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The Acacia Strain: "We Aren't Deathcore"

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The Acacia Strain vocalist Vincent Bennett recently did an interview with website Metal Sucks in which he expressed his distaste that the band has been labeled "deathcore." An excerpt from the interview follows:

Metal Sucks: What do you think about the “deathcore” label? Do you think it describes The Acacia Strain? Do you embrace the term or is it a “dirty word?”

Vincent Bennett: I have said it a couple of times: deathcore is the new nu-metal. You see the same kids and the same ethic. It sucks. And if anyone calls us “deathcore” then I might do something very bad to them. We aren’t deathcore. We are heavy. Any band that calls THEMSELVES deathcore should not be writing music. It just goes to show you that the weak minded need to label things.

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1. Booots writes:

Are they not Deathcore?

# Jan 7, 2009 @ 9:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. Netromancer writes:

I can see where he is coming from about the whole "deathcore" name. People will consistently look for new ways to label music and as it evolves new names will come up and others will drop by the wayside. It's up to the band themselves to stand the test of time and show they can move beyond the labels. Words don't mean much, either the labels or the stance against them, the music should speak for itself. Focus on that, Vince, and you should have no problems.

# Jan 7, 2009 @ 9:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. Cynic writes:

"We are heavy" - "the weak minded need to label things". The true weak minded hate being labelled because they fear negative reaction to their music. They're not even in the Metal Archives so they can't be that heavy...

# Jan 7, 2009 @ 9:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Rake writes:

^Dude are you on glue? "They're not even in the metal archives so they can't be that heavy" uh dude listen to their music before you judge them. I'm not a fan of these guys but their music is heavy, it's pretty sh**ty but their stuff is heavy. These guys are definately deathcore too.

# Jan 7, 2009 @ 9:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. Terminator writes:

^ key word there is METAL archives. music has evovled where metal is now not the only type of heavy music.

"And if anyone calls us “deathcore” then I might do something very bad to them" - the weak minded result to violence for being described inacurately by "useless and irrelevent" labels. the strong minded give an honorable attempt to intellectually dispute the claim by disproving it.

typical deathcore band.

# Jan 7, 2009 @ 11:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. psythe writes:

"it's pretty sh**ty but their stuff is heavy" - havnt listened to them, and probly wont, but you may well be confusing heaviness with low tuning. the latter doesn't necessarily constitute the former. you need more than just drop-c guitars to be heavy.

I could be wrong here, but as I said, havnt heard the band. I'm making a complete and utter assumption. I hope I'm wrong. Really.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 12:08 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. Terminator writes:

idk, i kinda see severely down-tuned guitars as the poor/cheap man's heaviness. its easy to down-tune and use excessive amounts of distortion and gutless, emotionless screaming to create a heavy sound....but it takes leagues more than that to be metal.

deathcore is heavy, but its no where near the quality, musicianship, skill, etc. of metal.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 12:19 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Terminator writes:

btw, ive heard the acacia strain before. i dont remember it, so im guessing that it was very boring and stale.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 12:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. Tomo writes:

They are pretty heavy, based on there latest album. But its not metal.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 2:29 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. Cynic writes:

You were right to call me out Rake heavy wasn't the right word. What I was trying to say was that by distancing themselves from deathcore and labeling themselves just "heavy" (i.e. blatant hypocrisy nearly in the same sentence) they're trying to dodge the deathcore bullet. Heavy is a word associated with metal, so I took it rejecting deathcore and trying "heavy" is aimed at trying to be metal. - if that made sense.

But I'll give him one thing, deathcore is the new nu-metal.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. IrishMetal writes:

I don't mind the Acacia Strain, haven't listened to them in a while though.

But this rant is just stupid, so I'm now gonna re-label my files as the genre deathcore haha

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 5:26 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. dontclose_youreyes writes:

In response to post 3, you are wrong, it is those who are consistently how "metal" a band is and agonising over what label to pigeonhole bands into that are weak and pathetic. Real fans of music don't care about labels, if a band is good, then that is that, as opposed to judging how well they fit into a genre.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 6:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. bbristowe writes:

God damn this band. Not ground breaking at all. Just the same run of the mill "heavy". Although, I gotta admit I like the feel of combine.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 6:26 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. acacia writes:

there is no such thing as deathcore its just all media bullsh**, plus they dont play in drop c, psythe get your f***ing facts straight before you open you fat inbred mouth you trailor trash piece of sh**
majority of fags on this site just talk out there ass, only person thats made any sense on this topic is dontclose_youreyes

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 7:16 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. DaveTheViking writes:

"everyone was using quotes so i thought i would join in and make one of my own" :D
Ive seen them live.......sadly. Boring is not a strong enough word to descibe it.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 8:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. Blindgreed1 writes:

My band plays both kinds of music... Dark and heavy. We even printed that on the back of our T-shirts. It's a direct quote from Clyde (our singer). He's a d!ck, but man that guy is epic.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 11:45 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. BurnThePriest writes:

In response to Post 12,
I couldn't agree any more man.
If you really have a love for music.
i wouldnt really care about no dumb label.
if they are good.
thats that.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 1:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. Cynic writes:

Ok here we go this is my classic defense of genres speech I pull out every so often.
Labels/genres are just descriptions of the type of music bands play - just like metal,
country or rap. I'm sure if the p***yfooters here had there way, life would be a bit
like...

Me - "Hey have you heard the band Nile? They're a awesome brutal/technical death meta-"
You - "WTF? Are you some kind of elitist labelling freak? Don't pigeonhole bands!"
Me - "Oh... sure whatever, anyway they play death met-"
You - "Whats wrong with you?? Don't you just love music for music?!"
Me - "Er.. ok.. I guess... they're heavy? Sort of... metal?"
"Ah excellent, the perfect amount of waffle! Now I have abso-f***ing-lutely no idea what
the bands sounds like making this whole conversation redundant! What a perfect world!"

I got sick of wasting $30 buying "metal" bands cds when I was 15 - there are more bands out
there than is possible to visit myspace pages and waste 30 seconds of my life listening to
garbage. I like technical death/thrash - and I'll be damned if the best way of finding new
bands isn't to talk with people like Terminator to find new bands I like that fit my
tastes.

@acacia - No such thing as deathcore? Well not that you didn't invalidate your post by
acting like a 12 year old but that certainly did it. If you can't hear a common thread
among bands that people normally state as deathcore then you must be deaf.

Lastly, the only people who ever complain about genres are either deathcore or metalcore fans - no-one ever has a cry about being called doom.

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# Jan 8, 2009 @ 2:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. xFiruath writes:

It was a serious struggle not to start this news story with "Vocalist for the _deathcore_ act The Acacia Strain Vincent Bennett said..."

I'll have to agree with Cynic. While sub-genre labels may get silly as they advance, they are needed to distinguish between different types of sound. Words like "Metal" and "Heavy" are just too broad a term. You might mean Guns and Roses, you might mean Pig Destroyer, and you might mean Opeth.

It is kind of funny about how he says only the weak minded need to label things, then he talks about how deathcore is the new nu-metal. So in mocking people who label music, he uses two types of labels? And since he thinks nu-metal is proper label, obviously he has called bands "nu-metal" before....

I think it's pretty obvious based on how defensive he is that the band is deathcore. If tons of people are labeling your band a certain style, you probably are that style. To use a previously mentioned band as an example, how many people have ever called Opeth a "deathcore" band? Do they ever have to defend themselves and say "we aren't deathcore, stop calling us that?" Not that that should necessarily be a "bad" label. There are tons of people who like deathcore, it just seems that this band doesn't want to be deathcore but they know that they are, which is a personal problem, not a problem with the people calling them deathcore.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 2:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. Netromancer writes:

se⋅man⋅tics   /sɪˈmæntɪks/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [si-man-tiks]

–noun (used with a singular verb) 1. Linguistics. a. the study of meaning.
b. the study of linguistic development by classifying and examining changes in meaning and form.

2. Also called significs. the branch of semiotics dealing with the relations between signs and what they denote.
3. the meaning, or an interpretation of the meaning, of a word, sign, sentence, etc.: Let's not argue about semantics.

Semantics is commonly used to refer to a trivial point or distinction that revolves around mere words rather than significant issues.

-Straight from the dictionary. And I feel it applies here.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 2:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. Art Vandelay writes:

I don't think that they're that bad. But deathcore,yes.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 2:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. Doakes writes:

I hate to be a hater but it doesn't matter what this band calls themselves, THEY SUCK! sh**core would be a way better way to define them. But even though Vincent Bennett is a talentless (fat)piece of crap I have to admit to being entertained by c***punch.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 2:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. psythe writes:

lmao!! post 6 (by me): "you need more than just drop-c guitars to be heavy. I could be wrong here, but as I said, havnt heard the band. I'm making a complete and utter assumption."

post 14 (by acacia): "they dont play in drop c, psythe get your f***ing facts straight before you open you fat inbred mouth" (sic)

hahahahahahah god I love the internet, that just made my day :D

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. zmessy writes:

they are an ok band. but they are definitely deathcore. i think the vocalist need to lighten up a bit. its just a way to brand the sound. there has to be some way to categorize their sound.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 4:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. acaciafan104 writes:

Vincent is just straight edge, he needs to get of the monster energy drinks, but there amazing live i saw them at the palladium for the dvd shoot, with whitechapel, it was metal as shi*

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 5:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. XWigglesX writes:

I saw them, wouldn't say deathcore. But I wouldn't say hardcore either like they and there fans seem to think they are. I don't know, maybe just heavy will do.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 5:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. XWigglesX writes:

I saw them, wouldn't say deathcore. But I wouldn't say hardcore either like they and there fans seem to think they are. I don't know, maybe just heavy will do.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 6:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. acacia writes:

psythe theres no such thing as deathcore its just a divide that the media make up, n if ur saying that so called deathcore is sh** then you are just an idiot, asif bands like all shall perish, whitechapel, and despised icon suck i mean ffs your just branding something before you give it a listen and lets face it all them bands wipe the floor with sh** like nile, lol probally the worst death metal band ever, decapited sh** in their face

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29. Blindgreed1 writes:

Wiggles: Double posting? That's not your style brother.lol.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 6:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. Blindgreed1 writes:

acacia: Psythe is a lot of things, but an idot aint one of em. BTW, has anyone ever mentioned that you type like Napoleon Dynamite talks (i.e. probally the worst death metal band ever... Gosh!)?

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 6:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. psythe writes:

^ahahahahah that made me chuckle... GOSH! lol

Acacia, man, cool down, I didn't say deathcore is bad. What I said was, I haven't listened to this particular band yet. I also said I probably won't listen to them, which is a comment I based on the fact that I'm into more progressive stuff at the moment. When I move on from that, who knows, maybe deathcore is what I'll love. 'til then, it's not to my taste. That doesn't make me intellectually defficient, it makes me an individual. I'll thank ye to remember it.

Also, you contradict yourself: you're hypothesising that there's no such thing as deathcore. You're then suggesting that a person who dislikes deathcore is mentally unfit. Now, I can agree that a person who thinks something that doesn't exist is sh** is something of a moron. However. If deathcore doesn't, in fact, exist, then you'd have to be more than a little bit silly to defend it so vehemently, wouldn't you?

I rest my case of beer.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 6:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. FocusShift writes:

^Psythe, this is why I love you.

Deathcore exists in as much as anything else exists. It is a name attatched to a thought, object, person, or place; in otherwords: a noun.

Whether you call it deathcore or waste the extra breath and time to call a band "a fusion of death metal and hardcore," the genre exists. I wouldn't call it the new Nu-Metal exactly though. While it has the same popularity amongst similar followers (or the same followers for those who caught the tail end of the Nu-Metal trend and stayed on through the stop at metalcore and has now reached deathcore; yes, a train metaphor), [some] deathcore is remotely technical and sonically heavy.

But then again, you have the problem of every band with breakdowns and gutterals being thrown into the Deathcore genre these days and while a lot of deathcore bands are sh**ty (hell, aren't just alot of bands sh**ty?), you only hear more about some of the sh**ty deathcore bands because of it's popularity.

I personally enjoy some deathcore. A Breath Before Surfacing and The Breathing Process are good examples of skilled deathcore.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 7:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. Cynic writes:

Exactly FocusShift, and speaking of wasting breath - acacia doesn't warrant a response. We need a filter to get rid of users who use words like "probally". And Nile crushes any trendy deathcore bands, any day.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 7:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. psythe writes:

*wipes tear from eye* I love you too man! *sniffles* :P

Cynic makes a point on the Nile thing. High quality band, that. And I'm not even that big on death metal. Unless it's technical or progressive these days I'm not really interested.

# Jan 8, 2009 @ 8:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. Netromancer writes:

It's a descriptive term. No more, no less. The guy doesn't want to be called Deathcore, fine. Like I said at the beginning of this thread, expand your sound a bit. Show you have the talent and can make music that trancends this little word that really means nothing. To be honest the guy should be happy enough people listen to discuss what to label their music.

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 12:06 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. Fuck_A_Name writes:

I kindof always thought Acacia was...ok. Not my cup of tea, but ok. If anything, I always thought of them as metalcore, but I guess since his vocals are a bit ummm...growlier(?) that would pretty much qualify them as deathcore?

I don't really know what exactly defines the two genres as distinct from one another, all I know is the general sound of each one individually (metalcore/deathcore), and that the sound of this band fits into the former whenever I hear them.

REGARDLESS.

This reminds me of when the guy from god forbid got all offended from people calling his band metalcore, just because he used breakdowns. Which is funny, because not only is god forbid one of the most generically sounding metalcore bands on earth next to unearth and AILD, but I'm pretty sure breakdowns are a staple of the genre anyway, so I'm pretty sure he should be labeled as an idiot. Same goes here.

The guy does nothing to disprove it, just talks about how labeling is stupid. I think I heard Corey taylor say the same thing a few years ago too...hmmmm.....

you know what? he's right. deathcore IS the new NU-metal.

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 12:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. bbristowe writes:

I love Nile. All hail Annihilation of the Wicked. Greatest Egyptian influenced extreme death prog band ever!!

;)

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 5:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. bbristowe writes:

But for cereal. That album kicks ass.

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 5:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. That_One_Guy writes:

Not deathcore? Lol.

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40. Bind.Torture.Kill writes:

1) Deathcore is pretty good when done right (Suicide Silence is awesome)
2) Acacia Strain is deathcore, and they suck anyway.

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41. Cynic writes:

For cereal bbristowe - I have an "Annihilation of the Wicked" backpatch on my patched-out jacket!

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 4:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. Netromancer writes:

Love Nile, but "Ithyphallic" was more to my liking. That album frightens small animals and children.

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 4:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. Txmetalhead writes:

Yes Acacia - makes very little sense and seems like a moron. Who is the idiot? It certainly, IS NOT, Psythe.
Psythe writes very good explanations, and appears to be well-educated. Not to mention, a great person. Acacia just shows how much of an A$$ he is by making blanket insults, and ends his words with "all you fagz on metalunderground". Psythe - Cynic is correct - you don't need to even respond to this goof-Acacia.

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 5:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. rf writes:

their crapcore

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 7:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. rk writes:

heh hit the wrong key. duh.

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 7:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. Txmetalhead writes:

I haven't heard this band, yet. Happy Weekend everyone!

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 7:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. bbristowe writes:

Ithyphallic had some good material. But I wasn't to happy with the recording quality. AotW felt heavier to ME. Not saying it is. Plus I can't get over the title track.

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# Jan 9, 2009 @ 7:55 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

^I thought Ithyphallic was awsome.
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# Jan 9, 2009 @ 8:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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49. Netromancer writes:

George Kolias is a cyborg or something. The man can't be human.

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 8:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

lol(post 49)

# Jan 9, 2009 @ 9:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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51. bbristowe writes:

Yeah, he actually is unreal. FUN FACT (or at least one I was unaware of): He only uses 1 foot for his blast beats? Any truth?

# Jan 10, 2009 @ 2:56 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. Netromancer writes:

He is capable of doing blastbeats with one foot due to his technique of using his ankle over the rise and descent of his knee. But when he uses the same technique with double bass its insane. As a mediocre drummer myself, the man either inspires or discourages depending on my mood :) He has a series of instructive videos well worth checking out. Some are on Youtube if you do a search using his name. Whether you play drums or not, the man is phenomenal. And sorry it's Kollias with two L's.

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53. Netromancer writes:

instructive? Sorry Instructional. had a few beers LOL

# Jan 10, 2009 @ 3:37 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. psythe writes:

lol mhd - post 48 - that song annoys me. purely coz the song's title really is just ridiculously long. grand band tho. Ithyphallic and AotW were both very solid albums, I found that I enjoyed each for different reasons. which is pretty insane considering most death metal bands have entire catalogs I couldn't tell any difference in from start to finish.

and Kollias is not a man. he is animated cocaine, on speed. the guy's f***ing mental!

# Jan 10, 2009 @ 6:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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55. psythe writes:

oh an tx, thanks for the up-for-sticking bro :P didn't really need to respond, but i was pretty bored and had nothing better to do. besides, coming up with reasons why idiots are morons keeps my lateral thinking skills sharp - or at least, not totally flat, anyway hahah.

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56. deathbringer writes:

I've been thinking about this lately - what components of the music define what and why you like the music you do? Speed, heaviness, aggression, darkness, technicality, groove and possibly social/world outlook (which is often a factor in whether one chooses straight edge over death metal, etc)? I think if you can break down the aspects of one's musical tastes into things like this, you can determine why people like what they do. What other components might be a deciding factor in whether people like a style of metal?

Personally, I can rank them as aggression, speed, and heaviness as most important with groove and darkness as being secondary (but still compelling when done well) and not giving a sh** at all about outlook (social/religious or otherwise). That's how I end up liking a little of everything metal-related but leaning toward thrash and death-thrash as well as liking a good deal of the fast, aggressive metalcore and deathcore out there.

What do you think?

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57. deathbringer writes:

And of course in my speed/aggression thinking mode, I forgot melody, which is also secondary to me.

# Jan 10, 2009 @ 8:09 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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58. Blindgreed1 writes:

DB: You mean darkness and melody are not one and the same? Now I have to reallign the way I write. lol.

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59. Cynic writes:

Such a difficult question DB! I've rewritten this post 3 times haha.

Partly for me depression/sad = soulful/sincere/truth, so I think that helps me relate to metal. Or maybe it did initially, and metal grew on me. I think I hear metalcore as a derivative of metal, and so not sincere or truthful. Just like how you feel when Linkin Park sings "Shut up! Shut up! Shut up when I'm talking to you", and you think that sounds like a 12 year old having an insincere tantrum that's how I feel about metalcore.

Next is probably how clever the music is - original riff structure is important to me, which naturally draws me to metal. Also, lyrics to me are icing on the cake which gives a silver lining, it's not an essential part of the package. I suppose aggression, speed and heaviness become catalysts for the emotions and riffs - intensifying through power. That's maybe why I listen to all of the subgenres, while power metal and funeral doom may have the similar emotions/riffs (which are really the same thing as riff->emotion) they just apply different catalysts.

i.e. would you listen to really happy/major sounding death and thrash metal? I just tried that out on guitar and the answer is NO! :P

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60. deathbringer writes:

Yeah, it's a difficult question. I was thinking about this more as well and realized that some specific facets such as vocal delivery, guitar tuning, etc. may be a turn on or off for specific bands or to specific people. But that's not really what I'm getting at. I'm trying to get at facets of the music overall that encompass one's likes instead of using genres. This exercise really only works on an individual basis though - I don't mean it replaces genres. I was just thinking about another way to describe what makes up the music I like.

I rewrote this post too... Your perspective seems to turn my proposal on its head and come at it from another direction and I can't quite get my head around it since I just look at the music. The sincerety may come into play somehow, but I have no problem with styles and derivative styles of metal (nu-metal, hardcore, metalcore, deathcore, whatever) that fit my tastes in aggression, speed, and heaviness. In fact. it carries over to other music as well when I think about why I like some punk bands and other styles of music I may listen to occasionally (which isn't much at all really). I do find it a little hard to differentiate why l like metalcore and not straight hardcore so much though. I'm sure using the term technical in reference to metalcore will draw some laughs, but perhaps it's a little of that and a little melody with the ones who incorporate the Gothenburg sound a little as well. Maybe it's the brutality as well (again, not a term often used with metalcore, but I don't know how else I'd describe the sound of Unearth and Himsa vs Still Remains and Atreyu). I guess everything is relative to some degree.

I think some of the more specific factors may make up the "icing on the cake" but I can pretty much describe what I like in my metal with the fairly broad terms I set forth above.

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61. Cynic writes:

Yeah its tough - I think if the reason I had the previous views is that if I try to differentiate things to much I run into road blocks. I would say technical/complex, but then Burzum's one of my favourite bands and they're simplistic. I would say speed, but then I love funeral doom. I would say aggressive but then I like power and prog.

To tack something on to this post - I use the word progressive instead of technical because people associate technical with souless note-mongers like Necrophagist (who I love), when if you listen to something like Fates Warning they have amazingly clever riff structures, but all based on simple power chords, transistions and timing.

# Jan 10, 2009 @ 6:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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62. XWigglesX writes:

What attracted me to hardcore was the passion, aggression, honesty and the friendship and family values of straight edge (family being the scene). I like it because there is no make up and stage props, just some angry guys running around a stage with no barrier and having some words to say that actually mean something.

# Jan 10, 2009 @ 6:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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63. ZT from the grave writes:

I f***ing hate music labels....

Hi everyone. Happy belated screw year.

# Jan 10, 2009 @ 8:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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64. Fuck_A_Name writes:

My musical interests change for me as i grow older. At first, it was solely the aggression and anger, and perhaps the dark/morose sound as well, that drew me in; hence, i listened to Manson and Slipknot. Then I moved on to enjoying faster and less discernible music, basically looking for anything with screaming vocals and faster guitar and drum tracks than Nu-metal could offer. Being that I had no clue where to go, I ended up listening to Otep, AILD, and Atreyu for what I wanted.

Still, something was missing. I guess you could call it "brutalness" if such a word exists lol. A heavier, faster, and at the same time more sincere sound perhaps. Ergo, I found myself being introduced to Lamb of God and Devildriver.

When even that didnt do it for me, I just ran around like a headles chicken looking for god only knows what. Throwdown, hatebreed, Demon hunter(ugh).

then I heard Meshuggah. Game over. Nothing satisfies me unless it impresses me. Technicality, insanity, originality, speed; these are the things that drew me to Gojira, Pig destroyer, Napalm Death, DEP, Ted Maul, Genghis Tron, Blotted Science, Behemoth, Dimmu Borgir, Sol Asunder, and a newfound love for Slayer.

In truth, I still listen to almost everything I've heard or ever enjoyed in metal. It's just that those things that first caught my attention when I was ignorant, could never have found their way into my playlist had they risen to fame now. If it's less complex, slower, or less intense than Cannibal Corpse, It doesnt interest me.

For some strange reason though, I cant get enough of Trouble or Typo Negative lol.

Now playing: Blotted Science- Activation Sythesis theory (guess which band's CD I bought today...)

# Jan 10, 2009 @ 8:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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65. psythe writes:

"Nothing satisfies me unless it impresses me." - kinda the same way I feel. Although, I can be impressed by intensely heavy or speedy or whatever music and not be satisfied with it. I have this thing - if the music doesn't refer to something other, or greater, than itself, it bores me. I want metaphors, I want to hear a melody or a lyric or a riff and have an image or association come to mind without any effort on my part.

On the other hand, I'm less impressed by music that refers directly to something - like hardcore with its social/political thing. It bores me because there's no deep thought process. The music is straightforward and so are the lyrics. It doesn't move my mind down paths it wouldn't otherwise have gone down.

Thus I love music with intricate melodies, complex song structures, technical riffs, and so on. I can really dig a band even if its lyrics arent overly decent, but I'm never gonna be totally gay for a band unless they do have quite poetic lyrics.

Then again, you can get some bands that are just overly technical or whatever... it's gotta have a bit of groove to it as well, you know?

# Jan 10, 2009 @ 10:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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66. deathbringer writes:

"When even that didnt do it for me, I just ran around like a headles chicken looking for god only knows what. Throwdown, hatebreed, Demon hunter(ugh)." - I laughed out loud at that. Oh and brutalness=brutality.

Yeah, there's definitely more facets than I had considered, since I'm keyed in to mostly what I like. It's funny - I do find some stuff that impresses me with something different now and then, but eventually I get into a rut and return to the music with the qualities that I like. That's why, if you looked at my Last.fm, you'd see the bands with thousands of listens like Living Sacrifice, Lamb of God, Slayer, etc. I can't say these qualities have changed much over time, although I have opened up to more extreme music over the years for sure, and go through different mood as well.

# Jan 10, 2009 @ 11:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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67. XWigglesX writes:

Hardcore lyrics are generally straight to the point because the whole point of hardcore is being in your face and honest.

# Jan 11, 2009 @ 3:01 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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68. psythe writes:

^I get that, I just prefer the artistry of metaphoric allusion. It's difficult to do well, even more difficult to do in a way that is poetic. When done right, it's beautiful. I'd much rather hear a parable than an opinion. Personal taste, of course. I'm not putting straight-to-the point lyrics or Hardcore down, they're not lesser or anything, it's simply a whole different thing.

# Jan 11, 2009 @ 4:45 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. bbristowe writes:

"Nothing satisfies me unless it impresses me. Technicality,"

Likewise. Kind of cut that bit in half but that about sums it up for me. Now-a-days nothing really catches my eye unless its technical or difficult to play (to say the least). Hence bands like Nevermore, Aghora, Blotted Science, Meshuggah, Arch Enemy, Annihilator etc. etc. Not all the bands I like/listen to, but it's like 1am and too late to file through my mind. I'm drawn to most of those bands just because of their incredible guitar/drum work. But I can look back through my music category on my computer and link emotions that I had at the time to whichever band. For instance, I have Snow Patrol - Chasing Cars for when I met first my gf and she loved the song. Then I look closer and I still have BFMV, A7X and KSE when I was going through that whole teen angst stage and in my mind I can link certain songs directly to certain instances in my life. So is it the music that influences your life, or the life that influences your music?

# Jan 11, 2009 @ 4:46 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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70. bbristowe writes:

"When done right, it's beautiful. I'd much rather hear a parable than an opinion."

Good point. I love Nevermore to death, but I get tired about hearing about "The Pigs" over an over. But on the other hand, I like their whole ongoing everyone wears a mask ideal.

# Jan 11, 2009 @ 4:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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71. Fuck_A_Name writes:

So is it the music that influences your life, or the life that influences your music?

From personal experience, I would have to say that the latter is more generally the case.

Both music you create, as well as music that interests you, is a reflection of who you are and how you currently feel. When I have a tiresome day at work, all I want to do is listen to something angry, heavy, and p***ed, that will get me pumped and excited, ala Slayer. If im feeling calm and want to relax, I'll listen to Opeth or Meshuggah. If I f***in hate my entire day, and just need to yell at the insanity of it all, I vote for Pig Destroyer. If I want to have a temper tantrum while I'm on a sugar rush because my parents didnt buy me the sneakers i wanted, I'll listen to Papa Roach. :)

Not to say the music you listen to doesnt affect you at all. It does, but in that, for me, it is only a catalyst to emotions or interests that are already present. Before my friend found metal, he would get p***ed at something, and let it chew away at him while he litened to Ludacris and Lil Jon. Now he listens to Slayer, and has a catharsis/release for everything he goes through by going to metal concerts with me and moshing every other week or so.

So in a sense, the music you listen to can indeed alter your life or way of thinking, but the character traits that would make such music attractive would already be present in order for you to be influenced by it at all.

As with all things, the answer isnt so clear cut one way or another. It's almost always a mix of the two that holds the definitons and answers to your questions, as it is here, at least as far as I've seen in my lifetime lol.

Now playing: Lamb of God- Contractor (guess how my day was by this song lol)

# Jan 11, 2009 @ 8:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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72. That_One_Guy writes:

I know for me, personally, it started when I was a kid. Then, my parents listened to stuff like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, plus a bit of hair metal and other 70's and 80's stuff, so there's always a bit of a place for that stuff in my playlists.

As I was getting older, grunge became popular and I thought "Hey, here's something a bit heavier, yet still melodic (for the most part, anyway)." So I got into that.

After that, I started getting into more traditional metal (Iron Maiden and Motorhead, etc.) and stuff like Slipknot and other nu-metal acts (it was quite popular at the time anyway!) and grunge didn't interest me as much.

After I started listening to black / death / thrash metal several years back, the same thing happened there.. I still listen to more traditional rock (I've been on a HUGE Judas Priest kick lately) and whatnot, but the technicality, skill, and musicianship of more extreme metal just captivates me and leaves me wanting more. If it's melodic, hey, it's a bonus.. but not a requirement.

# Jan 11, 2009 @ 8:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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73. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

JUDAS PRIEST!!!

# Jan 11, 2009 @ 8:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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74. psythe writes:

^The above post sums up everybodies thoughts on the above band. :)

"So is it the music that influences your life, or the life that influences your music?" - I firmly vote in favour of the latter. While music can definitely enhance aspects of life (emotion, etc), it is rare for music to create those aspects. One doesn't feel eclectically happy, put on a Slayer album and then feel totally p***ed. Rather, one feels a bit p***ed, puts on a Slayer album and then feels totally p***ed. Or the other way around: totally p***ed, Slayer, release of energy, less p***ed. Either way, I tend towards the idea that, for the most part, music enhances or abates rather than creates.

# Jan 11, 2009 @ 11:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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75. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

your avatar kicks ass, btw Psythe :)

# Jan 11, 2009 @ 11:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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76. Netromancer writes:

I for one, listen to some of the most negative, violent, and depressing music I can find. Yet it brings me up instead of down. For the most part I am a pretty optimistic and happy person. I've always used metal as a channel for my negative emotions or in some cases to lift me out of an emotional low. Usually death or black metal to help me deal with the BS and Power Metal and Classic Rock to inspire. Or it could be the opposite depending on the day. There are certain emotions that need validation to keep them from building up. Music is a constructive outlet.

# Jan 11, 2009 @ 11:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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77. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

I use negative music to help me not do crazy sh!t if I'm angry. The angrier the band(if I'm mad) the calmer I get. If I'm calm, it helps me get psyched.

# Jan 11, 2009 @ 11:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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78. psythe writes:

mhd - hahah the avatar? it's just a tribute.

I listen to different stuff for different moods. Metal when I'm angry or frustrated. Usually the latter coz I get angry very rarely. House when I'm getting ready to party. Psytrance when I'm happy. Stuff like Jack Johnson or Bomba when I need to seriously chill. And stuff like Dub Trio when I'm feeling vague. At the moment tho, I can't stop playing Wiley. His comeback cd is most excellent.

# Jan 12, 2009 @ 5:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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79. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

Oh, Tenacious D:)

# Jan 12, 2009 @ 6:06 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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80. That_One_Guy writes:

Personally, when I'm really angry I put on stuff like Watch Them Die or Pig Destroyer to just release some tension, but if I'm calm and just relaxing, Opeth does it for me perfectly. But that's not to say that I always listen to certain bands when I'm in certain moods. Really it just depends on what I want to hear at the moment.. not that that's uncommon or anything.

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