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Killswitch Engage Singer Thinks Metalcore Is Dead

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Killswitch Engage frontman Howard Jones believes that metalcore is a genre on it's way out.

He told idahostatesman.com: "The dream's over dude! .... It'll still be around, because kids love heavy music; they love to be aggressive. But it won't get as much mainstream attention as it's been getting. So mark my words there. It's already happening."

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1. RememberMetal? writes:

Not that there aren't some decent metalcore bands out there, but the trend is at a watershed moment.

It's good to see one of the standard bearers being honest with himself and the press.....Unlike say Matt (we're not metalcore) Heafy....
As much of a talent as Trivium are, they need to be come out of the metalcore closet....They need to own up to their roots at the very least....even if the nu...er..new sound on the Crusade is more pop-post-thrashy.

There has yet to be that band that pushes the genre into the public spotlight the way Korn or Nirvana did for nu-metal and grunge respectively....

If it's going to happen it will be soon, otherwise metalcore is going to be a mini-trend like industrial was in the 90's and the garage(garbage) rock thing was more recently.

# Nov 27, 2006 @ 11:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. d.moog writes:

i never understood the whole "metalcore" thing anyways. i mean what doeas it mean? i know that alot of the bands associated with the scene i didnt care for, but what was the big deal? the vocalists tended to be the reason why i couldnt get into theses bands. but yeah i mean , what was it all about? its soon to be dead i guess,and i never really knew it was that big.

# Nov 27, 2006 @ 11:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. RememberMetal? writes:

Metalcore hasn't gotten that big yet.....

As a scene it's a bloated, vulture circled, corpse but it has yet to bring home the kind of money Motley Crue, Metallica, GNR, Nirvana and Korn did when they reinventing the wheel.

Modern metalcore bands: Posion the Well, early Trivium, early Avenged Sevenfold, Bleeding Through, As I Lay Dying, Unearth and as stated above Killswitch.....Shadows Fall mix old school thrash and hardcore with modern American metal so they get the tag to a lesser extent as well.

# Nov 27, 2006 @ 11:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. deathbringer writes:

Yeah, I think the vocals are why metalcore won't get into the mainstream. Using clean vocals tends to come across to emo(core). Hardcore is simply not a palatable form of music for most people and I can't think of a single hardcore/metalcore song that would make a good radio song. Even these songs that are singles for radio generally have clean vocals for the chorus and the typical screaming for the other verses, which doesn't help your average radio listener. I think the modest success the genre has had in bringing together a segment of hardcore/punk fans and metal fans is decent but about all that will come out of it.

Judging the short time that metalcore smothered the release lists, I'd say it has been a shortlived trend. There will still be lots of these bands, but the days of metalcore bands getting deals because it is the new trend is over. Still, the style has a valid niche of existing music fans (hardcore+metal) and will probably linger around for a long time and outlive nu-metal by a long shot.

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 12:06 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. zMETALlica writes:

I got nothing against the genre other than most bands tend to be bands to be part of the scene and just copy what other bands do. None try to invent their own sound. And yeah the vocalist usually doesn't have much talent.

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 12:10 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Nomy writes:

True say....

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 1:42 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. xprincesspeachx writes:

yeah, zMETALlica, the vocalists for metal bands usually lack talent, but that's what the instruments are for.

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 6:24 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Ostracised writes:

It's funny, out of the bands Remember listed, the ones I actually like is Killswitch, Trivium, and Shadows Fall. I find most of the bands in this subgenre pretty much like zMet says, but I'd add that most don't actually HAVE any talent themselves, so that's why they copy others. Besides the fact MTV is still pushing these bands, and we all know that when people think music, they think MTV(sarcasm).
Insert personal attacks here (because I know there will be someone that reads this that will wage an assault, not discuss like adults):

Now Playing: "In and Above Men"-Moonspell

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 8:12 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. BodomBastard writes:

big talk coming from a sellout...

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 8:31 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. BodomBastard writes:

howard jones you have no say in this, look at the your beloved Killswitch Engage's new album... i think i see one band who is contributing to bringing metalcore down but its not going to die, other bands will simply ignore your bad example and keep the scene alive. only your band is dying in the metalcore scene!

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 8:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Stephen writes:

"Killswitch Engage Singer Calls Metalcore Dead."

Pot. Kettle. Black.

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 11:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. dmasa writes:

all i can say is....... its about time....damn

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 3:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. crazedmind writes:

true the genre will never make mainstream but i doubt that it will ever really die. its just an underground music for those into it, and thats enough to keep it alive. death metal isnt a mainstream music at all either, yet bands like cannibal corpse have been around since the 80's and early 90's.

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 4:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. ViciousBetrayal writes:

Its all this melodic crap that is bringing down Metalcore. I have to agree with bodombastard, KSE are really bringing it down and there new album is a good example of it!! On the other hand I think Unearth has to be the best metalcore band right now, the new album has no melodic singing.
these guys can keep the scene alive

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 5:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. ViciousBetrayal writes:

P.S. I don't put Shadows Fall in this catagory.

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 5:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. BrianSD writes:

so what if the genre fades. the good bands will endure. it happens with every "sound of right now" if a band has any talent, they will continue, if not they'll disappear or change. there are still nu-metal bands doing their thing: Sevendust, Slipknot, SOAD. same with rap-metal: Hed Pe,
KsE is one band that could continue, probably Trivium too and even though they getting redundent...Shadows Fall, but i consder them to more of a thrash sound.

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 6:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. 101Proof writes:

i dont think Howard Jones said the genre is dead, that was deathbringer. He's just saying as mentioned before bands arent going to get signed like they have in the last three or four years. because ya they all are starting to sound very similar and have for a while now. Agree with cat above me as well, good point BrianSD

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 6:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. blakscorpion21 writes:

how can you say that melodic stuff is bringing it down vicious betrayal. judging by your name you are a fellow atr fan and they are very melodic, instrumentally more so than vocally. instrumental melody kicks ass. its this boring redundant repetive "thrashing of the guitar" thats bringing music down. just chugging the same dull notes over and over again is what makes the bad metalcore bands bad.

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 7:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. Azazel_Begotten writes:

Hey, I still like Bury Your Dead...

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 9:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. slayerdisciple writes:

i like KSE, Between the Buried and Me, God Forbid, and Trivium, a majority of the rest of the metalcore bands need to go

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 10:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. BLACKDOG writes:

It doesn't matter they'll alway's be among my favorite band's.I'm just glad KSE did not pull a METTALICA after being nominated for a Grammy and totally change their sound.You gotta give up big point's for that.

# Nov 28, 2006 @ 11:11 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. Chued writes:

I don't exactly want metalcore to go. I want metalcore fans to go. How can you do/like/listen to metal music and look like a sad version of backstreet boys fan? There are some metalcore bands that are good like all that remains, KsE (I don't thinke the new one is too bad, end of heartache was worse) and unearth. I think they shoudln't die. But those guys punching the air on as i lay dying shows should really start thinking about how stupid it looks/is.

# Nov 29, 2006 @ 6:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. d.moog writes:

is god forbid considerd metalcore?? i like the music and sometimes the vocals are pretty good. but i cant for the life of me get into kse or shadows fall. shadows fall has a song on guitar hero 2 and its ok, the intro to it is pretty rad but they lose me when the vocals kick in.i dont know if its so much the clean vocals because alot of bands utilize clean vocals wervy well and dont lose any of their attack i.e. - nevermore, dimmu borgir and iron maiden. i thinks its more of the lyrical content.i dont want to listen to a "metal" band thats sings about love and heartbreak. thats what other genres of music are for. and there are exceptions like dracula from iced earth, but its a very creative lyrical output that doesnt let you fell like your listening to some super sensitive waa waa's trying to shred. and im not trying to attack anyone when i say that.

# Nov 29, 2006 @ 7:10 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. StabbingTheDrama writes:

When people are saying that the clean vocals are bringing down metalcore I think it's the exact opposite. If someone, that doesn't listen to metal and more of rock or anygenre, hears something that's like half screaming and half singing they might open up to it. That's a big reason why KsE got so big because they utilized this factor. If it's anything that's bringing down metalcore it's the bands that sound exactly the same and don't stick out. I hear people saying all the time that certain bands sound the same and I agree. Some bands also just plain suck. Metalcore was very unlikely to actually break out into mainstream but I think that KsE actually pushed the envelope a little bit in getting nominated for a grammy and getting at least a gold album. It's all because they appealed to more than one audience.

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25. slayerdisciple writes:

bands like as i lay dying piss me off cause there clean vocals kinda sound emo and they sound like everyother metalcore band

# Nov 29, 2006 @ 9:53 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. KSE writes:

Killswitch Engage is a good band, but ditch the god damned screaming sh**. Hell, if your own singer is calling his own band's genre dead, then something is wrong. Drop the screaming, get a new singer, or call it quits guys.

# Nov 29, 2006 @ 10:04 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. metalmayhem writes:

Killswitch is a good band, and if anyone has the right to comment on this it is howard w/ his backround in hardcore off time geniuses blood has been shed. when done right as killswitch has done it forever, metalcore is listenable and can be very good. it is the redundancy of bands like atreyu, fata, and all the swedish wanna be's of the music world that have killed this genre. coming from a death/grind backround i cant say im sad to see it go, but i can be you anything that KSE will still be around laughing at these other posers all the way to the bank. however, no one can deny that metalcore in a big way helped revive true metal. i see many younger fans finding a metalcore band that they like and then backtracking to the roots of those bands and finding out that carcass rules, along w/ napalm, and morbid, and at the gates of course. i think even though it made for some aweful music sometimes metal fans owe this sub-genre a big thank you. (or f*** you depending on your position).

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28. RememberMetal? writes:

KSE are the rare decent band in a sh**ty, wayside genre....I think some of the lyrics are overwrought and melodramatic, which ofcourse is the nature of the beast in my opinion but theres real songwritting chops in that outfit....

On a personal note I like their first singer better, more veratile and angry....Jones is a better fit though.

Havent checked out the new one yet. The single sucks imho....Anyone else heard it yet.

# Nov 29, 2006 @ 3:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. BLACKDOG writes:

No not yet.

# Nov 29, 2006 @ 4:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. rising end writes:

well as i said before and im sure some have said too, and some will agree as well... metalcore might have gotten a temporary spotlight but it is a subgenre that was always around without the public's help. most of the great bands that surfaced from it and continue to play today were there from the beginning. those bands will continue to play on and new ones will come.

just as someone previously compared the subgenre to death metal. death metal has been around and it will continur to be around regardless of public opinion or attention.

if you're truly into your sound and you're not worrying about what the guys next door are doing you're sure as hell not gonna give a f*** what anyone thinks, unless its a positive statement.

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31. ZeroTolerance writes:

I've seen killswitch 3 times. They're not my favorite band, but they put on a good show to say the least.

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32. metalmayhem writes:

Remembermetal, their first singer was awesome. he is also kind of egotisical, and fairly unapproachable. he is showing off his amazing voice in seemless now which is really just an Only Living Witness cover band in my opinion, but i give him his respect. he is a great vocalist. i also think that howard is better in blood has been shed where he absolutely shreds his f***ing larynx.....(and im pretty sure that he'd agree w/ me).

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33. zyklon writes:

I wish metalcore was dead so we wouldnt have to hear about this f***er all the time.
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34. Azazel_Begotten writes:

I'm still loving BYD man...And Darkest Hour (but also because they share the same hometown as I do in DC)

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35. slayerdisciple writes:

Darkest Hour arnt metalcore (Undoing Ruin isnt anyway)

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36. !!Nailgun!! writes:

He's saying that metalcore is over and "on its way out" but yet they keep spewing out metalcore. Whatever.

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37. happysatan13 writes:

I don't think that it's really that true that metal vocalists lack talent. Yes, the vocals are secondary to any other instrument, which is why the lack of intelligibility is no problem in extreme metal. But I wouldn't say that the vocals of european, and to an only mild lesser extent, american power metal were talentless at all.
As for BM and DM, it is difficult to say anything of their talent because the purpose of its aesthetic doesn't parallel any such of another genre. I will say that the vocals can try the lungs and throat. So very active extreme vocals, diversity within, and the ability to switch to that epic clean vocal some black metal bands love are all marks of talent.

# Nov 30, 2006 @ 12:56 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. Hello writes:

Why do i get the feeling Howard Jones is saying this simply because sooner or later KSE is going to sign with a major label and quit screaming and the metalcore aspect altogether...

# Nov 30, 2006 @ 12:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. StabbingTheDrama writes:

They're on Roadrunner dude. Technically they're not on a major label but a lot of people consider it to be major, especially for metal bands. There are A LOT of big bands on Roadrunner. Even f***ing Nickelback is on that label and look how f***ing big they are, Roadrunner is not a small label at all. And if they're staying on Roadrunner then they'll stay how they are. And your comment was really f***ing stupid because Shadows Fall is on a major label now and that's like saying that they are going to quit screaming. Not going to happen.

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40. Cynic writes:

Heafy was out of his mind when he said Trivium weren't metalcore. As a musician I know you don't have to listen to bands like Refused etc to be influenced by Hardcore or write Metalcore music. You can hear it in the drums (incessant cymbal use/breakdown sections, simplistic rythyms), vocals (monotonous shouts, borderline emo lyrics) and mostly guitar parts (watered down At The Gates riffs, simplistic rythyms played in drop D style, obvious songwriting).

Now I'm not saying these guys aren't talented, they most definately are, but they can't write music for sh**. It's just so... OBVIOUS! They'll never reach the heights of song writing bands like Metallica did because they just don't have the songwriting originality.

Roadrunner is a sellout piece of sh**, soon they'll dump the majority of Metalcore bands in place of the next big thing. Which will probably be some watered down Black Metal craze...

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41. rulin kmadd writes:

or art punk like that fag spectacular views likes.

# Nov 30, 2006 @ 8:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. invain writes:

i think that metalcore isnt dead and it wont be dead for a while.Because i think their are still a lot of bada** metalcore bands out their that maybe alot of people havent heard like THE FACELESS,AS BLOOD RUNS BLACK,THE RED DEATH,VEIL OF MAYA,CONDUCTING FROM THE GRAVE,WITH PASSION,WITH BLOOD COMES CLEANSING,WINDS OF PLAGUE,JOB FOR A COWBOY,UNDERNEATH THE GUN,ALL SHALL PERISH JUST TO NAME A FEW.even though these bands are considered deathcore its still a subgenre of metalcore.And true these bands have drawn influences from many other genres like melodic death metal,tech death,brutal death,grind,and of course hardcore but the only thing that is similar is the breakdowns.MELODIC DEATH METAL IS THE SH*T.

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43. slayerdisciple writes:

that is one of my probs. with metalcore is the breakdown i find it annoyin

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44. zyklon writes:

spectacular views is a c** guzzling fa**ot. i dont think metalcore is dying. wich is sad cause i would like to see it go. cause there are so many better bands out there then lamb of god. roadrunner is sh** all over there legacy a long time ago. they had pestilence, king diamond, mercyful fate, sepultura, deicide, fear factory, death, and so many other good bands back in the day and now they have hardly anything. most of the bands on RR are mallcore garbage. i feel ashamed that roadrunner use to be my favorite label.

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45. Cynic writes:

Dude I totally feel the same, they were only ever into death/thrash because it was selling at the time. They also had the mighty Cynic!

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46. Azazel_Begotten writes:

For once I can agree with zyklon about RR, but I do like some Metalcore

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47. slayerdisciple writes:

i dont get why u keep callin lamb of god metalcore? they were never metalcore

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48. Cynic writes:

Modern Metal? They're certainly not Thrash, try as they might they're not Pantera. They have most of the traits of a metalcore band though, some swedish riffing, overuse (subjective but whatever) use of double bass, that rythymic drop d riffing...

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49. slayerdisciple writes:

i call them a thrash band u can call them wat u want

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50. Cynic writes:

What? You couldn't sit down and play Exodus' Bonded By Blood or Megadeth's Rust In Peace and say it was the same as LoG? They keep changing anyway. I had only really listened to their early stuff until I heard Redneck on the radio the other day, massive change.

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51. blakscorpion21 writes:

i would consider lamb of god whatever genre pantera was in. everything but the vocals which are a mix of hardcore and death. the vocals are the only thing resembling metalcore, and theyre still not that close. i guess id call them heavy/modern metal. take your pick.

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52. Anti-Satan writes:

lol just becuase he make a sh!ty core album he has to say the scene is dead.

far from it!!!

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53. Azazel_Begotten writes:

blakscorpion21, You make a good point. But Unless you're talking about earlier sh1t, I don't think you can compare them to Pantera in too many ways...Of course, they could be deathcore...

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54. n1nt3nd0 writes:

I consider Lamb of God to be Groove metal, aka Post-Thrash. [shrugs]

Legit genre or not, makes sense to me.

Most of the 'New Wave of American Heavy Metal' bands I consider Groove. (Lamb, Chimaira, and that's what I considered Pantera as well when they were around) It's a little bit of this, that, etc into one new genre.

And I mean, look at it. Thrash has always seemed to be one of the more popular genres in America. Only makes sense that the genre evolves into something different.

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55. n1nt3nd0 writes:

By the way.

I don't mind metalcore. Bands like Diecast, [old] Trivium, even some older Atreyu are alright. And hell, adding melodic elements into music usually benefits the sound, even though I feel that the best genre to mix melody in like that is Death.

Melodic Death Metal is pretty damn orgasmic.

Just as long as metalcore doesn't get too bland or repetative, I'm up for it's survival. What can I say, I LOVE breakdowns. XD

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56. KORNDOGG writes:

I dont care what is dead and what is alive, good metal is good metal! They keep trying to put bands into different catagories, when in the end its all METAL! And im a fan of metal, not all of it but alot of it. Stop trying to catagorize every band, just shut up and listen to the music. I dont think there is gonna be another band to push the envelope, like KORN did for nu-metal, nirvana for grunge, Rage for the hip-hop metal sound, and black sabbath for heavy metal. Everything has been done, so i dont see any real different rock or metal that is any good coming out ever.

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57. deathmetalrules420 writes:

i think a lot of people got confused with this one...all Howard was sayin is that metal core isn't gonna be gettin any more "popular" than it is...if anything it will get less popular when its not the "trendy" genre it seems to be today (and then there will be a different genre thats the new "trend")...dont get me wrong there are a number of so called "metalcore" bands that I like/love

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58. n1nt3nd0 writes:

Meh, metal will always be metal, but I'm one who likes to catagorize with genres.

Makes things more organized. [Considering how I have OCD with organization, I have every band on my iTunes in a specific genre. x_x]

But I have to disagree. In the future, there will be new types of metal, even though it seems like every possible style has been done already. Give it time, something different will be created.

Speaking of that, am I the only one to have recently listened to this Electronica/Hardcore music? I heard this band called Sky Eats Airplane that uses Synth and hardcore elements. Weird stuff.

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59. Zero Tolerance writes:

Noogieburger??? did you make that up? lol

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60. Cynic writes:

Geez I hate it when people get all angsty about genres, they only get p***ed off cuz the genre they like has negative conotations with it. Category's are neccessary for music fans to describe music. You wouldn't go up to someone saying "This band has growl vocals" and rant "waaahh don't put a label on my favourite band waaaaah". That's all I hear.

And n1nt3nd0, I wouldn't call Pantera post-thrash, that's commonly used to describe bands like early Death, Possessed, Massacre, early Pestilence etc.

I think modern metal is a pretty good description. Elements of thrash, death metal, and metalcore in one.

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61. Cynic writes:

Actually now that I think about it post-thrash isn't bad, it's just annoying they borrow old terms for new things.

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62. slayerdisciple writes:

if u call lamb of god modern metal wat would u call them in about 10 yrs?

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63. deathbringer writes:

Lamb of God are NWOAHM. I hate hearing them called metalcore - they don't have anything in common except maybe a breakdown in the newer stuff and the timing of their rise to recognition. When I picked up their first album, metalcore was hardly a blip on the radar and you'd NEVER have thought LOG were metalcore.

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64. smgrant18 writes:

i say that lamb of god just plain kicks f***ing ass! they have awesome guitar and drum work and they get more musicly talented with each album, they are unique they wanted to play something different from everything else and thats what they do
as far as metalcore goes its not surprising at all that its dying i knew it would and most of the bands either suck or sound the same, dont get me wrong there is a few i like, as i lay dying, trivium but the majority sounds exactly the same. as much as i love breakdowns, the metalcore bands besides the ones i mentioned don't get any respect from me and breakdowns may be really kickass but the overuse of them makes them lose their power, the vocals piss me off too
also, i dont consider shadows fall a metalcore band and they kick ass, i havent listened to killswitch a whole lot but from what ive heard from them i like them
f***IN SLAYER!!!!!

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65. Cynic writes:

I remember listening to the song "Black Label" when they hit the scene too but I sure as hell didn't call it thrash. slayerdisciple, ever heard of modernism? Happened around the 1920s, one of the most influential types of design. I think groove metals not a bad name for their new stuff, pretty similar to Pantera's late albums.

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66. blakscorpion21 writes:

if anything burn the priest was closest to death metal, though not exact. and it might have been accepted as such if the band had not became popular.

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67. smgrant18 writes:

it dosen,t matter if its popular or not
its how it sounds that defines what sub-genre its in

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68. zyklon writes:

And From The Past Comes The a$$ Clowns! I dont even have to mention names. Lamb of God sounds nothing like Dark Angel. Listen, I saw Lamb of God. They played for one hour. None of those songs are thrash. Far from Thrash! and to Cynic, yep. Cynic rules. Focus is a masterpiece and if you don't have that album, you fail. This whole NWOAHM is f***ing bullsh**. nothing original. They all sound the same. Some of these NWOAHM bands are not even metal. If you think Lamb of God is innovative then f*** YOU!!! AND f*** YOUR PRECIOUS HEADGIVER'S BALL!!!

# Dec 4, 2006 @ 7:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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69. Stephen writes:

I don't think ALL North American metal bands sound the same (far from it), but I will say that almost none of them that I've heard can hold a candle to some of the European metal bands out there like In Flames and Children of Bodom. But hey, I don't post on this site looking for fights. If Lamb of God's your thing, it's all good. At least you enjoy metal.

But by the way, Headbanger's Ball has indeed grown boring in the last few years. There is an element of a somewhat sameness in the bands I hear on there.

# Dec 4, 2006 @ 7:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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70. Cynic writes:

Yea man, Cynic is probably my favourite band aye (Well, tied withh Metallica and Death). You should check out the song "Pleading For Preservation" I you haven't cuz it got left off the album from an earlier demo, wicked song. Zyklon rule too, I've got their World ov Worms album. What is their other stuff like?

MTV has just started up in New Zealand but I don't think I'll be tuning in...

# Dec 4, 2006 @ 8:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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71. slayerdisciple writes:

dude all of Zyklon's stuff kicks ass

# Dec 4, 2006 @ 8:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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72. RememberMetal? writes:

Lets settle this once and for all.....

Lamb of God are obviously neither NWOAHM or metalcore....They're obviously part of the barbershop movement, spearheaded by the likes of the Suntones....am I the only one hearing those vocal harmonies or are you people just deaf and stupid?!?

Evanescence is black metal in the purest sense.....That b**** conjurs Satan like no other....

I was driving around listening "My Immortal" (obviously an ode to the fallen one) and the earth opened up and swallowed a church as I was driving past.

Lastly, everything by Zyklon hovers somewhere between polka and ragtime.

# Dec 4, 2006 @ 9:10 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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73. slayerdisciple writes:

lmao nice one RM?

# Dec 4, 2006 @ 9:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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74. maggot_666 writes:

metalcore..........meh (KsE, Atreyu, unearth)
emo..........sh** (aiden, MCR, new A.F.I)
Groove Metal........awesome (LoG, Pantera)
Other metal........ups and down, ups......(metallica, in flames, soilwork, slipknot, meshuggah most of the swedish scene)
but that can all f*** off when hardcore comes into the picture, and i mean true hardcore like sick of it all, madball, throwdown, hatebreed.........

# Dec 9, 2006 @ 8:24 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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75. maggot_666 writes:

oh, and true breakdowns are in real harcore, not metalcore.

# Dec 9, 2006 @ 8:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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76. Death_Maggot writes:

Hey guys Im kinda a newbie when it comes to metal, but I really enjoy KsE and I was looking for some more bands along those lines. Any recommendations?

# Dec 13, 2006 @ 9:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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77. blakscorpion21 writes:

^ all that remains. if you consider them metalcore they are undoubtedly the best band in the genre.

other notable similar bands are
shadows fall
unearth
bleeding through

# Dec 13, 2006 @ 11:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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78. pursuit of vikings writes:

death maggot, i'd reccomend God Forbid, and if you want the real heavy sh**, Cinderella

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79. Death_Maggot writes:

Thanks guys, Ill checkem out.

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80. the antihippy writes:

is it just me here that thinks that there are better genres out there than metalcore.
anyway i like my music with an experimental twist(metallica earlier works, system of a down, mr bungle, in flames, opeth etc)

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