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Abigail Williams Drops Off Napalm Death Tour

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Abigail Williams will apparantly no longer be a part of Napalm Death's big tour of North America. Replacing them on the bill will be Coliseum. Still on the bill are Toxic Holocaust, Kataklysm and Trap Them.

The tour dates are as follows:

April 10 - Allentown, PA @ Crocodile Rock
April 11 - New York City, NY @ Gramercy Theater
April 12 - Springfield, VA @ Jaxx
April 13 - Cincinnatti, OH @ Madhatter
April 14 - Rochester, NY @ tba
April 15 - Sudbury, ON @ Serbian Center
April 17 - Worcester, MA @ New England Metal And Hardcore Festival
April 18 - Syracuse, NY @ Lost Horizon
April 19 - Sayreville, NJ @ Starland Ballroom
April 20 - Virginia Beach, VA @ tba
April 21 - Spartanburg, NC @ tba
April 22 - Nashville, TN @ tba
April 23 - Atlanta, GA @ Masquerade
April 24 - Raleigh, NC @ Volume 11
April 25 - Jackson, MS @ Swell Skateshop
April 26 - Austin, TX @ Emos
April 27 - Houston, TX @ Meridian
April 28 - San Antonio, TX @ White Rabbit
April 29 - Fort Worth, TX @ Ridglea Theatre
April 30 - Albuquerque, NM @ Sunshine Theatre
May 1 - Tucsonm AZ @ tba
May 2 - San Diego, CA @ SOMA
May 3 - Los Angeles, CA @ Key Club
May 4 - San Francisco, CA @ Grand Ballroom
May 5 - Portland, OR @ Hawthorne Theater
May 6 - Seattle, WA @ Studio 7
May 8 - Colorado Springs, CO @ Black Sheep
May 9 - Denver, CO @ Marquis Theatre
May 10 - Des Moines, IA @ tba
May 11 - Milwaukee, WI @ tba
May 12 - St Louis, MO @ Fubar
May 13 - Chicago, IL @ House Of Blues
May 14 - Cleveland, OH @ Peabodys
May 15 - Toronto, ON @ Opera House
May 16 - Ottawa, ON @ Babylon
May 17 - Montreal, QC @ Fourfounes
May 18 - TBA @ TBA
May 18 - Quebec City, QC @ Imperial

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1. Jenny writes:

That must suck for the people who wanted to see them. That's ok though, it should still be a good show; however, if there's a bad reason for the drop off I'm curious as to what it is.

# Feb 26, 2009 @ 9:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. GoreGrinder writes:

Napalm Death RULE....Abigail Williams SUCK!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!

Now watching: Deicide - Doomsday L.A.

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 1:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. Gore Master writes:

NAPALM DEATH RULES cant wait to see them in atlanta

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 8:57 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. ChassMasterPlus writes:

abigail williams is the black dahlia murder on crack, gore grinder, though i may not agree with what u say, i will defend to the death your right to say it....but for real they rock pretty hard

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 10:07 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. FocusShift writes:

Chass, that's a little dramatic bro, its just a forum =P.

I have to disagree on Goregrinders comment as well though, Abigail is one of my favorite bands. They have an intense live show.

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 12:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. GoreGrinder writes:

Chass and Focus, sorry but u guys are not gonna convince me!!! I will be @ the May 4th show in San Francisco and I'm glad I don't have to see Abigail perform. Stay Brutal!!!!

Np - OBITUARY -"Internal Bleeding"

# Feb 27, 2009 @ 2:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. ChassMasterPlus writes:

.......asps are on their way in the mail....straight to your door step....good day

# Mar 1, 2009 @ 10:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Blackmetalgoddess writes:

GOOD!!!!!!!!!! I've seen Abagail Williams and they are atrocious! Black metalcore = bullsh*t.

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 3:09 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. ChassMasterPlus writes:

your door step as well....enjoy

# Mar 2, 2009 @ 9:50 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. Blackmetalgoddess writes:

and your heart on a spit...sweet dreams.

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 3:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. GoreGrinder writes:

^HAHAHAHAHAHA Good one Black Metal Goddess!!! NAPALM DEATH=LEGENDS,
Abigail williams=CRAP!!!! Its gonna be a great show......

Np - MORBID ANGEL -"Praise The Strenght"

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 4:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. ChassMasterPlus writes:

touche'......the round goes to you blackmetal one. but gore grinder, ur still gettin those snakes, and a panda in your cereal. that next bowl of sugar smacks could be your last

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. DeathInEye writes:

I still don't hear the 'core' in Abigail Williams. I think people get it from their image since they're not decked out in armor, corpse paint or biker threads.

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:52 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. Fuck_A_Name writes:

^I hear the metalcore in this band. ThoughI cant quite pinpoint that quality that makes it so...

It's that certain indefinable sound that is the token of metalcore, thatI hear in there, nothing specific. Like the black Dahlia murder. I would say BDM are more or less death metal at first glance, but they too have that indefinable metalcore sound dashed on top that throws me off entirely sometimes.

Honestly, I wish I had Cynic or RememberMetal? here, they would know what it was.

I need an adult!- family guy

Napalm though, can tour with whoever the f*** they want, they've earned it, and I'll go see them if they come through anyway.

Now Playing: Rumpelstilskin Grinder- Spyborg

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 10:26 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. GoreGrinder writes:

Spazz masterbater plus, sorry dude, but I just had a bowl of cereal and I seem to be ok. Maybe next time tho u Mallcore kid!!!!


Np - VENOM -"war Head"

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 2:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. ChassMasterPlus writes:

ugh, just for the record i spit on the mall core kids (at the mall ironically enough). and yes abigail has the metal core backings, but deathineye has a point, i may dig AW, but at least i dont do it dressed up in leather and spikes like im about to get whipped and corn holed by some enormous swedish woman for her entertainment. not to say i dont like black metal but jesus that f***ing image is one i could do without, i just cant take those people seriously

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 7:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. GoreGrinder writes:

Spazz Master: I don't ever recall saying that I dislike A-W because of their image u f***en idiot! I don't care about image! I would still not like them if they wore leather and spikes with Corpse Paint. It's been clear from the start that I don't like they're music....not cuz of they're image. Get ur facts straight u moron, and props to REAL BLACK METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!
This song goes out to you!
Np - MAYHEM -"DEATH CRUSH" You fagget!!!!

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 8:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. ChassMasterPlus writes:

wow, someone just took things a little too seriously and had a bit of a temper tantrum. take it easy little guy im sure someone has a pack of fruit snacks to calm you down. DOES ANYONE HERE HAVE A JUICE BOX OR SOMETHING FOR THIS f***ING KID!

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. ChassMasterPlus writes:

p.s. i never once said AW was REAL BLACK METAL....or even ANY kind of black metal for that matter. so hows a bout YOU get YOUR facts straight u cry baby....it setriously sounds like a flock of "wah-wahs" or flyin through

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. Jenny writes:

Clearly this got way to personal. Lighten up dudes. :) I personally like some AW, in fact I recently got into them a while ago. Funny thing is that I found the vocals to be really screamo like. I like some of their songs. Either way, there is no reason to fight about it and make personal attacks. Leave that to the trolls.

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. ChassMasterPlus writes:

what? why does everyone keep saying you guys....im not fighting, im jsut an 18 year old kid who loves to piss people off. i could give 2 sh**s if he likes them or not, i just take relish in the fact that some people are pathetic enough to actually care what complete strangers on the internet have to say to them. but yeah i can kind of see what your saying about the vocals, still love'em though

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. THE LORD OF METAL writes:

GoreGrinder wishes he was Jack Black..."stay brutal"? You gotta be kidding me...

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. GoreGrinder writes:

The only cry baby here is YOU!!! U get all cheek sore cuz I said ur favorite lil band sucks and then u make ur lil kittie threats. Ur not scaring no one buddy so don't be trying to offer my ur lil kid snacks that ur momma packs for u every morning!!!!

P.s. ur the idiot that brought up the Black Metal issue!!!!

Np - NILE -"smashing The Antiu"

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. THE LORD OF GRAMMAR writes:

btw Jack "goregrinder" Black...they're = they are; you need to use their to show ownership. stay douchey

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. ChassMasterPlus writes:

??? dude, check it...
1.i never said they were anywhere NEAR my favorite band
2. i said i would put A f***ING PANDA BEAR IN YOUR CERAL. anyone who takes something like THAT seriously should be thrown into a f***ing psyche ward
3. ur mothers a whore

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. THE LORD OF KEEPING IT REAL writes:

I didn't realize that saying what you were listening to was an awesome way of showing off...

NP - the elmo song. lala la la lala la la, elmo song

stay muppet guys

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. GoreGrinder writes:

Hahaha who's the p***ed off one?! I'm through with u dude.....

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. ChassMasterPlus writes:

obviously not, u jsut posted something...and im grounded and sittin here with a full bottle of faygo and a big a$$ bad of doritos, i can nerd out and flame retards with this lord dude all night

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. GoreGr1nder writes:

I like guys. as lovers.

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. ChassMasterPlus writes:

hahahahahha what?^^^^sh**s clever

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. DeathInEye writes:

The "core" in this band is so minimal that I guess I refuse to label them so. I hear Americanized symphonic black metal from a young and growing band emerging out of the 'Core" era. I like them and will continue to unless they destroy their sound as opposed to expanding it.

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 10:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. The LORD OF COMMON SENSE writes:

You kids spend so much time labeling the music...do you ever just stop and listen to it?

# Mar 3, 2009 @ 11:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. Bruno Hockalugie writes:

Someone messing with my cereal?
That makes me a sad Panda.

# Mar 4, 2009 @ 12:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. XWigglesX writes:

Leave the Pandas alone. Haha such a junkie animal! Internet=serious business derrrrr.

# Mar 4, 2009 @ 5:36 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. Blackmetalgoddess writes:

To comment #31, they are NOT coming out of the "core" and headed towards Black Metal. They are destroying the pure sound of Black Metal by bringing "core" into it. Mixing short hair with jeans and t-shirts with core screaming isn't going to cut it. Metal core is mixed with Black Metal and it sounds like SH*T. Black Metal is about self preservation not mongoloid kids playing around with "core" vocals/safe fashion trends and Black Metal riffs to create a bastard album just as they did.

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 2:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. Fuck_A_Name writes:

"You kids spend so much time labeling the music...do you ever just stop and listen to it"

We do listen to it. Seriously. intensely. almost nuerotically. hence, the almost obsessive compulsion to pinpoint exactly what the sound is.

the now playing thing, yes, it's a way of showing off (haha look whatI'm listening to look how awesomeI am), but, it's more useful as a way of introducing other people to new bands, and of showcasing your own musical tastes, which is what most people on this site seem to use it for.

Also, it's a nice conversation starter sometimes (oh dude! you listen to THAT band! me too! blah blah blah blah etc.)

Now playing: cilice- God of Lies

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 2:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. Blackmetalgoddess writes:

Hence the word "kids". Kids don't know much about metal. They spend most of their time not being able to explain their reasoning for even liking something called "metal".

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 2:15 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. Netromancer writes:

F.A.N. pretty much spelled it out.

I love that alot of us use the "Now Playing" as a P.S. It's honestly one of things that drew me to this site. I've discovered quite a few bands, and also had the chance to let other like-minded folks know what I listen to. I think it's great that we can get to know new people and in the same way be exposed to new music.

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 2:20 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. Fuck_A_Name writes:

I really cant stand the whole segregationist attitude of purity in black metal honestly BMG. Without Behemoth mixing death metal with their originally black metal sound, I wouldnt have one of my favorite bands in the world right now in the same condition of musical insanity that they currently are.

Skeletonwitch are one of the premiere thrash bands out right now, and they not only use everything from slayer-style thrash to anthrax, and then some dragonforce riffing thrown in, but also mix it with plenty of black metal chords all throughout, creating one of the most interesting sounds I've heard in a long time.

Goatwhore? blackened death metal anyone?

Maybe metalcore is the wrong genre to mix it in right now, esppecially since only one band is doing it, and the sound may not be entirely the way it should be done for a first try. I dont know, like I said, the metalcore in their sound throws me off just enough to the point that depite thinking the band is alright, I dont like them enough to care to nab any of their music outside of adding their band to my myspace friends.

Decent, but not worth my time, especially when I have bands like Carcass and Origin to keep me occupied on my new music craze. :P

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 2:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. Blackmetalgoddess writes:

Thrash and Death metal compliment with Black metal. This is why an infinate number of bands sound so brutal and heavy, i.e. Behemoth, Desaster, Dissection, old Darkthrone (death transition to black), Raise Hell, Sadistic Intent, Devian, BibleBlack, list goes on that bands can include all elements of Black, Thrash and Death. Goatwhore is one but i've seen them so MANY times that i'm completely sick of them. I've renamed them "Publicity Whore" because they open for just about any band out here in California. Metalcore just doesn't mix well because it's got that sound of "wanting to be hard/tough guy" but falls short; especially the breakdowns, that just belongs to hardcore and should stay there. It doesn't flow and especially when you add the clean vocals, that really kills it. The Americans can't really do it well because it's not bonafide singing such as Vortex of Dimmu. He has a great voice and when namely American metal bands try this, it's screetchy with falsetto breakups that are annoying. Americans just don't understand Blackmetal in it's entirety. It is subjective of coarse, and if you like it fine but from an objective view, I believe that metalcore shouldn't mix with Blackmetal at all. Sounds like segregation but it's not so when it's with Death and Thrash.

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 7:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. XWigglesX writes:

Nah you can keep the tough guys we don't want them. Actually nah we'll have them.
Melbourne has becoming very violent lately, but no one ever says anything to people coming out of a hardcore show when there is a bunch of heavily tattooed men hanging out the front. Hahaha

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 8:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. Fuck_A_Name writes:

^good hardcore actually HAS people who are badass. even the band's, including the bad ones, have members thatI wouldnt mind having on my side in a good bar-brawl.

metalcore though...buncha whiney kids who think they're sooo fooking metal, and a few guys who actually believe in what they're doing. I have yet to see a single metalcore band that makes me think "violence"

when I think violent, actualy, I think Converge or Napalm Death. When I think metalcore(unearth/all that remains), I think, that might be a decent pit, but only because half my friends are beating the crap out of all the 13 year olds in it. :P

BMG: I actually had the same sort of reasoning run through my head as soon asI read over my post. those bands work because those genres have common elements, in both mentality and music, while metalcore is sitting there staring at black metal from outside of the spectrum altogether. Like I said, I havent heard any other bands that have tried it, and i dont listen to Abigail at all really, sO I cant legitamately say whether the music has any potential. so far, it's a novelty to me at best, and something to be ignored at it's worst. "Blackcore", as silly as it sounds, just doesnt offend me as much as say...Nu-metal does. I can tolerate, and maybe one day appreciate something like Blackcore; I'm not crazy about keeping music seperate in their respective genres, but then again, my screenname isnt "BLACK Metal goddess" :)

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 9:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. XWigglesX writes:

Lol same FAN.
Converge also make me think of violence. Its so intense

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 9:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. Dark_Funeral writes:

i like broadcasting my musical tastes! even though the only thing i ever play is black metal...
...and f***ing DMX!

anyone who associated the word tough with metalcore needs a new set of hearing aids.
Go look at as i lay dying or the chariot or horse the band and tell me those angsty teenage kids look tough in their tight girl pants and pink v neck shirts with their flatcaps.

np: Darkthrone- In Vind av Sorg
MY FAVORITE DARKTHRONE SONG WEEEE
LOOK AT ME IM BROADCASTING MY MUSICAL TASTES

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 10:08 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. Dark_Funeral writes:

and goregrinder? dont tell me you listen to all that sh** about raping people with meat hooks and cumming banana yogurt on a possum's corpse in the middle of the road. i hate those f***ing bands.
Gore grinde..."slamming" gore groove, and any sub-genre with the word "gore" anywhere near it is absolutely f***ing terrible.
"WHATS UP TEXAS WE'RE KILL BABYS RAPE GRANDMAS, AND THIS SONG IS CALLED VAGINAL FARTS FROM A BABY CAMEL'S ANUS! LET ME SEE A BIG PIT!"
-insert 3 count and instant blast beats accompanied by pig squeals and indeciferable gutterals followed by a "BRUTAL" breakdown here-

and dont get me started on their rediculous album art.
"hey guys, here's an idea. Lets draw a whole bunch of naked girls(as awesome as that is) with worms for tits getting f***ed by mutant cows with gorilla d***s spilling blood everywhere. and make sure our band name is impossible to read. oh and make sure that the girls are decayed, moldy, and oozing puss everywhere. In fact, tear their faces off. Yeah. Br00tal."

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 10:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. GoreGrinder writes:

Dark Funeral, I think we have almost the same taste in Metal...and I also used to listen to DMX. I do like some of the gore type Death Metal but not the stuff that is over done with bull sh** bands who are trying to be Cannibal Corpse!!!

Np - Belephegor -"Stigma Diabolicum"

# Mar 5, 2009 @ 10:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. XWigglesX writes:

The singer for Her Nightmare would be great to have on your side in a rumble.
Dude won Australia's strongest man a bunch of times and is entering Worlds's Strongest Man. Mad as.
DF I agree with you about gore-grind and all that ridiculous imagry. Its just bullsh**.
Oh look at us we're so dark and evil. We pig squeal and all the cr00sh kids get mosh to us, even though they'd have no idea what real hardcore is.
f*** them bands and kids

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48. ChassMasterPlus writes:

hahahahah dark funeral thats one of the best things ive read all day

# Mar 9, 2009 @ 2:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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49. Cynic writes:

"i may dig AW, but at least i dont do it dressed up in leather and spikes etc." - Hey I'd rather look like that than a bunch of emos.

To me AW sound like another band realizing the -core trend is dying and so they're trying to latch themselves onto traditional metal genres. But as I said, I don't have problems with people listening to metalcore bands, I have problems with them trying to tell me they're metal when they're not/tell me they have no -core in their sound. It's dishonest to try and gain metal cred by doing this and incredibly frustrating.

The vocals are very much -core. As FAN wanted me to explain the nuances - (after listening to 2 tracks, one new and one old "Carrion Birds"), every know and again a second vocal line will come in behind the first, very deep sounding and distorted (sort of a morphing of the nu-metal trend). The enunciation is probably the most importing thing, the screams are very much -core. Most of the screams/lines are very similar so that they end on the same pitch which is a common trait. Another is slowing down the line, performing one word per beat and ending on a big scream.

Musically "Carrion Birds" contains the obvious metalcore traits - simplified Gothenburg riffs, disguised breakdown about 2:37 in, same vocal traits etc. But yes, they do have a very strong melodic death/black metal influence.

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50. DeathInEye writes:

I'd love to debate this more but I've phased into a Philip Glass fascination lately, so these guys/gal aren't fresh on my mind. But with that said, I will concede the vocals are -core, and admit my errors. However, I think I'll still hold my position that they are more black metal than -core. And just to be clear, I don't mind -core. Deathcore was fascinating to me for about the past year and half, and I still actively listen to Shadows Fall, ASP, Bleeding Through, Parkway Drive, BTBAM etc.... So I'm not debating because I see it as an insult like others. I simply find it so miniscule that it need not be scrutinized, because I honestly predict that it won't even be present in an album or two.

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51. DeathInEye writes:

Oh, and the bands I listed I picked as a generic representation of -core sound, not a listing of strictly deathcore bands.

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52. Cynic writes:

We're on the same page then, especially the new stuff is musically not core in any way, more CoF inspired extreme black/symphonic/MDM. The same position as The Black Dahlia Murder really (not musically just in terms of their past). Haven't heard any Philip Glass - any recommendations?

# Mar 9, 2009 @ 7:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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53. DeathInEye writes:

He's a contemporary minimalist (though he apparently hates the term minimalist) classical composer. He does a lot of movie scores. My favorites so far are a score he wrote for a movie called the Hours, his piano Etudes vol. 1, 1-10, and Koyaanisqatsi.

# Mar 9, 2009 @ 7:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. FocusShift writes:

Wow.

This thread got retarded the week I was away.

So here's the deal: If you can pick out what the core aspects of this band are, please do me the favor and point them out.

Because I don't think you can.

Breakdowns & clean production =/= core.

Let's see here: Black metal riffs, Melodic black metal choruses, symphonic and classical orchestration, anti-Christian lyrics, BM shriek vocals and DM grow vocals, Operatic clean vocals when they occur, sweeping and neo-classical solo work, constant double bass drumming along with blast beats and technical work outside of the double bass.

Want to know why this band is core? They're American, they have breakdowns, they have clean production, and they're a young popular band playing with larger "traditional" acts.

So sweet justification for calling them core. I'm not saying you have to like Abigail but heaven forbid a band you don't like gets thrown into your genre. Suck it up, it happens alot.

# Mar 9, 2009 @ 11:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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55. Fuck_A_Name writes:

"Musically "Carrion Birds" contains the obvious metalcore traits - simplified Gothenburg riffs, disguised breakdown about 2:37 in, same vocal traits etc. But yes, they do have a very strong melodic death/black metal influence."

CYNIC just pointed that out in post 49. The specific traits thatI can never remeber the details of in order to describe that almost annoying sound that metalcore brings with it sometimes.

The vocals, the gothenburg riffage, and breakdowns galore are staples of metalcore. But then every other quality of the band is taken from black metal, hence the labeling of black-core.

BTW, no one said that they were strictly metalcore, or that they were more MC than black metal, merely that the sound of that genre was pervasive enough to those that notice the distinctions. You're trying to disprove a point that wasnt being made. :P

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56. DeathInEye writes:

Also from the all-knowing Cynic: "We're on the same page then, especially the new stuff is musically not core in any way, more CoF inspired extreme black/symphonic/MDM." haha

This thread has become as pointless as that one Deicide where someone *cough* me *cough* decided to debate "relevance."

btw the -core sound in anything AW is irrelevant! (sarcasm)

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57. FocusShift writes:

I wasn't arguing to disprove that they were metalcore; I was arguing that the basis for any reference to them being any kind of -core band is ridiculous.

But whatevs, as you said, its not important.

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