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Wednesday 13 To Attempt To Contact The Dead

The following press release has been announced:

To celebrate the band's upcoming tour and release of their new studio album, Skeletons on May 12th, WEDNESDAY 13 will be conducting his own paranormal investigations.

Demolition Records have teamed together with one of the UK's leading Ghost Hunting Companies, Fright Nights, to host a series of séances.

After certain shows on the UK leg of the tour, Wednesday 13 will travel to secret haunted locations to perform their own ghostly vigils, with the aid of Mediums specialising in Trance, Ouija boards and Possession!

Frontman, Wednesday said: " I've seen this stuff before on television and I've been a skeptic about this forever. I want to see now if I will eat my own words. I'm really excited and looking forward to the attempt of having the begezzus scared out of me!"

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1. Kalis_wrath writes:

*LMAO* Too funny! Out of my own morbid couriosity I would like to watch this. Ouija boards are total sh**, but I do believe in the spirit world.

# Apr 27, 2008 @ 12:53 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. cruor writes:

Ouija boards are about as legit as Hillary Clinton.

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# Apr 27, 2008 @ 1:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. Jackrum writes:

that is sooooooo metal...


in an utterly pansey way.

# Apr 27, 2008 @ 2:02 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Kalis_wrath writes:

Gotta give them kuddos for doing this. Alot of people would talk tough about dealing with the supernatural, but when it came down to it would run away with their tail between their legs. Ghosts are fun! I know it sounds crazy, but I do have the ability to see stuff that would make the hair on the back of your neck stand on end! I have lived with ghosts and to an extent can get information about them, their life and death.

# Apr 27, 2008 @ 3:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. psythe writes:

No offence intended, to you, Kali, or anyone else who's into this stuff, but I myself am way too much the sceptic to believe in it. That, and not believing in an afterlife means I don't really believe in a soul, and thus don't really believe in 'spirits' either. There's a lot of mysterious and unexplained things in this world, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it 'supernatural'. That's too superstitious for my liking. Obviously, just my opinion, feel free to disagree :)

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# Apr 27, 2008 @ 7:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Kalis_wrath writes:

No offence taken. Alot of the skeptics are those who can not "see." For a long time I denyed my own "gift" and eventually gave up fighting it and began to embrace it. The most intence area I have ever been in with spiritual activities was in Pa.

# Apr 27, 2008 @ 7:22 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. bananaterracottapie writes:

haHA....Pathetic!

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 12:48 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. KoRNBoY writes:

rAfAfA ;D pEopLe wHo LiKE sPiRiTs aN sTuPiD sh** aRe NuRDs ;D

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 1:08 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. psythe writes:

^^Even I think that that's a pretty ignorant sentiment. How social status and spiritual observation are related, I'll never know.

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# Apr 28, 2008 @ 3:58 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. CrawfordTexasJingoJango writes:

Wednesday 13 is a dildo. The last time this guy was cool was when I was in the 10th grade. And that only lasted until I heard the lyrics to "Dead In Hollywood".

"Hey Leatherface, remove my...FAAAAAACEE!"

How lame is that?

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 10:17 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Kalis_wrath writes:

Kornboy is not exactly known for being intellegent Psythe. You probably knew that though.

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 1:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. Fuck A Name writes:

I like how for like the first couple weeks Kornboy was here, everybody just ignored whatever he said. Now he just seems to be getting on everyone's last nerves. You can't even argue with him because he never says anything that sounds halfway sensible or is even on topic. If anything, I would call him the computer virus of this site now, since there seems to be no easy way to get rid of the little bastard.

I myself have seen some crazy sh** over the years. i could swear I've heard my Grandpa speak to me here and there even though he's been dead since I was in Kindegarden, but then again, that could just be Schizophrenia or one of the stages of denial, so who knows? Still, I believe in ghosts, but I won't put down any bets on WHAT they are, Spirits, souls, extradimensional beings, or just our own minds f***ing with us, whatever. All I know is that i can't stand that show Ghost Hunters on Sci-Fi, too much bullsh** for my tastes.

On a side note: i FINALLY got around to checking out Dimmu Borgir in depth, (at the suggestion of a few ppl on this site^), and Me likes. Just in time for their concert on Wednesday too!

Now Playing: Dimmu Borgir- "The Chosen Legacy"

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 1:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. KoRNBoY writes:

nAh bRuDdA p0sT #9 pEOpLe dAt tHiNK dEy g0t MaGiCaL pOwErS LiKe dAT kALiS gUy = DiLLuSiONaL y0y0 mUh sExEh pOsT wAs LoGiCaL n0t igNoRanT ;D

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 2:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. KoRNBoY writes:

f*** a NaMe y0 mOmMa'S a BLaCk h0oKeR iiiGhT ;D f0 tEh fIRsT c0uPLe wEeKs i tRiEd tEh iGn0rE hEr bUt n0w hEr HuGe BLaCk DlCk HaiRs KeEp BuMPiNg mUh eLBoWs sHe GeTtiN oN mUh LaST NeRvE TeLL dAt g0riLLa tEh TriM DeM PeNaR NaPPy DlCk HaiRs aNd d0s CuRLy NoSTriLL hAiRs t0 iiGht s0n LaTuH BrUdDa ;D

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 2:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Detmetal20 writes:

Nice work f*** a name...point proven.

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 3:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. Kalis_wrath writes:

The most insane things to ever happen to me happened at the last place I worked at in Medford called Roosters a resturant. I was a hostess and we had an extreamly insane day and Debbie one of the waitress even had her daughter Amy work it as I was the only hostess and needed the help. I kept seeing this man following Debbie around that was maybe an inch shorter than her, grey short hair, suuper blue eyes, beard and kinda on the chubby side. He kept looking at me like "I know you see me and you need to tell Deb I am here." So when we got a small break I asked her who he was and thought it maybe her Dad and decribed him. She told me to go tell her daughter what I just told her and I did Amy looked at me and sneered "what are you trying to tell me?!" Turns out that it was Debs exhusband that had died years before. I never knew anytging more than they had been divorced, but not that he was dead.

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 4:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Kalis_wrath writes:

Anything*

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 4:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. cruor writes:

^Now that is some f***ed up and weird sh** man. I've never had an experience with the dead.

f*** a Name congrats on discovering Dimmu Borgir, personally I'm a little sick of their sh** (except Enthrone Darkness Triumphant and some of the stuff from Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia) but hey whatever makes u happy man. I've just been into Emperor, Mayhem, Darkthrone, Immortal etc. as far as BM goes, one day I'll revisit ISD, SBD, Stormblast, and DCA again see if anything clicks.

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# Apr 28, 2008 @ 10:07 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. Kalis_wrath writes:

I welcome anyone to confirm it too. Just ask for Bebbie (to my knowlage she still works there) and ask if I am telling the truth. The place is Roosters in Medford Oregon and she will tell you. I could not imagine she would forget that. I have many other instances if you guys want me to go on. I am not trying to change anyones believes, but to just share what I have experianced.

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 10:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. Kalis_wrath writes:

Debbie* good god my typeos are bad these days!

# Apr 28, 2008 @ 10:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. Fuck A Name writes:

^I'll Say!!! It's spelled typos! not Typeos! lol just being an ass, don't mind me Kalis. ;b

thx Cruor, I just havent been really attracted to BM till recently, mostly due to an aversion to the whole facepaint/ kill Christianity theme it all seems to have. Obviously, I got over it. In Fact, the only thing tickling my fancy right now outside of EXTREMELY aggresive Death Metal and Grindcore (Mostly just Ted Maul and Pig Destroyer, respectively), is Black Metal. I just got into Immortal and Emperor lightly a couple of months ago too, and I've been meaning for some time to look up some Mayhem, just lazy I guess. What disturbs me is that, with only a brief forray into the genre, the rest of my Metal borders on simply boring me, almost depressing really. Good thing I'm listening to my friends techno right now, else I would be bored out of my skull...

Now Playing: Pendulum- "Through the Loop"

# Apr 29, 2008 @ 4:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. cruor writes:

^Never happened to me, to this day I still listen to the bands I was listening to before my discover of Emperor (my first BM band).

# Apr 29, 2008 @ 9:04 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. psythe writes:

Pendulum are pretty good. Mayhem are great. And Pig Destroyer are downright fantastic. And yeah, I still listen to the stuff I used to, just not anywhere near as much. I've gone on a very prog vein lately, actually.

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# Apr 29, 2008 @ 9:28 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. Fuck A Name writes:

oh no I still am gonna listen to em, I still enjoy all my sh** and all, it's just Im in the mood lately for something morosely and overpoweringly heavy, hence my intense desire for more BM right now. Not even looking for complexity, just something powerful sounding. Think... Lamb of God but not so Metalcore, with some Behemoth mixed in, and Ted Maul thrown on top of it all. I keep reaching for something along those lines these days cause that's what i just want to hear. Something Overwhelming. If I can't find what i need in black Metal, then I'm gonna just have to come up with the music myself, and like i said; lazy, so i'm hoping it doesn't come to that :p

Blah I apologize for the disorganized self-musing., I've been up since 1oclock this morning playing my bass and thinking about music and lyrics. I'm f***in out of my mind right now, thank God I have donuts, or I would die right now. hah

In the words of Kumar of Harold & Kumar: "F u c k You! Donuts Are Awesome!"

Now Playing: Dj Caffeine- "Blade Remix"

# Apr 29, 2008 @ 9:46 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. Fuck A Name writes:

Oh and thank you, ya Pig Destroyer are f***in great. i hate em too though, cause it makes me angry that other Grindcore isn't anywhere near as good, besides maybe Napalm Death. Oh sh**. I actually have Pendulum on this computer, but it's all techno, entirely different genre of music lol. I'll check em out psythe thanks.

Now Playing: Pendulum- "Blood Sugar"

# Apr 29, 2008 @ 9:52 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. Cynic writes:

Pendulum came to my town recently but I didn't check them out because of ticket prices. I've never been a fan of grindcore apart from Carcass but if you want "morosely and overpoweringly heavy" then Burning Witch and Khanate are the incarnation of those two things. But they're extreme doom metal so I'm guessing that's not what you're after. You could try The Beserker, Mayhems new album (extremely dark) - but for the most extreme BM I'd try something like Gorgoroth.

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# Apr 29, 2008 @ 5:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. Cynic writes:

Wasn't trying to say The Bezerker are BM of course I just run out of extreme/grind bands because I don't listen to many.

# Apr 29, 2008 @ 5:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. Terminator writes:

F.A.N - for severe black metal, i'd also recommend marduk, satyricon and destroyer 666

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 12:13 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. Kalis_wrath writes:

^Rotting Christ and Necro Christos are great too.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 1:06 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. KoRNBoY writes:

i ChAngEd mUH MiNd gHoStS aRe ReAL BrUdDa;; yE mAyne SaTaN jUsT sEnT mEh aN e-MAiL ;D hE sAiD hE sTaRRiNg iN gAy PoRn wIt KaLiS ??! wTf ;D;DD aYo aYo

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 1:10 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. psythe writes:

mmm, Satyricon :) Destroyer666 aren't half bad either.

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# Apr 30, 2008 @ 4:21 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. cruor writes:

If you can listen to the low fi than check out Xasthur, f*** a name. I doubt that just discovering BM that you can go to that tho. I recommend De Mysteriis Dom Sathana (Mayhem) next, than Transylvanian Hunger (Darkthrone (caution if you are not 100% caught up in the atmosphere of it you WILL NOT GET IT)). Terminator said Marduk, the thing is with Marduk they are hit and miss. I personally like Those Of The Unlight and Panzer Division Marduk. I also liked Dark Funeral's Secrets of the Black Arts.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 3:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. cruor writes:

And Satyricon's The Shadowthrone is a must.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 3:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. LiquidMetal writes:

intersting story kalis. i personally believe in the supernatural. from what ive seen there has always been some correlation or connection between supernatural powers and satan, anything from being psychic to communicating with the dead. i can certainly understand why someone would be a satanist. i sincerely tried it once but no sh*t ever happened. maybe because i was already a christian at that time. i dont want to get into the whole spiritual realm thing unless you want me to so ill leave it at that.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 3:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. LiquidMetal writes:

wait, nevermind, i lied. some christians are known to be able to miraculously heal people, either get raised or raise others from the dead, and have other unexplainable things happen to them. but if you ask them theyll say that it was god who did it not them, so in the same way its satan whos giving the power to psychics, etc. i think supernatural things happen to those who believe in it, and those who have a religious belief of some sort. if you look into cults around the world, strange things happen to them to. theres a very paranormal world hidden to us, whether you believe it or not. people say theyll believe it when they see it, but you wont see it until you believe it, well at least most of the time. ive heard of people change their skeptical minds after they experience something completely unexplainable.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 5:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. LiquidMetal writes:

kalis_wrath, tell us some of your other experiences. youve got me curius now. and from what ive heard, ouija boards do work sometimes. but then you get possessed and get demons in the house or something. haha

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 5:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. LiquidMetal writes:

christians have authority over demons, which is why some can perform excorcisms and drive out demons/ghosts. sorry if some of you find all this ridiculous bullsh*t.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 5:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. ED209 writes:

do you guys believe in the easter bunny too?

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 8:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. LiquidMetal writes:

yes i like eating its eggs.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 8:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. KoRNBoY writes:

wHy Ain"t dEr n0 gHoStS iN dA h0oD oR cHiNa dEn mAyNe?? oR uFo'S iN MeXiCo ;D;;D

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 9:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. ED209 writes:

^are you mental?

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 9:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. Kalis_wrath writes:

ED209, yes he is. The best thing to do is to ignore him. In regards to the easter bunny I would have to be a christian child to believe in that. I am niether. I am a 23 year old Satanic woman.

Another instance of spirits or whatever one wants to "comfortably" call them is that I lived with one. My parents own a home in a town called Scappoose in Oregon. A man I have named Frank died in the bedroom that was my sisters then mine when she moved out. I have named him Frank as the letter "F" seemed to always be seen with him. He moved things around and had a liking to my calculator that was a battery powered deal that had to be turned on by a button and many times he would type things to me like "hello"on it and put it under my bed. No alcohol or drugs on my part either I was a straight edger as a teen. He was tall, brown straight hair, wore a red plaid shirt and blue jeans. I also got he was very sick, something about his lungs and stomoch. Age was between 45 and 50.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 10:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. Kalis_wrath writes:

I wish I could say that these stories are un-true, but that would be a lie. I also get my uncle Wayne comming around me. He comit suicide way before I was born. My Moms Mother stays away from me thankfuly!

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 10:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. LiquidMetal writes:

interesting. do you still have them around you today?? at least you got the friendly kind. many hauntings turn violent.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 11:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. bananaterracottapie writes:

The only esoteric ritual I perform is with my girlfriend ;)

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 11:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. KoRNBoY writes:

aYo KaLiS h0w LoW aRe y0 BaLLs HaNGiN' TeHdAy? ;D

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 11:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. LiquidMetal writes:

does anyone know anything about bass guitars?? i was thinking of getting one so i need some advice. wheres godlike when you need him.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 11:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. KoRNBoY writes:

wTF bRuDdA dUn gEt a BaSe MaYnE sTaCk uP oN GuiTaRs oR BuiLd a MaSsiVe DrUm sEt ;Dl;D

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 11:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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49. Kalis_wrath writes:

He will show soon. The Godlike man answers prayers to his fellow brothers and sisters of steel. In regards to your question to me is yes Wayne shows up to this day.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 11:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. psythe writes:

The most interesting thing about this entire discussion, from my point of view, was Kali saying "I was a straight edger as a teen" - assuming, since you didn't simply say "I am a straight edger", that you are no longer of that persuasion, can I ask what made you change your mind?

Now Playing: SOAD - "I-E-A-I-A-I-O"

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 11:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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51. LiquidMetal writes:

wait, so only you can see this stuff, no one else?? can you talk to him??
kornboy, drums would be cool but i think i would annoy the entire block since you cant turn down the volume.

# Apr 30, 2008 @ 11:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. Kalis_wrath writes:

Psythe, I have been throuh ALOT and have seen alot. My alcohol not only tastes good but it medicates. My cigs calm me down and am easier to be around. Pot helped my anorexia too. They are not the best ways to eal with deppression and anxiety, but it works. I began to smoke at 18, drinking regular at 21 and pot was at around 19.

LM, I dont know if I am the only one. He says very little, mostly smiles as he knows my Mom is doing o.k.

# May 1, 2008 @ 12:07 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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53. Kalis_wrath writes:

Through*

# May 1, 2008 @ 12:08 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. ED209 writes:

Im too much of a skeptic, ive never experienced anything in my life that has lead me to believe in the supernatural. I have heard stories but never from a reliable source. This is in NO WAY meant to be an insult to you Kali's but the simple fact is I do not know you at all. And where I come from a weed smoking satanist I met on the internet is not a reliable source. Again NO offense intended I just dont know you.

# May 1, 2008 @ 12:44 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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55. Kalis_wrath writes:

Ex-weed smoker, ED209. I do welcome you to confirm my first example. I also have mentioned that I took along time to accept and embrace my "gift." I dont care if anyone believes me and do understand you being speptical of what you read from someone online. No offence taken as I know some believe in this stuff and some dont even when the evidence is right in front of them.

# May 1, 2008 @ 12:56 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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56. KoRNBoY writes:

hUsHm0uF h0e, PeOPLe WiT BRiLLiaNT MiNdS LiKe MeH cAn'T bE f0oLeD bY DrUg AdDiCtS LiKe y0u ;D dAmN, wHo EvA bELiEvE iN sAtAn iS LiKe MeNtALLy HaNdiCaP ;D rAfAfA!@!@ tRuE sToRy s0n ;D;;D sToP bEiNg gAy KaLiS ;D

# May 1, 2008 @ 2:15 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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57. XWigglesX writes:

Ah dunno about this kind of stuff. But aliens, for sure.
Anyone else?

Oh and go away KoRNBoY. People like you are a dying breed. People who think Korn are a decent band.

# May 1, 2008 @ 5:55 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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58. LiquidMetal writes:

aliens are there for sure. too much evidence(though there is a lot of fake sh*t out there). ive had my own experience with ufos.

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59. LiquidMetal writes:

dont be fooled by the government, theyre behind it.

# May 1, 2008 @ 12:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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60. cruor writes:

UFO conversation now? WTF?

As far as extra-terestrial beings go I guess you can say I'm agnostic. The one thing I won't say is that they don't exist.

Kali- no more weed? I feel bad for you.

# May 1, 2008 @ 2:13 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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61. Fuck A Name writes:

^Whoever mentioned Khanate up there, thank you, completely forgot about them. Listened to them years ago, but it creeped me the f*** out at the time. Now that i think about it though, that is EXACTLy what I wanted to hear. lol. Thanks. I've heard Destroyer666 and Darkthrone before too, and those for the most part fit the bill as well. !Gracias Senors! Been meaning to check out Mayhem for a while, but never remember to. Hey, I'll just do it right now, f***. Oh, and it's not really me just now discovering BM, it's just that now I'm starting to thoroughly enjoy it. A friend of mine has been pushing the sh** on me for years, but I just couldn't get into it at the time. Didn't need it yet I guess, idk.

YES! A UFO discussion!
-I'm not sure if they exist, but I would be p***ed as sh** if there was no other life out there besides us when the universe possibly stretches to infinity! The only problem is faster than light travel. I mean, if they CAN travel faster than light, then according to Einstein, the aliens could also travel throught time due to the rules of Realativity. How terrifying would that be!? I'm more comfortable believeing that all the stuff you see on the news and whatnot are hoaxes, while real aliens are at a level of technology similar to us back on THEIR planet. I draw the line at Leprachauns and Unicorns though. f*** that sh**.

Kalis, be careful, the last person who told me they had quit weed for good ended up a crackhead 2 weeks later. Not sayin you will, just sayin watch cho' self girl. ;D

Now Playing: Ted Maul- "Forest...With this Memory of a Free Festival"

# May 1, 2008 @ 3:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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62. LiquidMetal writes:

ancient artifacts have depicted aliens and ufos and they havent seem to have changed. either they do travel through time or they are so many thousands of years ahead of us that their technology has peaked. but that doesnt make sense cuz then why would some "ufos" crash land??

theyve probably found a way to travel that bends the rules of relativity. ufos seem to be mass avoiding, since the extreme accelerations they experience would tear anything apart. its been calculated up to tens of thousands of G's according to observed flight patterns. thats more than 1000 times more force than the top jet fighters can handle before they disentegrate. 10 G's is already a lot, that would mean a 180 pound man would have so much force exerted it would feel like he was 1800 pounds.

# May 1, 2008 @ 5:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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63. LiquidMetal writes:

there is also the theory that '"aliens" are demonically based and take the form of aliens to decieve us. this comes from study of ufo abductees who say that they teach anti-christian messages.

# May 1, 2008 @ 5:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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64. LiquidMetal writes:

sh*t i sound crazy in this thread, haha.

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Yup!

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66. psythe writes:

I don't believe in UFO's, but I do believe in aliens. Not, when I say that, the type of conventional green, egg-shaped head type thing that seems to be popular. I have no idea what an alien would look like or whatever. My thing is, with a universe of possibilities and potentials out there, there must - MUST - be AT LEAST one other planet that has the right environment to 'grow' lifeforms. It doesn't seem feasable to me that there wouldn't be. They could still be merely single-celled organisms, or just fish in an ocean, but coming from a different world, that still makes them aliens to me :) As for aliens that are more advanced than us, it wouldn't surprise me considering how stupid most people are hahah :P

No way man, Leprechauns are for real real lol. The Unicorns tell me so :P

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"Thats impossible, there is no such thing as trolls."

"Then how do you explain all the dead unicorns?"

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68. Kalis_wrath writes:

I second Psythe. I was huge into astronamy as a little girl and to delve into astronamy one begins to wonder where the aliens are?

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69. Cynic writes:

Holy crap I can take it no longer!

I am a hardened skeptic and science lover and anything remotely spiritual or supernatural I absolutely love to rip to pieces. However if the internet has taught me only one thing it's that arguments over religion and spirituality never lead anywhere.

But jesus - how old are you LiquidMetal? You sound like you'd believe anything anyone told you - "aliens are there for sure. too much evidence" - WTF are you talking about, I'm guessing you wouldn't know the first thing about the obstacles it would take for any other species to get to earth - do you understand what F.A.N. is talking about with Einstein? Panspermia and what not are the most probable chance we have of meeting any alien species but the notion of b-movie grade alien hysteria coming true is... beyond belief, if you read both sides of the story rather than spiritual propaganda then you will undoubtedly find science crushes any flaky logic. Sorry to be the bearer of unexciting news but the world isn't as mysterious as you think. There are a lot of good documentaries out there which give a good overview of what we know, watch more discovery channel and read less propaganda.

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70. psythe writes:

hahah, in terms of aliens, I'm mostly with you, Cynic. UFO's are bullsh**, as far as I'm concerned. But I still feel that there is the possibility that alien lifeforms exist elsewhere in the universe. the problem is, we haven't developed technology that can allow us to see, up close and personal, very much at all of the universe. So in my mind, aliens are possible - even probable - but UFO's are neither.

On the spiritual thing, a lot of the new age and 'mysterious' crap is just that - crap. But some of it, I think you'll find, is kinda fun to go along with. It's the people that start to believe in their own jokes that take it too far.

As for science, I think it has the most reasonable answers of any persuasion. It's ideas are based on what we know, rather than what we believe. But on the other hand, I think it is important to question things from an imaginary point of view as much as a logical one. Creating answers is just as important as finding answers. Perhaps we should more readily believe those we find, rather than create, however :P

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71. Cynic writes:

Oh definately, I would think it'd be astronomically miraculous if we were the only form of life in the universe. I remember they think they might send a probe to Europa, one of Jupiter's moons to look for life because of geothermal vents and such which is cool, I'm behind those sorts of projects.

"But some of it, I think you'll find, is kinda fun to go along with" - Absolutely! I was obsessed with ghosts, aliens, wizards etc as a kid - probably explains why I love metal bands so much :P

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72. cruor writes:

I guess you could call me one of those paranoid government conspiracy nuts but when you consider that we haven't really found a planet capable of harboring life (that doesn't mean that another planet that can't support our lives can support a completely different being who has adapted to its environment) doesn't mean that their isn't one out their with extra-terestrial life on it but to consider how far we have discovered out their and realizing how long it would take for them to get to Earth would be absurd to think that an extra-terestiral being is even in this galaxy. Don't give me the they can travel at the speed of light crap that is impossible, you know what you get at that speed? A f***ing wormhole/blackhole. Even if it was possible it is still a f***ing far trip to travel to the Milky Way Galaxy based upon what we have explored, even at the speed of light (light travels at approx 299,792,458 meters/second (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_speed))

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73. LiquidMetal writes:

cynic, i used to be a skeptic too, until i saw a ufo, but being a skeptic, youd probably tell me it was a military plane. one thing ive learned is that arguing with skeptics is the most frustrating thing ever. just keep an open mind, if you serious look into this stuff you might change your mind. i dont believe everything im told by the way, but i keep a neutral viewpoint until i look into it further to find out for myself if it is real or bullsh*t, and i admit there is far more bs than the actual truth.

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74. LiquidMetal writes:

cruor, i wouldnt say its impossible, if aliens are thousands of years ahead of us technologically, think about what they could do. only 100 years ago people said it was absolutely impossible to go to the moon.

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75. LiquidMetal writes:

its much easier to believe in something than to be a skeptic. all it takes is one piece of genuine evidence to support something you believe. but being a skeptic, you have to disprove every single thing out there. im kinda into science too, but knowledge of science doesnt mean we know everything.

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76. Terminator writes:

one clarification i would like to make is that a U.F.O is NOT the same thing as an extraterrestrial. U.F.Os DO exist as they are merely flying objects that one doesnt know what, exactly, the object is. while extraterrestrials are life forms originating outside of earth. there have beens scientific observations of remains of microrganisms and even worm-like species on other planets, but that's it.

it amazes me that the when people think of U.F.Os and E.Ts that they are monster-like beings with far greater technology and intelligence than our own. i would like to believe that there is sustained life on one of the many earth-like planets out there with high intelligence, but the reality is that the evolution of the human mind was probably an improbable fluke and will most likely never occur again.

but i guess if you want to get technical, extraterrestrials have land here on earth. meteors that have crashed into earth have been found to also be carrying bacteria, proving that E.T. life does exist...just not in the imaginative way we would like.

as for the ghost discussion - sorry kalis, but no dice here. maybe you did see what you saw, but i just cant believe in ghosts or spirits, etc. the mind can be an incredible manipulator.

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77. Kalis_wrath writes:

Well Termie, like I said I am not here to change anyones beliefs. Just to share my experiances.

# May 2, 2008 @ 12:34 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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78. Cynic writes:

Ughh..... and how old are you?

a) Yes, I would tell you it is more likely whatever you saw has a normal explanation as opposed to interstellar beings traveling all the way across multiple galaxies somehow defeating the laws of gravity and evading leaving behind any credible evidence at all.

b) "think about what they could do" - Since we know matter can't travel faster than the speed of light, the classic b-movie idea of an alien ship whizzing through space to dissect our livestock is totally impractical because of the time it takes to get here, even if the beings lived for thousands of years.

c) It is much easier to believe something unquestionably than to prove it or provide evidence - that is why people must be skeptical. I'd even say "its much easier to believe in something than to be a skeptic" is not true when it comes to the spiritual - our bodies are tuned to tell us certain things that make it easy to believe rather than being a skeptic. Example - Kids know/believe there's nothing under the bed but they still take a running leap on to the bed just to make sure.

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79. Cynic writes:

The above is to LiquidMetal. Also Terminator, "meteors that have crashed into earth have been found to also be carrying bacteria" - I thought there has still been no confirmed life found and that they had found under microscope patterns that "looked" like it could be bacteria.

Good to hear that kalis! You have such a great attitude, something missing in 90% of people who discuss this sort of stuff lol.

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80. LiquidMetal writes:

im 17, ive been through this kinda stuff before and i dont want to go through it again because it takes too much explanation. you believe what you believe and ill believe what i believe, just leave it at that. nothings gonna change my mind and nothings gonna change yours so why bother??

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81. Kalis_wrath writes:

Cynic, I think I would be no better than an xtian t.v evangalist if I were here to try to change what anyone believes in. I could care less if I was the only one who did. I would still believe as I do and would still go about life as normal. My shareing of what I am convicted to and what I have been through is just me doing just that. Shareing.

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82. Terminator writes:

kalis - im not trying to deny you what you saw or can see because i wasnt there, i've never had such an experience and i've been to quite a few "haunted" sites that have been pure bullsh**. im also not trying to change your beliefs. that said, i do enjoy horror films and quality ghost stories so do share more!

cynic - not sure if they've confirmed any evidence of bacteria/viruses on meteors that have hit earth, but i believe they have found such evidence on meteors that have landed on mars....so i guess i'm assuming.

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83. bananaterracottapie writes:

This kinda reminds me of Dan Brown's 'Deception Point'.

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84. bananaterracottapie writes:

Ghosts and Aliens are gaga googoo sh**. But im a huge fan of horror movies and Panspermia is a logical theory.

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85. XWigglesX writes:

Ah I love alien/UFO stuff. In my opinion UFO's are alien. Maybe craft. Maybe atual aliens. I hate it when people say it can't be an alien ship because it is "impossible" to travel that far. Just becasue we can't do it it doesn't mean someone else out there can't do it. And I don't care if it is impossible according to Enstien. We still have a long way to go. It doesn't mean that someone else has figured out something else. The universe is massive. Who knows what is out there, hell we could have came from a meteor or something. Science is all theory until proof. We don't even know how the universe was actually formed. All theories.
Lol I like how discussions on here between regulars are always civillised. Not like on last. fm or something haha.

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86. LiquidMetal writes:

science cant prove a lot of stuff. one thing i have found to be a common phenomenon is dreaming something and then have it come true and get played out in front of you some time later. this has happened to me before and ive heard others talk about this happening too. everyone has their own dose and perspective of reality. in my opinion, this world is wierder than we think it is. you may think im crazy but in hindsight many famous scientists back then were thought crazy too but they were correct, not saying i am, but how would anyone ever know?? reality is relative. we all have our own beliefs but we still live life normally as any human would so until we have absolute answers i think we should all keep an open mind.

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87. Cynic writes:

"Science is all theory until proof.... All theories."

This is a common misconception, the word theory when in the context of science is means something different than the normal word - No surprise I look and wikipedia has exactly the quote I need lol!

"The word theory has a lot of distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on their methodologies and the context of discussion.

In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behavior are Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and the theory of general relativity.

In common usage, the word theory is often used to signify a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. This usage of theory leads to the common incorrect statements. True descriptions of reality are more reflectively understood as statements which would be true independently of what people think about them." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories

So maybe using some crazy fourth dimensional transmitter aliens can visit us - but why would we believe that over Einsteins proof? Occams Razor - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

"science cant prove a lot of stuff" - A combination of statistics and science (psychology specifically) can easily show it would be a miracle if some dreams and thoughts didn't come true, but LiquidMetal it sounds like all the logic in the world wouldn't change your mind - if you agree are you then still so open-minded? The answers to supernatural questions are out there if your mind is open to look at them.

Keeping an open mind is an easy mantra to recite, but acting as if all theories, both scientific and human are equal is logical fallacy.

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88. LiquidMetal writes:

i dont mean just thoughts, what ive dreamt has been played out exactly like how i dreamed it, kinda like foreseeing the future. if science can explain this then maybe i will look into it more to see if science can actually change my mind over the whole supernatural thing.

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89. LiquidMetal writes:

i think ill leave it up to real scientists to find answers, not just say its fake bs but actually try to explain some of the wierd sh*t that happens.

# May 2, 2008 @ 3:43 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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90. Cynic writes:

Here's a nice overview of the skeptics view of dreams, also prophetic dreams - http://skepdic.com/dreams.html

Here's a quote - "Such dreams are impressive to those who lack understanding of the law of truly large numbers, confirmation bias, and how memory works. If the odds are a million to one that any given dream is truly prophetic, then, given the number of people on earth and the average number of dreams people have during each sleep period (250 dream themes a night, according to Hines, p. 50), we should expect that every single day of our lives there will be more than 1.5 million dreams that seem clairvoyant. "

Sorry for the large off topic posts - as I said, I could take this thread no longer!

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91. LiquidMetal writes:

how many of the 250 dreams(if thats even true) would you remember clearly?? it just doesnt seem possible that you can dream something down to the exact detail, and then days or months later have it happen in real life. i dont mean just an instant of it coming true. its not like i dreamt i would do something and then i did it. its far more complex than that. just think about a movie clip and how detailed it is. thats basically what it was like, the clarity of it. the human brain could dream about anything, the odds that it produces a sequence of events exactly the way you saw something down to minute detail about something in the past is already a low probability. i would much easier believe that it was brain memory malfunctions that made me think i dreamt it.

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92. Cynic writes:

Argh - did you read the article or just my quote? Your brain is geared to take in the big picture and fill in the blanks, there are numerous psychological tests to prove this (here's a fun one - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4)

So while you may think you remember details like a movie clip, that's not quite true. When events happen in real life that have the same big picture, our brain fills in the blanks.

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93. psythe writes:

oh look, Cynic's doing all my arguing for me :) hahah - by the way, Occam's Razor? f***in good, the smart kids that figure these things out, hey? I dunno how they do it.

Actually, I'm gonna go with Liquid on this- prophetic dreams are real sh**, man. I had a dream that I f***ed Jolie doggy-style... hasn't happened yet, but here's to hoping, huh? :P

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94. XWigglesX writes:

Fair enough Cynic. Man it pisses me off when people call me "illogical" or tell me I have my head in the clouds when I say I believe SOME alien/UFO encounters are genuine. Oh well. Just what I believe.
Dreams...I never remember them anymore. But if I do they are always dismal. I remember dreams I had when I was about 8 which is strange. But not dreams I have now.
Here is another one...BIGFOOT!
Maybe a man in a suit, maybe a real animal. I'll go with the first.
Haha

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95. psythe writes:

Bigfoot? That's just Ian Thorpe before he shaves :P

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96. XWigglesX writes:

Hahahahahahahahaah is Bigfoot gay? Ah ahahahahaa

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97. Slipknot Msggot writes:

Not quite, he f***s anything that walks, so I guess that makes him bi. Lol.

# May 2, 2008 @ 9:52 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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98. Terminator writes:

LM - that's very true that the knowledge of science doesnt mean we know everything, or that science is 100% accurate. keep in mind that science information is under constant scutiny and review and is constantly updated as we discover futher details about whatever it is we're investigating....so that tells me that scientists dont just try to create or settle for answers unless it is flawlessly proven.

just because it's in a book doesnt mean its true, however, just because you believe something doesnt make that true either.

however, science has provided more often then not provable facts that will be true forever. the laws of physics aren't going to all of a sudden become obsolete. i actually have a family member who believes so thoroughly in the bible, that he actually gets offended if you mention the existence of dinosaurs. there is way too much scientific evidence to disprove such a dominant existance. sorry...but that's an example of blind ignorance to fact.

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99. Kalis_wrath writes:

Thank you Termie for saveing me from typeing that. Science is a very valid form of study. It like the humans who study it are imperfect. I could not tell you if science will explain everything and personally could care less. It would be nice, but somethings are perhaps just ment to be a mystery.

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100. Kalis_wrath writes:

Hahahaha! Maybe science can explain why Dimmu's "I.S.D" made my cramps go away? :p

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101. LiquidMetal writes:

ok maybe im delusional, i dont want to have to go through this. ive done this before and i dont want to do it again. the article still doesnt prove or disprove a lot of stuff that has happened to other people. for example, i forgot when this was, but like 15 people one night all had the exact same dream of a dead person, and the next day someone died in the exact same fashion and no one at the time knew about the death until later.

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102. LiquidMetal writes:

and you can only disprove someone doesnt have psychic abilities if they claim they can use it by will, but most of the time its not and the happen rarely. i really dont care if you think im mental, but until i get an overwhelming piece of evidence that explains this kinda stuff, im gonna hold on to what i believe. i remember i was told by a skeptic that when several witnesses claimed they saw a ufo and an alien that it was just mass hallucinations. ridiculous bullsh*t.

# May 2, 2008 @ 1:22 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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103. LiquidMetal writes:

science tried to explain some phenomenon but has fallen short, as there are still many unexplained mysteries out there. and psythe take a trip to some famous haunted places and stay there for several days before you come to the conclusion that ghosts dont exist.

# May 2, 2008 @ 1:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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104. ED209 writes:

Mass hallucination or a mass lie. some of the people are just flakes looking for their 15 minutes on some television show.
Riddle me this agent Mulder, which seems more realistic, that 15 people saw an actual UFO/alien without the slightest shred of tangible evidence to proof their sighting and there is an evil government conspiracy to cover it up? or that these 15 fools got together for a big hoax to give dweebs like us somethign to banter over?

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105. bananaterracottapie writes:

Isnt telekinesis real? Always thought it was cool as f***!

# May 2, 2008 @ 2:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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106. cruor writes:

Now your bringing the X-Files into this, that is not cool man.

# May 2, 2008 @ 2:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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107. bananaterracottapie writes:

No X-files sh**. There have been instances of people doing it. Ever heard of spoon bending?

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Notable witnesses to PK events
Psychokinetic events have been witnessed by psychologists in the United States at the Ph.D, Masters, and B.A. degree levels,and in the U.S. and elsewhere in the world by professionals with medical degrees,physicists, electrical engineers,[56] military personnel,[60][61] police officers,[62][63] and other professionals and ordinary citizens. Robert M. Schoch, Ph.D, a Yale-educated geologist, geophysicist, author, and professor at Boston University has written "I do believe that some PK is real" referring to the evidence for micro-PK obtained by the Princeton PEAR laboratory experiments and similar studies and some reports of macro-RSPK observed in poltergeist cases. He once witnessed a book "jumping off a shelf" while in a room where a female PK agent was also present.[64]


[edit] Michael Crichton
Best-selling author Michael Crichton (The Andromeda Strain, Jurassic Park, etc.), who graduated from Harvard College and received his medical degree from Harvard Medical School,[58] and is a past recipient of the Association of American Medical Writers Award,[58] described his successful experience with psychokinesis at a "spoon bending party" in his 1988 book Travels:[58]

I looked down. My spoon had begun to bend. I hadn't even realized. The metal was completely pliable, like soft plastic. It wasn't particularly hot, either, just slightly warm. I easily bend the bowl of the spoon in half, using only my fingertips. This didn't require any pressure at all, just guiding with my fingertips. I put the bent spoon aside and tried a fork. After a few moments of rubbing, the fork twisted like a pretzel. It was easy. I bent several more spoons and forks. ... I had bent a spoon, and I knew it wasn't a trick. I looked around the room and saw little children, eight or nine years old, bending large metal bars. They weren't trying to trick anybody.

— Michael Crichton, Travels , 1988, pages 319-320

[edit] Dean Radin
Parapsychologist and author Dean Radin has reported that he, too, was able to bend the bowl of a spoon over with unexplained ease of force with witnesses present at an informal PK experiment gathering. Radin has a Ph.D in psychology from the University of Illinois, a Masters degree in electrical engineering from the University of Illinois, and a B.A. degree in electrical engineering, magna c** laude, from the University of Massachusetts.[56] He described his experience in his 2006 book Entangled Minds: Extrasensory Experiences in a Quantum Reality and online (with photos):[56]

I was much more skeptical about such claims until one day I personally folded the bowl of a large, heavy soup spoon in half with a gentle touch, and with half a dozen witnesses present. I later tested to see if I could do this again with a similar spoon using ordinary force. I couldn't budge the bowl without the assistance of two pairs of pliers and some serious leverage. So I have good reason to doubt the usual skeptical assertion that all cases of metal-bending are conjuring tricks or due to unconscious use of force.

— Dean Radin, Entangled Minds, page 331
Wikipedia article - Psychokinesis

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109. LiquidMetal writes:

apparently there is evidence to it, so im not sure, except that the witnessess arent random people, they are more credible people, such as doctors, mayors, military personell, etc.

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110. LiquidMetal writes:

ok so you think what ive been saying all along is bs but now youre saying you believe in telekineses??

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111. Kalis_wrath writes:

Me and the ol man know alot about "spoon bending" Hehehe!

# May 2, 2008 @ 3:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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112. Fuck A Name writes:

The dream/clairvoyance thing: The brain is constantly running millions of possible outcomes of every indivual instance, even more so while asleep, since everything else is shut down. Ever wonder why we only use 10% of our brains? That's just the part that we CONSCIOUSLY use. The other 90 is devoted to all the other bullsh**, like our automatic functions and the above forementioned predictiveness. So when A Lot of people all dream that someone is going to die, and it happens, it's because the circumstances leading up to that day very closely dictated that outcome, and our subconscious minds recognized it. We just can't to follow the intense logical reasonings ourselves without overloading our thought processes, so our underlying mind does it for us. Kinda takes away from the fun of all the mysticism I suppose, but I guess that's why ignorance is bliss.

On aliens/ faster than light travel: Actually, going along with the cosmic string theory, IT IS Possible to move along sections of space where the speed of light actually INCREASES, thusly still following along with the theory of relativity. Along these "strings", you could theoretically move many times the original speed of light without converting into energy or distorting you perception of time too much. The problem is that we don't know HOW to access these areas; so far, only energy waves can.
There is also the concept of folding space, creating singularitities on two points of space that fold the universe to meet each other, thusly creating a wormhole through which to travel. Normal dimensions that we are awre of would not be affected, the folding is impossible to perceive realistically, it is really just a term to describe it in simple concepts. THAT, we know can be done, it's just a matter of coming up with the tech to do so, which is far beyond what we possess today, (and also keeping the two singularities from collapsing, lest the traveler be redispered as atoms afterward). There is some even more terrifying sh** out there if you start really digging into physics; (did you know the electron does'nt actually exist? it's actually just an energy hole into the antimatter universe. WTF?!!??). So You see, I'm skeptical about u'FOs, but I don't completely discount them, they could very well be real. then Again, I like to envision the twisted irony that WE are the most evolved/advenced species out there right now, and it will be US visiting and abducting civilized people in the future. Horrible, I know, but it would be funny.

I just think it's funny that "CYNIC" doesn't believe in UFOs or Dreams that tell the future. Just a delightful irony in my opinion.

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113. bananaterracottapie writes:

Dude, no, I never said that! I just thought ghosts and aliens were a bit too childish, while there were lots of cool paranormal sh** happening right here on planet earth, although there has got to be some logical scientific explanation for psychokinesis in general.

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114. LiquidMetal writes:

cynic, one more thing about the dreams thing, ive had dreams about people before i met them. had dreams about random places ive never been to and then one day i meet the person and ive never seen them before, and i travel on a trip to the place ive dreamt and it is not a famous location or anything i saw in a picture. its kinda like a deja vu except i remember them from my dreams. i think its a futile attempt to say its just a coincidence. i would accept any scientific theory if it made any sense at all.

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115. LiquidMetal writes:

id be more than willing to accept a scientific theory that explains everything and actually fits with what ive been through and what others have been through, but every explanation falls short.

and in my opinion, aliens, ghosts, and psychokinesis are all on the same level.

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116. bananaterracottapie writes:

Who else wants to be a parapsychologist?....Its the coolest thing since gynaecology!

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117. LiquidMetal writes:

if you can convince me that everyone who believes in the supernatural is just plain insane and can prove it then id accept that too. lol

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118. bananaterracottapie writes:

LiquidMetal, youre living proof of that :P Just kidding!

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119. bananaterracottapie writes:

Where'd everybody go...? was I being too weird?

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120. LiquidMetal writes:

can someone help me with this??

i remember during the summer several years back i saw something fly at extreme speeds across the sky. it had a silver chassis, made no noise, had a green glow on the underbelly, and was not shaped like a plane or anything. then it when into a cloak, it started dissappearing from the front left to the back right and then it was gone, like someone had wrapped an invisibility cloak around it slowly so the whole thing didnt disappear at once. im trying to figure out what i saw, but i cant find anything. i doubt it was human technology, but i could be wrong i guess...

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121. LiquidMetal writes:

thanks for post 118, haha

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122. bananaterracottapie writes:

I have no idea what to say to that... a glowing frisbee, maybe?

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123. bananaterracottapie writes:

There has been some physical evidence of UFO after - effects. Check out the wiki article.

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124. Fuck A name writes:

^it was bigfoot, no other explanation

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125. ED209 writes:

Come on people, get real! Who was the peson bending the spoon, was it Keanu Reeves?

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126. LiquidMetal writes:

like i said reality is relative. you cant tell someone to get "real"

# May 2, 2008 @ 3:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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127. bananaterracottapie writes:

I'm definitely a skeptic when it comes to aliens and UFOs, but that definitely creeped me out for a second. Anyway I think we should ditch this sh** and move on to the hottest chicks in heavy metal thread.

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128. psythe writes:

lol @ posts 111 and 116

Hey, actually, I've seen people do the telekinetic thing! It's f***in cool, man. I saw a chair start dancing. Like, a full on waltz, too, man. That sure was some strong acid :P hahah

Hot chicks? Nah, I'm a skeptic about them too :P

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129. Cynic writes:

Arghh - this thread will be my undoing. Please.

"i think its a futile attempt to say its just a coincidence." - Too bad because I'll say it anyway. Did you know, just yesterday I went outside to check the paper and I saw this cute girl who I'd been in a hall (you call them dorms I think) with walking past my house, I hadn't seen her for a while and she smiled, that was it. Anyway, I pick up the paper and wham, there she is on the front cover. COINCIDENCE, OCCAM'S RAZOR, STATISTICS, CONFIRMATION BIAS ETC

Now LM I take it you still haven't read the entire article or the links it had to confirmation bias etc. so I'm going to assume that you are in fact to lazy to care about finding the truth. As I said it's much easier to believe your primal instincts and the ridiculous things they'll lead you to believe than to search out the natural occurance, but here's some more anyway.

"Numerous studies have demonstrated that people generally give an excessive amount of value to confirmatory information, that is, to positive or supportive data. The "most likely reason for the excessive influence of confirmatory information is that it is easier to deal with cognitively" (Gilovich 1993). It is much easier to see how a piece of data supports a position than it is to see how it might count against the position. Consider a typical ESP experiment or a seemingly clairvoyant dream: Successes are often unambiguous or data are easily massaged to count as successes, while negative instances require intellectual effort to even see them as negative or to consider them as significant. The tendency to give more attention and weight to the positive and the confirmatory has been shown to influence memory. When digging into our memories for data relevant to a position, we are more likely to recall data that confirms the position (ibid.)."

As far as post 120 goes - just read it. "chassis", "invisibility cloak" - you've already made up your mind this was a UFO from you're past experiences, movies, memories, conversations, it's what your brain was created to do. I'm guessing you won't take the time to look at Occam's Razor or anything else mentioned so I won't press any further.

@bananaterracottapie - thanks for giving a great example of misdirection - looking at post 108 it is easy to think "wow I never knew that, maybe there is some truth to it." But of course that is because we are only receiving one side of the story. Reading the entire wikipedia article will leave a significantly different thought in your mind. Such as if it's so easy to bend a spoon with you're mind, such that a room of people could all do it - why is there an uncollected $1,000,000 prize if you can prove you can do just such a thing.

And F.A.N. the Cynic thing is just a coincidence, although I do like the band Atheist too... and Spiral Architects "A Skeptics Universe" as well... haha what is it with all these tech bands and skepticism?

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130. LiquidMetal writes:

i didnt believe in aliens until that happened. im gonna ditch this topic, its pointless.

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131. LiquidMetal writes:

and i did read the whole thing

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132. LiquidMetal writes:

anyone here know anything about guitars?? i need advice, specifically bass guitars.

# May 2, 2008 @ 7:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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133. Cynic writes:

That depends how serious you are about learning. If you're testing the water go cheaper, if you really want to do it buy a mid range to save yourself upgrading later on. And what ever you do, don't learn left handed even if you are left-handed - you can't play anyone else's guitars and you're will cost hundreds more! I've always thought ESP make nice basses.

But don't get too stressed about the quality of your bass. Bolt on, custom inlays, maplewood etc - it won't mean sh** if you don't have a wicked amp. So do yourself a favour and buy a cheap guitar and a sweet amp, rather than a cheap package deal with some pissy box you'll have to upgrade in a year.

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134. psythe writes:

I'm left handed, but I naturally play guitar right-handed, lol. Go figure. Playing left-handed is so back-to-front! Weird... hahah

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135. Kalis_wrath writes:

Psythe, they say that the left part of your brain opperates your right side and your left side is opperated by your left. You mean to tell us that when you play your guitiar you are not in your right mind??

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136. psythe writes:

hahahah, who WANTS to be in their right mind? I'd rather have fun losing it :P

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137. Kalis_wrath writes:

Agreed Psythe! A sane mind is a boring mind!

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138. LiquidMetal writes:

cool, thanks cynic.

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139. cruor writes:

Anyone know any good drone, drone doom, or dark ambient bands to check out?

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140. cruor writes:

Especially drone stuff all I have on Drone is Earth and Sunn O)))

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141. Cynic writes:

Earth... Hex is a genius album. Pretty much anything by Stephen O'Malley is worth checking out, so Khanate, Burning Witch, Teeth of Lions Rule the Divine, Thorr's Hammer. But they're more extreme doom with drone tendencies. I haven't checked out Lotus Eaters or Ginnungagap but they're bound to be good. Nadja is another popular one, thought apart from that, Boris and more black/ambient stuff I don't know too many. A lot of american black metal these days though has more of a depressive/Xasthur influence, you might want to check that out. I quite like Draugar and Leviathan.

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142. cruor writes:

^Ill give some of that a shot man thanks for the direction.

Have you heard the collaboration of Sunn O))) and Boris called Altar? Now that is something awesome.

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143. killerdemon123 writes:

i'd like to see him try to do that because i just got there cd yesterday and their cool. oh and the lead singer of wednesday 13 marry me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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144. xFiruath writes:

Somebody brought up UFOs earlier in this post so I thought I'd share this as it's somewhat relevant. The front man from Three stated that he saw a UFO with his family when he was six and that the government covered it up. The article was originally posted on Headbanger's Blog if anyone cares to read it. It's a highly dubious claim, of course, especially considering his age and the comments he makes like "It was huge like a floating city" (Well duh, of course the airplane seemed huge - YOU WERE SIX!) and "There was this sort of low hum, nothing motor like, but a faint and very deep rumbling." (Again, how familiar are you with the different types of engine sounds when you are six? Not only that, but "a faint and very deep rumbling" is exactly how I'd describe the sound of a plane in the distance). Despite how ridiculous he sounds, I'm glad it happened to him, becuase it's clear that he places a lot of importance on the event and that it has helped shaped the sound of his music, so I'm all for him continuing to believe in aliens.

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145. Kalis_wrath writes:

My ex-husband claims he saw a UFO early into dateing me while he was in his car talking to his ex. When it comes to UFO's I believe they have been here, but only as a last pit stop before going to another universe. I highly doubt that they would want to stick around here.

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146. Fuck A Name writes:

^This is where the aliens drop off their garbage and crap on their family roadtrips.

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# May 10, 2008 @ 7:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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147. LiquidMetal writes:

maybe we are their guinea pigs and they observe us like how we study animals.

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