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Apology Accepted But Nobody Should Be Defending Phil Anselmo's Remarks

There are few things more pathetic than supporting a rich and successful public figure's mistakes. Out on the great, glorious internet, I've seen apologists for Mel Gibson, Brian Wood, even Martin Shkreli. So the amount of people defending Phil Anselmo - when he clearly doesn't need defending - is hardly shocking. It's just disappointing.

For those out of the loop, a visibly drunken Phil Anselmo recently closed out a charity benefit concert by shouting, “White power” after covering his former band's, “Walk.”

The reason why this whole incident is newsworthy is Phil Anselmo's initial response including a refusal to apologize and the fact that he was only one of two white men on stage since he was sharing said stage with a Cuban (Dave Lombardo) and a Mexican (Robert Trujilo) while performing at a benefit for charity. To believe Anselmo's initial explanation at face value would mean accepting that he was joking when jokes require context. There was no buildup to this, “joke.” He wasn't poking fun at cyber bullies on Twitter flying off the handle at perceived slights when there was no harm intended by saying the most odious thing that could come out of his mouth. There were no jimmies in need of rustling that night. He was simply shouting, “White power” because he could.

Accepting that he was talking about the alleged, “power” of white wine instead of the much simpler explanation that Donald Trump's Presidential campaign has radicalized a lot of Americans and brought out their worst behavior to the point where it's become far more socially acceptable in 2016 America to hate people who don't look like you than it was at any point in my lifetime requires a good amount of mental gymnastics just to keep idolizing everything that Anselmo does to the point of believing bald-faced lies. He was most likely angry about the composition of his bandmates and drunk enough to express it and making excuses after the fact to avoid actually apologizing to them.

I'll confess that I did once meet Phil Anselmo and he was cool enough to sign my Pantera albums despite having a nasty sinus cold that I caught from him that night. I'm forever going to ask myself if he was cool enough to complement my Immortal shirt despite the fact that I'm pretty obviously Hispanic because he was making an effort to improve his reputation from the 90s and actually changed his views or if he was just scared of pissing off the press.

Defending Phil's actions is also supporting a man with a history of substance abuse falling of the wagon when he's nearly died from an OD before. As somebody who lost his hard-drinking father to a heart attack in middle age and also once dated an alcoholic, I cannot and will not condone somebody suffering from serious addiction issues suffering from a relapse. Shouting out, “White Power” while making the Roman solute aren't the actions of a sound mind. Anyone who thinks Anselmo's behavior is, “funny” is somebody with clear issues with basic human empathy and the maturity of a twelve-year-old who ultimately doesn't grasp the human toll of substance abuse. There is nothing, “funny” about somebody destroying both his health and reputation alike.

Much like how everyone in the metal scene nowadays recognizes that Dave Mustaine is a raging homophobe and the late Don Decker was a rather vile sexist, it's time to admit that Phil Anselmo is a racist, that he isn't perfect and to stop putting him on a fucking pedestal. The end result of this isn't me throwing out my Pantera albums or calling for a complete boycott of Down. I'm just going to be more hesitant to financially support Down going forward. With so many other albums to purchase on my backlog, I'm going to think twice about whether I really want to buy new Down material just as I'm going to be less likely to support Down on tour if there are other bands in town who are known for expressing more inclusive views like Napalm Death, Fear Factory and Bolt Thrower. Anselmo may be a legend but he's also a flawed human being like the rest of us, albeit one who has trouble bringing himself to admit his mistakes. A real man is able to own up to his mistakes the first time he's called out on them but Phil's flagrant and intentional lack of self-awareness reminiscent of a small child makes it hard to justify shilling for him any longer.

I'll accept his apology since he's gone on the record of disowning some of his past statements – unlike Dave Mustaine - as well as his previous use of the Confederate battle flag – unlike Ted Nugent - nor has he endorsed Donald Trump - unlike Five Finger Death Punch – so I doubt that he's anywhere near as much of a committed and radicalized bigot as they are and he did seem like was genuinely remorseful in the video but I will not apologize on his behalf, I will not excuse his remarks and I will not pretend like his statements weren't anything but an atrocious and inexcusable attack on his fellow musicians who helped bring Dimebash 2016 to life. Hell, I publicly said my fair share of regrettable things myself during a rather nasty quarter life crisis that I'm still trying to atone for since I'm not perfect and I never said I was but respect is earned and it'll take more than an apology and a few photo ops with Vernon Reid for me to regain any of the respect I had for Phil Anselmo.

Edit: Mistakenly referred to Dave Grohl as having Persian ancestry when he didn't. Metalunderground.com regrets the error.

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1. Dretch writes:

"Donald Trump's Presidential campaign has radicalized a lot of Americans and brought out their worst behavior to the point where it's become far more socially acceptable in 2016 America to hate people who don't look like you "

Ignorant fool. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with "hating" people who don't look like you. If you knew anything about Islam you would understand that importing the most fascist ideology on the planet into America that is incompatible with Western values you would support Trump as well.

If you knew a iota of what is going on in Europe with there foolish importation you would again understand why knowledgeable individuals don't want the Islamic death cult.

You liberal fools are putting us all in danger.

# Jan 31, 2016 @ 1:34 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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2. M4dswine writes:

And if you knew anything about what was going on in Europe right now you would know how much a crock of sh** what you wrote is.

As a side note, hearing that FFDP has kind of cemented my opinion of them - I've been a bit on the fence but I can't support bands who support such batsh** racist wankers as Trump.

# Jan 31, 2016 @ 3:22 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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3. Cattlebruiser writes:

This article seems quite subjective and I feel it doesn't belong here, please leave this to Metalsucks and the other sites constantly trying to bias readers.

Anyhow, I think you are missing the point here: Phil is not really a racist. You do not have to explain the dangers and issues of a racist society here, as it is pointless to the topic. Phil did this for quite some time now and by his own standards, he is trying to rebel against black people being able to show "black pride" while white people are instantly called racists for showing the least bit of "white pride".

Now, whether screaming "white power" and throwing an imperial/nazi wave on stage is the correct way to promote his views is questionable, the fact is that this incident is too generalised and he is being accused of having views and opinions that do not seem to be true.

I even distance myself from his actual views, but I find it scary that so many people weigh in on this without remotely knowing what is actually going on.

# Jan 31, 2016 @ 5:16 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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4. Dretch writes:

Really? There are over 750 "no go zones" in France in which non-Muslims aren't allowed and cops are afraid to go. There are no go zones all over Europe. Sweden has become the rape capital of Europe do to Islamic infiltration and Norway is #2. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

# Jan 31, 2016 @ 7:57 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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5. Diamond Oz writes:

Believe what you want to believe about Trump and America but keep your views about Europe to yourself, especially when they're that wrong.

# Jan 31, 2016 @ 10:28 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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6. Dretch writes:

Diamond I'm sorry that you have no idea what's going on in your country.
As someone who cares about the entire planet I will comment anywhere and everywhere.
The Islamization of Britain in 2015
Sex Crimes, Jihadimania and "Protection Tax"
"Hospitals across Britain are dealing with at least 15 new cases of female genital mutilation (FGM) every day. Although FGM has been illegal in Britain since 1984, there has not been a single conviction.

At least 1,400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013 in the town of Rotherham, mostly by Muslim gangs, but police and municipal officials failed to tackle the problem because they feared being branded "racist" or "Islamophobic."

Reverend Giles Goddard, vicar of St John's in Waterloo, central London, allowed a full Muslim prayer service to be held in his church. He also asked his congregation to praise "the God that we love, Allah."

There has been a 60% increase in child sexual abuse reported to the police over the past four years, according to official figures.

British intelligence are monitoring more than 3,000 homegrown Islamist extremists willing to carry out attacks in Britain.

A Muslim worker at a nuclear power plant in West Kilbride, Scotland, was removed from the premises after he was caught studying bomb-making materials while on the job.

"We try to avoid describing anyone as a terrorist or an act as being terrorist." – Tarik Kafala, the head of BBC Arabic."
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7151/britain-islamization

# Jan 31, 2016 @ 3:42 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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7. Chis-Wahh writes:

This article is bullsh**!
By defending Phil's remarks does not mean you support his beliefs, it means you defend his right to free speech. The First Amendment exist to protect speech you don't like. Anybody with the basic knowledge of the Constitution knows that.
And what the f*** does his substance abuse issues have to do with anything. Absoluty nothing!
Another website taking over by SJWs.

# Jan 31, 2016 @ 11:05 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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8. xFiruath writes:

I got a good laugh out of the notion that Metalunderground has been" taken over by SJWS." As someone who probably fits the description of an SJW, I can say without hesitation that a significant portion of our regular commenters lean more conservative than liberal (and just take a look at the comments on these stories about Phil to see where people stand...). We also have contributors who are either conservative and/or Christian.

While I don't agree with everything in this op/ed, I definitely don't get people defending Phil's actions. The arguments just don't add up. The notion that criticizing Phil is somehow taking his freedom of speech away is obvious nonsense. Phil is free to throw Nazi salutes and scream "white power!" all he wants at absolutely any time he wants - and everyone else is free to call him racist for doing so. No one's free speech has been even remotely infringed.

I'm really not getting the argument I've been seeing all over our Facebook page that somehow Phil should get a free pass for his "white power" outburst because of some double standard with the existence of the phrase "black power." Am I just completely missing something here? Who precisely is this black front man of a metal band throwing Nazi salutes and screaming "black power" at the end of shows? If anyone can point me to a YouTube video of this occurring, I will happily post a news story about it just like we did with Phil Anselmo, but frankly I don't think this is a thing that exists.

# Jan 31, 2016 @ 11:44 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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9. enough is enough writes:

The age of poo pooing people from the lens of our interconnectedness make it extremely hard to f*** up once awhile. Yes, what phil anselmo said was racially atrocious. He was also drunk, and trying to rev up the fan base, and it backfired. I don't know if he's a racist or not, but I wouldn't want to be judged by my worst day. I'm not saying give him a past on his bigotry transgressions, but he apologized, and it's time to move on. What more do you want from him? Does he have to kiss reverend al sharpton, jessie jackson, and allow Bill Cosby to rape him before we say, OK, all better now? Geez, maybe Phil should pen a letter to the academy to be more inclusive, and then his debt to his racial faux pax can be forgiven.

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# Feb 1, 2016 @ 12:01 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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10. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

xFiruath, the people who get bent out of shape about the double standard aren't complaining about the few prominent black or racially mixed metal musicians saying "black power" at metal shows.....its about the fact that famous black rappers can make blatantly racist and bigoted remarks about whites and other non-black demographics and its ignored or excused but if some white heavy metal lead singer gets drunk and says something extreme onstage at least half the metal world and the general public is ready to crucify him for it.....

I said in a post on another thread that all this faux outrage is tiresome when other bands like slayer and motorhead(and marduk, emperor and marilyn manson to a lesser extent) have been using nazi-esque imagery for decades without causing anywhere near as big of an inter webs sh**storm....I was 8 years old when slayer's angel of death song came out on the reign in blood album and the outrage over this phil incident seems to eclipse that controversy by miles....oh and for the record I'm a huge slayer and motorhead fan.....it seems like lots of metal fan sites and discussion boards on the web are more interested in pouring gasoline on the flames then trying to have a serious discussion about the issues at hand....oh and congrats on publishing your book

# Feb 1, 2016 @ 12:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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11. Dasher10 writes:

For as much as I dislike commenting on my own articles, Slayer, Manson and Motorhead were being ironic when using fascist imagery. Phil was being serious. And he wasn't just saying it with a straight face, he was saying it with a straight face when NOBODY was provoking of bullying him. People have a right to be upset since Phil was being an a$$hole for the sake of being an a$$hole.

# Feb 1, 2016 @ 1:27 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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12. Jennifer Gilbert writes:

Thank you for this article! Yes, Phil can say what he wants, but so can intelligent people like you.

# Feb 1, 2016 @ 3:47 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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13. MetalHed08 writes:

Ok, I'm confused. This has nothing to do with Anselmo... Pretty sure Dave Grohl isn't Iranian. I just spent quite a bit of time trying to find any indication that he is online. Where the f*** did the author get that information?

# Feb 1, 2016 @ 10:32 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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14. tedfromoutoftown writes:

nobody should be putting somebody on blast without talking to them first about their gripe especially man to man and especially being a celebrity running to the press, social media or in this case satellite radio and airing out dirty laundry either, WOTF outside jose mangin at liquid metal gave the OK to give rob flynn air time to make a public address announcement on the topic of racism?, especially , again after not confronting the messanger first.
Rob flynn just made a bad situation even worse, for himself and for his band simply because he wasnt man enough to handle business 1 on 1 and privately.
What anselmo did was wrong, he did apologize for it, many say it wasnt sincere but if people think that, thats their problem.
And idk about anyone else, but as a fan of someone the last thing i want to hear is their view on politics, its a major turn off, even if you do happen to agree with what they are trying to say.
rob flynn, right message with the worst approach

# Feb 1, 2016 @ 11:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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15. xFiruath writes:

Thanks Oldthrasherinflorida - I was beginning to think only BlindGreed noticed :)

# Feb 1, 2016 @ 12:18 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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16. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Dasher10, do you really think jeff hanneman was being hipster level ironic when he put the ss runes and the totenkopf skull on his guitar in the 1980"s.....or what about emperor posing in front of nazi battle flags or marduk songs like panzer division marduk?

Lets just all be honest and admit that metal music is about scary, evil subjects and stirring up controversy and enraging polite society.....singing songs about WWII and using eye catching, brutal/scary looking nazi era imagery has been going on in metal and hardcore punk for decades....agnostic front's classic victim in pain album features an extremely graphic black and white photo of someone, probably jewish about to be executed by a german soldier at point blank range next to an execution pit full of naked dead bodies in Babi Yar, Ukraine.....no one says anything about that.....

Phil looks like he is probably having some personal problems at this time and now he has the vultures circling.....look for lawsuits for harassment from bands that used to tour with Pantera, Down, or Superjoint Ritual in the near future....

# Feb 2, 2016 @ 12:25 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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17. Noone writes:

Thing is, Im kind of torn between 2 on this one. While I don't agree with Anselmo's statement, I dont agree with the apology either. Granted, he was drunk while saying the words. Who hasn't later regreted saying things while under tge influence? However, apologizing for a statement on the count of public cries is weak and a betrayal of your convictions. This is a case of Anselmo making a distasteful joke while over-estimating the public capability to recognize it.
Furthermore, Racism is portrayed in everyday life under the petense of being a TV/Award show, a comedy special or the latest hip-hop song. The whole 'woe is me - Im Black' is out of date and over-used. 'White Privilege' may still be present, but is no longer reality for majority of North America. Hell, white is now the (statistical) visible minority.

I feel nothing but love for my brothers in the black community, but the perpetuation of the the racist ideology only perpetuates racism itself. (This includes Anselmo's distasteful comments.)

# Feb 2, 2016 @ 12:33 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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18. Dasher10 writes:

With Hannemann? He was absolutely being ironic. Look at who half his bandmates were.

I haven't seen the Emperor photos and this is the first that I've heard of it but they sadly probably weren't being ironic considering Faust's violent homophobia and Samoth's friendship with Varg Vikernes which is why I know people who are really uncomfortable with their music and even though I personally like them, I don't judge anyone who doesn't want to hear what they put out.

With Marduk, I'm pretty certain it isn't ironic considering that Morgan has gone on record of saying that he doesn't want immigrants from pretty much anywhere coming to Sweden. That's why I haven't been into Marduk for the last 2-3 years since their politics are ultimately too extreme for me to want to shell out money to see them play.

And I never said that Emperor and Marduk were being ironic. I said Slayer, Manson and Motorhead. You're putting words in my mouth here.

And as for what'll happen to Phil, I don't think that he's going to get sued but I think that bands are going to no longer want to tour with Down and they'll have a hard time getting a label deal in the same way that I haven't heard of much happening with Inquisition.

# Feb 2, 2016 @ 1:07 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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19. Oldtrhasherinflorida writes:

Motorhead is a tough one to tell....yeah lemmy's last girlfriend and a few others were black but the guy owned literal crap tons of nazi flags, daggers, swords, medals, helmets etc, As mentioned previously I am a huge motorhead and slayer fan so I simply enjoy their music for what it is and don't get bent out of shape over any of the members weird hobbies or political views ....I also don't think taking an anti-immigration stance necessarily makes one an actual real nazi....I'm pretty sure the guy from Marduk didn't seriously avdvocate machine gunning or gassing all the immigrants in sweden, just humanely returning them to their home countries....

Mexico has pretty tough policies on illegal immigration into their countries...does that make the modern day mexican government the equivalent of the third reich?....Curious about your thoughts on the agnostic front album cover I mentioned(came out in 1985) some old Carnivore songs like Jesus Hitler and race war, as well as the SOD classics speak english or die and f*** the middle east....my whole point is that this sort of thing has been going on in metal forever but the internet magnifies and turns it into something much bigger than it really needs to be....

# Feb 2, 2016 @ 1:31 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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20. Dasher10 writes:

Okay... but Peter Steele still played with a Jewish keyboardist in Type O and Carnivore's lyrics and stage shows were never, ever meant to be taken seriously which was quite clear since much of both Carnivore and Type O was tongue in cheek. And yeah, he did make some homophobic comments back after appearing in Playgirl and finding out that most of their readers were male but he eventually apologized and really worked hard to make amends.

I know that Agnostic Front had some racist lyrics but... they're Hispanic! Again, probably in the, "not serious or at least not serious enough to care" category.

And SOD was satirical and making fun of Ronald Reagan and his fans.

I doubt that any of them hold (or held in the case of Peter Steele) serious, committed fascist beliefs.

As for what makes Marduk different, it's that Morgan wants to get rid of people who worked hard to gain Swedish citizenship and the Sweden Democrats have become a mainstream party with the same position on immigration. I have roughly the same opinion of Five Finger Death Punch endorsing Donald Trump. Fascism may have been cool and alluring in the 90s and 2000s but in the 2010s it's made a comeback and has the capability to really f*** the world in the ass.

# Feb 2, 2016 @ 4:11 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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21. Drum_Junkie writes:

It seems to me that post #9 is the most rational post on here.

Random thoughts:
Collecting Nazi memorabilia (ala Hanneman and Lemmy) should not be equated with supporting those beliefs. So throwing Motorhead or Slayer in this mix is disingenuous.

Defending one person's racist actions while demonizing another's is inconsistent at best. Know one can claim to know what was going through Phil's head when he got stupid. He||, as drunk as he appeared, who knows if HE even knew what was going through his head. I'm not making an excuse for or defending his behavior. It was wrong unequivocally. However, he has since apologized, (while sober) for something he did while intoxicated. It's time to move on.

Racist actions shouldn't be tolerated, so the focus should be on the actions, not for us to make judgments about Phil's character. God forbid that any of us have our character called into question based on some of our own poor choices caught on video. If racism is bad because it divides and denigrates people, then why don't we do the opposite and promote inclusiveness and uplift people.

# Feb 2, 2016 @ 9:49 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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22. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Dasher, thanx for taking the time to respond to all my points....I'm not trying to start witch hunts against all the bands mentioned for previous lyrics and album art, my point is that heavy metal has been using nazi imagery to generate controversy and media attention for decades.....when satan lyrics and album covers stopped freaking out parents, clergy and teachers swastikas and ss runes and song lyrics about death camps, medical atrocities and panzer tanks did the trick....

Also for what its worth my late grandfather on my dad's side fought in Stalingrad in the russian army during WWII....He left me a collection of nazi war medals that he got the hard way....I meant to give one to Lemmy on the last Motorhead tour but forgot it as I ran out of the house to get in the car and drive to orlando...

As far as i'm concerned Phil said something foolish on stage while drunk out of his mind, apologized and everyone should just move on with life, but all these nobody bands are trying to get their name in the press by slagging off on him....These same people throwing the book at phil for his mistake should also get their undies in a bundle over stuff like angel of death, the sieg heil at the beginning of motor heads iron fist , panzer division marduk, SOD songs like Speak English or Die and a host of others....after you respond I'll tell you guys a really funny phil story from when I saw Down in 2012....

# Feb 3, 2016 @ 12:31 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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23. Dasher10 writes:

I think I also posted an article on just what you talked about and how I feel like Cannibal Corpse, Strapping Young Lad and Pig Destroyer explored misogyny but with a high enough level of self awareness that I could tell that they weren't serious but I draw the line at bands like Waco Jesus, Meat sh**s and Anal Blast who I can tell are absolutely serious about hating women.

I love the sh** out of shock value so I have very little tolerance for political correctness. I could care less if people are offended by anything from gore to a lack of diversity. I draw the line at whether or not I'm supporting a cause I consider to be unconscionable and whether or not the artist still holds those views. Hence why even though I like then music, I can't support a band like Graveland or Naer Materon since my financial support would be too closely tied to funding extremist causes.

# Feb 3, 2016 @ 5:05 AM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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24. Oldthrasherinflorida writes:

Wow I must really be getting old because other than cannibal corpse I don't think i've really listened to any of the bands you mentioned....i've heard of strapping young lad and pig destroyer but the other three I don't know at all...

.Here's the phil story....I went with a friend of mine to see Down back in 2012 and after one song Phil asked "How many jews we got here tonight"....I had enjoyed a few cold ones so I started hooting and hollering like the proud hebrew hell raiser i am and a bunch of other jewish guys and girls in attendance did likewise Phil then blurts out "This next song is dedicated to y'all, because you guys were the first to trip on mescaline thousands of years ago....This is pillars of eternity" and then the band started and it was awesome....This is why I highly doubt phil is about to be the next fuhrer.....I feel bad that the big down show in the netherlands got canceled because of this whole internet controversy.....Mr. Anselmo is always welcome for a bagel at my house....

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25. Blindgreed1 writes:

They're Black Metal OTIF.

# Feb 5, 2016 @ 4:28 PM ET | IP Logged Reveal posts originating from the same IP address
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26. zzzzzzzz writes:

i dont care if phil is racist or not. i wish i could tell rob flynn how much i hated the n***** era of machine head

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27. Rex_84 writes:

Oldthrasherinflorida writes:
Dasher, thanx for taking the time to respond to all my points....I'm not trying to start witch hunts against all the bands mentioned for previous lyrics and album art, my point is that heavy metal has been using nazi imagery to generate controversy and media attention for decades.....when satan lyrics and album covers stopped freaking out parents, clergy and teachers swastikas and ss runes and song lyrics about death camps, medical atrocities and panzer tanks did the trick...."

Florida, Slayer wasn't really trying to shock people with Nazi-based topics. They just find World War II stories interesting, and there are a whole bunch of interesting stories involving the Nazis. Just read up on their technologies, including a possible space craft. Also, the fact that the U.S. government employed Nazi doctors as part of Operation Paperclip, who in turn created NASA is pretty damn interesting.

I transcribed oral histories of Korean War P.O.W.s for a college prof's book. Those were some tear-jerking stories. I could write a harrowing album from their tragic-yet-hopeful lives. War stories are interesting, no matter what side you're coming from. I don't think it has anything to do with shock value.

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