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What America's War on Terror Does to Iraqi Children

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Displaying posts 26 - 45 of 45 1 2 Last
Oct 20, 2009 11:46 PM ET #26 (permalink)

OK, I'm ex-military, proud of the founding fathers, a bit dismayed at my history since WW2, yaddayaddayadda...

I wouldn't waste a single American soldier for Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, or any other of these countries that I didn't know existed before seeing them on the TV in the 80's. People think it's about "democracy" but I know for a fact that some of these people aren't capable of democracy. Democracy assumes you are self-governable. These people probably aren't. They seem to behave better under a tyrant than they do under a president and an occupation. Let's just get out. Let them determine their own fate. Even the US had internal scores to settle at the expense of much bloodshed at an early stage. There's nothing wrong with civil war.

Bring all Americans back to America. This means from Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Germany, UK, Iceland, Guam, etc. "Before pointing out the speck in your brother's eye, first remove the beam from your own eye." We've got several beams in our own eyes that we need to solve before telling everyone else how they should behave.

Back to METAL....

Oct 21, 2009 6:26 AM ET #27 (permalink)

Largely agree with the first part, but as far as the second, Korea, the UK, and Germany want us there. We stabilize the region, and we are a huge asset to them financially. Iceland pretty much told us to leave because our lease was up, and Guam, well, Guam is an American territory, sooooo, it's kinda ours.

By the way, thanks again for your service to our country.

Oct 21, 2009 7:57 AM ET #28 (permalink)

Hey, you're welcome. But the truth is it was the only job I could find at the time.

Oct 21, 2009 11:15 AM ET #29 (permalink)

What did I miss? Lol.

For the record; i'm with AP1 (and the rest of the patriots) on this one. It's just too easy for the rest of the world to blame the big bad US of A for everything wrong with the world.

Oct 21, 2009 11:58 AM ET #30 (permalink)

^^^^^Hell, even our current President blames America for the world's problems, LOL!

Oct 21, 2009 1:20 PM ET #31 (permalink)

we are still a pretty big factor with our whole 'international police' stance on things....and our hatred/phobia of socialism....

Oct 21, 2009 1:35 PM ET #32 (permalink)

Don't forget the tens of millions of dollars in foreign aid that we send overseas is another factor as well. and of course most Americans hate socialism, it is a direct threat to our way of life. Liberty and socialism cannot exist at the same time- it is one or the other.

Oct 21, 2009 2:15 PM ET #33 (permalink)

I totally agree with you Psythe on this part: "The best way for us to fight them would be to heavily invest in the education of the civilian population, and to establish a democratic government and a strong national military presence with foreign aid to combat insurgents. We gotta make it the PEOPLE'S fight against the Taliban, with our help, rather than our fight against them, with the people caught in the crossfire."

But on the topic of the video, in many ways it is the exactly like watching the towers fall on 9/11. The result is horror at the unjust death and suffering, but how you internalize it and who you point the finger at comes mostly from yourself (your own predispositions) and unfortunately the media.

I probably come across like I don't care about so many things, but really I've learned that things are just not simple enough to "pick a side" on - they are almost always 100x more complex than the media makes them out to be. That is the nature of politics and life. I find usually the people believing so firmly in one stance either have discounted the other side's arguments or don't care to hear them in the first place.

Oct 21, 2009 2:20 PM ET #34 (permalink)

Actually, MY choice is to not believe everything I read, and take the media stories on the tele with a boulder of salt regardless of whos "side" the peice is geared for. There's a lot to be said for seeing both sides of the fence before jumping onto either.

Oct 21, 2009 8:50 PM ET #35 (permalink)

My only sentiment I offer on this isn't my own:

"...there was Aristotle
being right, we are political, we are animal,
we are lost." Bob Hicok from his poem "Weebles wobble but they don't fall down"

Oct 21, 2009 9:00 PM ET #36 (permalink)

Just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply that people can't make an intelligent decision for themselves. But as a generalization, most don't and rely too much on media, etc. to help them make those decisions. Most people are sheep, as i'm sure Branded will back me up on this point.

Oct 23, 2009 6:05 PM ET #37 (permalink)

DB: Did you just call me stupid? lol.

Oct 23, 2009 7:19 PM ET #38 (permalink)

He did. Heard it with my own ears...somebody get this hostile bastard banned, asap.

Oct 24, 2009 7:29 PM ET #39 (permalink)

Okay, before I add input: psythe, every time I see your avatar I can't help but get that song in my head "What-what? In the butt"

Inferno: You should know by now that MU is probably the worst place to post political views. On the video, I've seen all things gory and violent. While I'm remorseful about the civilian deaths anywhere, we have to accept that sadly, death happens, and that sometimes it isn't fair. And unless you want to fly over there with your own personal arsenal, nothing will get done.

I second everything that americanpatriot1 and psythe said for the most part. However psythe, from what I see of peacekeeping missions, nothing gets done. And while I agree that going into Iraq was a good move, I must say if "We who can afford to help thus have a responsibility to do so" then why haven't we gone to North Korea or the Sudan? Hell, why didn't we go to Rwanda and prevent the genocides there? With that in mind, there is another reason we went to Iraq other than moral responsibility or other threats of terror or "WMDs"

I support the troops, but quite frankly I'd rather be supporting their safe return than their deaths that seem to go in vain. The same way I'd prefer civilians to NOT be casualties.

Which reminds me, I've actually thought about stockpiling weapons to do some "peacekeeping" missions of my own in Sudan.

Oct 28, 2009 1:22 PM ET #40 (permalink)

You know... I could swear that one of Obama's campaign promises was to stop this war? How is it that it seems to be escalating? Could it be that our great leader is full of shit? *ponders the possibilities*

Oct 28, 2009 10:44 PM ET #41 (permalink)

He never said "Stop the war" He said that he would withdraw from Iraq. he did that, but now he's redeploying to Afghanistan. Clever choice of words so he can get the vote but still do what he wants.

(granted, I havent paid attention to politics in a while, so excuse me if I'm behind on current statements made in politics lol)

Oct 29, 2009 10:52 AM ET #42 (permalink)

FAN: Hmmm, You may be right but the end result is still the same. We've also added Pakistan to the list of countries we're occupying as well so you say tomato... I say bullshit. *continues to ponder*

Oct 29, 2009 10:54 AM ET #43 (permalink)

It's funny you added Pakistan to the list of countries you're occupying 'cause Pakistan added Britain to their list of countries they're gonna occu- ... I'll just stop right here.

Oct 29, 2009 2:47 PM ET #44 (permalink)

Oz: Lolz.

Nov 9, 2009 5:25 AM ET #45 (permalink)

You should be more concerned with the violence on your own border.
Might be strange coming from me but if America legalized and unionized drug production (like alcohol and smokes) it would stamp out the cartels and your tax money would be able to fund important things, like education on healthcare.
Every year there is more and more violence becasue of America's drug demand, which means More cartels will form and more people will die.

And I see human rights advocates are complaining that drones that America uses in the war violate "human rights" and people wonder why you are losing over there. If the West had the stones and the stomach like the enemy has maybe we might win.

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