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Godsmack Frontman Interrogated Over Military Involvement

Jay Babcock of Arthur magazine conducted an interview with Godsmack frontman Sully Erna on Monday, May 1, grilling the rocker on the band's decision to have their music used in U.S. military recruitment. You can check out a transcript of the interview, which ended with Sully finally hanging up on Babcock.

As previously reported, Godsmack's latest album "IV" moved 211,000 copies in its first week to debut on The Billboard 200 at Number 1. That's a little more than 50,000 units off the opening week of the quartet's last full-length, "Faceless," which landed at No. 1 in April 2003.

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1. psythe writes:

that was very unfair of the interviewer, and I don't think he had or got across any particularly good points. he made himself out to be more of a bloody dookhead than Sully. I'm actually rather angry about the disrespect towards Sully that that interview was conducted with - very unprofessional. i'm sure that questions such as the ones asked could have been asked and answers received without having to get all agro in it; wouldv made for a better interview, that's for sure.

# May 5, 2006 @ 12:41 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. bradispissed writes:

on the other hand...


i enjoyed the hell watching sully defend himself in very well spoken manner and sticking to his guns about military involvement.


hahahah brilliant interview.

# May 5, 2006 @ 12:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. bradispissed writes:

*enjoyed the hell out of

# May 5, 2006 @ 12:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Mike writes:

Link is broken, but frankly, if the band wants to let their music be used in military recruiting, more power to them. I think it's a pretty cool thing, and I would guess that it's their way of doing their part as citizens.

And if the interviewer doesn't like it, he can take his personal politics and suck it.

# May 5, 2006 @ 9:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. Acidbitch writes:

I agree with Mike

# May 5, 2006 @ 12:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. bradispissed writes:

pretty weak argument mike considering if you flip that coin arthurs purpose can easily be interpreted the same way if you flip the coin...


it's all about awareness

# May 5, 2006 @ 1:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. bradispissed writes:

typo


f*** pot

# May 5, 2006 @ 1:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. Keoni writes:

interogated?

thats kind of a harsh word right? just let them rock and i'm fine with that!!!

# May 5, 2006 @ 1:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. Opeth Suck!!! writes:

That was a pretty unfair interview. I'm actually surprised Sully stayed on the phone that long. I want actually HEAR the interview but the link it broken, damn it! That was just pretty gay and I look down at that magazine now. f*** them

# May 5, 2006 @ 3:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. oxide writes:

sully dosn't know sh**! about the military and what they are doing, he should have some back ground since he wanted to get involved with them, the military is not just "protecting us" like he kept saying, they are doing more than that, like the internewer said about 40,000 iraqis that have not done sh** to us died for false reasons, and don't give me the "we lost 3000 ppl on 9/11" b/c those 40.000 had nothing to do with 9/11, they probly hated bin laden just like us and even more

# May 5, 2006 @ 6:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. lordpaco18 writes:

how the f*** is godsmack music supposed to make people join the army...

honestly...

# May 5, 2006 @ 7:15 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. oxide writes:

regardless! ther are big sellouts, they wanted the cash w/o knowing the facts or having an informed opinion about the army/navy

# May 5, 2006 @ 8:03 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. psythe writes:

let's face it, metal music and extreme things (ie the army) go well together. of course the army is going to use some sort of metal (for the purpose of this arguement, i'm including godsmack in the metal genre) to promote itself; if it wasnt godsmack, it only would'v been another band. thus, it really doesnt matter.

# May 6, 2006 @ 1:00 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. Scorched_Earth writes:

My two cents...

Sully should know that if he's going to let his music be used by the Military or Green Peace then he has created a situation where people interpret that as being in bed with them. I think the interviewer blindsided him, but he certainly could have know his facts better.

# May 6, 2006 @ 5:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Scorched_Earth writes:

Clarification 'going to let his music be used by the Military or Green Peace'-meaning taking up a cause or 'endorsing'-defacto, any organization by giving permission to use their songs for promotion.

# May 6, 2006 @ 5:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. Linkin Park Killa writes:

WHo cares? Godsmack sucks anyways. And by the way, how is their songs being used for recruitment anyways. What young people hear a Godsmack song on a Navy commercial and they immediately want to join the Navy? Don't make no sense! Sounds more like they're advertising their songs on t.v. f***in sellouts!!!

# May 6, 2006 @ 6:23 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. BLACKDOG writes:

Ok maybey I'm a bit biased but who cares.Why is it an issue.Everybody does not have money to go to college.Hell some people have no desire to go to college.In some cases the millitary is a viable option.Just because you don't support the war does not mean you can't support the troop's.They did'nt start this sh**.

# May 6, 2006 @ 6:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. Rulin Kmadd writes:

exactly blackdog although i really don't agree with
our policies sometimes the miltitary is a good way
to get away from a lacksadasical existence for a
while. BTW how many of those iraqis were killed
by either their own people(the insurgency) or other fellow Arabs
and unfortunatley their will always be civilian casualties it's an ugly part of war. And lets not
forget the 2,500 of our own folks that had died
in the past 3 years as well.

# May 6, 2006 @ 8:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. DDAMM writes:

Real metal bands like Slayer have been singing about our war involvement and supporting our troops for years, lets see that c***sucker Babcock interview Tom Araya or Hannemen about getting "innocents" killed. Anyone that joins the military because of the music in their commercials deserves to be shot anyhow, while anyone that joins the military at all should be expecting to get shot at. Makes sense when you are getting trained to kill people.

# May 6, 2006 @ 9:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. BLACKDOG writes:

TOO TRUE ! Besides the Navy is only doing what anyone else would do to get more recruits.HELL If I owned Hasbro toy's & I thought a cool sound track might get more kid's to buy a couple billion more G.I.JOE'S & accessories.HELL YEAH I'D GET GOD SMACK AND OR SLAYER TUNES FOR MY COMMERCIALS !!!! I'm surprised matel has not gotten BRITNEY to endorse BARBBI.Let's face it Barbbi's a slut.You know it I know it.Let's just admit it.Picture this RAINING BLOOD in a G.I.JOE comercial.

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21. rulin kmadd writes:

i can see it man. Cobra commander singing venom's" Buried Alive"! Brilliant blackdog!

# May 7, 2006 @ 5:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. heavy d writes:

the heavy metal music i listen to doesn't go well with the military. the lyrics are in direct contrast with the ideas of those in power. i don't think the video for One and the song Master of Puppets by Metallica are pro-war, nor do I think Angel of Death by Slayer is pro-war. the list of anti-war/anti-authority metal songs is endless. what is sad for us fans, though, is the fact that we eventually find out that many of these bands care far less about the songs than we do. all they want is the fame and money, which came through clearly in the godsmack interview. the guy from godsmack was illiterate during the interview and didn't seem capable of having any type of deep conversation even though many may interrupt the their albums to be high art. i don't know what godsmack's music is about, though. if it advocates invading powerless countries for their oil then i'd say that lyrically it's in the country music category.

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23. KF writes:

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT I HEARD GODSMACK WAS GOING TO BE THE SECRET SLOT ON OZZFEST.

# May 8, 2006 @ 12:50 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. thereaper writes:

O NO! don't ruin OZZFEST! I don't like this band at all. My baby brother and his buddies can put on a better show then Godsmack can. I give them a -8 on a scale of 1-10

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25. DDAMM writes:

Angel Of Death is definitely for war because it is talking about the dirty motherf***er that performed experiments on people in concentration camps. I, being a Pollock, understand that the U.S. needed to get involved in the war or twisted bastards like Mendel would still be doing stuff like that in Europe.

# May 8, 2006 @ 6:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. jnsguts writes:

ok, my turn, i'm ex military, didnt join because of the music on the recruitment comms, joined for my own twisted reasons which i'll not get into, black dog may remember me talkin about a few, though, lol....... but anyway, godsmacks music on the comms is a catch, something to draw attention for a few seconds. i mean, think about it, your jammin to godsmack whil watchin these extreme f***ers hangin from helicopters or comin up out of the water, painted black, holding pieces of mini-artillery, it's the same reason they use killer soundtracks in movies, it intensifies the effects. let me put it this way, how many of you had something happen while a certain song was playing, and every time you hear that song now, you remember that event instantly??? music is a catch on a subconciuos level as well, and i gaurantee, that godsmack song was playing in the mind of a lot of kids as they walked into the recruiters office. HIMMM!!!!

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27. BLACKDOG writes:

I believe I do remember.lol...

On another note.I have an idea let's just ignore the retatd's on MU and maybey they will just go away.WHO'S WITH ME !

# May 8, 2006 @ 8:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. BLACKDOG writes:

WHOOPSIE !!!! I meant RETARD'S.3 guesses who I mean.

# May 8, 2006 @ 8:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. jnsguts writes:

i tried to, black dog , i really did, but kinda lost my temper on the metallica conflict thread. he deserved it though. HIMMM!!!!

# May 8, 2006 @ 8:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. in F U C K I N G flames writes:

I don't like Godsmack the least bit, but since when do they need to justify their music being in a f***ing commercial? And where is the connection between Godsmack taking the Navy's money and Godsmack not giving a sh** about poor people who enlist, innocent Iraqi civilians, etc. (which the interviewer implied)? Sully is a musician (perhaps a bad one, but nonetheless), not a political scientist. If you're going to ask him questions about his new album, ask him questions about his new album. Don't spit statistics at him about sexual harassment in the Army. f***ing idiot.

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31. hhhh writes:

f*** that band and all of you

# May 9, 2006 @ 4:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. hhhh writes:

ONLY DOUCHEBAGS LIKE THAT CRAP

# May 9, 2006 @ 4:29 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. BLACKDOG writes:

BITE ME !

# May 9, 2006 @ 4:59 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. Offender writes:

This guy is another pro-war chickenhawk who would never be caught dead in the military. Wanker.

# May 9, 2006 @ 5:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. hhhh writes:

they might as well change their name to haliburton, cuz once you benefit off of the war, you are the war

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36. hhhh writes:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

# May 9, 2006 @ 6:17 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. jnsguts writes:

c'mon, thats like saying the doors were part of the viet nam war because most of the soldiers over there listened to them. post 30 had a good point, why should sully have to justify himself to babcock, who clearly has his own head up his ass. HIMMM!!!!

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38. BLACKDOG writes:

the most BIGER of ALL ........ OK 2 more guesses left.

# May 10, 2006 @ 12:05 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. hhhh writes:

during Vietnam soldiers listened to the doors and a lot of other bands, but the doors didn't sell their songs to the U.S. military to trick innocent kids into joining a bullsh** war...how can you possibly compare that?

# May 10, 2006 @ 11:37 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. jnsguts writes:

didn't have to trick anybody in that war, the draft was in effect. you went to the military, or you went to canada. my point wasin regard to your post # 35, and the ridiculous notion that godsmack is benefitting from kids dying in a desert. and i'm pretty sure that sulley didn't go to the pentagon, gather the joint chiefs and say" i'll sell you my song so that we can trick americas youth into joining the military and fighting in a war" you are no better than babcock, because you are attempting to make sully justify himself for a commercial, and thats all it is, a COMMERCIAL. HIMMM!!!!

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41. hhhh writes:

so what you are saying is, it doesn't matter who you sell your song to. As long as you make some money, more power to you. Noone has implied that Godsmack went to the Pentagon and offered their song, but there is a thing called saying "no". Or, if you truly support this war, then say that, don 't get all offended when someone brings it up. I believe people have the right to their opinions, but to make money off of something as f***ed up as this war and then not own up to it..that is bullsh**.

# May 10, 2006 @ 12:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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42. hhhh writes:

seriously, my first 2 posts were stupid, i was just mad after reading that article, but defending the actions of this band makes no sense to me

# May 10, 2006 @ 12:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. getbushoutofoffice writes:

I posted earlier but it didn't go through, so here's the basic point I was making:
The Navy believes that using the song will get kids to sign up, otherwise they wouldn't use it. They're very smart people, and they think that hearing the song will make young people want to blow sh** up and fly planes. Godsmack took money from them so that they could use that song to get more soldiers.
I've seen some posts say that the interviewer was turning on the troops, and I think nothing could be further from the truth. He's actually supporting the troops who may have signed up and recieved more than they bargained for. If I signed up after 911 out of a patriotic duty to serve my country, only to be sent to an unnecessary war of aggression like Iraq, believe me I would be p***ed and I would want journalists like this guy standing up for me.
Recruiters can be sleazy. I remember getting a phone call from one before, and he asked if my parents were paying for college. I told him they were, and he said I should be my own man and join the reserves so I could put myself through. Slimy bastard.

# May 13, 2006 @ 3:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. jnsguts writes:

getbush out, i think you have a valid point in there somewhere, but there is few things your off on. 1.. navy does'nt think godsmacks song is gonna get kids to sign up, the song is merely used to get the attention of those in the right age group for enlistment. 2... as for the interviewer, he is the worst form of liberal trash, and i'll leave it at that so that others can draw thier on conclusions of him. 3.... and this is where you come real, real, close. recruiters are sh**. they work on a system of mass quota, which means they will tell anyone anything, promise anything, and use as much dimestore psychology as they can to meet the quota, and thats f***ed up. i went in the navy in (i'll give away my age here, but f*** it) 1984, i went in promised one type of job, and ended up with another. one was just as, how can i put this, covert as the other, but i did my duty, caused some unpleasant things to happen to some people, and i can still sleep very well at night. but i am ranting now, and no one really cares, least of all me, so back to the point......... if you think that the war against iraq and al queida in afghanistan are unnecessary, you are well misinformed. look at it like this....if someone walked up to you and punched you right in the grill, with no provacation from you, would you pick up your teeth and walk away crying, or would you kick his a$$ if at all possible???? HIMMM!!!!

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45. jnsguts writes:

and before all of you hack on me for being an old f***er, i can still hang in the p[it with the best of them LOL HIMMM!!!!

# May 13, 2006 @ 5:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. oxide writes:

"BTW how many of those iraqis were killed by either their own people(the insurgency) or other fellow Arabs"

quite a bit, but it all started when the US started the war in 2003

"and unfortunatley their will always be civilian casualties it's an ugly part of war. "
that's more reasons not wage a war unless you have to

"And lets not forget the 2,500 of our own folks that had died
in the past 3 years as well."
yeah, what's that have to do with iraq?NOTHING!

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47. Real writes:

f*** the Middle East. They all suck. Backwards sun chasers!

# May 13, 2006 @ 8:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. das writes:

I know Sully personally. I just worked for him. A good guy. Too bad he had to sit and listen to that liberal crap from Bobcock or whoever. Bobcock even thinks we all should get USED to terrorist attacks and hinted we kind of deserve them because the rest of the worl has to deal with it. THAT is liberalism.

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49. jnsguts writes:

f***in a right, das, i applaud your intelligence. f*** babcock, that liberal bastard is the prime example of whats wrong with half of this country
. HIMMM!!!!

# May 13, 2006 @ 9:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. jnsguts writes:

and oxide, there is a lot of issues that have to do with iraq and afghanistan. open your eyes, brother, don't let the media blind you from seeing the truth HIMMM!!!!

# May 13, 2006 @ 9:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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51. bradispissed writes:

"that is liberalism"...am i actually reading this fag babble

you want to know liberalism motherf***er...maybe it's passing social security bills that actually benefit people, or striving to provide health care of every working citizen in this nation regardless of economic status, trying to provide the middle class with a more balanced income, lowering the outrageous tuition levels i currently am being f***ed by, and most of all focusing on the country that needs our attention most...f***ING AMERICA.


conservatives have through some kind of mindf*** brain power i wasn't struck by, were able to turn liberals into the bad guys. the evil empire. while they send your family to die for secrets? we've killed and have been killed and nobody outside of the cabinet knows exactly why yet.


AND THAT IS LIBERALISM? you're going to sit there and support a government that could give a sh** about anything other than finacial gain? what in the hell has happened to rational f***ing INDIVIDUALS.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

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52. jnsguts writes:

yeah, but nobody had to tell me the world trade towers were destroyed and we were under attack, i saw that sh** for myself. HIMMM!!!!

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53. jnsguts writes:

in all honesty, in reference to this thread, and only the subject of this thread, do you agree with babcock, brad? HIMMM!!!!

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54. das writes:

Also, the black pop culture is destroying the youth of the world.

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55. jnsguts writes:

how the f*** would you know, anyway, coco.? by my calculations, you were about one year old when desert storm happened.... HIMMM!!!!

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56. bradispissed writes:

yeah sorry dude


you were about 3 or 4

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57. BLACKDOG writes:

Also, the black pop culture is destroying the youth of the world.

That is bull sh**.If the youth of the world is being destroyed it's because they were raised by a bunch of absentee parent's & oh yeah MTV.People need to stop trying to place blame on everything else.If a kid's a f*** up then chances are the parent's are not or did not do the job that was designated to them as PARENT'S !!!!!! That's one of the reason's this country's going to sh** fast.

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58. jnsguts writes:

you hit the nail on the motherf***in head that time blackdog, 100%, and if any of you don,t think that he is right, look at some of the idiot youths on this site. i am sure they inherited a sh**load of stupidity from thier parents, but i think they pisked a lot of it up from other sources too...... HIMMM!!!!

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59. jnsguts writes:

i keep posting cause this issue needs to stay in forum. HIMMM!!!!

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60. BLACKDOG writes:

Yep.If you see a stupid kid follow him home & see if someone stupid does not answer the door.It's got nothing to do with culture.

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61. p-ville metalhead writes:

jnsguts, you do have a few points, BUT... 1.)how does a terrorist attack from a few loonies give us a right to invade the country they're from. 2.) saddam was an evil bastard, but why havent we got the hell out now that hes gone?

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62. p-ville metalhead writes:

in my opinion, cheney is the real president, and bush is just his b****

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63. jnsguts writes:

greed, brother, although i support in principle, i don't necessarily support in application. now it's turned into a gain for profit thing. in my opinion, kill the terrorists, lower the price of gas. unfortunatly, fewq see this point of view. as for invasion, get there before someone else does, because right now it's more or less up for grabs.......... HIMMM!!!!

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64. p-ville metalhead writes:

cuz honestly, i think most of us can see that bush isnt the brightest crayon in the box, and wouldnt be able to come up w/ a plan to fool the country into being afraid and thinking we had to go into war. but then again, it sadly wouldnt take much too fool the dumb rednecks in areas like mine

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65. oxide writes:

"and oxide, there is a lot of issues that have to do with iraq and afghanistan. open your eyes, brother, don't let the media blind you from seeing the truth HIMMM!!!!"

what is the truth?what the hell are you talking about?

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66. BLACKDOG writes:

jnsguts you seem to know a thing or two about this stuff so let me ask.They whent to Iraq looking for WMD's but found nothing.However now Iran is carrying on Nuclear test's and are not far from weapon's capability.I don't see how they could not have known this & the fact that Iraq did not have what they were looking for.Keeping this in mind.My question is this.Is it possible that the war in Iraq was more of a strategic ploy to gaine a good foot hold in the area and therebye gaine a good stageing ground to operate from if in the event that Iran does not back down and the Bush admin decides to invade ? What do you think?

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67. rulin kmadd writes:

i might have to cancel my florida vacation next yea

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68. rulin kmadd writes:

next year.

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69. jnsguts writes:

oxide, i'll answer you first. i refer back to my post # 63, greed on a global level and a country with no real active government. you can look at this two ways. through the medias eyes, you see nothing but reports of u.s. soldiers dying, car bombs exploding, and sh** like that. another view is probably just as disturbing, but with a little more logic, a method to the madness..... iraqi warlords who would love to become the next saddam, and through support from governments like iran, pakistahn, afghanistan, syria, and independant factions, would ally themselves with the nations i mentioned and all of these countries would have unlimited funds to manufacture whatever weapons they choose, including nuclear. and with all those places to hide, it would only be a matter of time until allahs holy fire would land in somebodys backyard. so my question is this, do you really want to let them go unwatched and unchecked?? the middle east is unfortunately where most of our oil comes from, and if an alliance forms between these factions they will win world domination in another way, a more sneaky way, if oil becomes too expensive to purchase, or if these nations get enough power where they don't need to sell oil, all other countries who don,t kiss thier ass, don't get fuel, armies don't mobilze, trucks that carry food from one side of the country to the other can't afford to, farm equipment necessary to raise crops dont have fuel to operate, more or less we go from the top of the food chain to something worse than ethiopia. and thats what i mean by seeing the truth. BLACKDOG..whats up, dude.... here's how i see it.... your right to an extent. a presence in the middle east is a must have, for reasons i stated above. i think the main motivation for invading iraq at first was fear, brought about by some false info. but once we was there and comitted, it became greed, well, greed and paranoia. the rest of the world pretty much left us on our own with the war, because not much that happened there would hurt them. but as for iran i can safely say no one wants to leave this one alone, so in effect, it would never come down to the u.s invading on it's own. just about everywhere in europe and asia, including russia, can be reached with a short to medium range nuclear missle fired from the middle east, and all of them know this. so now iraq evolves from a military action, to an attempted takeover, to probably, for the next few years, the most strategic place on the planet. so to answer your question "was it a strategic ploy?", it didnt start out that way, but it will damn sure end up that way, and sadly, it will cost a lot more lives to get there. HIMMM!!!!

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damn, MY FINGERS HURT!!!!!! HIMMM!!!!

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71. bradispissed writes:

most of our oil is imported through canada


that ranting had absolutely no foundation...it would put the word naive to shame to actually believe that the middle east would attain any kind of world domination through nuclear weaponry. think about every republican that has held office in the last 25-30 years and actually analyze the budget they set for military spending. bet your a$$ we have nukes ready and willing to be let loose. it would be completely ignorant to invade countries, illegally wire tap, and use fear on the u.s. population by saying we should be expecting more terrorist activity without having the right equipment to combat nuclear warfare. and where is this assumption that they would go unchecked or unwatched (considering that's part of the responsibility of the u.n). no dictator goes unnoticed believe me but we definitely have to pick our battles. basing wars off of lies and invading countries to sacrafice the human meatshields we call soldiers has to be most annoying to the occupants that now reside in the afore mentioned countries. if any kind of alliance were to form at this point it would be god damn provoked action.


there is no right in this war...none. the only reason we even bombed afghanistan was to keep up the f***ing act. this will contend with the biggest military blunders in history in due time.

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72. A Nightmare on Elm Street writes:

PWN3D!

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Babcock, HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

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Blunders? Naa, I don't think so.

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i didnt say they would achieve world domination through nuclear weapons, i said they would achieve world domination if they formed an alliance with most or all of the oil producing nations around the middle eastern area, and cut off the life blood that makes this world, the entire world, turn...OIL!!!! and the nuke part i referred to is if left alone to thier own means, they WILL use a nuclear weapon as an act of terrorism just to show that they have grown strong enough and have the balls to do it. and if they fire at a country that is also nuke capable, that country fires back, then other countries get involved, then we end up with 2 thirds of the globe covered in fallout. and the f***ed up thing is that the only way this will happen is if you and others like you, brad, actually get your way. when the cats away, the mice will play. know what i mean?? HIMMM!!!!

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in case you don't, the cat is u.s military, the mice scream " JIHAD" HIMMM!!!!

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I'm not takeing sides....But realizing that the U.S. foriegn policy has caused alot of the problem's we face today as far as Terrorism is concerned.That's why I personally am worried about it.Let's face it we could be killed simply because we live here.Seriously I could care less about the Gaza strip & all the other middle eastern issues.What's more I did not cause them.However these poor misguided bastard's could and potentialy would set off a dirty bomb in my town simply because they are mad as Hell & AINT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE !!!! So I could wind up dead over something that normally I'd only be just vaguely aware of at best.Not to mention had less than nothing to do with it.

That's why I think it's important to keep up with this issue.Yeah sure it's not our fault.But when some f***head decides we all gotta die because of something our government may or may not have done.I gotta a problem with that.They found a Terrorist cell in a suburb of my town less that 20min away from my house.Why would buffalo be conciderd a target let's see.Power City run's electrical grid's for most of the north east coast and could potentially effect Canada.I don't know if any of you remember the black out a few years ago that cut off power in N.Y. PA. part's of NE. & Canada.

Another thing is this .The sad part is those people are just like us.They want all the same stuff we want & need.They do all the same stuff we do.But when you are the poorest of the poor liveing in a poor country.Some a$$hole say's here's some food.Then eventually they say believe what we say believe & Ahlah will bless you with a spot in heaven and 72 virgin's.Next thing you know this jackass is trying to blow up my town or your town just because we eat drink and be merry.Not to mention our women walk around showing off there faces.C'mon you gotta admit this is all of our problem like it or not.

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78. jnsguts writes:

true and to the point, this you may or may not agree with, but this is our problem, and no other f***ing piece of sh** countries are helping us solve this problem. like i said, you may agree or disagree, but thats the way i'm seeing it.....HIMMM!!!!

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are you still here, get a clue red devilled spam, all you are good for is wasting space. why do you even still post??? i'd be too f***in embarrased if i were you. oh, wait, that would actually require some sort of intelligence. HIMMM!!!!

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80. oxide writes:

"iraqi warlords who would love to become the next saddam, and through support from governments like iran, pakistahn, afghanistan, syria"

afghan's war lords are busy with theri own turf they have no influence on iraq like iraq and iran, but not so much paki, they are busy competing with india, plus those same iraqi "world lords" get he same support from the USA and the UK

"and if an alliance forms between these factions they will win world domination in another way"
you are over estimating those countries powers, there leaders are trying so hard to get a grib on their soil, they have no chance of dominating the world!!!

"would ally themselves with the nations i mentioned and all of these countries would have unlimited funds to manufacture whatever weapons they choose"

you are wrong, they have no unlimited funds, it's the USA who has the unlimited funds for it's military

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81. oxide writes:

"but this is our problem, and no other f***ing piece of sh** countries are helping us solve this problem."
b/c bush&Co. don't want anybodys help, they don't even know how to ask

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82. oxide writes:

"However now Iran is carrying on Nuclear test's and are not far from weapon's capability"

experts say they are years a way(at least 10)

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83. psythe writes:

oxide - the USA "has unlimited funds"?? firstly, the military is stretched thin as it is, secondly, the USA has one of the highest amounts of foriegn debt of any country ever. and shlt all to pay it back with. Not to mention the fact that the economy isnt quite so strong as it was pre 9/11. analysts say it could well go from boom to bust rather soon.

Am i right? If not, i'd love to know why.

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84. jnsguts writes:

good point, psythe, and as for you, oxide, i'll say this, you can at least argue a point intelligently, but as for your views, you are SO wrong on SO many points it would take to much time to explain why, but i'll hit one or two real quick....these guys are not just trying to get a grip on thier own soil, they are attempting to strengthen an already established network....... ten years away from nuclear tests? they've already produced enriched product, and it's a very, very, small step from there. we did it in under 8 months during ww2, and with far less technical equipment than what is available now, and they don't have to make a big one, a one megaton payload would pretty much take out at least a hundred square miles, not in damage per-say, but in effectual radiation coverage. HIMMM!!!!

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oh, and one more thing, the u.s and the u.k. did ask, but was refused. HIMMM!!!!

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you're passion for ingnoring the more important domestic issues is troubling


and your f***ing paranoia speaks volumes for the american propaganda system.

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88. jnsguts writes:

like i've said before, i'm american indian, so we are a conquered race living in a stolen country, and i still support what the troops are trying to accomplish, i have struggled and earned what i have, so as to your domestic problems, you'll have to forgive me if i have a broader view than to worry about who's welfare check didn't get sent out.... HIMMM!!!!

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and thr relevance of bieng indian is that if anyone has a valid excuse for hating the american government, it's us. but the funny thing is, we're more patriotic than most. HIMMM!!!!

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90. bradispssed writes:

patriotism in no way has to do with invasion and murder


and everything to do with the trail of tears

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91. oxide writes:

" the military is stretched thin as it is"
thanx to bush&Co., but beiseds that point, the USA has the largest military budgets in the world, about 437.111 Billion, thats more than third world countries normal budgets

"secondly, the USA has one of the highest amounts of foriegn debt of any country ever"
i know, but that dosen't stop the gov. from passing tax cuts to the rich and big oil corp. bush dosen't know how to handel the trade deficit

"ten years away from nuclear tests?"
i didn't say ther are 10 yr from the tests, i ment 10 years to make a bomb

"they've already produced enriched product, "
not enough to make a bomb, chaina didn't supply them enough to make one

"a one megaton payload would pretty much take out at least a hundred square miles, not in damage per-say, but in effectual radiation coverage"
okay, so they use a small one, what are they gonna do next? the USA alone has several hunders that can wipe iran out from earth and they know that already, they know they can't match the usa when it comes to nuclear power even if they got few bombs!

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"these guys are not just trying to get a grip on thier own soil, they are attempting to strengthen an already established network"
who do mean by "these guys"?

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"and one more thing, the u.s and the u.k. did ask, but was refused"
they refued to invade iraq b/c it was an illegal attack, the UN didn't pass the resolution like bush was hoping for b/c it had a weak argument presented to the SC, thats why most of europe and the world opposed that war

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that's why the thinking half of america at the time (about 71% now)


thought this thing was bollocks from the start

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oxide, you know damn good and well who "they" are, and as for product, do you really think there is only one source? phakistan already has a full nuclear program running as well as disembodied russian states, all eager to sell. brad, my heritage IS cherokee, so i know more about trail of tears than you can ever hope to, and furthermore, you and i will never see common ground on this issue, for you are to worried about some homeless f***er on the street that would rather drink himself into a stupor than try to get a job. and also, oxide, if you think that phakistan isnt neck deep in the terrorist game then you are blind and stupid. no disrespect meant, just a blunt statement

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96. jnsguts writes:

HIMMM!!!!

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97. bradispissed writes:

"for you are to worried about some homeless f***er on the street that would rather drink himself into a stupor than try to get a job"


lol you mean pretty much the modern day native american?

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yeah, in some tribes more than others, but i have no respect for them, for they are walking dead to those of us who refuse to accept defeat in any way, and to those of us who still hold the warriors spirit. those you speak of have become lost and are of no further use. HIMMM

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in other words, f*** em if they're that weak. HIMMM!!!!

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"oxide, you know damn good and well who "they" are"
at first iran, pakistan and afghannistan were mentioned all at once , dunno whitch one you were talking about.

"phakistan already has a full nuclear program running as well as disembodied russian states,"
i know about pakistan, but their missiles range isn't long enough to hit any westren countries, they made sure it reachs india, that's all they care about
and what about those ex-soviet states, you wanna invade them all?

"if you think that phakistan isnt neck deep in the terrorist game then you are blind and stupid"
no don;t worry i already know, but do you know that the CIA and the reagan white house(all the way to this white house) has deep ties with ISI that helped bin laden and his fellow mujahedeen(later became the talaban) in the 80's ealry 90s? and if you don't know that then you are blind and stupid. no disrespect meant, just a blunt statement

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"oxide, you know damn good and well who "they" are"
at first iran, pakistan and afghannistan were mentioned all at once , dunno whitch one you were talking about.

"phakistan already has a full nuclear program running as well as disembodied russian states,"
i know about pakistan, but their missiles range isn't long enough to hit any westren countries, they made sure it reachs india, that's all they care about
and what about those ex-soviet states, you wanna invade them all?

"if you think that phakistan isnt neck deep in the terrorist game then you are blind and stupid"
no don;t worry i already know, but do you know that the CIA and the reagan white house(all the way to this white house) has deep ties with ISI that helped bin laden and his fellow mujahedeen(later became the talaban) in the 80's ealry 90s? and if you don't know that then you are blind and stupid. no disrespect meant, just a blunt statement

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oops, didn't mean to click twice

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103. jnsguts writes:

yeah, valid point, we helped bin laden in the past, which we now know was a big f***-up, and no doubt there are mistakes being made now as well, it's a matter of which mistakes are correctable, and which are not, and when i say they, i consider all countries which have terrorist ties "they". and when i mentioned disembodied soviet states, i was not saying to invade them, i was pointing out that all of russia was LONG RANGED nuclear armed, and these weapons are on the black market, and thats why i said there is way more than one source of material for iran or anyone else to pick up if the price is right. HIMMM!!!!

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LOL, i just noticed something, oxide, you, me, brad is p***ed, and blackdog are the only ones still posting here... think we've gotten a little too deep for the rest???? HIMMM!!!!

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oh, and you too psythe, didn't mean to leave you out of the circle. HIMMM!!!!

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106. BLACKDOG writes:

Yeah I did pick up on that.Oh well reality is a funny thing.Some people can't handle it.I think we all have valid point's.The problem is common ground.We all come from different background's so common ground is going to be difficult to find INDEED !!!

If you've ever read about the Illumnati conspiracy.Then it only makes sense this would be the case.There are people in our world who have a vested interest to keep the masses seperate and dis agreeeing with each other.EXAMPLE ! War on terrorism , However the KKK , Skin Head's & Millitia's are still around & doing fine.What does this tell you.

If we could all get together & stop all the internal bickering over trivial bullsh** like skin color and cultural divide.We probably would not have half the problem's we do.That includes THE MIDDLE EAST !

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something to think about..HIMMM!!!!

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108. psythe writes:

Hahahah, yeah, I think the others all went back to the SOAD/Korn/etc threads where they belong. don't worry about it jnsguts, I think I'll survive :P

The problem with the West's hand in the East's politics, is we've been helping people to power for decades, and then those people get power-hungry or whatever and get all radical. The US and any other countries that feel likewise invade, in order to put a stop to the leader that they helped get there in the first place. The hippies go coo-coo, the Eastern majority hates the West even more for invading them (again), another leader is installed, helped along the way by the West, and the cycle repeats. Which is probably why they'r pushing so hard to democracize the place now that they've done the damage and got ol' Saddam out of power. So they don't have to keep invading the bloody place.

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109. psythe writes:

perhaps?

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110. jnsguts writes:

no matter what the gov. says, we want iraq for long term plans. yeah, we'll CALL it democracy, but make no mistake about it, we plan to maintain a certain amount of control. and i think we should, otherwise it was just all a big waste of time, and a lot of soldiers died for nothing. HIMMM!!!!

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111. bradispissed writes:

can you tell me what they've died for so far?

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THE WAR IS ABOUT NOTHING BUT MONEY AND OIL,THE GOV. DONT CARE THAT ARE SOLDIERS ARE DIEING!!!!
WE NEED TO BLOW IRAQ OFF THE MAP OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!!!!!
TO MANY OF OUR SOLDIERS ARE LOSING THEIR LIVES...........END OF STORY....

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HEY THEREAPER DO UR BROTHER AND HIS BUDDIES HAVE A RECORD DEAL.........I DIDNT THINK SO, SO SHUT THE f*** UP!!!!!!!!!!!

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114. jnsguts writes:

aparently, they've died for a lot of people who don't give a sh**, but then again, some of us still support our soldiers, and those of us who proudly served our country know that sometimes sh** hits the fan, for whatever reason, and you do what you have to do.. so try this brother, ask a g.i. who just came back from the gulf or from afghan. what they are dying for.. just be ready to duck when you do...HIMMM!!!!

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115. bradispissed writes:

look you little sh**...that question in no way takes away from the effort they put in day in and day out


it was a question referencing the overall progress made and the direction this thing has gone since day one. I have just as much family and friends in the armed services as you so think about how the f*** you phrase your opinions next time your heads that far up your own ass.

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then why don't you openly support them and the government they CHOSE to fight for instead of trying to be super-anti-war-activist-man, and actually give a sh** about something that is going to affect us all for years to come??? you talk about someones head up their ass, lift up a leg and look in a mirror. HIMMM!!!!

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and red devilled spam, get off this thread, grownups are talking here. HIMMM!!!!

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in my opinion, those that have died so far have died in order to free a nation of good people from the travesties of bad leadership. When society is too afraid to talk out against their leaders (ie Saddam), you know there's something messed up going on. And now they'r dying in an endless effort to try and reinstate peace into that country and make sure that this time another Saddam ISN'T reinstated. And then of course, there's the governments and the politicians playing their games.

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oh hell i guess being concerned about preserving the lives of americans over seas is just a little to knee jerk p***y isn't it? you wan't to know what i support. i support impeachment. i support honesty. i support checks and balances.

i don't support every right wing brainwashed bastard who needs an excuse to test the bunk equipment that our gov. has p***ed away trillions on every time we get a republican in office. you guys pick a fight and then spread the fear. you live for death and this phony patriotism you hide behind is sickening. if you care for the country you live in then as much as you say then you equally care for the people who make it breathe.


and i know you're not naive enough to be ignorant of the recruitment tactics. targeting poor black neighborhoods and coercing people at every college campus or employment agency you can imagine. the military is for a large portion of this country a very realistic way out of poverty. and how those badass 6,000 well trained coast guards are gonna help curb the festering terrorist problem we help make stronger.


it's not anti-war protesting, it's free thinking. it's knowing there is no realistic end to a war on terrorism. it's knowing that our morals are no more pure than any other individual outside of our culture. it's knowing that no country would take the burden to nuke the united states. it's knowing the hypocrisy of america. having nuclear weapons that could kill on a global scale and then we're actually arrogant enough to wave the finger at other countries who were no threat to begin with...and actually didn't have any wmd's to start with.

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120. BLACKDOG writes:

BRAD.......That was deep seriously.

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you have some intelligence behind you, that's true enough, but i seem to recall others thinking the same as you somewhere, hmmm, where was it i heard propaganda like that........oh yeah, it was in communist russia. you talk of right wing extreme and phony patriotism, my patriotism runs deep and true, brother, and i support use of force whenever it is called for when it comes to protecting our soldiers or our ideals the soldiers are fighting for. and i'll say it once again, that kind of liberal bullsh** is whats wrong with half of this country, and it's thinking like that that allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place. and it IS the governments fault for being that stupid not to watch thier backs, and allowing what happened, when it could have been prevented with a stronger system. HIMMM!!!!

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122. bradispissed writes:

"that kind of liberal bullsh** is whats wrong with half of this country, and it's thinking like that that allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place"

oh you couldn't possibly be talking about the liberal administration who were informed of that little report detailing a specific attack on american grounds recieved on august of 2001? that liberal cabinet which allowed 9/11? oh yeah that was this one dipsh**.

the only propaganda used effectively in any modern society is through power e.g. the gov...how do we keep the sheep in line? like the quote i used above at the nuremburg trials. it's through fear. it's through orange and red and f***ing yellow terrorist alerts. it's getting people to think they are constantly in danger. republicans pride themselves so much on running this country verbatim by the constitution. however one of the founding principles was avoiding conflict in foreign affairs...seems like we f***ed that all up.

"The left-wing attribution is very broadly employed as a political descriptor, and a single definition is elusive. The use of the phrase in the democratic West is quite distinct from the usage in most Communist states - where the term has connotations associated with Bukharin and the democratization of all human activities "


you're a f***ing nut job with no foundation. i want you to explain to me how it's liberals fault for building the largest deficit in our nations history, outsourcing jobs, sky rocket oil prices, inflation, income level down 2.5%, a goverment run by christian horsesh** morals...etc. i want you to explain to me the damage liberals do. go ahead i'm all f***ing ears. you tell me how the liberals who oppose the violence, the war, the president, and drunken cousin f***ers who are allowed to own ak 47s are a threat.

we have only have one country man. i think it's pretty damn paramount we focus 99% percent of our energy, capital, and intellegence fixing our own problems.

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123. psythe writes:

lol, I don't think I'm well-versed enough in American politics and all that to really continue debating, especially considering I'm an Australian and all :P

but this is great, I'm learning a lot, from both view-points here. so..uhh...thankyou, hahah.

# May 22, 2006 @ 5:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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124. Juggalotus writes:

Man the military is so f***ing bad and to top it all off When i see the recruit commercials i want go tear the heads off some f***ing punjabs!!!! More power to them they are the f***ing bomb!!!

# May 23, 2006 @ 11:43 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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125. Juggalotus writes:

To clarify a little bit.. I meant that when i Hear the DOM DOM DA DOM,CHAE ,DOM DOM DA DOM YEEEAAAHHHH!!!! I get an adrenaline rush its f***ing wicked!!

# May 23, 2006 @ 11:46 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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126. jnsguts writes:

damn, juggalotus, good attitude, seriously, but you proved some of my points and some of brads points at the same time.... how the f*** did that happen???? lol....HIMMM!!!!

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127. bradispissed writes:

i'm f***ing over this debate


with the amount of time taken to b**** on this thread i'm pretty sure we both lost

# May 23, 2006 @ 1:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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128. jnsguts writes:

AGREED, seems to me this happens quite a bit when you and i butt heads, brad, even way back when i was going by LOK HIMMM... even though we don't see eye to eye, it's still good to find some intelligent people on here, otherwise i'd be pretty bored. AGREE TO DISAGREE....HIMMM!!!!...... ( and ya got to admit, juggalotus' statement was kind funny)

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129. BLACKDOG writes:

I'M WITH PSYTHE ON THIS ONE ! I can't continue without putting a foot in my mouth.

# May 23, 2006 @ 4:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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130. BLACKDOG writes:

Ya know what ? I just rememberd something.Not to keep beating on this dead horse but.I was speaking with a friend of mine.He mentioned something called I believe it was a naturalization card or something along those lines.That would be for actual American citizens who were born and raised here.Obviously it has something to do with the imigration issues & illegal alien stuff that's going on.What do you guy's think of this.Like I saide you gotta wonder about these conspiracy theories.I mean we already have green card's for Immigrant's why do actual honest to god borne & raised citizen's need a card for ? Maybe these are the early day's of the New World Order after all.

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131. jnsguts writes:

i'm not sure, but i believe that the naturalization cards are for immigrants who became american citizens, but i may be wrong...HIMMM!!!!

# May 23, 2006 @ 5:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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132. RememberMetal? writes:

jnsguts,
you didn't -really-address any of the brads points. He only gave up because you were repeating yourself.

I'm as moderate as they come too (I supported Reagan, H.W. Bush Sr, Clinton and I would have been happy with Mccain or Kerry in office over W Bush)

I have 2 family members in the armed forces (one army one navy) so please don't use the communist liberal angle, thats getting old, tired and pathetic.

Think of a better way to make your point.

At the moment our govt is is a flailing, quivering mass of useless jello.

They did not protect us from 9/11, they allowed the bin laden family to exit our country when the planes hit, they attacked Iraq over oil and a grudge, Fema was full of friends of Bush who were NOT experienced enough to handle post-Katrina havoc, Bush is trying to take Social security from us, he tried to stop a clinically brain-dead woman from having her right to die, ALL of his underlings are being tried for corruption, Bush superceded his own power to do the wiretapping and LIED to us about the extent of his involvment in it.

That is barely scratching the surface. I'm not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion, far from it. But back it up with something other than your distaste for liberals, because I am not one of them.

# May 24, 2006 @ 5:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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133. jnsguts writes:

true, i get narrow minded at times, and tend to be pretty stubborn when i do, and looking back, there was a lot of valid points being made. i said i supported in principle and not in application, i know the bush admin. is f***ing us royally, but on the other hand that same admin is not scared to use force to back up a decision, i guess i kinda respect that in a way, and i am one gung ho motherf***er, so i post what i post.... but as i said, a lot of vali points were made...HIMMM!!!!

# May 24, 2006 @ 7:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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134. RememberMetal? writes:

Well said.

I like that you can be a rational motherf***er jnsguts. We're all prone to narrowmindedness when it come to panic button issues like politcs. I truely do not care whether we get a democrat or republican into office at next election...I just don't want another bumbling idiot.

# May 24, 2006 @ 8:30 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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135. jnsguts writes:

at least we can't do any worse......( i hope) LOL<;<;<;<;HIMMM!!!!

# May 24, 2006 @ 8:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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136. psythe writes:

RM? - you said the Bush Gov. allowed the Bin Laden family to get out of the country...didn't the Bush Gov. actually run into their homes, pack their suitcases, ferry them to the planes and wave them goodbye? :P

# May 24, 2006 @ 10:02 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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137. BLACKDOG writes:

WOULD NOT BE SHOCKED !

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138. LORLOR writes:

BUSH IS AN IDIOT! I HATE HIM. GODSMACK ROCKS!

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