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why do people send god damn forwards

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Displaying posts 26 - 50 of 145 1 2 3 4 5 6 Last
Nov 20, 2009 11:58 AM ET #26 (permalink)

I'd have to go along with AP1 on this one. All you guys ever see is the worst of the worst and it's usually slighted to color opinions. We are a country that is always on the political radar whereas I can't remember ever hearing anything about politics in Austrailia or New Zealand. Occasionally, we'll hear something about the English Parliment, but it's usually limited to who's screwing who.

Nov 20, 2009 12:30 PM ET #27 (permalink)

Fuck, I missed all this. WTF?

Kali- Wow, blast from the past. I am not sure when you came back, but welcome back. I am personally offended in regard to your claim that I supported Obama at ANY time. I did my research during the campaign and knew from the beginning what Obama was about- terrorist/Marxist ties, in bed with the Unions, an agenda of redistruction of wealth (ie Socialism) with contempt for capitalism, a wife who had "never been proud of her country" in her life,and just an overall view that the US is "evil and unjust". He was a junior Senator from Chicago whose political career was based on community organizing for fucks sake! Red flags went off in my head like crazy once I took the time to learn about him. I would have considered voting for Billary, but for some crazy reason I think that the President should actually embrace American and not feel that he is the savior of an otherwise evil empire.

Diamond Oz- Of course you would vote for Obama dude. He is trying to turn our country into a European-Socialist type of country (ie Britain's health care and Spain's cap and trade program). The programs that he wants to implement are pissing everyone off, Dems and Repubs alike, because the majority of American citizens a) hate taxes and b) value personal freedom more than any other country in the world.

AP- Excellant points and I agree 100%. I have read your posts I think you and I are on the same page on what a Conservative REALLY stands for, compared to what the republican party has become.

BlindGreed- Good points and way to set the record straight! I think only Inferno was behind Obama.

Psythe- Clinton and Bush had their ups and down. In my opinion both were average presidents. I will never forgive Clinton for NAFTA and the way he handled the first attack on the World Trade Center and the USS Cole. I fell for the media spin of "Bush is the anti-christ" but once they started worshipping Obama and openly rooting for him in the primaries it became more than obvious that there was an agenda to get him elected and what little trust I had in the media disappeared.

Nov 20, 2009 12:43 PM ET #28 (permalink)

Yes, I've been behind Obama but what you'll see is that a lot of Canadians have been. Maybe it's because on some level we are a socialist country and the policies he's trying to implement lean somewhat more toward socialism, who knows. It seems the people that hate him primarily are Americans. It could have something to do with social paradigms as a result. What you'll find is that a lot of people in Canada and it appears even the English (to which we still have significant ties to) like him a lot because his policies seem to reflect our values more-so than the other American candidates who were campaigning.

Nov 20, 2009 12:44 PM ET #29 (permalink)

Not a whole lot of time to really read, and reply to everyone, but I will say that I do recall around a 98.9% Obama club if you will during the elections.

IF I have time, and energy tonight I will reply, but at some point this weekend I will get around to everyone's reply. I have to get to work, and get a crap load of stuff done tonight.

Nov 20, 2009 1:13 PM ET #30 (permalink)

Kali- Provide ONE comment from me supporting Presidential candidate Barack Obama. I triple dog dare you! :)

Inferno- You are correct. The people of the US expect him to uphold the United States Constitution and to look out for US citiizens first and foremost. Everything else is secondary.

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Nov 20, 2009 1:25 PM ET #31 (permalink)

Well, socialism is about the welfare of citizens within a specific nation so I don't see how it doesn't look out for them. However, we could argue that it is not American.

Nov 20, 2009 1:37 PM ET #32 (permalink)

Other than taxes, I can't see why you'd hate the health care system so much. No-one likes paying taxes, but those taxes would be less than you'd pay for medical bills, so I'm sure in the long run you'd be saving money as well. I really don't see how implementing a health care and trade system has an effect on anyone's personal freedoms. Being a socialist country doesn't mean it's going to turn Communist or anything like that, it doesn't mean that the U.S. will have a CCTV camera for every street like the U.K. does and it doesn't mean that the United States will turn into a politically correct, mouth shut with red tape nation like us either.

Hopefully that doesn't sound too agressive and maybe I should stay out of it since I live across the Atlantic but from where we're sitting, you guys will be alright.

Nov 20, 2009 1:38 PM ET #33 (permalink)

IN: I guess you'd do better to ask someone who's actually lived in a real socialist country. I've spoken to a few and the quality of life sucks.

Kali- Provide ONE comment from me supporting Presidential candidate Barack Obama. I triple dog dare you! :)... I'm endorsing this challenge.

Nov 20, 2009 1:42 PM ET #34 (permalink)

Sorry AP, didn't see your last post. I'll keep my mouth shut about it from now on but for the record, you lot are all free to say what you like about our Prime Ministers, Members of Parliament and Monarchy, I've never known the English or Australians to give much of a fuck.

Nov 20, 2009 1:51 PM ET #35 (permalink)

Blind: have you ever lived in a socialist or even partly socialist country?

Nov 20, 2009 1:59 PM ET #36 (permalink)

IN: I have not, but I work with a few people who have and heard their horror stories. I've also heard from people who've traveled socialist countries and spent an extensive ammount of time there. I enjoy having hot water when I choose to bathe (as opposed to only having hot water for several hours a week) and i'm really fond of toilet paper too. To put it in a nutshell, it's a crappy place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.

Nov 20, 2009 2:51 PM ET #37 (permalink)

I've been a staunch Obama supporter. Government is essential to an organized, moral and successful nation. I don't see the point in having a government if it isn't going to provide services for its constituents. Taxes are essential, and effective to providing services to citizens. I don't see how providing healthcare as a service to people, paid for by taxes, impedes on others' freedom. The only issues I've disagreed with Obama on are the Afghan war, and Guantanamo Bay. In reference to the Afghan war, I disagree with his indecisiveness. I don't think it was bright to close Guantanamo before knowing where the PoWs were going to be placed.

Nov 20, 2009 3:06 PM ET #38 (permalink)

Read the Constitution folks. Govt is not entitled to provide a damn thing for us. The purpose of the Constitution is to limit govt intervention in every aspect of our daily lives. This is a govt by the people, for the people. Not the other way around. We as a nation are getting to the point where we are getting taxed for choices we make in life. Almost for the govt to say, "I told you so". The dumbmasses of this country feel they are entitled to free health care, cars, homes, and educations. You know, the trivial things in life. The entitlist attitude of people make it possible for govt to wrench their claws around the hope and struggle of the American dream. All the talk of success is fine and dandy until they start taxing the living shit out of you in order to pay your fair share. Too many people poo-poo on the rich by saying, "Well they're rich, they're not going to miss it". The question I have is, what if it were you? A little something to think about.

Nov 20, 2009 3:09 PM ET #39 (permalink)

DIE: The only problem is right now the US is unorganized, immoral and going broke.

Nov 20, 2009 3:17 PM ET #40 (permalink)

DeathInEye- The Federal government has one responsibility and one responsibility only: protect the citizens of these great nation from a foreign attack. It can't even get that right! Like Patriot said, our Constitution is meant to LIMIT the federal government. That has been and always be the key to the success of the United States: we are unique in the aspect that we are the only country founded on a document that does not think all-reaching, intrusive government is the answer.

Nov 20, 2009 3:28 PM ET #41 (permalink)

Blindgreed said DIE: The only problem is right now the US is unorganized, immoral and going broke.

So true, BG, so true!

For all you that support these entitlement programs, look no further than my home state to see the end result. California alone has the 10th largest economy in the world and it $26 BILLION dollars in debt. If you want to see what decades of liberal policy will do, c'mon on over to the Left Coast. It will scare the shit out of you.

Nov 20, 2009 3:46 PM ET #42 (permalink)

AP- This is a government by the people, for the people. Exactly. We pay the taxes that provide services to people.

BG- I see no evidence of an immoral government. We're broke because of Bush, which wasn't created in his first year, and can't be reversed in Obama's first year. I'll give you slightly disorganized as I hinted at that in my previous post.

Bruno- Our country couldn't have possibly been organized around preventing 'foreign attacks' because the natives and the French were the only 'foreigners' around, and they supported our revolution. We revolted against Britain because we felt under-represented in decisions that affected us.

Now if you want to argue about the under-representation of the average-American in policies, that's a different topic.

Nov 20, 2009 4:07 PM ET #43 (permalink)

Oh DIE, you seriously don't see ANYTHING immoral going on in our government? As far as being broke is concerned, a lot of people do blame Bush but any economist can explain to you that our crisis started with Clinton's housing project. Lending money to people who can't afford a mortgage payment has caught up to us. Another thing an economist will tell you is that it takes about eight years for past mistakes to catch up with us (depending on the severity of the fuck up).

Nov 20, 2009 4:11 PM ET #44 (permalink)

Hi guys, not going to inflame the situation but have something to say.

I'm getting a feeling of "If you're not American, you can't truly weigh in on American politics", which is just not true. The US is the most powerful nation on earth, and every time it launches a war, messes up it's economy, changes it's laws, or swats a fly it has major ramifications for real human beings living in other parts of the world.

And for people of a nation that invaded Iraq, Vietnam, Afganistan etc. to warn others against having opinions of their own politics would be hypocritical. The auto--defense-comeback for that is to assume I'm saying "stop starting wars" and then point out that smaller nations rely on America for just protection - I'm just saying with great power comes great responsibility. Because we're all in it together (right?).

Nov 20, 2009 4:19 PM ET #45 (permalink)

No, not as a direct result of an Obama policy. I see possible under-representation of the average-American, but this then depends on your definition of what would be proper representation, and who is the average-American. This can be construed as immoral, but again, I don't think it's purely an Obama hang-up.

Nov 20, 2009 5:08 PM ET #46 (permalink)

Holy shit, looks like I missed something.
Nothing beats good old political discussions on MU...wait. :/

I don't really want to get too involved in this, but just thought I'd throw in that I voted for Obama and still stand by it. I'm with Psythe, Oz, Inferno and DIE on this one.

I wouldn't have even said anything, but I don't like getting "I told you so" when I still think my choice was the right one.

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Nov 20, 2009 5:38 PM ET #47 (permalink)

If you have not lived in a socialist country then, Blindgreed, I see a flaw in your argument. On one hand you feel that opinions of American politics should be limited to Americans yet you feel entitled to have opinions of socialist countries when you've not set foot in one. I've heard plenty about America constantly due to living so near the border so how do the "horror stories" of socialist countries that you've heard hold any more water?

Nov 20, 2009 5:48 PM ET #48 (permalink)

"All you guys ever see is the worst of the worst and it's usually slighted to color opinions." - This, in regards to foreigners commenting on American politics, is true to a point. Our media does have an agenda in what they choose to show us, our Governments probably have an agenda in what they allow our media to show us, and we certainly don't get shown all the stories, or the whole of any story. So I agree with you (and AP1 who made the point first, I think) in as far as that goes. However, in the big picture, I agree with Cynic - the globalisation of economies and media and business and politics and, well, everything means that a nation as large and powerful as the USofA is going to have its internal affairs flow over into international consideration. There's just nothing that can be done about that, and at this juncture in the history of man, what America does - even down to who it elects as their president - effects every single country in the world.

Nov 20, 2009 6:03 PM ET #49 (permalink)

Thank you Psythe. I never said you can't weigh in on it either, I just said that your information is slighted and somewhat biased making your input often colored and somewhat out of touch.

IN: A flaw in my argument? You are confused. I wasn't making an argument. I'm stating what I believe to be true from the mouths those who have been there, done it, and hated it. Besides... Arguments are to be avoided, they are vulgar and usually very convincing.

Nov 20, 2009 7:02 PM ET #50 (permalink)

That's simply regurgitation. In that case I can say that I'm stating what I believe to be true from mouths of those who have been there, done it, and hated it. It's not your own belief of a place - it's you repeating your analysis of a story which, for all you know, could comprise of so much bull.

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