorry for his Wife and Child on the way.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 8:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. Blindgreed1 writes:

Yeah, they're the one's on for a long haul. I'd support them any way I could.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 8:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. WOLF7 writes:

We all do stuff - not necessarily referring to drugs - and we are who we are and we are what we are.

What makes Paul Gray's death hard for me to take is, he is 90% clone of a friend of mine I once lost under "similar" the unclear circumstances.
In youtube Paul Gray 1972-2010 I see my friend.

I don't except any smart comments on this posting, cos I don't feel my post was very smart either. I just had to get this one off my chest.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 8:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. RTB writes:

Jesus, WTF is he taking morphine for?
The heart disease doesnt surprise me at all....dude had a terrible diet and didnt exercise worth a damn, but morphine...f*ck......stupid azz....
WYTF would he wanna check out though?
Baby on the way, successfull band, money up the azz.....something's not adding up...he was an addict, we all know that.....was that it?....

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 9:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Blindgreed1 writes:

Wolf: You did well my brother and I also feel your pain. Just being who I am, I too have lost many. Drugs are bad Mmmmkay...

RTB: As I said, it's obvious (at least to me)..

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 9:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. WOLF7 writes:

Love BG1. Love, Bro. And, thank you.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 9:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. METAL213 writes:

Not surprised it was caused by drugs, but didn't know he head a severe heart problem. This f***in sucks. R.I.P. Paul

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 10:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. Demise writes:

^ he smoked like a chimney and ate like John Goodman what person wouldn't have heart problems

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 10:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. killernofiller writes:

I am not surprised but bummed the fu(k out none-the-less. As one who has survived the pitfalls of booze/drugs, I can tell all of you that wonder "why" that you NEVER expect that last time to actually BE your last time. You're simply "chasing the dragon", trying for that higher high. I think it would be unfair to add that Paul had a "rockstar" mentallity, as every interview I've seen him in he's been humble and sincere. He was a man with dependancy problems, to which I can relate. All those who want to judge know nothing of the underlying causes, just as I know nothing about his motivations any more than he knew mine. But, as a bass player and forever recovering alchoholic/addict, I can relate to the man and understand the weakness that lead to his demise. I damn near took the "dirt nap" myself. RIP, Paul. I'll miss you, my man.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 10:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. deathfreak writes:

I saw this from a mile away.

# Jun 21, 2010 @ 11:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. hellrat writes:

yet ANOTHER fvcking p***y LOSER...

NO fvcking sympathy....

except for his poor wifey....like i said before, the kid will be better off without such a self indugent and negligent a$$hole fer a daddy

fvckin dumb fvcker...slipped the noose, eh?

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 2:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. RTB writes:

Greed, not questioning your philosophy, i think you might have something, but i gotta think, paul gray had a few more things tugging at him than just being an addict, thats why i say somethings not adding up...either way you spin it its a shame, i just cant believe dude was using morphine, that is just unbelieveable to me.....

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 2:20 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. this sucks writes:

damn drugs, when ur addicted, they grab u by the balls

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 2:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. hellrat writes:

Yo RT!

morphine is a fvcking opiate....you know this sh** brother!

not really too far removed from heroin....a junkie is a fvcking junkie, whatever the form they imbibe....

and how are YOU, brother red land man? gotcher email goin??

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 3:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. xDecapitation writes:

Hey it's a lifestyle choice and not many musicans get out of that cliche "Sex, Drugs, and Rock n Roll" mentality.

I don't personally lose any respect for him I was already aware this was inevitable, I do understand why hellrat is p***ed he threw his life away like that though.

I guess you could make the argument he wouldn't have the same life without drugs...but lets not get into that.

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 3:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. RTB writes:

HR, by the end of the week my brother.....
Things are well in the IE... NM still treating you well....
Im a cherry when it comes to drugs, never have never will, that's why i can never understand why people get so hooked and so juiced to the point were they end up tightroping with death....i ll never get it....

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 3:46 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. Reverend_Averatu writes:

What is it with American bands and drugs? You can almost hear it in their shallow carbon copy music. My heart pumps purple lumpy custard.

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 8:40 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@xDecapitation. How does being a muso infer a 'lifestyle choice'. In my limited experience, you have people who play in a band to get the chicks and the booze and drugs, and then on the other side you have people who make music. If you ant trouble, start a band with the former.

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 8:56 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. Southern_Bastard writes:

The fentanyl patch claims another life.....

This is a common way to overdose, because the patch is designed to release drugs over an extended period of time, by absorption through the skin.

But if you cut it open and eat the contents.... well,

it's an easy way to overdose

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 11:20 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. n0thinghead writes:

yeah, i heard about it on bubba the love sponge radio show this morning. i couldn't believe it. sux he was seemed like sucha good guy and yet, as BG mentioned, with that concoction there can't be any other result. and the article even says it, he didn't have any prescription for any of those drugs. PLUS he was in a hotel alone in his home town? sad to say it but goose goblin's rite =\

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 3:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. EsotericSurgery writes:

#1, Most people think they want fame and fortune and when it comes all they want is to escape it and return back to their "normal" lives. Look at how many famous people die from overdoses...money can't buy you happiness. They were all escaping something. It's called Elvis-Marilyn syndrome. The two most famous and beautiful people in the world died very alone and depressed. At the end Elvis was giving away brand new cars to strangers because he realized that giving to the less fortunate garnered a feeling that hording money for himself simply couldn't do. I don't think he (Paul) wanted to die per se...but he clearly didn't like wherever he was at or whatever he was going through. I prefer to stay optimistic and remember the great things Paul did for metal. \m/ Suicide or not, he will be sorely missed. Wish he could've solved his problems another way or gotten some help.

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 3:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. Metalheadx101x writes:

Its a tragedy every time a young man dies of drug addiction, but i cant help but think about how he threw away a life that thousands of aspiring musicians with bands (myself included) would kill to have. RIP Paul, but think of what could have been. You were a father.

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 6:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. xDecapitation writes:

Reverend, I suggest reading EsotericSurgerys comment because he obviously knows how to get a point across. I wasn't trying to make excuses for Paul, I was just trying to remind some of the guys who commented that life as a rockstar isn't what you would imagine, and to not be so harsh on the guy because he "killed himself" through an overdose. It seems to me like he was trying to escape, but I don't think he knew what he was doing when he mixed the drugs.

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 9:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. Trendkill91 writes:

xDecapitation - I don't really believe that tho man.
Where you make a valid point, It just doesn't make sense.

The dude was on drugs for a long time, went sober and cleaned himself up for his family and himself.
Why would he go back to that former self?

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 9:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. OlafBerzerker writes:

sad !

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 9:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. choronzon writes:

Why the f**k are people here so ready to judge someone they never met, and use their death as an excuse to spout anti drug bull?
As far as for Paul being inresponsible for leaving a wife and kid behind; yeah, its a low thing to do, but judging someone for not coping with life? that's even lower.
And I'm sorry, but if internation exposure and money is what we expect budding musicians to hope for, then what kind of state is the metal scene in? Yeah, maybe Paul didn't have a conventional life, and maybe he made bad choices, but hell, don't blame him for not living up to your expectations.
maybe some of you guys wanna get your heads checked before you make more "incisive" comments.

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 10:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. Demise writes:

^ when someone is in the public eye they give up the liberty of people not judging them. Its been like that for a long time and i don't see it changing

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 10:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. choronzon writes:

For even longer it's been thought that the artist is seperate from their art. Why can't we remember all the good and productive things he did in this life, and be inspired by them?
Then he can do some good in death, even if some people don't agree with the way he lived his life.

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 10:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. WOLF7 writes:

If he really did end his days, then it has to be seen as the most selfish, idiotic thing to do. He left an entire family behind, including his wife with a baby on the way, plus 8 guys he himself - at least in interviews - considered as his "brothers".

But, there is also another side to any level of addiction; There is that "on the edge" feeling, where any addict is just been drawn to the thought of "How Far can I go? How much stuff can I mix/use?". Or just that rockstar "f*** it, I can take anything" idealism. Just to even think about it, it must be quite a tempting idea, quite similar to the thought of driving your car down the road as fast as it goes being 100% confident that nothing's gonna happen.

Another point is, if you have been doing drugs for years, then gave up, And Then once again start using, the old dosis becomes absolutel lethal. This is basically what they say that took Michael Jackson out, not to mention so many others.

Oh well.. I guess we will never know. We just know the outcome, the rest is pure speculation. Sad ending, in any case.

# Jun 22, 2010 @ 11:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. RTB writes:

The guy was taking morphine....he OD'd on it.... we've commented on his poor decision and trying to figure out WYTF he did it.....how is that being judgemental and insensitive?...no one wanted to see paul go, but common, no one takes morphine as a recreational drug....and it looks from the outside self righteous suicide...sorry to say but, how else would you spin it? A tragedy, an accident, an unfortunante event....

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 3:08 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. EsotericSurgery writes:

RTB, the only point I have to add to that is I know (wouldn't consider myself friends with them) several people who use opiates on a recreational basis...morphine being the most popular because it's easily obtained through people who have prescriptions for it. Same goes for any prescription drug...like oxycodone (The REV anyone?)

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 3:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@choronzon, junkies are the lowest form of life on this planet, and I'm not about to feel bad for his choices. They give up their humanity and become slaves, lying cheating deceitful slaves to the master. And I'm yet to come across a recreational morphine/heroin user, its a myth. Look at Al Jourgensen, he sold his Ferrari and lived in his agent's lounge. Not many people can pull thru that.

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 5:34 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. choronzon writes:

Reverend_Averatu, the reason you've never met a recreational heroin or morphine user is probably because you dont go out looking for them, think how many people there are in the world man. just because you don't see something much, doesnt mean its a myth.
and hey, I'm not defending Gray as a person, i never met the guy, but the fact that he's being judged here by people who never knew him either, it saddens me guys.

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 6:41 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. metalhead644 writes:

FRACKING IDIOT. I hope this moron didn't have children... cuz if he did, he's the biggest p.ussy in showbusiness. this is no longer a tragedy. just some dumb @ss druggy killing himself.

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 8:37 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@choronzon. Having been forced to deal with many addicts in my time, and doing some study of the effects of drugs i can confidently say, physiologically it is impossible not to become completely addicted to opiates after the second go. It screws up your dopamine and serotonin levels among others, so you basically f*** up your brain chemicals, and need the drug to feel normal. Its like prescribing yourself anti psychotic drugs. I've known many people who 'just wanted to see what its like', and each and every one ended up a thieving lying junkie.

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 10:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. Reverend_Averatu writes:

The next big plague is not going to be a virus or bacteria, but drugs. Here in South Africa its reaching pandemic proportions, the local version of meth called 'Tik' is rampant, drug related crime is thru the roof. We do'nt need these American celebs glorifying drug abuse even futher.

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 10:23 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. hellrat writes:

RA--- i respect your points, but give the 'States bashing a rest will ya?

EVERY country has its idiots....much more importantly its greats as well

same goes for races and creeds....

i don't receive blanket assignments of 'blame' very warmly...and do not myself profess such

thanks for your consideration

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 10:43 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. WOLF7 writes:

"We do'nt need these American celebs glorifying drug abuse even futher"...

Reverend, where did you get that idea?

When you think of it, if someone in the show biz is glorifying drugs, it's the British, and it's been so since the days of The Beatles (through Stones, Zeppelin, Stone Roses, Oasis, Blur, The Verve, Muse, all have been openly stating how "cool" drugs are).
As a matter of fact, the Brits have the biggest "user" icons in Keith Richards, Pete Doherty and many others.

I find American musicians in general opposing drug use, something which has only increased after the loss of Cobain, Shannon Hoon, Layne Staley among many others.

There will always be drugs in the entertainment biz. But Are the American celebs glorifying drug abuse?
Absolutely not.

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49. hellrat writes:

also, what is 'glorified' about ending up discovered dead and alone due to the effects of a veritable pharmacopia of insidious poisons willingly consumed??

no, not a very pretty picture at all

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 11:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. RTB writes:

F*CK YA///USA..............USA USA

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51. RTB writes:

WE WIN!!!! MUTHAFAHQERS

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52. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@Wolf7. Name me some European musos how have died of an overdose of late? Which of the British bands excluding the Who, have had a member overdose? My country is over run with little pimp drug dealing 50cent Snoop dog wanna bees. Very much glorified. We've got kids killing kids in schools with Slip Knot masks on. American mainstream media effects the whole world, introducing all kinds of 'Memes' we just dont need. And we just have to eat it. when have you ever had South African media ramned down your pie hole.

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53. choronzon writes:

Reverend_Averatu, I think your making some very self assured statements without enough knowledge, i.e. your not a neuroscientist.
and maybe the reason all the people you know who tried it turned into 'thieving lying junkies' is because you have bad taste in company. Don't use some guys death as an excuse to spout your ill informed views on drug use.

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 11:56 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@RTB. Just to be clear, I'm not saying F the USA, i'm pointing out something i have noticed about American culture, I'm quite removed from it, a bit more objective. Some great metal comes from the US, I'm listening to Suffocation right now in fact, whereas the best thing we could come up with was Seether, yuk.

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55. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@choronzon. Drug abuse is quite a personal issue to me, so i wont go there. When you lose family members to heroin overdoses, gimme a shout and we'll banter some more.

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 12:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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56. Reverend_Averatu writes:

Still waiting for those names of European muso's who have died from od.

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57. WOLF7 writes:

Reverend, fair enough, there aren't many, if any recent ODs among european musicians. But, when it comes down to actually "glorifying drug abuse", which I thought was the question at hand, no one else on this planet praises drug "use" in the media as much as us stupid europeans, the Brits leading the choir.

The negative effect of the American media and culture, well that is another debate altogether, and on that I would have to agree with you.

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58. choronzon writes:

Reverend_Averatu. Sorry mate, I obviously crossed a line and that was out of order. What i've been trying to say is that no one here knew Paul Gray, so no one should be judging him on one decision he made. Drugs are like people man, some are good, some are bad, and you can't always tell. I apologise again, bro.
peace.

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 12:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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59. RTB writes:

I DONT GIVE A F*CK!!!!!!
I LUV THE MU
I AM DRUNK
HELL RAT IS MY NIGGA
NOTTINGHAM IS THE VP
BGREED IS THE KING OF PHOENIX
ES IS THE KING OF CANADA
BRANDED IS THE KING OF NC
THE MESSENGER, IS THE....THE MESSENGER
CAPS LOCK I RULE
PINTO IS THE KING OF HELL PASO
WOLF,KING OF FINLAND/ THE OTHER DUDESON
WILCO THE PIEDPIPPER OF HOLLAND
AND DEATHBRINGER....YOUR A HELL OF A GUY, AND I THINK YOUR DOING A HELL OF A JOB.......
USA!!!!!...IM DRUNK, AND IM CRYING..f*** IT!!!!!!!!

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60. WOLF7 writes:

LOL, RTB. Awesome, mate!

Erm... you're crying... ? :(

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 12:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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61. WOLF7 writes:

RTB, Got it, I just found out why. CONGRATS!!

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62. hellrat writes:

evidently i spoke to soon about respecting your points RA...you are now just spraying out your ass

the US is quite the most culturally diverse nation on the fvcking planet....to neatly roll it all up into that idiot 'american culture' joint you're smoking is the epitome of ignorant fallacy

what you allow to be 'crammed down your piehole' is YOUR fvcking responsibility....instead of subscribing to the media junk show you indulge, and misappropriating responsibility to justify YOUR citizens bad behavior, get the fvck out and get some direct education in the matter

you have never been here have you?

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63. hellrat writes:

and i fvckin love ya RT my brother!!! :)

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 12:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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64. Reverend_Averatu writes:

Erik Brødreskift 1999, Tommy Bolin 1976, Nick Drake 1974, John Entwistle 2002, Pete Farndon 1983, Paul Gardiner 1984, Dwayne Goettel(Canada, Skinny Puppy is one of my faves) 1995, Tim Hemensley(Aus) 2003, Rob Jones 1993, Phil Lynott 1986, Billy Mackenzie 1997, Jimmy McCulloch 1979, Robbie McIntosh 1974, Keith Moon 1978, Rob Pilatus 1998, Sid Vicious 1979, Rory Storm 1972, Gary Thain 1975, Enrique Urquijo 1999. Now lets define recent, as the most recent is 2003, and secondly, the list of Amercan deaths is way longer, check wikipedia. And the only 'Metal' name is Erik Brødreskift.

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 12:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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65. hellrat writes:

now its all clear....an armchair wiki professor

jesus fvcking hell

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66. WOLF7 writes:

@Reverend, I assume you didn't bother to read my post #57.

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67. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@hellrat. i remember a film called Natural Born killers, made by Oliver Stone. After that film came out, suddenly everyone is a expert on drugs, everyone wanted to be Micky and Malary. which also lead to an increase in a thing called called 'suicide by cop', which Perfect Circle also wrote a song about called the Outsider. Full metal jacket, also by Stone, also about tripped out guntoting idiots. That film with Jonny Depp as the writer in Las Vegas. At least you see the reality in Train spotting, dead babies and sh**ting the bed. I'm yet again not sayin Americans are bad, I'm pointing out a trend. No need to get defensive. Come to my country, and i'll show you culturally diverse, from what ethnic group are your neighbors?

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68. RTB writes:

I luv u mutha f***as!!!!!!! Wolf AND RAT
WE WIN AND IM OBlETERATED!!!!!!!!!!!!

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 12:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@Wolf7.I did read 57, thanx. To me the main issue here is the massive problem of drug abuse. Yet again, this is suppused to be an UNDERGROUND community, I'm pointing out a trend, a freaking observation!!
@Helrat, sorry my dad could'nt pay for Harvard, attack my character in stead of dealing with the facts then. When did i say America sux? The American Health department says 25% of Americans are obese, a trend, a fact. South Africa has the highest rape statistics in the world,atrend, a fact. I started by asking why American Musos are ODing, an observation, rip my face off will you. I find drug inspired music cold and shallow, so sue me.

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70. hellrat writes:

exceedingly weak arguments, not worth pursuing....you are evidently quite convinced...

hmmm...my neighbors? i grew up as a white minority in a small american town of primarily spanish and indian (33 individual tribes in my state) population....there is also an old french lineage there, strong swiss and austrian influence, mexicans, hippies, sihks, hindus, tibetan buddhists, creoles, etc...

as you mature, you will find that your generalizations will continue to backfire, and maybe gain the necessary insight to abandon them

good luck ;)

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71. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@Hellrat. generalizations? How many of these people do you interact with on a day to day basis? Calling 'Native Americans' 'Indians' is very telling of how culturally enlightened you are bro. I'm one of 4mil European 'setlers' in South Africa, less than 10% of the population. And if my arguments are so weak, why then you should squash me like a bug!!

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72. hellrat writes:

ha! yet another armchair 'expert' presumption....you just don't know when to shut it eh?

i deal with almost ALL of whom i mentioned on a weekly basis---the town is quite close knit

and our 'native americans' call THEMSELVES indians you preposterous fool

but please, keep on....yer doin a great job of squashing yerself, buggy boy :)

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73. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@Helrat. You say 'i don't receive blanket assignments of 'blame' very warmly'. 'Jews are stingy', Greeks have corner shops,(my wife is Greek), Islamists are terrorists, Brits have bad teath.
All this media we receive from America, Hiphop is an American thang. Do you see African Americans running around in lion cloths, cos i see snoop dog on every corner. I see teens With Curt Cobain t-shirts talking about how cool it was that he blew his brains out. "its better to burn out than to fade away" Cobain quoted Neil Young in his suicide note.

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74. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@Hellrat, yet again, attack character rather than dealing with tha facts.

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75. hellrat writes:

good lord....ya just can't kill it dead enough

go ahead! give yerself some more stomps fer good measure

loopy dude :)

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 1:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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76. Reverend_Averatu writes:

@Hellrat, which town you from, so i can look it up on Google earth, as armchair experts do. I'm from Johannesburg, South Africa. Our kids ride Elephants to school, and i have a pet Zebra.

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77. Reverend_Averatu writes:

you're obviously not used to being in adult company.

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78. hellrat writes:

and a hypocrite as well...ain't that the cherry on top ;)

if ya can't figure out the town i'm from from the plethora of FACTS i've provided you, then you are clearly not the 'expert' i esteemed you to be....apologies, my mistake!

but have at it, get your shameless last word in...i'm out

cheers :)

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79. WOLF7 writes:

I suppose all this means that we won't be finding Hellrat and Reverend in a Karaoke bar singing "We are the world" together in the near future.

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80. Reverend_Averatu writes:

I'll be taking my leave then. This is why i hate forums. Some prick on the other side of the planet thinks he's won the debate because he was willing to sling the most insults.

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81. hellrat writes:

nah, i ain't against it W7...but i don't do karaoke, i only sing for my own band

but the Reverend would certainly be welcome to join us up on stage....maybe he could do his version of 'America' for us, eh?

:)

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82. WOLF7 writes:

Reverend, come on... just opinions, mate. Opinions.

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83. xDecapitation writes:

lol Reverend is obviously very talented at googling sh**, and assuming the worst of other people. Let him live in his completely blind-to-the-world life and just ignore him.

# Jun 23, 2010 @ 2:26 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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84. xDecapitation writes:

Alos...were you hammered at noon RTB? :P

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85. hellrat writes:

xDecap...RT was hammered at like 8.30 this morning!!

it ain't even noon here yet now :)

oh RT brother....that's gonna leave a mark ;)

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86. Blindgreed1 writes:

I saw this comming a ways off with Reverend. "American rock stars always OD due to their education". Sad actually... I wanted to ask him a few questions about the scene down there.

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87. EsotericSurgery writes:

#52, " We've got kids killing kids in schools with Slip Knot masks on. American mainstream media effects the whole world, introducing all kinds of 'Memes' we just dont need."

There are crazy kids shooting up schools all across the globe...to say that Slipknot made those kids shoot other kids (or that Marilyn Manson made the kids at Columbine shoot up their school) is beyond insanity. Without getting too hostile here...you sir...are a fvcking idiot.

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88. RTB writes:

XDECAP...RAT....F*CK YA...at this point im in the midst of sobriety...USA! USA!

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89. OlafBerzerker writes:

Reverend, my sister has been in joburg/capetown for approx 6 years. Every year she comes home with cds of local bands for me to check out (thanking me for showing her the dark side that is metal). Im gona go with the Narrow over Seether........ I watched this guys interview that was posted not long ago and 2 things came to mind, Number 1 he seemed to be a pretty down to earth guy and number 2, he looked like a fiend. I wouldnt recognise this fella if he walked bye with his 8 buddies and scuffed my Jordans at a Motorhead concert. He had the winning lotto ticket and he traded it in for a motel room and some pills. I wrecked my knee 5 years ago during a performance (sports) and have never played since, no more screaming fans and no more living the dream. The doctor gave me a bottle of majic pills and i ate every last one of them. 4 weeks later i emerged from the shadows and never ate another pill (wich is surprising because of my addictive personality, me being a pisces and all). I had a good support group (family, friends,pets) and when things got bad i turned to metal and exercize...... When i was playing sport i used to listen to alot of bands to get me psyched up for the big game, Slipknot self titled was 1 of them so thank you for that..... respect goes to his wife and unborn child. As for mister Grey, i wish you would have found that turning point before you self imploded. Maybe in another life.

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90. FollowtheReaper writes:

Morphine is an EXTREMELY addictive drug. Somehow Paul got hooked on to it but i just wish he hadn't. I miss Paul as im sure every Maggot does.

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91. Trendkill91 writes:

Reverend - Are you trying to say that the US has a way of OD'ing more then any other place in the world?

I don't think that's true.
Just my opinion tho.

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92. Blindgreed1 writes:

TK: It's probably higher profile in the media here than in other places, but I disagree as well. Just because we don't hear about people in South Africa OD'ing doesn't mean it isn't happening. For fvck sake, you can throw a rock over there and the rock will pass through 3 different languages before in lands in the 4th.

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93. Trendkill91 writes:

BG - I agree completley man.

The fact is that deaths are televised in the states for hollywood stars, Muscians or anyone thats famous for the wrong reasons.
I don't think South Africa (no offence) has a hollywood or as big music scene as the US does.

What was the name of the Bloke that hung himself in South Africa? He was a Football/Soccer player.
It may have been Africa.

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94. WOLF7 writes:

I think Reverend was claiming US celebs have a bad influence on kids worldwide... well, whatever.
All I know is, I cannot think of a one positive, entertaining thing coming from South Africa, Instead, I can certainly think of plenty of negative things.

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95. Trendkill91 writes:

Yeah Wolf,

I would think South Africa would hold alot of violence.
I'm not to sure, I've never been there before. So im not one to comment.

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96. OlafBerzerker writes:

Charlize Theron is from S A ; ) yowsa !!!!! US celebs do have alot of influence on countries around the world. More bands, hollywood etc...etc... Not so much in S A for example, many many AIDS, crime is rampant, poverty...... the knot are huge, they have a good shtick and the music holds its own . This is big news in in alot of countries around the world wherever theres a maggot. the fact he died the way he did was a bonus for the media....

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97. hellrat writes:

holy shee-it, this has blown up a bit :)

i was trying to be gentle with the stupid kooky reverend....to give him a chance to be a stand up guy

but hell no...first he kicked his own stupid ass, and then just done tucked tail and run like a goddamned african coyote...yessir a regular fvckin jackal

well, since all you good people have ripped open this can of slimey worms...then, i will add

south fvcking africa has one of the most despicable histories and examples of nation on this good earth...to compare your bullsh** notion of 'minority' to mine is fvcking disgusting ignorance at its ugly worst....apartheid anyone? chauvenism? insidious racist tradition? violent crime and disease? and my fvcking favorite...HIGH FENCE GAME FARMS under guise of wildlife sanctuaries???

ALL the MANY cultures i mentioned that inhabit my place of birth and home are fvcking AMERICAN...equal rights and opportunity (illegal aliens can f*** themselves)...and freedom of speech and expression....and our wildlife are actually WILD and free ranging, and belong to the public of this wonderful land....North American Conservation trumps ALL of africa's shoddy history at 'wildlife management' at EVERY FVCKING TURN

again, what ANYONE allows themselves to be influenced by is their OWN fvcking responsibility...it is common fvcking sense...

instead of b!tching like a fvcking spoiled goon about how MY fvcking good country's 'culture' screwed yours, why not take action with dealing directly with the evidently stupid and overly impressionable (from your words) of yer own fvcking sh!tty demography?

because YOU yourself are too stupid, impressionable, and WEAK to make any fvcking difference at all???

yes, it strike me that that is indeed the pathetic case here

come up with something worthwhile reverend google bug, and then we'll have us a 'debate'

fvcking chump :)

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98. GREYBACK writes:

... interesting.

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99. hellrat writes:

not so much Grey....kind of boring and fvcking redundant

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100. Trendkill91 writes:

Hail Hellrat!

You just murdered that guy.
The poor fella was trying to make his country more superior to the US.
Should definatley run for the South African goverment and be the leader.
You'd make a good leader thinking your country is better then anyone elses.


You are commenting on how bad the States are and how they influence so many other countries.
How is that thier fault?
The only person to blame is the guy that put the pills in his mouth and swallowed.
I honestly think if you think your message will get across , do it a different way. Instead of laying down trash to other readers on this website.

Politics arn't a metal thing dude.
You might write back to this message , but in all honestly this should be left here.
Respect the music or hate it , I don't care but the dudes dead, have some class instead of accusing america for his demise.
It's wrong.

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101. Valentine_no_more writes:

Wow...You guys are talking crazy sh!t on here. Haha! It's F*cking messed up. lol. So much for mourning Slipknot's #2 guy.

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102. deadmisanthrope writes:

obvious from the fist that the cause of death of Gray was overdose
it `s really shame that the famous metaller die because of morphine
it damn f*** and really low
Still waiting for those names who have died of overdose
it `s damn to threw his life away like that though

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103. Persecution MIKE writes:

Let's hope for the band to split-up.

# Jun 24, 2010 @ 7:28 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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104. WOLF7 writes:

Let me say something positive here, cos I feel that is what's been left out here:

Paul Gray - just based on the few interview video clips here at MU - came from a very poor background. Not working class, but a step down, a working class without any work, yet he made something out of him. I'm not saying you need to be a rich rock stars to be "something". No, he persued his dream to play in a band and I am sure we'll all agree he certainly succeeded!
Someone like Paul Gray could have easily turned into a criminal, but he made something good of himself instead (whether or not you like Slipknot, they definitely have meant A lot for a lot of people, in a good way) and showed others that you can change your life for the better as well. If that is NOT a good influence, then what is?

The sad fact he went the drug route, well that was his personal choice and that's that.

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105. eraserhead writes:

So wolf are you saying that since he came from a poor background it makes it less selfish that he threw away his life with drugs and that his baby wont have a dad.

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106. Blindgreed1 writes:

eraser: No, that's NOT what he's saying. Read his posts for fvck sake.

deadmisanthrope: Welcome to the mighty MU young lady. ;-)

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107. KickAssDuke writes:

This is getting out of hand. Where is Mr. p***s when you need him? And why the hell does that crappy KISS advertisement keep popping up? KISS can kiss my hairy ballsack.

NP - Porcupine Tree - Sleep of No Dreaming

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108. Blindgreed1 writes:

Duke: DB's gotta pay the bills somehow man.

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109. Trendkill91 writes:

I'm not trying to argue with anyone.

I agree with everything Wolf says.
We should not be pushing this thread out anymore only because it's getting Paul more punches to the face.

Poor guy has passed away , we should be a little bit more respectful and let him Rest.

As for the drug thing, My only protest was how someone can blame a nation for his death?
That just sh!ts me.

RIP,Even if you don't agree with me I don't care. I have nothing more to say

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110. xDecapitation writes:

lol...GO CANADA!

:D

# Jun 25, 2010 @ 2:58 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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111. Anon writes:

Addiction is a disease and that last time can happen to any addict. No way he deliberately threw his life away. We should have respect. Coming from personal experience, when I was stuck in the cycle of addiction, all the money and success in the world, family, girlfriend, etc. wouldn't have stopped me from using. When someone's caught in the cycle, they simply have no choice. Paul Gray may have initially chosen to do drugs, but that power of choice disappears once addiction takes over. Paul Gray was an awesome person, but one of the many sad casualties of the disease. He will be missed.

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112. Bloody Rotten Corpses writes:

Oh my Gawd reminds me of the bassist for my band who decided to " Do Away" with himself. But Paul didn't do this on Purpose... Right? Anyways, RIP Paul

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113. blankstatue writes:

dude thank f***ing god now hopefully slipknot is not smart enough to replace the man under the mask its not like he was any good to begin with he had no distinct sound solos or presence that made him distinct from any other member in the band he was truely a fa**ot yes he made mad dough but that still does not cover having no technical skill or being a pioneer bassist my hopes are the band splits

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