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Community Leader Blames Slipknot For School Murder

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Blabbermouth.net reports: The head of South African police's investigative psychology unit has told The Times web site that rumors of Satanism and music playing a part in Monday's (August 18) deadly attack at the Nic Diederichs technical high school in Krugersdorp, South Africa should not be taken seriously.

Senior Superintendent Gerard Labuschagne was responding to claims that a schoolboy stabbed a fellow student yesterday because "Satan told him to kill the children."

Locals claim the boy was influenced by heavy metal band SLIPKNOT.

But Labuschagne said, "Whenever there is a murder, people jump to conclusions, and always God or Satan told the killers to do it. These notions shouldn't be taken seriously because it is straightforward: someone, of their own free will, can kill another person."

Community leader Pierre Eksteen, who is in charge of a school support network for children, said "Satanic" music was probably the cause of the attack.

"He came here camouflaged as the guy from SLIPKNOT. We know the wrong kind of music and drugs have bad effects. Young people need to be informed of the effects of bad Satanic music," said Eksteen.

The murder suspect has been identified by the News24.com web site as 18-year-old Morné Harmse.

"Watch out! He's lost it!" students shouted as Morné pulled out what looked like a Samurai sword and slashed the neck of Jacques Pretorius, 16.

According to News24.com, students said Harmse was "possessed by the devil" when he began his violent attack at about 7:20.

"Do you want to see something cool?" he apparently said to a girl student moments before he sliced through Pretorius's carotid artery.

Pretorius's best friend, 16-year-old JC Welman, was standing next to him when he was attacked.

"I was still wondering if it wasn't a joke but then I saw the blood bubbling out of his neck," Welman said, in tears, reports News24.com.

Pretorius died on the scene, said Netcare 911 spokesperson Mark Stokoe.

A reliable source said Harmse had brought four masks, similar to those worn by the heavy metal band SLIPKNOT, in his school bag.

Apparently he was also carrying three swords.

The source said one of the masks was white, similar to that of SLIPKNOT drummer Joey Jordison.

Another mask was a clown mask, similar to that of SLIPKNOT percussionist Shawn Crahan, and the third mask was a gasmask as worn by the DJ, Sid Wilson.

During the attack Harmse apparently wore the mask that is similar to the one belonging to the lead singer Corey Taylor.

The suspect is expected to appear in the Krugersdorp Magistrate's Court on Tuesday on charges of murder and attempted murder.

Source: Blabbermouth

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1. deathbringer writes:

Eksteen needs to "be informed of" his ignorance and relieved of public duty or any leadership position. That kid was clearly messed up.

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 9:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. Red writes:

There you go !!! Like I said, instead of looking at the kids f***ed up brain, looking at the bad parenting, the bad influence of medias, bullying, school shortcomings, a violent surrounding and the likes, it's easier to blame it on a band...open you eyes society, learn to take blame instead of putting it on somebody else. That's too easy.

And instead of going on a witch hunt, learn to listen to the kids for once. That's what nobody does and that's what everybody should do. Marylin Manson said it in the bowling for Columbine video and that was the most intelligent thing of the whole dvd.

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 10:35 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. insidious writes:

when i finally get caught for my atrocities, i will blame this web site...

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 11:20 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. coldiem writes:

Some leader he is. The difference between causation and correlation really isn't that hard to understand. Too bad the world is full of idiots like him, and since he is a so-called "Community Leader," people will listen to him. Who they need to listen to is the investigator who is quoted saying that "rumors of Satanism and music playing a part in Monday's (August 18) deadly attack ... should not be taken seriously." Wow, really?

And since when is Slipknot a Satanic band?

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5. it's obvious writes:

Hannah Montana should be blamed for this...

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 12:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Necropolis writes:

The biggest problem that I have with this leader making a scapegoat out of Slipknot is his fundamental argument that listening to Slipknot made this kid go crazy. To this argument I would say that if you take the population that listen to slipknot and then figure how many slipknot fans commit murder, you would see that listening to slipknot alone would not lead them to do such a thing. Essentially they are looking at the wrong variable. It is easier to blame others than to focus on improving yourself.

Its always sad when something like this gets metal painted in a poor fashion.

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 1:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. bludgeon writes:

I don't like slipknot in any way,shape or form, but blaming a rock band,movie or video game for murder is just a weak, moronic & lame excuse for being a weak minded loser.

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 1:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. FocusShift writes:

I'm pretty sure that Rap, Pop, Country, or any other form of music has just as much questionable material in them as Metal does. Hell, I'd be surprised if Country isn't more responsible for more wife beatings than metal is responsible for satanic murder/suicide.

And it's just plain ignorance that they use Satanic.

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9. BLOOD writes:

Country is responsible for inbred rednecks. That's for damn sure.

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 2:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. Detmetal20 writes:

Just because some kid went crazy and happened to listen to slipknot they are blaming this on a band. Now I listened to a quite a few older slipknot songs, and maybe I missed it but I dont remember any of the songs telling kids to go kill people and blame it on satan...did anyone else hear that?

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 2:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. xFiruath writes:

I think they are probably overstating the importance of Eksteen's position in the community, as they don't even list the name of the organization that this person runs. It's probably some little after school watch program with three kids, all relatives.

This kind of reminds me of back in the day when people like William Schnoebelen were writing about how playing Dungeons and Dragons made people commit suicide. All the wide eyed and terrified parents ate it up, but when the independent data was observed, it was discovered that kids who played D&D actually committed suicide at a significantly reduced rate than kids who did not, so they should have been promoting the game as a means of staving off suicide among teens.

I'll also have echo Necropolis' comments on this one. The number of people who listen to Slipknot has to be somewhere in the millions range, and how many of them flip out and kill people? The people who make these claims seem to not understand that the music industry is a business. If the members of Slipknot and their record company went around plotting how they could use their "satanic" music to make people kill each other, pretty soon there wouldn't be anyone left alive or not in jail to buy the music or go to the concerts...

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 2:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. Fuck_A_Name writes:

At least it's comforting to know someone with a brain is involved with this investigation. This Labuschagne guy seems alright if you ask me.

The unusual thing about this is that, for once, the kid/guy responsible didn't kill themselves after the incident, so maybe somthing can be learned from this kid about why f***s like this actually do the things they do.(at least for those ignorant enough that they can't figure out why out of common f***in sense...)

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 2:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. mephistopheles writes:

Kill Everybody. Please. that is all.

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 2:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. Kalis_wrath writes:

The only way I could see blameing Slipknot is if the kid did in fact DO the actions in their lyrics. You know like in "Desasterpiece," other than that this is one big cop-out!

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15. Son Of Sam writes:

My dog told me to kill.

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16. Fuck_A_Name writes:

^Every time something bad happens at a school, it's either Satan or a dog's fault. True, usually the dog just eats homework, but I see a connection...

My dog is SATAN!!! AWESOME!!!!

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17. Kalis_wrath writes:

Satan tells me to drink milk cos it does a body good. I have no choice but to comply

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18. Jeff Dahmer writes:

My gay sexual urges told me to kill.

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19. Jackrum writes:

tosser!

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I shot John Lennon to get back at Yoko for breaking up the beatles.

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I raped & killed women cuz it was fun.

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23. Fuck_A_Name writes:

I shot those 4 people in posts 18, 20, 21, and 22 because they're idiots.

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 4:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. Public_Execution writes:

Instead of blaming someone that could actually have a major influenece in someone's life, lets blame a band. Sounds like a great idea.

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25. Missing Foundation writes:

To F.A.N.:

It seems to me that the only thing you shoot is your mouth off.

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 4:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. Jackrum writes:

hmm its not the parents fault for having no idea what a nutter their kid is, and its not the kids fault for doing many drugs and then killing people..

IT HAS TO BE METAL.. hahaha once again metal is responsable for the actions of one particular psycho who, while on drugs and off his head, killed someone.

was he listening to the music at the time.. does it matter.. that might make the "community leader"s point flawed..

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 4:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. wilco writes:

well next time it will be ozzy
well now i know who to blame for my drinking and my tatse for woman and for heavy metal
was allways looking for who to blame
its heavy metal music
horns up to metal

you know an fool who blames music and than he supose to be a leader that freak
its time they kick him out
hornsup

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 6:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. BLACKDOG writes:

I'm not the biggest Slip Knot fan so clearly I would not know the answer to this.But hear goes.This band is not from northern europe(sweeden,scandinavia etc.)& although they are heavy.Most Satanic,Black & or Death metal band's are far heavier.So why are they calling them SATANIC.Hell if it were Merciful Fate Or Cannible Corpse then obviously but Slip Knot ? I don't get it ? could someone explaine please ?

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 7:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. b.bristowe writes:

f*** Cannibal Corpse and Merciful. While the kids in jail he should be able to have a shortened sentence under the condition that he has to spend the week with gaahl doing what gaahl thinks is "fun". Then we'll see how satanic he is.

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 7:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. LogAnarchy writes:

Wow, even though Slipknot is by no means responsible for the murder, it's looking pretty bad for Slipknot.
In some of these other "metal murder" cases, the band the murderer listened to was blamed. But this time, he didn't only listen to them, he brought the band's masks to school on the day of the murder.
That's just gonna make people think Slipknot influenced him, and in a way that may even be true due to his actions.

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31. ZT, I be writes:

"We know the wrong kind of music and drugs have bad effects. Young people need to be informed of the effects of bad Satanic music," said Eksteen."

Ok, well, would you mind telling us what YOUR definition of what the "right" kind of music IS then?

Oh that's, right, you CAN'T. f***head....

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32. ZT, I be writes:

"We know the wrong kind of music and drugs have bad effects. Young people need to be informed of the effects of bad Satanic music," said Eksteen."

Ok, well, would you mind telling us what YOUR definition of what the "right" kind of music IS then?

Oh that's right, you CAN'T. f***head....

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33. ZT, I be writes:

oops, ouble post.

Fail for me....

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34. this is ZT writes:

*double

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 8:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. Cynic writes:

"bad Satanic music" - Mwahaha,

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# Aug 19, 2008 @ 8:22 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. duncan hills writes:

"satanic music like slipknot"
what a joke
obviously eksteen presents us a shining example of the south african government

# Aug 19, 2008 @ 9:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. Adriana Stuijt writes:

I agree with this Krugersdorp community leader - who has by the way, absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the South African government. He's involved with the school, but not with he government. This is indeed the second murder linked directly to SLIPKNOT. During the first murder in San Bernardino in California, USA in 2003, the murderers were playing SLIPKNOT music while slashing the throat of their friend. The evidence in the following trial was very clear about SLIPKNOT's music and lyrics being directly responsible, with testimony by the killers themselves that they were inspired by what they described as 'satanic music' by SLIPKNOT to carry out these murders. This music and its constantly negative motive has a powerful impacts on young minds. This young man in Krugerdorp was indeed doing well at school until he started listening to SLIPKNOT music five months ago. That turned him from a bright, keen albeit somewhat quiet student into withdrawing - to such an extent that the teachers worried about it, and tried to get him to talk about it. It's clear that SLIPKNOT and other bands are conducting some form of high-intensity brainwashing which greatly confuses and even destroys vulnerable young minds - and this was discovered by a very good experiment at the University of California several years ago - they ran three discos featuring three very different kinds of music and tested student-volunteers on their brainwave activities afterwards. They found that heavy-metal music elicited the most powerful, negative and violent responses in disco-goers. Some countries ban the sale of this music and for a very good reason.
Read entire story with pictures etc on http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com

# Aug 20, 2008 @ 3:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. a vd m writes:

True young people are influenced by music, I listened to Slipknot for first time now, at first you don't even hear the words, the music is just heavy metal which I like, and even after hearing the words and saw the lyrics, I am not going out to kill people. Think this is more case of being on drugs. What is happening with the kids in this country? Bring the good old hiding back and give kids discipline again. Music has got nothing to do with killing people, drugs surely do. Statistics show that most rapes and murders in South Africa is done under influence of something. NOT MUSIC.

# Aug 20, 2008 @ 5:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. Psyrkus writes:

I'm from South Africa and I'm an avid Slipknot fan. I can tell you that the music and drugs are not to be blamed (they confiscated marijuana/dope/weed)

This kid went to a tecnical school. That pretty much explains it.

-Psy

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# Aug 20, 2008 @ 5:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. wilco writes:

well do have to say the music from slipknot is cool
but that they are satenic dont hink so
well yeah but its a amarican south africa thing
in europe if as case like this goes to court or somebody points a finger at dont matter what kiind of music you cant music as a scapegoat

psyrkus i a confused what do you mean with technical school i went there as well and i do got my owncompany ok i drink lots

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41. Psyrkus writes:

No insults intended @ technical school goers... Its just that... i dont know...

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# Aug 20, 2008 @ 9:48 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. danarchist7 writes:

Slipknot's music isn't Satanic. This "leader" should buy all 3 Slipknot albums, and listen to every song on each one before he assumes them as Satanic. I love how rock/metal artits can't sing or write lyrics about sh** going on in the world or feelings inside of them, but almost every rap artist can write about raping hoes, popping caps in people's asses, or say 'nigga' in every other line. I don't see the logic.

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43. Cvh writes:

You stupid people with your stupid metal music should get over yourselves and stop blaming the world for baad stuff that happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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44. Jamez writes:

So, first they blamed Satan, then Slipknot. I wonder why they skipped Slayer while looking at who's under the letter "S" on Parental Guide - Who To Blame When Bad Things Happen. All this crap is and has been ridiculous ever since the Priest / Osbourne trials in the 80s

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45. Slipknt 101 writes:

This is a load of Bullsh**, thats the south african media for you, stupid idiots, Blaming a band for somebody's death, thats f***ing stupid, crap they don't know wat they talking bout! Music does not drive ppl to kill, im from SA and a hugr SLIPKNOT fan and that is definately not the reason for what has happend, as for the fact that they are said to be satanic, thats incorrect, its a false accusation! It can only be the parents fault, and maybe the fact that the kid was a total looney!

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46. Slipknt 101 writes:

Publish this sh** to the media, i f***ing dare YA!

Stupid Retards of th RSA media!
Don't you dare blame some randomass kids' death on SLIPKNOT!
But if you truely want to see DEATH and Kids on a RAMPAGE then yu should keep this sh** up, we'll show you PAIN and Suffering!

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47. Jackrum writes:

to the above post.


have you any idea about south africas history or current crime levels??

your threat of pain and suffering will be bloody giggled at.

btw, you come across as a 10 yr old korn fan discovering the net for the first time. grow up.

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I killed my mommy cuz she made me have sex with her.

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49. Dark_Funeral writes:

i'd bully a kid in a slipknot shirt if i saw him too. what's the matter with you kid! is that slipknot cd your first "alternative rock" purchase??

slipknot music DID have satanic elements, you damn noobies. Iowa had a plethora of satanic influences. I'm surprised you "hugr" slipknot fans didn't catch it with song titles like "the heretic anthem" and the huge pentegram in their "disasterpieces" dvd. But perhaps you don't like older slipknot because it's too "heavy" for your tastes. what a bunch of poser queers you fa**ot maggots are.

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50. Dark_Funeral writes:

and i think that other bands should be getting publicity for all the right reasons rather than these queerbaits. Slipknot is so bad yet they get so much publicity for being controversal. f*** them. All they need is sh** like this to inflate their already huge egos.

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51. That_One_Guy writes:

They call music like Slipknot "satanic" because they don't know about true black metal. They think that Slipknot is as "heavy" and "dark" as it gets. Poor fools. They need to get enlightened!

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52. Fuck_A_Name writes:

Yeah! We got a kid killed! *high five* I'm sure their ego is gonna skyrocket lol

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53. That_One_Guy writes:

Whoever keeps posting under the serial killers names needs to just shut the f*ck up. Doofus.

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54. Charlie Manson writes:

I didn't kill anybody. But, I'll kill That_One_Guy if I come across him because I don't like his gay tug boat avatar. What are you? Like a pirate? A viking? Oh Iknow, Christopher Columbus.


Gay, avatar flip.

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I killed 13 hookers in upstate NY cuz I was picked on as a kid. I also ate one's vulva while the cops were following me. Yum!!

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I killed my sax player cuz he was black.

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58. Fuck_A_Name writes:

^ok now that one's kinda funny.

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59. Sleecer writes:

To everyone here. I just sat an hour reading every article I could find on the case about this kids Massacre raid. And by the way I live in RSA. The media is pulling this story out of proportion. The kid liked slipknot (doesn’t mean it’s the bands fault) and was involved in Satanism (apparently Satan told him to kill or he would be killed) and he has a record of drug abuse (could be a reason for what he did?). This is what the media says in different stories all put together. But the fact is he killed a kid. Only 16. What if it was you or your friend? I respect metal. Even go to a Goth club now and then but there is a line to be drawn. In fact maybe he just went in to deep and could not understand what it meant and didn’t know how to get out of it. Also look at the parents not being mentioned anywhere in the whole story? Isn’t that weird. And what was the relationship between the kid and the victim? Or maybe he just lost all his bearings. Just take it all to thought.

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60. XWigglesX writes:

They had this in the nespapers today. But would you believe this, no mention of Slipknot or satanic things. Just a kid f***ed up on drugs.

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61. b.bristowe writes:

I didn't kill anybody. But, I'll kill That_One_Guy if I come across him because I don't like his gay tug boat avatar. What are you? Like a pirate? A viking? Oh Iknow, Christopher Columbus.


Gay, avatar flip.

haha i don't know why, but i laughed so hard at the avatar flip.

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62. nunuminx writes:

it winds me up to see people blame a band for suicide, killing others etc. i am a great fan of SLIPKNOT and i will not stand back and see another metal band get blamed for all this!!
you dont see chavy bands get the blame for things like this ,because most of the population is chavs, its unfair! by me there are lots of chavs stabbing goths and other chavs, why arnt the bands they listen to getting the blame for this?? if chavs are so f***ing innocent then why do the stabb and kill goths?? society shouldnt keep blaming the music the person listens too because a matter of fact it has nothing to do with the person wanting to kill themself or someone else and society dont know the relationship between the 2 people!!

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63. MetallicPunk writes:

To me this makes me mad Slipknot had nothing to do with this at all,I am sick of people blaming music for certain peoples problems,when it is bad parenting,and also probably bad supervision at schools cause trust me some schools will just give suspensions and detentions rather then ask why someone started bullying another,music is not to blame,Its time people wake up and realize bad parenting is to blame not any music their kid is listening to.

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64. Dark_Funeral writes:

goths are f***in fags. i hate their damn umbrella pants and their f***ing makeup and their weird a$$ "anime" esque hair and the whole "I'm misunderstood nobody likes me" attitude. Maybe if you didn't look like a damn psychopath freak not as many people would make fun of you

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# Aug 20, 2008 @ 9:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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65. BLACKDOG writes:

Uh...... What's a Chav ?

# Aug 20, 2008 @ 9:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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66. Dark_Funeral writes:

maybe it means...jock...?
i don't understand why you need to hate on other people just cuz you like metal. i'm friends with people on all sides of the "social scale" as ninunex seem's to be getting at. chavs...or athletes are cool people to hang out with. Just cuz they don't like the same music as you or wear the same clothes as you doesn't make them any more or less a bad person.

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67. psythe writes:

^Couldn't agree more.

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68. ugly-bob writes:

f*** this guy man. what gives him the right to slam a metal band for the actions of some twisted little f***?! i'm f***ing sick of the "before we can think of a plausible cause for what this kid did, let's just blame the easiest thing out there which is also the thing he happened to listen to" attitude. it was south park a while ago, video games ten years ago, god knows what before that. if he listened to gay sh** like 50 cent and committed this atrocity, would that d***head get the blame? he probably would 'cos it would be the easiest thing to point the collective finger at.

one more thing that has been eating away at my tiny little mind...why are there so many haters on this site?! haters that hate a particular metal band! it is a metal site for christs sake. if you hate/don't like a particular band, keep your opinions to yourselves. if you want to hate something, hate the shallow, pointless bullsh** music that is dumbing down the population of this planet, turning innocent young girls into slutty, skanky...sluts and making a career in music easier than walking. us metalheads must join together and bring an end to this era of horsesh** music and make metal the "king of music". i've finished my epic speech now, you can all go home...

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 4:18 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. XWigglesX writes:

If ya want to know what a chav is I suggest you look it up on urban dictionary hahaha. f*** how can ya not know what a Chav is haha? Get out from under the rocks.

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 5:55 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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70. Psyrkus writes:

http://www.psyrkus.co.za/The-Samurai-Slayer.html

nuff said

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 8:04 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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71. dingding writes:

I'm South African and I have a friend who is close with the boy's family, they say this kid was smaller than his classmates of the same age, was incessantly bullied and wanted to feel powerful. They "never realised the truly devastating impact of this physical and emotional bullying he has had to endure throughout his life." He explained to them that he felt so helpless and useless that he wanted to take a stand.
"We deeply regret that we have now had to discover that Morné experimented with satanism and that this had given him the impression that he could draw some form of power from this which would protect him (from his bullies). "His words to us were: 'When I put on the mask, everything became dead-quiet and my body moved. I wanted to stop, but could not.'
He obviously felt empowered by the anonymity of the mask and took the lyrics to heart.
All you toughtalkers out there who are on sucking slipknot's proverbial d*** should take a moment to consider how terrible it must be to be a small town farming parents whose son is responsible for the brutal slaying of someone else's son. I don't think much of this can be attributed to the band, but for the blame to fall in entirety on the parents of an 18year old who evidently made his own poor choices is also not fair. How many of us could be reigned in by our parents? Kids are impressionable and whereas a lot of us can listen to slit throat tracks and not be swayed, one needs to look at the malleability of the the youth trying to fit into a society that is intrinsically obsessed with appearances and materialism. We're all to blame. Are there no age restrictions on these albums then? Or are we just concerned with getting money out of an impressionable target market so that Corey and all of them can buy new toys? There's a way to control it!
But let us not forget that our great war is a spiritual war. There are elements at work here that everyone scoffs at. I listen to Slipknot, I appreciate music but won't be swayed because I've my feet firmly anchored in faith that scoffs at the emo-babble and a mind that can enjoy good music but discern that the message is more often that not irrelevant. Not so for Morne. Poor kid, he's in bart simpson trouble.

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 12:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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72. Jackrum writes:

chavscum.com i believe is still alive and well is it not?

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 12:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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73. Dark_Funeral writes:

for christ sake slipknot aren't f***ing metal. stop mixing that sh** up! lol

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 12:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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74. crimsontriumph writes:

Dude, Slipknot is still metal. They aren't the same type of metal they used to be, they've become more melodic, but they are still metal.

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 1:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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75. Dark_Funeral writes:

melodic? lol??
i hope you aren't referring to the chorus of that garbage psychosocial song. that's more atreyu esque than anything melodic. lmao

Melodic = in flames, dark tranquillity, etc

why doesn't anyone who defends slipknot know anything about metal??

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 1:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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76. crimsontriumph writes:

I know more about metal then you'll ever know. Vermillion was more melodic than what they used to be. A chorus doesn't define a band either. Instead of going nuts like they used to, they've become more melodic. Listen to them once in a while. Less screaming than before, too. Listen to People=sh**, then listen to Danger: Keep Away. You'll tell the difference. But, they are still metal. I don't know of any non-metal band that uses drop B tunings. Why doesn't anyone bashing Slipknot ever have any intelligence?

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 2:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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77. ulcer writes:

i believe it's called fag,loser,pop, semen gobbling metal

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 2:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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78. crimsontriumph writes:

Wow ulcer. All those incredibly smart words really help your argument. The adults are talking right now. Go play with your toys.

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 2:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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79. toki writes:

i am from south africa and i listen to slipknot. i think that all people who say metal is satanic and gives u demons when u listen to it, is just bullsh**.. y dont they blame RAP for sh** aswell.. that guy who stabbed was on drugs and that was the cause for the stabbing and apparently he was acting weird for 5 months before so it clearly the perants fault for not getting him help....

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 2:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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80. Dark_Funeral writes:

how do you know more about metal than me if you think slipknot are talanted
hmmm

how does a slipknot fan know what time it is?
their mommy calls them inside cuz it's passed their bedtime

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 3:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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81. ulcer writes:

Wow Crimsontriuph, are you defending one of most played out shat bands that ever existed or are you just a dikk. I think the latter. Why don't you go fukk yerself. I wouldn't believe you were an adult any more than I would believe you had any taste. Fukkin loser.

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 3:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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82. Kyd writes:

Is it a conspiracy that the music is telling the youth to rise up against the establishment because the establishment is rapidly destroying things? Is that a conspiracy? It is not my conspiracy. It is not my music. I hear what it relates. It says "Rise," it says "Kill." Why blame it on me? I didn't write the music.
~ Charles Manson

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 7:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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83. ugly-bob writes:

just so i can be enlightened, what is the REAL and LITERAL definition of metal music? and why would slipknot be on a metal site if they weren't in fact metal?! DB obviously knows what bands constitute as metal, so why argue the point of "slipknot isn't metal"?! it's because you have nothing better to do than go on a slipknot news forum and give people sh** for liking this band, and give the band sh** 'cos you have nothing better to do than the things what i done just said. i have nothing against you, really, like or dislike whatever band you want to, just keep your slipknot hating to yourself, or people who actually give a damn. i mean i can't stand cradle of filth, but do i go on their part of the site and give them sh**?! NO, 'cos i know people aren't interested in my negative opinion on C.O.F. so i keep my hateful opinions to myself...

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 7:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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84. Kyd writes:

CULTIVATION THEORY
Long before metal music, people were addicted to media violence. In the 1930s, children said they liked being frightened by movies (Potter, 1999, p. 161). Studies done in the 1980s and 1990s revealed the same results (ibid). The enjoyment caused from being frightened and then having the fear resolved appears to be determined by other factors such as mood, self-concept, motivation, long term exposure to violence, and political attitudes. According to Potter (1999, p. 133) “our society has gotten used to the high level of violence and no longer notices much of it.” As fans become desensitized to certain words and sights, metal music resorts to a harsher message.
According to Gerbner (1968; 1984; 1994), the originator of the Cultivation Hypothesis, “a message (or message system) cultivates consciousness.” Music plays a large role in many peoples’ lives; they develop specific reasons for making musical choices and absorb themselves with their favorite types of music on both cognitive and physical levels (Rubin, West, & Mitchell, 2001). For many people, the type of music they listen to is as much a part of life as the clothes that they wear. The fans of metal are no exception.
The cultivation of violence in contemporary society takes on many forms. Since violence is such a pervasive and continuous message throughout entertainment media, it is said that people are addicted to media violence (Potter, 1999, p. 133). Many people become obsessed by violence in media because of the ever-increasing barrage of addictive violent media influences encountered.
Gerbner’s (1968; 1984; 1994) Mean World Syndrome describes a cynical mindset where an individual develops four identifiable attitudes. The first is an increased perception of chances of personal involvement with violence. People who are exposed to large quantities of violent media unrealistically believe they are more likely to be involved in a violent incident than those who do not. Another effect is fear. Many heavy users of violent media are afraid of walking alone, especially at night. These same users perceive an amplified number of police, judicial, and government agents. As Griffin (2006, p. 389) contends, “Gerbner’s television type assumes that police officers draw their guns almost every day, which isn’t true.” The most common effect is a broad mistrust of people (ibid). Of these effects, the ones that seem to best apply to metal music are: increased fear, mistrust of people, mistrust of authority, and the perception of widespread extreme violence in the world.
Media representations of the world influence the way that an individual viewer/listener observes the world he or she lives in. As in the case with Cultivation Theory, Gerbner’s (1994) Mean World Syndrome, which was related to the violent content of television, has great relevance in the study of violent music because the repetitive message of violence helps to cultivate a negative worldview. This study hopes to illustrate that, in much the same way that violent television programming contributes to a worldview that bolsters the fears and trepidation of people, metal music can also trigger the Mean World Syndrome (Gerbner, 1994, p. 40). The most important part of the Mean World Syndrome in the study of metal music is the idea that the violence being portrayed is believed to be normal as a result of chronic exposure.
For hundreds of years entertainers have used violence to amuse their audiences. As technology advances entertainment producers resort to more extreme forms of violence as a way of further appeasing their customers. In like fashion, violence-addicted music fans look for different, stronger, more violent forms of expression. Metal resorts to more horrific verbiage in order to increase its impact.
Violence in media can have a narcotizing effect because it “dulls our physiological and emotional reactions while controlling our behavior” (Potter, 1999, 133). Gerbner, Morgan, and Signorielli (1994, p. 9) insist, “violence is a complex scenario” which involves a wide range of personalized motivations, circumstances, and justifications. Violence promotes messages of power and vulnerability, inappropriate problem solving, ineffective human relations, negative views of law enforcement and authority resulting in a distorted view of consequences of actions, and the rules of society (Gerbner, Morgan, and Signorielli, 1994, ¶ 2). Perhaps the most debilitating consequence of media violence is the pervasive sense of insecurity and vulnerability that is developed at an individual level (ibid).


By: Don Kinsey (excerpt from my thesis, Mitigating Metal)

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 7:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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85. opera writes:

I killed rosie O'donnard cuz da b**** is fatter than me.

# Aug 21, 2008 @ 11:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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86. crimsontriumph writes:

This is for ulcer and Darkfuneral. Dark, maybe I just like Slipknot. I don't bash your bands. People listen to music they like. I'm doing the same. Your simply one of the most conformist people I know, trying to get everyone to live your way. Let people live their lives. And, wow ulcer. Those words really show how smart you are. Same thing to you that I said to dark.

# Aug 22, 2008 @ 12:40 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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87. barricade writes:

look where the lad comes from with all the killings going on

# Aug 23, 2008 @ 4:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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88. MAGOT_002 writes:

There goes the chance of Slipknot ever coming to South Africa! Thanx allot dumb sh**!

# Aug 25, 2008 @ 4:12 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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89. binary_asphyxiation writes:

"He came here camouflaged as the guy from Slipknot..." this sentence displays no ignorance whatsoever... the only way a maggot would be "camouflaged" anywhere would be at a Slipknot concert. this is complete retardation. music, movies, video games, these things do not make people kill one another. that sick f/uck obviously had some mommy and daddy issues which people tend to creat for themselves. all this "satan told me to kill the children because my mommy and daddy don't love me (commence slicing of the wrists)" is a bunch of emo bullsh!t. and to the posts who sat there and blasted slipknot for being "one of the most played shat bands that ever existed" (*cough, cough* ulcer) should take a look and realize that if it was your ever-so-awesome favorite metal band, then you would be p!ssed off right along with everybody else instead of acting like poorly educated kids with autism.

# Aug 25, 2008 @ 5:53 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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90. Brad-South Africa writes:

People in this country are sooo f***in' retarded, its as if Slipknot is the worlds heaviest most f***ed up most evil band in the world, when they are in fact just a hard rock group with masks..
I mean honestly. This kid was dumb to go do that, just coz he listened to slip dont blame him.. are we gona blame Tedd Bundy's crimes on the music he was listening to at the time? NO!!

As A south african, I want slipknot to come here and visit the dead boys parents : P

# Aug 25, 2008 @ 7:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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91. Psyrkus writes:

^^ er... I couldn't agree with you any less... I mean... at all :P

# Aug 25, 2008 @ 5:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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92. Popctrl writes:

"Young people need to be informed of the effects of bad Satanic music"

Good satanic music, such as Deicide, however, need no recognition.

# Aug 25, 2008 @ 9:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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93. metalheaddrummer101 writes:

post 92: lol

# Aug 25, 2008 @ 9:25 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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94. Stuart writes:

im south african. Everyone i know feels slipknot should not be held responsible. This kid was a psycho. People blame music because they have to find something to blame it on - they can't accept that sometimes humanity goes wrong.

# Aug 26, 2008 @ 4:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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95. Jenny writes:

I hope no one on this site doesn't personally feel that the band is responsible, I mean, they didn't tell the kid to go and do that...the kid's brain obviously has problems that people don't want to get into because they are ignorant. The band ISN'T responsible: the soul person who committed the act of the crime IS. It's that simple.

Stuart: I'm glad that everyone you know feels the band is not responsible for this. That kid was a psycho, so you have my agreement and attention man.


Post 92: I'm with post 93 lol

# Aug 26, 2008 @ 5:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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96. Metal Militia writes:

Im from south africa and I just want to point out that that Nic Diederichs technical high school is crowded with people coming from broken homes. 80% of the people here think the "lets blame slipknot and 'bad' satanic music" thing is beyond pathetic. Unfortunately the other 20% is in charge out this country. Something that amaze me is that it's Slipknot getting the blame for Satanic influences on the kid, yah dont mind rotting christ or deicide, blame slipknot.

Anyway, I've never seen so much slipknot shirts than before. Doesnt matter if it's five it's sizes to small or bleached its being worn.

I think the only thing left to do is for slipknot to tour sa :P

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