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Teen At Heavy Metal Christian Concert Brutalized

Brock Parker of Alabama's WTVM News Leader 9 is reporting that a teenager at a Christian heavy metal concert was brutalized by police this past Saturday night (Sept. 3).

Witnesses at The Breaker Box club in Lanett, Alabama say the teenager was calling home to get a ride when police threw him into a light pole and then onto the ground.

"I saw two Lanett police officers. One of them grabbed a young black male, head-locked him, ran him into this pole, slammed him to the ground, put their knee in his back and cuffed him," John Keith told WTVM News Leader 9.

That's when the lead singer of ONLY AFTER FAITH grabbed his video camera.

"A blow to the back of the head, and a couple of knees to the back. They finally got a little 13 or 15-year-old boy in the car," said Adrian Buice.

The video apparently shows the boy, without handcuffs, refusing to get into the car. The officer uses his nightstick to force him into the back seat.

According to police, they cannot comment on the case until an independent investigator looks into the incident.

"When his investigation is complete, if there's a violation of policy or law, then we'll take steps to address the situation at that time," said Chief Ron Docimo of the Lanett Police Department.

Witnesses say people were being pulled from their cars by the officers after trying to leave the club.

WTVM News Leader 9 asked Docimo if this was standard procedure, if the officers have been suspended, or if police cameras show anything different. He said he is not allowed to comment until after an investigation has been conducted.

For more information on this incident, read these Valley Times-News articles from writer Patrick Sands: Story#1, Story#2.

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1. mike whitney writes:

sounds like sum racist act, cops always cover it up they will never lose

# Sep 8, 2005 @ 2:12 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. peter griffin from family guy writes:

f*** christian rock in its f***ing ass.
there is no such f***ing thing as god or satan its all a bunch of bullsh**.
http://www.misterpoll.com/3827390421.html

# Sep 8, 2005 @ 9:50 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. knowbuddy writes:

Yeah, no god or devil. just BIG FAT figgin cops who beat us all senseless. (although, I too, want to beat down some christians ever now and then) Maybe they thought he was trying to call pat robertson and incite an assasination. damn pigs!

# Sep 8, 2005 @ 9:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. ryan writes:

I wanna see that video released to the public, and those cops arrested dammit, thats despicable

# Sep 8, 2005 @ 12:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. metalhead644 writes:

I f***ing hate cops who think they have power OVER ANYONE. They may be enforcers, but god damnit, I wish we could do personality screens on cops or something... Im sick of hearing how innocent black teenagers doing absolutely wrong get f***ing beat by some god damned racial profiling piece of sh** cop, whether the cops black or white himself. I don't give a sh** if theres an escaped rapist or something... you don't go around beating black teens cause they could be that a$$hole who robbed a store or something.

This sh** makes me f***ing sick

# Sep 8, 2005 @ 12:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. ryan writes:

totally agree w/ that metalhead

f*** alabama, the only thing they have to be proud of is they aren't mississippi.

# Sep 8, 2005 @ 1:00 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. -=xXx=- writes:

LOL that shows that even christians are not safe in concerts!!!

# Sep 8, 2005 @ 2:01 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. key to nothing writes:

ALL SUPPORT ANARCHY,any cops who abuse their privalages should be f***in thrown in jail,they always get away with this sh** ,racists are so freakin blind its amazing,its because of rednecks and these jackasses that this sh** is tolerated,impeach bush or just screw the gov. in general

Metalhead644 is the man

catholics are blind followers,punks and us metalheads the only sane people in this sh**ty world

# Sep 8, 2005 @ 4:37 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. Mr_Metal_2005 writes:

I live in NC and its no better. f***ing rednecks think they own everything. I think for people to get their point accross i think there is going to need to be a very large revolt. Even if it has to result in violence. I'm tired of getting f***ed over by the f***ing president and f***ing government. I can say just about 95% of rednecks are full of sh** and should be stomped in the head until their retardation leaves them.

# Sep 8, 2005 @ 6:43 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. drugpolitiklysergik writes:

Okay, every one now is so f*cking confused and pist off about f*ck near everything, right now this country we're dealing with war issues, illegal imigration, gas prices. all mostly avoidable non-sense. Redneck or not its the right time to f*cking pick on black teenagers for some idiot bum-f*ck reason, with all these things we have got to deal with. Law enforcement"s Job is to enforce the law and enforce it right. not go around attacking black kids without a reason, using the 4th amendment saying its okay because of "probable cause".

# Sep 8, 2005 @ 10:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. metal head writes:

hahaha christian metal hahaha what a looser

# Sep 8, 2005 @ 11:20 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. rottensoul writes:

f*** all the bastard cops. they don't know how to talk with young people or even other generations. they are just out on the street to f*** our freedom. my last wish is to kill at least an Indian and a cop. f*** them

# Sep 9, 2005 @ 5:54 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. key to nothing writes:

I agree with Mr Metal,I think its about time all hell breaks loose,everyone always says we have it great and that we're the best country,f*** that,in schools now all you hear about is how countries brainwash their people but they never bother to mention how we did it to with the cold war,our country has given retards the ability to vote for jackasses like bush,the scary thing is that 52% of our country is just that stupid

# Sep 9, 2005 @ 4:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. thefutureisNOW writes:

f*** the pigs - fight the power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# Sep 9, 2005 @ 8:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. Dave writes:

so why wasn't there a riot? aren't even non metal christians against the "system" as much as the average metalhead? ... and once again the cops win metalheads in the brutality race....

# Sep 9, 2005 @ 8:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. key to nothing writes:

dave....dont give those bastards any credit

# Sep 9, 2005 @ 10:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Christian Dude writes:

Right. "F" the police. Got it. That’s been cool for years. Ok here’s the thing. OF COURSE if the police officers involved were on some hateful meaningless violence then they should be dealt with accordingly. Thats a given, right? My problem with this, and countless similar issues is that none of us writing our opinions about this were there so how can we be sure what really happened? People tend to exaggerate and add their own details to make their story seem more dramatic. If you read the article again you will see inconsistencies of the when the boy was handcuffed between the witness John Keith recollection and the video. I believe a video over an angry metal dude any day. But even the video isnt available to us, so count that out too. Plus, even the dumbest cops aren’t going to just assault some kid at a concert in front of a bunch kids who are known to be like "F" the police. Come on we (metalheads) aren’t exactly known for our go-with-the-grain wholesomeness that you find in fans of dorky feel-gooders like lets say 3 Doors Down or Creed or something. Whatever. All I'm saying is, I think its best to wait for all accounts, facts, of a story before getting crazy mad and flipping out.
Also, guys, chill out on Christian Metal. I know there are some of those guys that suck, but you can't tell bands like Overcome and maybe Zao can't be as heavy as any other non-Christian metal band. So they live through Christ, what’s wrong with that?!
Go Colts. I'm out.

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 12:52 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. ME writes:

yeah f*** cops!!!!! I too hate black people but still they think they have power over everyone, so them f***ing pigs deserve to f***ing die!!!!!!

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 2:36 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. key to nothing writes:

theres nothin wrong with black people,its the gangsters I hate

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:59 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. MetalGod writes:

Hey,
ALL YOU WANNABE PUNKS LISTEN UP, IM SICK OF ALL THIS RACISM AND HATE TOWARDS RELIGION AND COLOR OF SKIN, HEY, COPS ARENT MY MOST FAVORITE DUDES EITHER BUT WHO WOULD YOU CALL WHEN SOMEONE IS BREAKING INTO YUR HOUSE AND HAS A KNIFE TO YOUR KIDS THROAT, YEA SURE, ALL YOU TOUGH GUYS SAY YOU BEAT THE CRAP OUTTA EM BUT THAT WOULD BE HARD TO DO WHEN THE OTHER GUYS JUST PUT A BULLET IN YOUR CHEST. MAYBE START THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS REBELLION AGAINST EVERYTHING IN POWER, I DONT LIKE ALOT OF IT BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS IM GLAD WE HAVE. AND ANOTHER THING Y DONT ALL YOU ATHEIST PUNKS SHUT YUR FRIGGIN MOUTHS ABOUT CHRISTIANS, ATHEIST ARE PROBABLY THE MOST SAD SACK PEOPLE ON THE PLANET, AND BECAUSE EVERYTHING DOESNT GO THERE WAY THEY SO SCREW EVERYONE CUZ THINGS ARENT THE WAY I LIKE EM, U WANNA TALK ABOUT COPS STEREOTYPIN PUNKS, Y DONT U LOOK AT WHAT YOUR DOIN TO CHRISTIANS YOU CRANKSHAFTS, U THINK EVERY CHRISTIAN IS A LITTLE SISSY WHO LISTEN TO GOSPEL OR SOMETHIN, WELL I GOT SOME NEWS FOR YA, THERE NOT, I KNOW PLENTY OF CHRISTIAN GUYS THAT ARE STRAIGHT EDGED HARDCORE PUNKS THAT LISTEN AND ACT THE SAMEWAY ALOT OF YOU DO, OR METALHEADS THAT CAN SHRED BETTER THAN YOU CAN EVER DREAM OF DOIN, SO THINK TWICE NEXT TIME YOU OPEN YOUR PIE HOLE, YOU RACIST MONGRELS, HELL WAS MADE FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU, SO NEXT TIME SOMEBODY ROBBS YOUR HOUSE DONT CALL THE COPS, AND THINK OF THE MACHO ATTITUDE YOU TYPED, MAYBE THEN REALITY WILL CLICK IN YUR SKULLS!!!!!!!!!!

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:09 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. disciple writes:

you guys don't get it huh, you want to live in a world of dreams. these cops were wrong in doing what they did, and has to be stopped, vengence is mine says the LORD GOD. AND THESE COPS SHOULD BE FIRED. and locked up with the big boys for awhile. these are the last days the bible speaks of....

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. key to nothing writes:

this is your problem,you are a retarded follower who cant think for himself ,"god give me this ,god get me that",your so dependent,do somethin for yourself redneck

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:34 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. disciple writes:

lol, so much hate, you ned to get baptized..

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. key to nothing writes:

all christianity does is try to tell us how to live our lives

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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25. disciple writes:

looks like you living yours by your own "choice" no one is forceing you to live any other way on earth, but remeber you need to think of the afterlife.. but then again, "youe choice"

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. ghost of dead (from mayhem) writes:

see this is why i dont go church it wastes an easy sunday morning yep eat a burrito and relax.

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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27. disciple writes:

LOL is this all you got..

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:45 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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28. ghost of dead (from mayhem) writes:

after life my a$$ ill be dead in my coffin.

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:47 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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29. ghost of dead (from mayhem) writes:

well i also play my guitar and watch tv

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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30. disciple writes:

oh really, where did you learn that ??

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:48 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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31. key to nothing writes:

but they try to,dont you know that every year the catholic church tries to get scientists to teach their crap.....and bush supports it

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:49 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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32. ghost of dead (from mayhem) writes:

listen dont convert me. just like metallica said "worry about yourself instead".

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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33. disciple writes:

anyways, i'm out.nice meeting ya dude. ever hear of paltalk? come there and look up chriostian rock and fellowship room. in christianity section...i'll be there.....

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:51 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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34. disciple writes:

sorry, miss spelled "Christian Rock and Fellowship" room

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:52 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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35. ghost of dead (from mayhem) writes:

okay stryper lover.

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:53 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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36. ghost of dead (from mayhem) writes:

i repeat my comment at 32

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 10:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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37. ghost of dead (from mayhem) writes:

i won that battle

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 11:04 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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38. Kill um all writes:

i hate n*****s kill al the undesireables, WHITE POWER

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 11:16 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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39. peter grifin from family guy writes:

f*** off

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 11:19 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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40. marcus writes:

let me guess, kill um all, your a redneck, right?

# Sep 10, 2005 @ 11:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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41. key to nothing writes:

you redneck bastards are so blind,how can you say that with bands like god forbid

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42. BLACKDOG writes:

i hate n*****s kill al the undesireables, WHITE POWER ........ Say's the guy picking buggers at 11:16pm.Did it ever occur to you that you might be undesirable ? I mean besides women ?

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 12:03 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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43. Spiritus writes:

I'm a firm believer of "what goes around, comes around." If there was any wrong doing with these law enforcement officers, it will not surpass proper judgment.

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 12:26 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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44. Lawn writes:

I am totaly on the kids side, I'm from Birmingham, England, and police are always goin' round the streets randomly accusing us of violence / vandalism / ASB and all we are diong is sitting on some wall drinking Coca cola. wild.

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 8:15 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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45. THEDEVIL writes:

ok, forget about christianity or black kids for a second, here we have BIG GUYS KICKING THE sh** OUT OF SOME RANDOM INNOCENT KIDS, another human like the rest of us, it doesn't matter if we're black, white, yellow, pink, whatever, humans can not go around kicking the crap out of each other!

so f*** you bush and castro and hussein and blair and chavez and whoever kills people just for the pleasure of it.

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 10:05 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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46. key to nothing writes:

actually bush doesnt kill people for pleasure but i'm sure he would if he could

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 10:24 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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47. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

discipe is a d***.

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 11:24 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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48. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

christianity is bullsh**
and these cops suck polar bear d***.

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 11:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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49. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

its quiet in here.

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 11:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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50. key to nothing writes:

anarchy forever!!!!!!!!!!!.........or atleast untli bush gets kicked out

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 11:36 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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51. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

hey dicsiple you christian bastard f*** you and f*** mcr lover.

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 11:37 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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52. THEDEVIL writes:

anarchy forever!!!!!!!!!!!.........or atleast untli bush gets kicked out

that's the phrase of the year brother

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53. key to nothing writes:

hell ya

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 1:24 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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54. Spiritus writes:

*rolls eyes*

# Sep 11, 2005 @ 5:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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55. Justin Kissel writes:

That sucks.

And Saying that there can't be "Christian metal" is about an inane as saying that there can't be satanic metal or non-sexual jazz. HELLO!? Is there some unknown force of nature that prevents certain notes and chords from being put together with certain words that are from a Christian perspective? I'd put some of the Christian metal bands I've heard up against the secular bands any day. Early Tourniquet, early Deliverance, early Underoath, etc... they all beat out 99% of the secular metal that was coming out at the same time. The problem is closed-minded fools who probably heard some Stryper song years ago (or perhaps never heard a Christian rock song at all) and assume that Christian's can't play metal because... well... they're Christians. [sarcasm]Though I guess when you become a Christian you automatically get forced into playing bad pop using open chords at 90 bpm.[/sarcasm] Whatever! :-)

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56. THEDEVIL writes:

Demon Hunter beats the hell out 99% of early UnderOATH

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57. peter griffin from family guy writes:

aahfoisarn shgaoenhiaglm nhioagl votuihgn;fh
skgh

# Sep 12, 2005 @ 10:09 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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58. metallica95867 writes:

Almost all Christian music is crap pop and bands of all surfer wannabees. Being a Christian myself, I knew nothing but the crap music, then I discovered real rock at 12. And Metallica is right in Holier Than Thou. So many Christians point their finger and judge everyone who thinks differently from them. In my church, I played Stairway to Heaven on someone's guitar after service, then some guy got all typical Christian and stuff on me. In the immortal words of Metallica:

Who are you, where you been, where you from?
Gossip burning on the tip of your tongue
You lie so much you believe yourself
JUDGE NOT LEST YE BE JUDGED YOURSELF

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59. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
thats right

# Sep 12, 2005 @ 2:14 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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60. alexsbnd writes:

i think all the christian bands are some wannabe mofos but i dont think that kid deserved it for his taste in music. I think that cops are rascist pigs, and honestly, they should go through a mor extensive training and backround check before they are called real pigs. my respects to the kid for at least not listening to christian rap or pop.

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61. menotyou writes:

hey Metallica95867, you say "Almost all Christian music is crap pop and bands of all surfer wannabees". man you obviously have no idea whats out there! there are thousands of christian metal bands out there. many crap but many incredible also (just like non-christian bands). most people who have such hostility to christian metal do so because their half-brains allow them to only think that all christian metal is like stryper. it's like me only hearing helloween or motley crue and thinking all non-christian metal is girly.
and this notion of people thinking that christianity and metal don't mix. why? they say because metal is tough and it's rebellious and singing of god is not tough and rebellious. well i'd say it's waaay more rebellious to sing about god in such a supposed tough scene. how against the grain is that? it takes way more balls to do that than to conform to what everyone else is singing about getting p***ed/getting laid/singing about satan. that's real rebellion!
if any of you are out there saying "there shouldn't be christian metal, you can't sing about god". why the hell not? if you have that close-minded bigoted attitude then have a close look at you metal collection. if any of the bands you have sing about the devil or evil (which metallica have done - incidently i think metallica are great) - then you should apply that same principle and not listen to them because how can you honestly say it's okay to sing about the devil/evil but not god? i say let everyband sing about what they want and if you don't like it, shut the hell up and turn it off but don't be so narrow-minded to try and brainwash and tell other people what to listen to or what should be allo
awww so you got offended because you got reprimanded for playing stairway to heaven at church. i would be able to play that at my church so that must proves that christians aren't judgemental right? of course not, what it means that there are pricks in the church just like there are pricks outside the church - these are people - pricks are every where. guess what? there are good people in the church that aren't judgemental also. there are plenty of judgemental people that aren't christians right?
i know plenty of christians that wouldn't think they are better than you, that have their own problems and issues to deal with.
you poor little child. "oh poor me, all christians are so judgemental". are you really that fragile?that's such a weak excuse to label all christians as judgemental because you got offended. grow up you panty-wuss!
then you turn around and judge all christian music! man that's so hypocritical. i could quote those metallica lyrics back to you pal!
i listen to both christian and non-christian music and there are many christian bands that are just as brutal as the non-christians.
i can't believe some people here. you say that christians are narrow minded yet you have this attitude of lumping all christians as either wusses or brain washing! how narrow minded and bigoted is that!people are so quick to say things like "we have rights, we can live however we want, yeah freedom of speech, i can believe what i want" (which is all true) but then turn around and say christians can't do the same thing!
don't be pathetic and turn around and say that all christians try to shove things down your throat - you seem to be preaching the loudest here. it may not be the gospel but you're preaching your own religion aren't you?
it's so hypocritical that it's funny that there are actually people who say " i hate racists, it's so bigoted" yet in the same paragraph turn around and are bigoted to christians! ouch! the hyporcrisy is blinding!!
if you had half a brain you would admit that.
i know i've rambled on and repeated myself here so i'm sorry but o've been writing this on and off for the last hour (work is dang busy!) so my thoughts are a bit scattered.

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62. Spiritus writes:

You got some great points there "menotyou", but your points may fall short in the minds and opinions of most in this section. Some will say things and retaliate in spite of what they really think. Some speak before they think and forget to think twice before they react to more conservative comments. It is a shame that some Christians of the Christian faith point fingers and preach about all the wrong-doings of non-believers, but isn't that what many non-believers do/have done to Christians? Even in this section? Sounds to me there are double standards?
Hypocrisy is tremendous issue and it’s a shame that certain radicals (Christian radicals) and a few bad apples can misrepresent the Christian faith. The main point is that Christians are not perfect (although some have the mentality that they are), and just because someone accepts the teachings of the man who proclaimed that he was the son of God...The Way, the Truth, and the Life, does not make them perfect in any aspect....just forgiven. Christians make mistakes just like anyone else would and I hope that others who slander the faith take this into consideration.

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63. dinnertableelitest writes:

Dont crap all over the christians, its not there falt that the police are the spawn of lucifer
i mean give em a break, the song creeping death was based on the bible and it was awsome.

so just leave the faithfull alone

UP THE IRONS

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64. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

holier than thou is song about christianity and how unreal it is because there is no god or satan.
there is no heaven and hell.
"you lie so much you beleive yourself"

# Sep 13, 2005 @ 9:38 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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65. Spiritus writes:

I agree, that song is one of my favs! It's written from the point of view of the Ten Plagues in Exodus. 12: 29; enspired from the Charlton Heston film "The Ten Commandments." This song mentions more of the Ten Plagues throughout the song starting with the waters turning to blood which was the first of the Ten Plagues. Anyways, it's one of the coolest songs they've written and I love it. Be blessed!

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66. the return of death leppercon from blabbermouth writes:

spritus that was really regonizable,wait are you hurricane hugo?

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67. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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68. Spiritus writes:

"Regonizable"......?

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69. STEEL FOREVER writes:

I live in Alabama and I don't know what the n***** did or didn't do, but I'm very damn glad that there are still some ass-kicking white dudes around here. By the way, whites aren't the only racists down here. There have been blacks here that have said to me "I'm gonna kill yo white ass.'' Nobody ever sh**s on them for hating white people even though they're more racist than most white people these days. You bastards need to stop sucking black a$$ and be proud of your whiteness.

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70. the bird writes:

redneck!

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71. marcus writes:

steel forever is very queer.

dont be such a f***ing redneck. its because of people like you that america sucks.

thats right, i said it. america sucks. what now.

f***ing redneck.

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72. metal is the answer writes:

you guys are just as intolerant as the pigs if you are saying sh** against christianity or any religion. man, it really makes me sick that some of you f***ers just say this to make people angry, that its not even truly your belief. what is the point, seriously, of saying that sh**? why? wtf are you trying to prove to yourself? chances are none of us posting will ever meet in real life, its not like your statments show any relevance. prejudice comes in many forms, and its up to the bigger man to walk away and show some respect for others.

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73. hatecrewer writes:

u r right marcus that and this

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f*** all the bastard cops. they don't know how to talk with young people or even other generations. they are just out on the street to f*** our freedom. my last wish is to kill at least an Indian and a cop. f*** them

i am an indian.. who wld think america is not a country with racists in it after looking at all this sh**...?

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74. key to nothing writes:

you stupid racist rednecks are so f***in caught in the past,any black person would wup your a$$ so go hide in a hole or somethin,you'll be more usefull there

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75. marcus writes:

you know you hit rock bottom in society when you are most useful in a hole hahaha

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76. marcus writes:

in this case the rednecks

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77. HateMe writes:

yea yea cops are racist and think they are higher than all..we all know,so why isn't something being done?

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78. peter griffin from family guy writes:

i agree with every single word marcus said on comment 71
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79. Cfhdon83 writes:

i love god!!! i hope he gives me allot of money. its funny how this turned into a argument about christian metal. is their jewish metal? and what about that pie? mmmmm that taste good.

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80. Dude Mcyouguysarepussies writes:

WHY ARE YOU GUYS ALWAYS TALKIN ABOUT RELIGION, WHO CARES? IVE BEEN READING THESE DEBATES ABOUT TOPICS ON THIS WEBSITE AND IT ALWAYS TURNS TO RELIGION. JUST SHUT THE HELL UP AND LET PEOPLE BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE. THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT SOME COPS BEATING A DUDE UP, WHICH IS FUNNY. THIS SITE IS SUPPOSED TO BE METAL, METAL IS ABOUT THE MUSIC, NOT THE BELIEF. I LISTEN TO KING DIAMOND...BUT DONT BELIEVE A WORD HE SAYS ABOUT RELIGION. HE JUST HAS A KICK a$$ BAND.
METALLICA RULES(THE BAND NOT THE GUY)

P.S. f*** YOU

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81. key to nothing writes:

cfhdon83 has just demonstrated what is wrong with christianity,you christians depend on something you have no proof of,you always ask god to give you every f***in thing you want(sounds like christmas doesnt it),are you really so weak that you lack the confidence to do somethin for yourself,god just always has to be on your side doesnt he,like slayer says "i wont be force fed prophecies from the book of untruths for the weakest minds",thats what i go by

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82. azuremouse writes:

Underoath is hardcore never metal, for metal try Immortal Souls. This whole story is sad. It sucks to see that some people are still scared of progress. Racism is a waste of time, racist thoughts are for people with a lot of spare time *get a job & stop complaining you jerks*. If you don't believe in God or whatever why don't you just ignore the whole topic instead of getting all mad screaming there is no God, it makes you look almost as dumb as the hypocrites or so called hypocrites you are complaining about.

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83. ryan writes:

all of you f***ing idiots who are saying sh** like "yeah f*** n*****s" or "f*** christians," you need to shut the f*** up, because if cops can get away with doing sh** like that to that kid, they can just as easily do it to you, you're no different in their eyes, so keep your ignorant mouth shut about bullsh** like that and direct your anger to the right place

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84. azuremouse writes:

What does religious belief have to do with true talent get your head out your butt & stop being so damn ignorant.

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85. Spiritus writes:

Hmmm, "key to nothing" that's very interesting. Hmmm...Are Christians so weak that they lack the confidence to do something for themselves? Sounds like you are against Christianity and believing in God, right? "I won’t be force fed prophecies from the book of untruths for the weakest minds." So you're letting Slayer think for YOU? Obviously YOU didn't come up with that quoted lyric in your post. See, the way I look at it is, if Slayer had never written that lyric, who’s lyric would you be going by? Would you be going by some other band or someone else's lyric/thought/belief, etc?...or will you think for yourself and write down your own beliefs to quote in a post? Has Slayer ever stated what they believe in? If they have, I've never read it or heard about it, so forgive me if I've stepped on a toe or two on this one. I do recall Dave Lombardo commenting on their imagery and lyrics years ago. If I remember correctly, their imagery and lyrics were not based on what they actually believed; they did it to sell albums. So if a band adapts that kind of imagery (many bands did this I might add) and lyrical mentality and becomes fairly successful, why wouldn't it encourage another band to do the same?...or another...and another? Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.

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86. antichurch writes:

christianity is the most empty religion on this planet!they deserve to die,all!

# Sep 15, 2005 @ 6:53 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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87. peter griffin from family guy writes:

all religions make me vomit
all religions suck

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88. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
hells yeah

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89. butthead writes:

uhhhh steel forever is a fa**ot

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90. butthead writes:

comment 71 kicks ass

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91. butthead writes:

1991

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92. key to nothing writes:

all this sh** is very easily connected,renecks are racist fags,rednecks are catholic fags,bush is a redneck racist catholic fag,thus summing up how all 4 are all retarded bucket spitters

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93. EyeDontLikeU writes:

It's one thing to use force to arrest someone who's resisting but to do all of that sh** was very unnecessary.

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94. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

up bush's ass

# Sep 15, 2005 @ 5:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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95. butthead writes:

the year of 1991
919191919191919191

# Sep 15, 2005 @ 5:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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96. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
what is your thing with that year

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97. key to nothing writes:

dont ask him,he's just a little b**** lookin for attention

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98. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

yeah he has been posting that all over the place.
thats probaly the year his mother dropped him on his head.

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99. key to nothing writes:

sh**,i never thought of that

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100. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

or it could be the year i died

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101. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

lol

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102. the ghost of dead (from mayhem) writes:

rip to the real dead
rip euroynomous

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103. marcus writes:

1991 was the year the berlin wall fell wasnt it? i dont know if that is what hes talking about, but its possible..

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104. marcus writes:

and spiritus, i think you were really going out on a limb to make key to nothing look like an idiot. he quoted slayer because he felt that the quote basically sums up what he thinks. is that too hard to understand?

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105. this is god writes:

all of you suck d*** the cops beat up a kid for noting and all of you think its a good thing will all of you mother f***ers can kiss my ass

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106. someone writes:

what cracks me up is everyone is badmouthing cops because of several guys that messed up, yet saying that cops suck because they don't like metalheads and punks. A cop's job is responding to crime, and i am willing to bet he sees a lot o punks and metalheads commiting them, so by saying all cops are racist idiots, you are granting them the power to say that all punks and metalheads are criminals, and should be delt with like criminals. Also christianity is much more than many of you think, the church is shrinking in america but is groing in places like china where being a christian can land you in hard labor, or North Korea where becoming a christian is a felony, i doubt many off you would listen to metal if the very act of putting in a cd could land you years in bad prisons, they're more hardcore and brutal than any punk over here. And for the bible being a wussy book, read it, it never says that god will give you money or that crap, it says that if your a christian you will be persecuted, which there is none of in america, but the stuff that happens in other places makes this look like a polite discusion. Or take ezekiel 6:7 For when this place is filled with corspes, then you shall know that i am Lord. Or look at david, the guy who wrote most of the psalms, he would get in battles and rack up body-counts that make Rambo look like a school-yard bully, or Samson, who had "the Spirit of the Lord come mightily upon him" and did things like "killed 30 men, killed a lion with his bare hands, killed 1000 (not a typo, 1 thousand) men with a donkey jawbone, and when he died he took about 3000 people with him. I'ld like to see one of you tough guys kill a lion with you bare hands. if you still think the bible is sissy, then check out Frost Like Ashes's song A Cruel Verse, entirely quotes from the bible. Also for some real metal check out Crimson Thorn, Crimson Moonlight, Frost Like Ashes, Sympathy, Vomitorial Corpulence, As I Lay Dying, Pantokrator, Antestor, living Sacrifice, Extol (old), Aletheian, Ashen Mortality, and Acoustic Torment. so what spiritus said was true, many of you know of christianity from bands and Christians, try actually reading in the bible.

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107. Spiritus writes:

"someone" it's encouraging to read your comments and your biblical references. I thank you.

"marcus", it's hard to really stress the tone of voice when we write posts and instant messages for others, but I understood exactly what "key to nothing" was saying and I'm not sorry for what I said and if I stepped on a few toes, if you could come from a neutral position and really look at what "key to nothing" said and how much it sounded like what he was against, I think you would change your comments. So since maybe I didn't make myself clear the first time, let me just quote a lyric or two to "SUM" up what "I THINK"...ok?

"NO! This is not a joke and this is not an act! I want a reaction! I want to strike more than just a nerve! DO YOU FEEL IT!? You've been wrong this whole time! THIS WHOLE TIME!! The book of Satan, the book of Mormon, the Koran...they've been WRONG this whole time! You think the truth is painful? Continue to dismiss this is not important until it's YOUR time to go! THAT IS PAIN!" -Training For Utopia-

Thanks for your response "marcus" I appreciate the discussion.

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108. the bird writes:

christianity is bullsh**

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109. butthead writes:

1991

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110. someone writes:

cowpies are bullsh**

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111. someone writes:

i looked it up again, and samson actually ripped the lion into pieces

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112. key to nothing writes:

spiritus,i believed that far before that cd came out,i just thought it was a good lyric to sum up the comment,and your last post.....just doesnt make any sense

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113. Spiritus writes:

Point taken "key to nothing." As far as I'm concerned, I think my post made perfect sense...in reference to some of your comments and to "marcus" (in my last post) and the overwhelming mentalitly of some of the other posts. Not sure what part of my post that didn't make sense, but I'd be happy to explain. We have the right and the choice to believe and say what we believe in...that is our Constitutional Right. Even though I may think some of your comments are...well, I keep that comment to myself, I'll support you Right to say what you choose. Thanx for the discussion.

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114. key to nothing writes:

i grew up around catholics,i never had a problem with it until i started to think differently then them that i realized that they had no evidence for their claims of god,i feel like they just lied to me the whole time,its just f***ed up

# Sep 16, 2005 @ 4:31 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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115. Spiritus writes:

Sorry you feel that way "key to nothink", but if it's facts you are looking for...they're there. They' may not always fall in your lap. Faith is the key. I don't know what these people told you that created your distrust, but think about this: there are Christian Catholic denominations, but not all Catholic denominations are Christian. There are those who claim to be Christian but are not, and some who are Christian can make a very bad example of what the faith really is. What ever your belief may be, it takes some kind of faith to back that belief. So even if you were not really taking from Slayer's lyric/beliefs, you obviously have some sort of faith/belief...regardless of what you call it. Now, I don't know what helps back your beliefs, but it's the same for Christianity. The faith in Christ the Son of God and biblical teachings helps support my beliefs. It was because God helped me believe and revealed many things I wanted answers to. I didn't want to believe for a long time, and I didn't read a bible because it contadicted what I believed and my lifestyle. If you have questions you want answered, pray and ask God, He's there.

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116. Spiritus writes:

Sorry you feel that way "key to nothink", but if it's facts you are looking for...they're there. They' may not always fall in your lap. Faith is the key. I don't know what these people told you that created your distrust, but think about this: there are Christian Catholic denominations, but not all Catholic denominations are Christian. There are those who claim to be Christian but are not, and some who are Christian can make a very bad example of what the faith really is. What ever your belief may be, it takes some kind of faith to back that belief. So even if you were not really taking from Slayer's lyric/beliefs, you obviously have some sort of faith/belief...regardless of what you call it. Now, I don't know what helps back your beliefs, but it's the same for Christianity. The faith in Christ the Son of God and biblical teachings helps support my beliefs. It was because God helped me believe and revealed many things I wanted answers to. I didn't want to believe for a long time, and I didn't read a bible because it contradicted what I believed and my lifestyle. If you have questions you want answered, pray and ask God, He's there.

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117. Spiritus writes:

Sorry guys; my apologies for the double posting. It wasn't intentional.

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118. marcus writes:

ive gotta be honest, spiritus i did not quite understand your quote, but ill trust that it makes sense.

plus i think post 6 is very good. mind you, im not christian, but i agree with him.

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119. Spiritus writes:

I'm guessing the quote you're talking about is from my post 107? Well, to me it's pretty obvious, but maybe I should elaborate just a little more. "key to nothing" quoted a lyric from Slayer's song "New Faith"...the lyric goes as the following: "I wont be force fed prophecies from the book of untruths for the weakest minds." The song is against everything biblical; I mean, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I would have to be kidding myself if I were to say that Tom, Kerry, or Jeff (which ever one wrote the song) wasn't implying that regardless of what they truly believe. Don't get the idea that I'm some Christian radical preaching against secular music; I'm almost 30 and I've been listening to Slayer since I was in grade school. I appreciate the music, but not their message.

Now as for my quoted lyrics from Training For Utopia's song "A Single Handed Attempt At Revolution", the song is directed toward Marilyn Manson and his ideals, beliefs, lifestyle, etc., and the fact that what ever his beliefs are (obviously not Christian) whether it be from the books of Satan, Mormon, Koran, etc., and any other book/religion rather than the bible, is basically calling his bluff and warning him if he keeps rejecting the Truth, it will be very painful for him when it's his time to leave this world. I mean, Manson tears pages out of the bible so obviously he doesn't want to be force fed anything biblical either, right?...or is he doing it to sell albums and draw attention to himself? Regardless of either, hence the quoting of TFU's lyrics. I'm not saying that "key to nothing" believes in Slayer's ideals, but if my faith continues to get bashed here I'll be sure you call you out or call your bluff. No one here knows me personally, so the views that some have here about Christianity are seriously flawed. Me choosing to believe in a God that loves me despite my flaws and giving someone the shirt off my back out of love makes me week minded? Man! I’d hate to hear what some would say about me if I were the one that actually gave you life. I hope this makes things a little more clearer. Thanx once again for you response.

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120. key to SOMETHING writes:

funny how those that preach against the message of Christ or the existence of God use the "blind followers" or "can't think for themselves" argument. There is no system of belief that stands taller to the test of reason than Christianity. You just have to face it with the idea that it JUST MIGHT be true.
Spiritus; keep it real man. To quote U2 (can I do that on a heavy metal forum?) "Love and Logic keep us clear. Reason is on our side..."
Now how did I end up here?....

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121. someone writes:

that's very true, there are many critics who set out to discount Christainity that actually end up becoming Christian, the reason is they found out information, and the information wouldn't allow them to say "christianity is bullsh**" anymore.
Christianity hasn't been tried and found wanting, but found difficult and left untried
Christ didn't say "call upon my name and i will make you rich and give you friends and give you a good life and save you from hell and all that other bullcrap" he said "follow me" and since is the creator and God, that is a call we cannot dismiss lightly

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122. key to nothing writes:

you catholics never give any reason for the existance of god,christianity is just so accepted in america now that everyone has bought into it without bothering to be skeptical,look at all the facts,you people just deny it so strongly because your to weak to live life without someone that will just change everything with the snap of a finger,if you want something you gotta work at,not sit on your your a$$ and hope god hears you instead of every other greedy bastard out there

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123. marcus writes:

thanks spiritus, i understand your quote alot better now

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124. key to EVERYTHING writes:

someone - I really like that quote "Christianity hasn't been tried and found wanting..." I've read it before, I think it was G.K. Chesterton.

k t n, for starters I am not Catholic (I'm not even american). My belief in God comes from questioning our existence here, the existence of moral absolutes (right and wrong) and many other things, and finding God as a cause for it all the only plausible answer. Just because some couldn't provide evidence doesn't mean it's not there, it just means it's up to you to look for it.

Think about this syllogism:
"Objective moral values only exist if God exists. Objective moral values do exist; therefore, God exists" (Ravi Zacharias)

There are plenty of thinking Christians out there. If you want a taste - try "Mere Christianity" by C.S Lewis (Who was once, by the way, a raging atheist) . "Jesus among other Gods" by Ravi Zacharias.
Don't expect to find a proof for OR AGAINST the existence of God though, a proof implies mathematical calculation.
Perhaps the only *proof* of God's existence to us must be purely personal - and to summarise that and close this comment, I quote blindside "In the air of the truth"
"Let me hear it once again
Silent thunder shake me
I will wait forever if that's what it takes for me to hear and see"

# Sep 17, 2005 @ 9:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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125. someone writes:

i am not catholic, but i am american, and not sure i'm proud of it. Although idiots like pat robertson may disagree, america isn't a christian nation anymore, if it ever was. the church is completely screwed up in america, and there are many starting to realize that the cookie-cutter faith it preaches is far from the bible. Christ was the most rebelious figure the world has every seen, he stood up to the spiritual leaders of the day that were corrupt, he challenged the social struture like none have nor will. while you may think that many different bands have done more then him standing up to the industry and goverment and religion, i have yet to here a story about a musician getting wacked for his message

some more books are any of the "the case for _______" (faith) (the Creator) (Christ), these are all excellent resources written by an athiest that went on to study these 3 topics, and becam a christain because of it

i also am not trying to foist my beliefs on anyone, but am engadging in a conversation that allows both sides to bring forth their arguments and ideas, so i have a request, please stop the "God/Christianity/Christ is bullsh**/stupid/f***ed up/whatever" post and instead say why you think that

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126. Spiritus writes:

"key to nothing" just so we're on the same level here; I'm not Catholic I'm Baptist. I hope I didn't confuse you with my comment on Catholic denominations?

Man, I wish I knew some of these facts you speak of that Christians buy into. Do you feel that believers in God are uneducated and are just following traditions? As far as education, I have two college degrees; one in Music Theory/Education and the other in Multidisciplinary Psychology. Of course I follow many traditions that my family instilled. I'm from the south and I'm Irish so we have many, but I do not accept the existence of God because of tradition. I don't accept the existence of God because I can't think for myself or that I'm a redneck; when I did things for myself and excluded God, it didn't get me anywhere. I accept the existence of God because I felt Him pull my heartstrings; and once you begin to accept the existence of God, the questions and pictures become more in focus (The Ontological Argument).

So, you are looking for explanations of God's existence, right? If you are willing to take few moments of your time and do a search on the following philosophical arguments that I will list, I think it may help you answer some of your questions. I’d be happy to post them, but for the sake of not having to read a novel in one sitting (as you can tell, I’ve written some lengthy posts) I’ll list the titles and hope you take the opportunity to look into these. These arguments use factual logic (mostly common sense), they are not actual proof mind you; these arguments are controversial, but they may help you form a better opinion about the existence of God that you eagerly claim Christians are not providing.

“The Ontological Argument”
“The First Cause Argument”
“The Argument from Design”
“The Moral Argument”

Try using this URL www.existence-of-god.com


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127. key to nothing writes:

alright,i have concluded that because of the different places that we live that things just arent making any sense ,something about our differing cultures i guess,i'm sick reading these long posts and trying make sense of them,....and no ,i dont think catholics are uneducated,i just think that they never bother to question what they are brought up to believe,but maybe thats just the ones that i know

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128. Spiritus writes:

Well "key to nothing" it was great discussing this with you and "marcus." I'm not sure what else I can do except provide you with the resources, if you so choose, to take your interest in this any futher. You have the website I posted for logical proofs of the existance of God. The ball is in your court now. Hit me up sometime on the boards if you want to discuss any of this in further detail or if you need any additional info.

"someone" , "key to EVERYTHING" , "key to SOMETHING" I appreciate your comments and encouragement on this board as well. If there is anyone I forgot, thanx for your contribution. Take care all!

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129. N/A writes:

Way to go Spiritus! I agree whole heartidly.

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130. N/A writes:

God helps those who help themselves, we dont all sit around waitng for handouts. FYE.

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131. TwistedFairie writes:

Seems like this went waaay out of porportion. Turned into a religion conversation...why? Why aren't we focusing on the fact that a teen got brutalized by a cop? You can't even go to a christian concert and be safe nowadays.

It shows that God doesn't look after you as much some would think. Because afterall that is where free will comes into play. I don't think God intervenes a whole lot. Not as much as alot of people think anway.

SPIRITUS~ WOW, you really seemed like you wanted to win an arguement. Getting all high and mighty about things. And be-littleing people in a sly and nice way. I know ur type...lol

But I mean, let me give you a few pointers...if you want to be heard and understood why don't you start with short paragraphs. With only 5 sentences max in each one. You can have a long post but when u break things down like this, it makes it easier.

People would be more apt to read ur long posts and really get what ur saying. It's hard to read long paragraphs on a computer screen. Cause you loose ur place so much. Alot of people read while their finger is following the words. It's hard to do that on a computer screen.

I'm not downing ur views and opinions...but why do u insist on trying to change other peoples views? And slyly cut them down? If these people feel strongly about their beleifs and opinions than let it be....it's obvious that Key to Nothing has his own opinions and isn't going to be swayed in another direction.

Why keep at him? Why try to change his beleifs? Didn't it come across as he didn't want to be pursuaded into thinking like you? Why not "teach" someone who is genuinely interested?

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132. N/A AKA AVIDFAN writes:

No offense, lol..im not like a bible thumper, i just had to throw in my 2 cents on that one... i do like Key to Nothing tho, hes a friend of my bestfriend "Twisted Fairie" her take on the wholle issue better explains my feelings...but i did think that Spiritus did a good job, thats b/c im that type of debater myself...im the one Twisted Refers too, lol...have a great day alll... Christians, Non Dem's, Athiests & satan worshipers alike..have a great time. lol.

# Sep 19, 2005 @ 2:52 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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133. TwistedFairie writes:

Also- NO ONE who is athiest will want to listen to someone who goes on and on about their religion beliefs, and ESPECIALLY who slyly be-littles them....it won't work. They will NOT open their ears and listen. (or their eyes and read) They have their beliefs and you have yours.

That isn't gonna make them want to open a book or the bible and read about God, that just pushes them away even more. Just let people have their own beliefs, how hard is that? This is why I am not keen on organized religon.

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134. dinnertableelitest writes:

Wow and I thought this was a metal site, I mean can we get off the subject of pissing on one another and get back to the wrongness of cops beating some poor chump up at a metal concert.

I myself am from Ireland and trust me the cops in America are no were near as bad in the USA as they are in Belfast. Only 2 weeks ago some English copper kicked my face in for starting a bull pit at a small pub concert…. I MEAN WHAT THE f***…. At any concert here some one will get takin out by the cops we just get over and from time to time call up the IRA and take out one of there Pig Houses.

Im not inciting terrorism or anything but maybe if you are truly angry at the police you should all stage a mass protest or something… but knowing most Americans u guys wont cuz it doesn’t really mean that much to u.

Any way cant wate for motor head in Australia goin down there for Christmas gonna be awesome.

UP THE IRONS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I bet some ones gonna whinge abut this post, I bet 50$

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135. jim270 writes:

This sh** will never end, cops will always have the upper hand and we will always be the ones who get beat down. We cant defend our selfs against them or were "resisting arrest" its human f***ing nature to resist what you dont want. I dont want cops beating me and my friends down anymore, but its time we stop b****ing about it and time to start f***in sh** when sh** like this happens

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136. dzimmy writes:

was the cop really racist? or doing his job? wouldn't it be nice if a cop would have done this to dimebag's shooter before he got killed? damn you people

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137. someone writes:

kudos to dzimmy
the reason that there are cops who are heavy-handed towards punks and metalheads may be becasue of their "f*** the cops" attitude

# Sep 19, 2005 @ 1:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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138. TwistedFairie writes:

yea....but still no reason to brutalize someone like that....

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139. TwistedFairie writes:

dinnertableelitest, i don't really understand ur post....and what's wrong with Americans? what are you insinuating?

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140. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

hey twisted farie

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141. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

these cops are f*** racist pigs.

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142. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

i mean these cops are f***ing racist pigs
reminds me of the rodeny king beating.

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143. TwistedFairie writes:

hey sweetie...
right....its really f***ed up....

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144. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

please exuse the blood

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145. Spiritus writes:

"TwistedFairie" I agree that my comments got somewhat lengthy and I stated that in one of my posts, so that's my fault if my posts weren’t easy to read. My apologies to everyone. I think I will take into consideration your point on breaking down my posts to make it an easier read.

“key to nothing” feels bitter toward the Christian faith, and I think “key to nothing” (and others) are misinformed about the Christian faith…and that may not really be his fault. If he’s not interested in being a little more informed, that’s ok; I'll respect his decision. I left info and resources to further his interest if he has any; and to anyone else who may have interest. I think we agreed to disagree.

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146. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

i just beat up george bush

# Sep 19, 2005 @ 3:27 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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147. TwistedFairie writes:

Yea...I was baptised when I was 8 years old...ive been to church and all. I've been back and forth about the whole thing. I just don't like the fact that "if you aren't christian then ur going to hell" i think that is wrong. Most christians are very judgmental as well....i just don't want to be grouped with them. I think that anyone should beable to go to heaven as long as they try to be a good person....but unfortunately according to christians that isn't the way it is...the whole thing is messed up.

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148. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

its really hardcore christians i dont like.

# Sep 19, 2005 @ 3:41 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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149. TwistedFairie writes:

i can understand that, ghost

# Sep 19, 2005 @ 3:58 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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150. Spiritus writes:

Also “TwistedFairie” I accept your criticism; I encourage it. I don't think I did anything different than any other in here except I didn’t call names. I think it’s rather funny though when someone posts comments/opinions in discussions like this when it’s mostly one sided; and when I and select few interject contradictive criticism (I and select few being Christian mind you) , we get passed off as being “high and mighty” for doing the same thing...or worse, getting called something derogatory which happens a lot.

Personally, I think its one thing to state what you believe, but when it then resorts to name calling and contradiction, that’s taking it on a whole different avenue. Others brought in their negativity and forceful view points way before I started commenting on it.

I chose to speak up for my faith and when necessary I contradicted and asked questions. Is it wrong for me to do that? Others did it. Questions were asked, I think I aswered them fairly well. Look at "key to nothing's" (and other posters) earlier replies to other posts and ask yourself again. Looks to me he wasn't expecting someone with a totally different view to have a rebuttal for his claims and comments.

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151. TwistedFairie writes:

It just looked like to me that u weren't really concerned with trying to state ur opinions and so forth only trying to win a debate. Because it's obvious that Key To Nothing wasn't really feeling ur opinions...and to me if that is the case then maybe u should move on instead of listing websites and such for him to read when u know he isn't. Just seemed like u were just trying to be superior.

But maybe I'm wrong...and yes, others were being disrespectful as well...but that should just let you know that they aren't interested in what u say. People play alot of games on here and hardly take anyone seriously....

If you would like to chat futher on IM, let me know....I don't want to fill the threads up.

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152. RememberMetal? writes:

Meh.

Like anything, there are good and bad people of every religious and spiritual persuasion. I could find you a very kind and loving atheist and elsewhere a hateful, homophobic, racist Chrisitian.

On the opposite side, I could introduce you to a non-judgemental evangelical Chrisitan and woman beating agnostic.....Differnt strokes for differnt folks.

At the end of the day the reason so many people dislike christians is because so many people hate our current president (rightfully so IMHO) who happens to align himself with the fanatical chrisitan political agenda, dispite the fact that in his 5 years he has done little or nothing for them.

Regardless, I dont think it's fair to come down on Christians in general, by and large they are a good people.

It's the sects of Christians fanatics that fear and hate anyone who sees the world differntly (and ussually more liberally) than they do that need to be stopped.

Their goal is too push back the clock to the "Andy Griffin show" era or further.....They are truely dangerous.

# Sep 19, 2005 @ 4:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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153. TwistedFairie writes:

yea...u have a point RememberMetal?

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154. Spiritus writes:

Sounds good "TwistedFairie". Is that the same as your AIM screename? If so, we'll chat sometime.

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155. BLACKDOG writes:

This is all too true.

# Sep 19, 2005 @ 11:54 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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156. TwistedFairie writes:

Spiritus, my aol screen name is FairieSecrets82

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157. VALlium writes:

i believe you remembermetal?... wat u said is ryt, all i can say is "belive in yourself and all gods die"..
blinding ignorance does mislead us, oh wretched mortals open your eyes!!!!

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158. Spiritus writes:

TwistedFairie, my AIM is FaithAtRest

# Sep 20, 2005 @ 3:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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159. dinnertableelitest writes:

Twisted fairie, i hav nothin against americans i just think that ur all winging about cops that are just doing their job. Now i understand that some may be corrupt to the teeth and i understand u complaining about them but most are just doing their job. any way my frend is american and he is lazy as sin but he is still a good kid.

Also man dont worry what other christians are doing just do what u think god wants you to do, usually it will be the right thing. And just so u know not all non christians will go to hell because god loves every thing he has created, like to the jews for example they are still his people so if they follow the torah they will get into heaven and those isolated tribes in africa will go to heaven if they do good.

Fairie it saddens me to hear that relation ship with god is going smoothly but its up to u, im christian and i aint judging we all question or beliefs but through our faith in god we perserver.

i will pray for u man dont worry about.

and spiritus are you are minister?..... i was just wonderin because u seem patient adn very wise.

UP THE IRONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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160. metalldzppln writes:

cops are always doin' the sh**

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161. Spiritus writes:

Na "dinnertableelitest", I'm not a minister, but I've had people suggest that I consider seminary school to pursue becoming one...which I've given much thought to. Rather though, I pursued my education in Music/Theory & Education and Muti-disciplinary Psychology.

As far as me being wise, LOL, I'm 28; I got a lot of years ahead of me before most would really consider me wise. And as for patients, I can say that patients come from much praying. Like they say, “Patients is a virtue” and I still need some work on that to, bro. I appreciate the complement man, I really do. Thanx so much!
“Let the metal onslaught continue!” -Living Sacrifice-

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162. TwistedFairie writes:

dinnertableelitest, just wanted u to know that im a chick...u kept calling me "man"...don't know if ur just using slang or whatever but......i had to let that be known, just in case....

Spiritus, I added u to my buddy list....hope to chat with u further...Muti-disciplinary Psychology sounds very interesting....i've always wanted to study psychology.

# Sep 21, 2005 @ 6:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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163. TwistedFairie writes:

well, i thought i added you....sometimes my AOL screws up and it won't add...but u can add me if you like...

# Sep 21, 2005 @ 6:40 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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164. dinnertableelitest writes:

Sorry fairie im from ireland and i cant realy tell man from woman, but i was using man as a slang term any way... some sub concius thing i say, any way spiritus have u heard of bloodgood or sventh angel cuz if u have i was wondering if u know what there tour dates are that is if there still touring

UP THE IRONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# Sep 21, 2005 @ 7:33 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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165. TwistedFairie writes:

thats cool that ur from Ireland, ive always want to go there and to Scotland as well. Since my mom's side has alot of Irish in them and my dad has mostly Scotish them. Anyway, thought id share....

# Sep 21, 2005 @ 7:38 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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166. TwistedFairie writes:

on my dad's side* is what I mean....

# Sep 21, 2005 @ 7:39 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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167. Me writes:

Everytime a minority gets beat up they cry racism. (mainly Blacks). Hey you brought it on yourself. Just look at new orleans. stealing tv's, 50 pairs of nike's and so on and so on. Get off of welfare, quit selling and using crack. And last but not least QUIT playing the racism card everytime you don't get your way. These are my views and I have the right to say them. If you don't like them. I could care less

# Sep 21, 2005 @ 9:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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168. TwistedFairie writes:

ahh...well, aren't you all high and mighty...u know it all....

# Sep 21, 2005 @ 9:32 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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169. TwistedFairie writes:

feel better now that u shared ur views?

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170. Holy S**T writes:

Those views by Me, are dead on. The truth hurts. I couldn't agree more

# Sep 21, 2005 @ 9:46 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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171. TwistedFairie writes:

well, it doesn't hurt me...lol i just don't like the attitude he/she projected...

# Sep 21, 2005 @ 9:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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172. Salvationisnothing... writes:

God does not exist....but we all do....if all ur telling us is true, then were like puppets of god who controls us, i dont believe in that crap..........i believe in you, me,and everything else....be an atheist and live life to the fullest.......

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173. VALliums writes:

yeah thats ryt salvationisnothing... all we are is shadows and dust... most people think about second life or other supernetural beliefs because they are afraid to die... wat we must do is accept death because death is a natural phenomena like birth.... all of us will die...and i dont wanna die and see that i lived my life believing gods that dont really exist....

# Sep 21, 2005 @ 11:56 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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174. TwistedFairie writes:

umm...i don't know about that one VALIiums....I beleive in God BUT I'm also into Necromantic....which means, u love and respect death...u recognize it as a part of life...a transformation....something that relieves you from the pain...

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175. Mikail writes:

Being a Christian is not being a puppet. It is a choice. Considering the many things the Bible says that have been proven historically and archeologically, it seems that it is the only "religion" that can back its claims up with some sort of proof. You wanna live your own life? Fine. But its better to follow Jesus than myself any day. He's the King of dying. I can't wait to die, but I'm just as happy being here for now, where I can get some str8 up metal action on. Staple rules! Demon Hunter rules!

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176. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

comment 71 and 172 are probaly the best comments on this thread.
put !, korn boy ,and all the racists ,and hardcore christians into camps so will never hear from them again.

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177. the ghost of dead(from mayhem) writes:

i reject this f***ing race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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178. Shmotz101 writes:

you f#cking racist fags can go to f#cking hell, most of my freinds are black. so f#ck off you c#ck licking, my chemical romance loving, sh#t eating, george bush f#cking, man a$$ licking, racist fags.
ALL PRAY TO METALLICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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179. skullface writes:

Yeah right on shmotz101 they are all fags. oh yeah Kill um all, your gay.

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180. dinnertableelitest writes:

U guys are missing the point that jesus tried to tell us and that was just be cool with each other and just live a good life, their is no need for all this anger evry one has their view and god still will luv u even if u hate.

any way just thought id say im goin 2 see children of bodom on october the 1st and i'll be standing side by side with blacks and whites, muslim and jew but we will all be united in the music and so should all of u since this is a metal site so lets talk some metal.

and just so all the aithest no preaching that their is no god is still preaching so why do u giv out to us about preaching while u r still doing it......i think my muffins are burning

UP THE IRONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# Sep 22, 2005 @ 11:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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181. TwistedFairie writes:

angry angry...but at least people are getting their views out....

# Sep 22, 2005 @ 11:21 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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182. Spiritus writes:

"dinnertableelitest" I'm familiar with Bloodgood, but I never became a real fan and heard very few songs by them. And as for touring, I don't think they are touring right now. I think one of the members has some health issues.

I don't think Seventh Angel is touring either. I do know that they just released a new album on Bombworks Records. They may eventually tour somtime. That's all I know at the moment.

So you say you are from Ireland? You live there currently, or did you used to live there? I think I may have some relatives that live somwhere around Churchill, Donegal, or Letterkenny.

# Sep 22, 2005 @ 11:35 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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183. TwistedFairie writes:

Spiritus, hey i added you....where have ya been?

# Sep 22, 2005 @ 11:57 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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184. AvidFan writes:

WOW, talk about your angry at the world type of people, lol...well have fun & i hope this all makes ur a$$holes smile. :) Thanx for letting us know salvationisnothing on ur post #172, its nice to know that an earthling like u knows that for A FACT God does not exist...who provides ur knowladge? I believe in God but I dont know for a fact if he exist's its called "believe in God" not knowing. I also dont agree w/hypocytes & orginized religion either. Just had to share :D but ya know like i said, whatever makes ya happy :D

# Sep 23, 2005 @ 4:50 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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185. TwistedFairie writes:

riight...avidfan...well said...

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186. fuck the police writes:

whoa police brutality to cristians that guy going to enjoy the under world trust me ive been there. lol

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187. brokenwings13 writes:

Wow. Interesting story. I can't wait until the independent investigator's report is done because this sort of thing SHOULD NOT happen!

# Sep 24, 2005 @ 6:12 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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188. dinnertableelitest writes:

Spiritus I’m from Dublin, but at the moment have moved to Australia to watch children of bodom play. Plus I also am gonna go skiing soon at Thredbo its gonna be awesome.

I still would like to know though why does all the atheists and the such all hate people with beliefs in a higher being…… I’m just dumbfounded how can u hold a grudge against some just because they think there is a heaven or hell?

Hmmm kangaroo has come to deliver the mail better go get it….

UP THE IRONS!!!!!!!!

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189. IserveMetal writes:

this sort of brute sh** makes me sick. dont no what the f*** the "christian metal" thing is all about, if it was up to christians pack in the days of judus priest, metal wouldnt exist, f***, they even kicked up a stink at the beetles for f***s sake. racists r irgorance at its very worst and most stupid, i say all us metal head from around the world give em a taste of their own bruital medicine!!!! WE WILL RISE!!!!!! lol
bodom rule dinnertableelitest, long live metal! i'll have to quote arch enemy once again "one for all, all for one, we r strong, we r one" \m/ keep the metal faith my pure f***ing metal brothers and sisters!!!!

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190. russ writes:

great christian site..not...whats up with the cursing? its an obviuos sign of a sinfull nature...grow up!

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191. the ghost of DEAD (FROM MAYHEM) writes:

im sick and f***ing tired of these hate crimes. people just dont understand that people are people no mater what you skin color is. and to you rednecks go to f***ing hell you a$$ lickers. and heres a note to varg "racsit a$$ cheese" vikernes go f*** yourself you nazi i hope you rott in your f***ing cell and die burzum sucks! ARCH ENEMY KICKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.misterpoll.com/poll.mpl?id=731266438

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192. sex writes:

FUUCK THE PO PO f*** THE POLICE NIGGS

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193. the ghost of DEAD (FROM MAYHEM) writes:

all racists should be killed

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194. ! writes:

to the earlier posts on catholics, you call yourselves metalheads, and speak evil things. youshould be embracing the catholic church. the vatican is the seat of the anti-christ. 100% biblical fact. do a little research before you say something on a subject you know absolutely nothing about. thank you, and good nite.

# Sep 27, 2005 @ 9:36 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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195. Kristen writes:

I'm an old head metal head (31) and this stuff has been going on since "back in my day". I went to a Testament concert in 1990 and this police man was eyeing my friends and I up (and we were little girls!) while smacking his billy club. I remember him screaming at us to "keep on moving". Jesus I was waiting for a ride from my parents (I was 15 at the time) Who knows, some good cops, a lot of cops with major attitudes.

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196. unluckoftheirish writes:

I hate cops' ways of mind............They assume that they are above the law, simply because it's their job to enforce it. F***ing p***ies..................I bet those cops got picked on as kids..........they must be some really unhappy people..............

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197. unluckoftheirish writes:

I totally agree with you metalhead644..................Spread the word.............Let it be known!!!!

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198. ShadowMcers writes:

i like pepsi...

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199. A Christian writes:

you people do not have a clue of what you're talking about! maybe if you opened the bible every now and then, flip to Daniel, Revalation, and the words of Christ himself and actually tried to take in what was prophesied you might actually find yourself coming face to face with the harsh reality of seeing that the book you call a pathetic fairytale is actually revealing more facts as every new day unfolds. Technology and world control is becoming clear. The holy war will not end whatsoever because the muslims will by no means give up, they believe killing people by acts of siuicide is a beautiful thing to their god. Things like this as well as many other false doctrines lead people into thinking christianity is no different, i can't help but agree because there are so many people that go about preaching the gospel in such a hurtful way leaving the unsaved feeling the same way about christianity as they did before. Now I'm not a preacher by any means and I'm not here to pound you with convicting scriptures. I'm a metalhead just like anyone else who visits this site. It's just when see where people have bashed the one who shed his precious blood for me so that i could be forgiven for the horrible things i've done so i could inherit eternal life in a place that is the complete opposite of the one i'm living in presently, i can't help but be severely offended and stand up for what i believe in. All of this God bashing is so unbelievably sad, you have no idea of what you're doing, but at the same time this too has been prophesied. I'm sorry if this offended anybody, i just believe in prayer and for those of you who continue to carry on with this blasphemy, you will definitely be in my prayers, I don't mean any offense by that whatsoever, I just wanna let you know that I care, but not nearly as much as God does. Whether you hate me or not, thanks for taking time to read this.
God Bless,
A Christian

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200. TwistedFairie writes:

well said, A Christian

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201. Spiritus writes:

Amen!

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202. RememberMetal? writes:

to post 199

You seem like quite the educated metal fan.....That can at times be rare around here. You also seem to be a person devoted to their faith...Which is something else I respect. I went to catholic grade and highschool but today remain in a theologically gray zone. Above all of this I value someone with the gift of reason.....

Rationality is in short supply in the world in general, not just on this site. It's good of you to share your views without resorting to name calling and or fire and brimstone theatrics, that behavior widens the existing rifts you speak of.

I think the times we live in are driving a deeper wedge between believers, the secular community and the fanatics of all religions.....

At this time the lines are blurred and everyone is kind of doing role call.....

"If your'e not with me your'e against me, If your'e not part of the answer you must be part of the problem."

You will find that in the realm of social politics, the war effort(s), science, education, fairness and equal rights....Everything....even fans of music. The world is in a state of disaray unlike anything seen since the World Wars and the lines in the sand have been drawn.

After this point in history I suspect the worlds people will have a greater respect for eachothers very differnt views but there will be many many casualties before we reach that enlighted point...

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203. theresshitonthewalls writes:

You're optimistic RememberMetal?. I think armageddon would bring us to that point of enlightenment. BRING IT ON!!!

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204. RememberMetal? writes:

heh.
Thats more or less my conclusion, the survivors will be the ones (regardless of their viewpoint) with both feet firmly planted in reality.....That is ofcourse unless the fools in power, here and abroad, dont destroy us without our say so.....

Yeah Im optimist on my good days. On my not so good days I think whatever force created us should have just scrapped us like a Motley Crue B-side.

But im all for cooler heads prevailing, it just --can't-- happen in this day and age.....Compromise, treaties, pacts, peace talks are all considered a sign of weakness. We live in a doomed world.

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205. ghost writes:

peace sells...but whos buying?!

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206. smart person writes:

first off which do you hate Jesus or Religion? And can you see a difference between them?

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